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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:25 pm

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It’s a little early for separate World Cup and Ashes threads, but with the Windies giving England less wins than they might have liked, what confidence had been gained from Sri Lanka has been drained.

If anything, it feels like there were less questions in summer than there are now, with the top three even less secure, Curran’s away showings looking unconvincing so far and some questions around  places for Bairstow, Foakes and pace of Wood or similar. 

There’s also a World Cup coming, a home World Cup, something England have been building towards for quite some time. They’re a very good team, maybe better than any England World Cup team, but there’s a few issues.

It’s also worth noting opponents, although I can’t see anyone getting more discussion than the Aussies. They’ve recovered from defeat to win a home series against a very weak Sri Lanka. Their tails are up, and they could welcome back their two bets batsmen. Could, as morals might well make that a little difficult. They don’t have many here, though, so it will depend just how much of a tit Warner is in the meantime.

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Post by robbo277 on Wed May 15, 2019 5:10 pm

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VTR wrote:Morgan's ban feels a bit tactical to me. Clears his demerit points ahead of the World Cup, missing a game he might have sat out anyway

Demerit points don't carry over to the World Cup

I felt the same VTR, but I checked the rules this morning and demerit points don't get wiped with a ban, they accumulate. Demerit points are removed 24 months after you get them. I'm not sure if they count in the World Cup, but there is little benefit in deliberately getting points to bring forward a ban.

I suppose now you could say Morgan is two offences away from what would be a longer ban (2 games), rather than 1 offence away from a 1 game ban, so that immediate jeopardy is gone. So it could still be a little tactical.

With modern over rates I'd be very surprised if he didn't cop another ban in the next 2 years, even if he avoids it at the World Cup.

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Post by VTR on Wed May 15, 2019 5:21 pm

Complicated stuff! Wonder if Morgan will retire after the World Cup anyway?

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed May 15, 2019 6:36 pm

I think everyone's assuming he will retire, and it will be beneficial.lomg term for the age profile of the squad to start blooding some young batsmen and giving the new captain (Bairstow or Buttler?) time to settle in.

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Post by James100 on Wed May 15, 2019 6:42 pm

He's only 32 so I'd hope he'll keep playing. Would make sense for him to step aside as Captain after the world cup though

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Post by VTR on Wed May 15, 2019 8:26 pm

I don't see him staying as player only. Think this is it, this tournament is four years in the making and is the one he wants. I don't see the motivation being there afterwards win or lose

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Post by guildfordbat on Wed May 15, 2019 9:10 pm

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robbo277 wrote:Good hundred for Hameed to put himself in contention. Runs for Burns and Root and decent returns for Anderson, Broad and Leach on the bowling side as well.

Another opener I've mentioned before and still pushing to get himself in the frame is Warks' Dom Sibley. He's now scored a century in each of his last five first-class matches going back to three in September last season.

That said, I'm not his greatest fan - I didn't like the circumstances in which he left Surrey and, more importantly, I feel his slow footwork against the pace of Test bowlers will expose his tendency to be dismissed struck on the pads in front. However, weight of runs at the top of the order is his best argument.

Dom Sibley 95 not out overnight in Warks' CC match at home to Hants. On the verge of a century in each of his last six first-class matches. Still not a great fan but the weight of runs gets heavier ....

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Post by king_carlos on Wed May 15, 2019 10:16 pm

Prior to this run of centuries Sibley's first class average will have ruled him out of any conversation. For a player of his talent it was pretty abysmal.

It's now up in the mid 30s though which dishearteningly could put him in the frame. Incumbent Jennings averages 33.86 in first class cricket...

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Wed May 15, 2019 10:51 pm

king_carlos wrote:Prior to this run of centuries Sibley's first class average will have ruled him out of any conversation. For a player of his talent it was pretty abysmal.

It's now up in the mid 30s though which dishearteningly could put him in the frame. Incumbent Jennings averages 33.86 in first class cricket...
Worth noting that Jennings played a lot of his red ball cricket at the Riverside in Durham, which was a raging green-top until the last couple of seasons.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Thu May 16, 2019 4:28 am

Wonder if there'll be the same silly level of indignation over Morgan's ban as there was over Holder's in the winter. I suspect not Whistle

I agree that the ban doesn't matter at all. Morgan's clearly in terrific form with the bat in any case, so doesn't need the time in the middle, and it will allow them to prepare for the "Morgan is injured" scenario (Buttler captains, presumably; what happens to the batting order?).

