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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 6:56 am

I always enjoy Guscotts ramblings for the BBC in a painful, out of touch, did he even play rugby way.
As there's been so little arguments and the forum is in such good spirits I thought this may bring back the true spirit of rugby I.e. arguing over selections. Jeremy's to kick it off:

1. Vunipola
2. George
3. Furlong
4.Ryan
5.Gilchrist
6. Wilson
7. Tipuric
8. Picamoles
9. Young
10.Farrell
11. Adams
12. Tuilagi
13. Slade
14. May
15. Hogg.

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Post by TJ on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 7:23 am

Any selection that has Farrell over Russell on last weeks showing is pure pish

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Post by BigTrevsbigmac on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 7:28 am

Looks about right to me .....surprisingly. Easy argument could be made for Sinks instead of Furlong. But there will always be close calls in these types of selections.

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Post by Poorfour on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 7:31 am

"Well," thought Jeremy, "I can't really leave the Irish out of it totally, so I had better stick in a couple of forwards. Now, whose name can I remember from the pre-match hype?"

Otherwise, it's a pretty good list. Personally, I thought Sinckler deserved the tighthead slot. He didn't get through Mako's astonishing work rate, but he was very solid against the much vaunted Irish scrum, and his link play was hugely instrumental in adding variety to England's attack.

I would have had AWJ instead of Ryan, for leading his team to their biggest ever Six Nations comeback away from home.

Other than that, it's not a bad list.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 8:04 am

There was little in his article on actually selection but he normally caveats them with the team they're playing against. I'm sure that will be back to justify why only 1 Englishman is selected when we play Italy!

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 8:06 am

Farrell not impress.you TJ?

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by LondonTiger on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 8:13 am

Evans, McInally, Francis, Toolis, AWJ, Wilson, Tipuric, Moriarty

Laidlaw, Russell, Adams, Johnson, JD2, Kinghorn, Hogg

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Post by EST on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 8:17 am

TJ wrote:Any selection that has Farrell over Russell on last weeks showing is pure pish

Farrell was brilliant in the white hot atmosphere of a proper test match - he isn't my cup of tea but there is no doubt he is a very good player.

Russell was his nonchalant, brilliant best - i think he is probably the most skillful player in the NH - but i'm not sure if you can compare Italy at home v Ireland away.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 8:31 am

That was a joke LT.

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by LondonTiger on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 8:32 am

Oh but it does.  Mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha (maniacal laugh) - hence my original response Wink

To be honest these Teams of the Week are always contentious and heavily based on subjective prejudices. I have looked at a variety of them in the last 24 hours, and while there is a common theme (quite a lot of the England team) in general the selections are all over the place. I have seen 7 different locks named for instance, 3 different SHs, 4 different TH props.

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 8:39 am

I agree there. There's the natural variation and picking favourites. Guscott is always wide of the mark for me as he seems to not really take anything in e.g. his comment at the weekend that dalybwas commanding in the air. Just no!
Then there's stephen Jones of course who I don't think I've ever seen pick a team properly but purely for the clicks.

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 8:48 am

It is impossible to compare players from different games - especially with conditions as varied as we had at the weekend.

Should be easier to compare within the same game yet I swear I saw a team with Connor Murray in it (have to try and find it now)

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by maestegmafia on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 9:52 am

Weather looks better this weekend. Windy in the uk but not minus temperatures and rain.

Should give teams more of a chance to play

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by TightHEAD on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 10:00 am

1. Vunipola
2. George
3. Sinkler
4. AWJ
5. Itoje
6. Wilson
7. Tipuric
8. Billy
9. Youngs
10.Farrell
11. Nowell
12. Tuilagi
13. Slade
14. May
15. Hogg.
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Re: Team of the Week

Post by tigertattie on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 10:23 am

How can any team not have Blair Kinghorn on the wing when he scores a hat-trick and was motm?

Three tries. No errors.
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Re: Team of the Week

Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 10:26 am

Up against May. 2 errors 1 try. All round game amazing.

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by LondonTiger on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 10:33 am

May and Kinghorn should be the wingers, though quite a few pundits went North, Kinghorn

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Post by lostinwales on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 11:07 am

LondonTiger wrote:May and Kinghorn should be the wingers, though quite a few pundits went North, Kinghorn

Saw one where they shoehorned North into the centres.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 11:51 am

Glad to see theres no dispute about the No.6 spot. Wink

Hope he keeps that level of performance up.