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu May 16, 2019 9:41 am

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Wonder if there'll be the same silly level of indignation over Morgan's ban as there was over Holder's in the winter. I suspect not Whistle

I agree that the ban doesn't matter at all. Morgan's clearly in terrific form with the bat in any case, so doesn't need the time in the middle, and it will allow them to prepare for the "Morgan is injured" scenario (Buttler captains, presumably; what happens to the batting order?).

Hi MfC - Morgan could well have been rested for one game of this Pakistan series anyway so, yeah, it's pretty much a non-event.

PS You posting at 3:28 in the morning! Nipper not sleeping? picard

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Post by jimbohammers on Thu May 16, 2019 10:31 am

Vince said in his interview after the One Day Cup semi final vs Lancashire on Sunday that he's been told he'll get at least 1 game in this series so maybe he'll replace Morgan for tomorrow?

Predictably id be in favor of having Dawson replace Denly in the squad. Think he's a proper all rounder who won't let anyone down. Denly is obviously a better batsman, but we're ok in that area i would think...
Also Dawson has a 100 in this years One day cup so he's no mug with the bat.

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Post by Afro on Thu May 16, 2019 10:37 am

Denly for Dawson seems to be the one being mooted about by the former players in the media atm. I've also heard them mention a couple of times having Jordan in the squad just to be 12th man for his fielding
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Post by Gooseberry on Thu May 16, 2019 11:55 am

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Wonder if there'll be the same silly level of indignation over Morgan's ban as there was over Holder's in the winter. I suspect not Whistle

I agree that the ban doesn't matter at all. Morgan's clearly in terrific form with the bat in any case, so doesn't need the time in the middle, and it will allow them to prepare for the "Morgan is injured" scenario (Buttler captains, presumably; what happens to the batting order?).

Think its pretty much a given Vince comes in, but they may shove him up the order to get a solid chance to bat.

If Dawson is to come in for Denly it has to be now, not suddenly getting parachuted into the final squad. But honestly it does make a mockery of having an extended squad in the first place if you're going to bring in a player deemed surplus (because they arent good enough) into a final world cup squad without having played at international level in any format this year. His international record is awful too. The media hype train is a bit ridiculous, theres a cricinfo headline talking about an SOS .... its the third choice spinners spot, they dont even need to have a third one.
That said he did make the 2016 world T20 squad in a pretty ridiculous fashion (late replacement in the performance squad, uncapped).
But honestly this all smacks of a lack of stuff to talk about now everyones decided to ignore Hales and are worried they will be called racist and/or a cnt if they mention Archer. If Moeen or Rashid were struggling for form or fitness it would be a bit more meaningful.

Picking Jordan out of the blue would be a slap for whichever seamer got left out too. He played in the T20 but isnt in the training squad, the idea of picking a specialist 12th man is pretty insulting to the rest of the squad. bearing in mind they already have to find a place for Archer, and potentially Curran I really just dont see how Jordan crashes in to the 15.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Thu May 16, 2019 12:18 pm

Jordan as a specialist 12th man is a silly idea. Considering a few of our seamers are injury-prone, wasting a spot on a specialist fielder who would probably only be on the field maybe 5-10 percent of the time anyway just doesn't make sense. Jordan is a fine fielder, but he's not that good.

I think England will give Denly another chance or two to prove himself. They clearly like him enough to have him in the squad, but he needs to contribute obviously. The options to replace him are Dawson or another seamer. For me the former makes more sense, as 5 seamers plus Stokes in the squad should really be plenty, and Dawson provides a back-up spinner if something happens to our frontline two, but I can see the attraction of the latter too. The previous game suggests that if Rashid were injured England would replace him with a seamer and rely on Root for second spinner overs rather than going for a straight swap with Denly (who Morgan clearly doesn't trust enough*). Would they go for a straight swap if Dawson were available? Maybe. I don't share Goose's concerns about him coming in from the cold: he's been around the squad a fair bit in the past, and will know the system well enough. In any case, he'd be unlikely to play at all, which maybe makes the case for picking the extra seamer, and being able to rotate those around, more appealing.

* This reminds me somewhat of a selection dilemna Mike once had with the French Junior side. They had to pick a squad of 13, so went with their chosen XI and a back-up seamer (obvious). The choice for the last spot came down to a straight fight between a specialist spinner (let's call him X) and a batting all-rounder who bowled spin (Y). Both decent but not outstanding fielders. Y could also keep wicket but not particularly well and we already had two keepers in the XI, so that wasn't a consideration. Anyway, after a training camp we had a selection meeting with Mike, the captain, vice-captain, and myself (not really involved, but I was doing data-analysis for the team at the time, and they fancied my input). My point was that the difference in terms of bowling wasn't that great, but that Y was clearly the better batsman, so they should go with Y. They agreed, but the next morning (before the squad was anounced) the captain went to see Mike to say he just couldn't see himself trusting Y as a bowler enough to give him more than the odd over, and didn't feel he was worth his spot as a specialist batsman, so wanted to pick X instead. Mike, after cheching with the vice-captain, decided to back his captain's call, so they picked X. I mention this because it feels a bit similar in this case: Morgan doesn't trust Denly's bowling enough in the 50 over stuff, and you have to wonder if Denly's batting alone is enough to force a spot in the squad. I suspect not, but he'll be hoping to get another chance or two to push his claim.

PS: guildford, the nipper's sleeping fine most nights, but we happen to be in China at the moment visiting his grandparents, hence the odd posting hours Wink

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Post by Afro on Thu May 16, 2019 12:31 pm

Jordan as a specialist 12th man comments were fairly tongue in cheek tbh.

What would people's 15s then?
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Post by alfie on Thu May 16, 2019 1:08 pm

The Dawson/Denly issue is an interesting one.  Clearly the selectors weren't seriously considering Dawson else they'd surely have had him in this Pakistan series group (resting Rashid , say) just to have a look...then again they've not looked much at Denly , or at Jordan at all.
Are they thinking just go with the spinners they have and all the fast bowlers ?  Wouldn't be surprised : not playing Wood in three games and hardly using Archer so far doesn't seem to be the best way of finding the optimum bowling combination so maybe they're all in...

Do not the rules allow a fresh player to be drafted in anyway if a player is totally ruled out with injury ? In which case loss of a spinner could be covered .

Guess one consideration is whether Vince is seen as effective cover for any batting position : if he is , then Denly is hardly required other than for bowling duties - and we see that Morgan lacks enthusiasm in that area.
Can't see a spot for Jordan . Just as injury reserve perhaps : wonder if he will get a run at the weekend ?

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu May 16, 2019 1:19 pm

Afro wrote:Jordan as a specialist 12th man comments were fairly tongue in cheek tbh.

What would people's 15s then?
My lineup would be:

Roy, Bairstow, Root, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes, Ali, Woakes, Rashid, Archer, ANO (perm one from Curran, Plunkett, Willey & Wood) and Vince as reserve batsman.

Backups to be called up if an injury:

Batter - Duckett
Spinner - Dawson
Seamer - Jordan

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu May 16, 2019 1:55 pm

Meanwhile with half an eye on the Ashes (I'm always ahead of the pack Wink ), Dom Sibley carried his bat in making an undefeated 109 having opened in Warks' innings against Hants.

He's now scored a century in each of his last six first-class matches. It may not get him in the Test side but it'll go a long way to getting his name mentioned.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu May 16, 2019 2:04 pm

And to further show the issue for selectors trying to sort the wheat from the chaff while looking at the County game, Ballance gets his 3rd hundred of the CC season in his third game. As a player we know he is "too good" for County bowlers but too many flaws for the international game.

While not as long as Sibley's run, he also got an unbeaten 194 in the final CC game of last season.