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 11:53 am

Interesting stats on the other thread GF. 27 tackles from memory but a fair few of them the kind of support tackles which worked brilliantly through the game. 2 turnovers apparently. I'll have to admit I didn't them on 2 viewings of the match. Wilson certainly contributed heavily and it's a good sort of a match to be involved in when fighting for a place.

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by IanBru on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 11:54 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:Glad to see theres no dispute about the No.6 spot. Wink

Hope he keeps that level of performance up.
I actually had Ryan Wilson in at 6, and assumed everyone else meant the same.... Run
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Re: Team of the Week

Post by Rugby Fan on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 12:03 pm



Here's the team from Two Cents Rugby. Mark generally doesn't bother distinguishing between tighthead/loosehead or back row/back three specializations

1. Vunipola
2. Ghiraldini
3. Evans
4. AWJ
5.Gilchrist
6. Wilson
7. Navidi
8. Picamoles
9. Young
10.Russell
11. Kinghorn
12. Tuilagi
13. Slade
14. May
15. North

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by LordDowlais on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 12:12 pm

I would have thought there might be more forwards from Wales in and around somewhere. They were apparently going up against the biggest and strongest set of forwards in the entire history of rugby, yet they were well on top of them all of the game. Very Happy

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 12:14 pm

LordDowlais wrote:I would have thought there might be more forwards from Wales in and around somewhere. They were apparently going up against the biggest and strongest set of forwards in the entire history of rugby, yet they were well on top of them all of the game. Very Happy

I had 5 Welsh forwards, thank you very much.

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 12:16 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:
Here's the team from Two Cents Rugby. Mark generally doesn't bother distinguishing between tighthead/loosehead or back row/back three specializations

Seems rather pointless calling it a team.

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Post by TightHEAD on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 12:16 pm

Kinghorn!

I could have scored two of his tries.
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Post by tigertattie on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 12:19 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Kinghorn!

I could have scored two of his tries.

I could have scored Chris Harris' try, but I'm not picked for the match day 23 Sad
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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 12:38 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I would have thought there might be more forwards from Wales in and around somewhere. They were apparently going up against the biggest and strongest set of forwards in the entire history of rugby, yet they were well on top of them all of the game. Very Happy

I had 5 Welsh forwards, thank you very much.

Not enough. Very Happy

We were up against 8 Hagrids. boxing

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Post by Mr Bounce on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 12:48 pm

I thought Bayfield was a pundit now? Very Happy
I always think these sorts of things are nothing but a bit of fun for the correspondents as they're highly subjective considering what they saw and who they rate anyway. It's especially annoying when they put someone out of position to get them in. Usually that's a Guscott trait...

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 1:58 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Interesting stats on the other thread GF. 27 tackles from memory but a fair few of them the kind of support tackles which worked brilliantly through the game. 2 turnovers apparently. I'll have to admit I didn't them on 2 viewings of the match. Wilson certainly contributed heavily and it's a good sort of a match to be involved in when fighting for a place.

Apparently after another physical exchange, in a player huddle mark can be heard saying.." You've got to be loving this!!" He loves the rough stuff. Laugh Laugh

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Post by TJ on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 2:32 pm

North at fullback instead of Hogg?  Has North ever played fullback?

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Post by Rugby Fan on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 3:05 pm

TJ wrote:North at fullback instead of Hogg?  Has North ever played fullback?
Nah. Two Cents Rugby takes a fantasy rugby approach to his team of the week selections. Makes for some oddball choices but, occasionally, he has some interesting leftfield ideas.

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Post by TJ on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 3:32 pm

So Kinghorn a fb on the wing and north a winger at FB?  weird.

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Post by demosthenes on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 7:44 pm

tigertattie wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Kinghorn!

I could have scored two of his tries.

I could have scored Chris Harris' try, but I'm not picked for the match day 23 Sad

There are a lot of people wish he wasn't in the match day 23 either!