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu May 16, 2019 2:37 pm

alfie wrote:The Dawson/Denly issue is an interesting one.  Clearly the selectors weren't seriously considering Dawson else they'd surely have had him in this Pakistan series group (resting Rashid , say) just to have a look...then again they've not looked much at Denly , or at Jordan at all.
Are they thinking just go with the spinners they have and all the fast bowlers ?  Wouldn't be surprised : not playing Wood in three games and hardly using Archer so far doesn't seem to be the best way of finding the optimum bowling combination so maybe they're all in...

Do not the rules allow a fresh player to be drafted in anyway if a player is totally ruled out with injury ? In which case loss of a spinner could be covered .

Guess one consideration is whether Vince is seen as effective cover for any batting position : if he is , then Denly is hardly required other than for bowling duties - and we see that Morgan lacks enthusiasm in that area.
Can't see a spot for Jordan . Just as injury reserve perhaps : wonder if he will get a run at the weekend ?

I'm a strong supporter of Dawson in the 50 over format (ok, not as strong as JimboH but who is? Smile ). He's normally so reliable in all areas. I would welcome him into the squad and certainly rate him over Denly. However, I suspect that if he had a decent chance of being called up, he would be more involved than he now is. Hope I'm wrong but that's how I see it.

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Post by robbo277 on Thu May 16, 2019 3:57 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Meanwhile with half an eye on the Ashes (I'm always ahead of the pack Wink ), Dom Sibley carried his bat in making an undefeated 109 having opened in Warks' innings against Hants.

He's now scored a century in each of his last six first-class matches. It may not get him in the Test side but it'll go a long way to getting his name mentioned.

It's an interesting one. It's obviously better to be scoring county runs than not (goes for Ballance as well), but you get the impression that you'd need more than that. As you say, it will get his name mentioned in a way it wouldn't be if he didn't have runs, but it may not be enough.

There's an issue with the ball this year, I think it has a smaller seam and goes dead earlier on in the innings? A good county record may not protect you against an Aussie attack with a ball that is going to do more and do stuff for longer.

Burns picked up a few runs as well this weekend, and he's got to be feeling the happiest of our top 3 at the moment. Jennings and Denly will be looking over their shoulders.

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Post by robbo277 on Thu May 16, 2019 4:23 pm

Afro wrote:Jordan as a specialist 12th man comments were fairly tongue in cheek tbh.

What would people's 15s then?

Roy, Bairstow, Root, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes, Vince,
Ali, Rashid
Woakes, Archer, Curran, Wood, Willey

Leaves one more.

Batting looks pretty much set, especially as Ali could move up in an emergency and a lot of those guys can bat a bit.
If I add Plunkett in we just look too fast bowler heavy. So maybe a spinner?

Ali and Rashid will make our starting team as part of a 6 man attack (including Stokes), and I think this gives us balance. Ali will bat at 7, Rashid at 9 probably.

If Rashid is injured, we want our best spinner in. Denly's extra batting at 9 doesn't add too much in this instance.

If Ali is injured, would we be happy with a tail of Woakes (7), Rashid (8), Archer (9), Curran/Willey/Wood (10), other spinner (11)? If so, Denly's batting again wouldn't come into it and there is no scenario where you would pick Denly over a better spinner who happens to be a worse bat (if that's what we accept Dawson is). Even if we don't end up batting Dawson at 11, the marginal impact of having a better batsman is mitigated by other players able to take the role.

I guess the scenario for Denly is if we are looking to rotate our seamers and Ali is injured the game we wanted to rest Woakes? In this case would we rather have Vince's batting and Root's bowling or Denly's (worse?) batting and Denly's (better?) bowling? Is Denly's bowling that much better than Root's? I guess not if he's not trusted. Because if Ali and Woakes were missing the same game as our two all-rounders, we'd probably be best replacing 1 with a bat and 1 with a bowler, as we don't have enough all rounders to cover both, unless we're accepting Denly as a genuine all-rounder.

So the question is who does Morgan see as a better bowler an someone he can trust across 8-10 overs - Denly or Dawson? And if the answer is neither, just pick Plunkett.

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Post by Gooseberry on Thu May 16, 2019 6:59 pm

As a general thing Denly currently is in the 15, Dawson isn't in the wider group at all. Another attacking spinner with ODI credentials doesn't really exist, Rashid is not a player with a replacement who can come in and do the same job. Leach just does t have limited overs pedigree and can't bat. Dawson might have taken a few wickets this year in the RLC but that's almost. D2 competition this year with most top players in the IPL and or with their national squads. His international record is poor.
Denly place has always been more about covering Moeen who's form has been extremely flaky in all formats over the winter. The problem is he hasn't stepped up in the limited opportunities he's had, whereas Moeen seems to have found his confidence with bat and ball.
So really Denly spot is about cover and yeah he doesn't really offer that for Rashid, or even moeens economy at this point. The only other way he comes into contention is if England want to stack the batting depth and accept Denly as an occasional spinner....but as discussed earlier that means more overs for Stokes he isn't very good.
I honestly think England are more likely to go with just Moeen and Rashid in the squad than call up Dawson. Denly at least might get another chamce to make a case to stay in the 15 in meaningful cricket.


Going back to Morgan ...almost everyone in the extended squad will be the wrong side of 30 come the next world cup. That had to be a worry, whilst Gayle and dohni kind of prove fat old blokes can get away with it England cricketers have tended to retire earlier ( well ok Anderson but ...) and they don't like to hide fielders. With the batsmen in particular the next-generation hasn't really had a look in whilst this core group have been so dominant over the last cycle. Bringing in Vince and Denly didn't change the age profile positively.
On that basis it suits England to have the oldest bats retire post world cup so they can start flooding younger players. Whilst bairstow, Roy,Hales (cough), Buttler, stokes, billings and the tin of custard (And I guess Morgan just about too) are young enough to all still be in date chances are one or two will be creaking by then and overall it would be quite worrying if they were reliant entirely on dad's army (something about the Surrey bowling attack) as much as it is with Bored and Anderson still being the first choice new ball attack in tests.
Morgan could stuck out for the T20 world cup and ICC trophy, but I personally feel it would be better in the long term if they started letting the new captain build asap.


On the balls and opening bats...yeah the reduced seam seems to have helped proper openers look better and be more valued by their counties ...that's good news for the test team long term even if it is inflating their apparent ability. But having Handed and Sibley looking like proper batsmen is a hell of a step forward from last summer.
When it comes to tests the old style Dukes will be back, but they are expecting that to be balanced out by truer pitches.

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Post by Duty281 on Thu May 16, 2019 8:26 pm

Duty281 wrote:Had England batted first, 500 would have been made. Indeed, I expect 500 to be made at the upcoming World Cup by at least one team.

Nottingham next - expect 400+ if England bat first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48295945

It's just a matter of when.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu May 16, 2019 11:26 pm

I notice from that article that Bairstow, Woakes and Plunkett are to be rested at Trent Bridge. With Morgan also out I wonder who will bat at 4? Denly has yet to bat so will be hoping for a chance to impress.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri May 17, 2019 9:48 am

Id assume Vince and Denly will bat up the order

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri May 17, 2019 10:36 am

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Duty281 wrote:Had England batted first, 500 would have been made. Indeed, I expect 500 to be made at the upcoming World Cup by at least one team.

Nottingham next - expect 400+ if England bat first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48295945

It's just a matter of when.

It would be would be Wood saying this, not so sure the top order batsmen will be happy with being told its inevitable!
It can only happen if England bat first (unless they are going to be the second team to make the total..), which they generally don't like to do. They would have to score at 10 an over, thats a sharp rate for T20s. They've only ever passed 450 once, the 481 was a real anomaly against a weakened attack (only one of the 4 front line bowlers that day made Australia's world cup squad). The top scorer that day has been kicked out of the England squad. Theyve only passed 400 on 3 other occasions.
In theory at the world cup they will be facing the top bowling attacks in meaningful games, and the pressure of expectation on the batsmen. I dont think you can compare it to a BS mid series slapathon at the end of an arduous tour played against a B team.

Whilst I agree that England are the side best placed to do it, having been the top batting side in the world over the past few years and possessing the depth to take risks through an innings, its still pretty unlikely to happen.

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri May 17, 2019 11:41 am

Gooseberry wrote:Id assume Vince and Denly will bat up the order

Vince will open, and like you I assume Denly will slot into Morgan's spot - though he could easily come in later dependent on the situation.