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by LondonTiger on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 1:28 pm

So some of the different teams of the week across the internet:

https://readrugbyunion.com/2019/02/11/round-2-six-nations-team-of-the-week/

Healy, George, Lee, Lawes, Ryan, Wainwright, Steyn, Navidi, Murray, Farrell, May, Manu, Slade, Stockdale, Kearney



https://www.the42.ie/six-nations-team-week-4487421-Feb2019/

Healy, George, Furlong, Lawes, Ryan, O'Mahony, Steyn, Navidi, Youngs, Farrell, Stockdale, Manu, Slade, May, Kearney



https://www.ruck.co.uk/six-nations-2019-round-2-team-of-the-week/

Smith, Best, Lee, Ryan, Lawes, Wainwright, Steyn, Navidi, Youngs, Farrell, Stockdale, Johnson, Slade, May, Kearney



https://www.ultimaterugby.com/news/six-nations-team-of-the-week-round-two/613798

Healy, George, Lee, Lawes, Ryan, O'Mahony, Stey, Strauss, Murray, Farrell, May, Manu, Slade, Adams, Kearney



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/rugby-union/round-2-six-nations-team-of-the-week/ss-BBTqUUs#image=1

Healy, George, Lee, Lawes, Ryan, Wainwright, Steyn, Navidi, Murray, Farrell, May, Manu, Slade, Stockdale, Kearney



http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/25966646/espn-fantasy-rugby-jonny-stars-team-week-2
(Fantasy Rugby so positional issues)

Dell, McInally, Sinckler, Lawes, Grey, O'Mahony, Steyn, Navidi, Murray, Allan, May, Farrell, Penaud, Stockdale, Adams

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 2:50 pm

And Jerry's is....
Dell Dee Furlong
Lawes Gilchrist
Steyn Curry
Navidi
Murray Farrell
May Watkin Davies Stockdale
Kearney.

Apparently we were less impressive than last week hence why there's 4 Englishmen after thrashing France.

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 2:51 pm

Now I have to read that article to understand how some players make that team Sad

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Re: Team of the Week

Post by TightHEAD on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 2:52 pm

McKenna, Breach, Scarratt, Heard, Smith, Daley-Mclean, Riley; Cornborough, Davies, Bern, O'Donnell, Scott, Cleall, Leitch, Hunter (capt).
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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 2:56 pm

TightHEAD wrote:McKenna, Breach, Scarratt, Heard, Smith, Daley-Mclean, Riley; Cornborough, Davies, Bern, O'Donnell, Scott, Cleall, Leitch, Hunter (capt).

Cornborough should not be in there due to the silly YC.

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Post by TightHEAD on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 2:56 pm

The only team this week who could win this.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 3:24 pm

He has interesting views LT. Expect the England Italy game to result in 2 English players as they were only playing Italy.

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Post by miaow on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 4:06 pm

I do get where the 'Guscott loves Wales' stuff comes from. Dee was horrible at the lineout for most of the game - not just his fault - but to suggest he had a better game in the loose than Guirado (who played well despite the chaos) is incredible. Not sure if anyone from the Ire/Sco game played better but surely Dee wasn't the best hooker this week...

Watkin and JD2 were solid if unremarkable. Pennaud deserved to be in there, as did Picamoles for me. You could pick any number of English players to make up the bulk of it though.

Is it a classic case of a former international not wanting to big up the people who have replaced him? With all sorts of things like extra money, fame etc. from the game now in the mix? Surely Guscott's not that petty...but then surely he's a better pundit than to produce a team like that?

Or is it all about the clicks and dicussion...

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Post by tigertattie on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 4:52 pm

He's also got to cater for all the home nations and not just England, but in truth, the team of the week were England.

Jamie Ritchie was probably the best 7 of the weekend but when you lose your game you'd struggle to win an argument to be in a team of the week!

Ireland were pretty poopie and Wales didn't exactly come out flying either.

But these things are always entirely subjective so...............
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Post by lostinwales on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 5:07 pm

tigertattie wrote:He's also got to cater for all the home nations and not just England, but in truth, the team of the week were England.

Jamie Ritchie was probably the best 7 of the weekend but when you lose your game you'd struggle to win an argument to be in a team of the week!

Ireland were pretty poopie and Wales didn't exactly come out flying either.

But these things are always entirely subjective so...............

I thought Richie was exceptional personally, and would have been a reasonable shout for MoM even if he was on the losing side. POM was the most visible of the Irish back row, sometimes for the wrong reasons (Hogg). I thought SOB was mostly very quiet. Conan was not particularly visible either.

Carberry was the Irish player who seemed to spark things to life

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Post by miaow on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 6:50 pm

Agree, Ritchie was fantastic.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 11 Feb 2019, 7:41 pm

Personally, there's a devil in me that always likes to hear how Schmidt Ireland were (and it ain't a lie...) and yet came away with a three try win away against a pretty tricksy and dangerous Scottish team. Not many sides in the highest levels of
International rugby can have so many below-par days and still win.
Carbery was okay but the only Irish player in team of the week might be Stockdale.

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