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Post by alfie on Fri May 17, 2019 11:53 am

Agree 500 is unlikely - certainly at the WC. Someone will probably make it one day but it will be against Nepal or UAE ...

As for match 4 I'd imagine the lineup will be something like

Roy Vince Root Denly Stokes Buttler Moeen Rashid Curran Archer Wood. Unless they want to rest Moeen and let Denly have a proper bowl - and I can't see that happening.

Think they've decided Plunkett and Woakes are in the squad - which makes sense as they are consistent wicket takers in this format. I get that Plunkett might have lost a little pace ; but he basically still did the job in these last couple of games and I think he's done enough. Will be interesting to see how well Wood comes back to action if he's been injury affected. I don't think he's necessarily nailed on yet , if Archer is going to be added.
Anyone know what conditions are going to be like ?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 pm

Roy, Bairstow, Root, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes, Vince,
Ali, Rashid, Dawson
Woakes, Archer, Curran, Plunkett, Willey

Would be my 15 - some would say harsh on Wood, but he's barely bowled this year and his ODI record is much worse than Plunkett/Willey's, and Archer would offer the "pace" Wood does - in fact probably more. I also like Curran's death ability, and also grit with the bat too.

As for today - it's a little overcast at Nottingham, Archer posted something about their being rain around this morning on twitter, but that should clear according to weather forecasts. I should imagine being Trent Bridge, you'll have the usual belter and short boundary one side...

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Post by Duty281 on Fri May 17, 2019 1:35 pm

England fielding first, which is a shame because I felt 500 was properly 'on' had they batted first. One boundary side is ridiculously tiny and the wicket is pancake flat.

Still, at least we get to see Archer and Wood bowl first up - real pace. Pakistan need a minimum of 400.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri May 17, 2019 1:38 pm

Roy, Vince, Root, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Denly, Rashid, Curran, Wood, Archer

the XI, and batting order on the ECB graphic...we'll see if that changes
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Post by alfie on Fri May 17, 2019 2:17 pm

The XI I expected...not the order. Why bother picking Denly if he bats seven (if at all) and hardly bowls ? Surely he gets to bat four or five ?

Can't see any prospect of 500 , Duty , without Bairstow at the top or Morgan in the order. Anyway bowling first so Archer and Wood get an opportunity to show what they can do with the a new ball first up...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri May 17, 2019 2:17 pm

Imam retires hurt - takes one right on the tip of the left elbow from Wood...yikes. Made me wince that one!
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Post by Gooseberry on Fri May 17, 2019 2:25 pm

alfie wrote:The XI I expected...not the order. Why bother picking Denly if he bats seven (if at all) and hardly bowls ? Surely he gets to bat four or five ?

Can't see any prospect of 500 , Duty , without Bairstow at the top or Morgan in the order. Anyway bowling first so Archer and Wood get an opportunity to show what they can do with the a new ball first up...

I agree, unless they are seeing him as a "finisher" in Moeens spot, but if things go to plan he'd only get a couple of overs at best. If his bowling isnt used much either then it does noone any good.

Of course the named batting order might not be the used one...so lets not jump the gun on this.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri May 17, 2019 2:27 pm

Accurate start from Archer and Wood, though the boundaries are starting to come now. Any width and the ball really motors away.

Nasty injury to Imam...could be his World Cup over.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 pm

Woods busy getting ruined by one of those minnow bashers now, including a flat 6 hit so hard the ball needed replacing.
Seems to be very much a considered approach from Pakistan to go easy in the first few overs. Appears to be a batting wicket.

Denly being tested...flat deck against two aggressive batsman in the power play just when they are accelerating ...
I guess this is his chance

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Post by Afro on Fri May 17, 2019 2:40 pm

Denly coming on first change
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Post by alfie on Fri May 17, 2019 2:44 pm

0/49 from 8.

Nice to have two 90 mph bowlers but it doesn't always work for you in the opening overs...though Wood did 'remove' poor Imam !

Denny given the privilege of first spin over. Hasn't stopped the runs yet...I fancy England will be chasing a few here.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri May 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Apparently its only the 4th time in his list A career hes been first change.

It was a risky change by hes done the job so far and got some control back for England, its really only that one over form Wood where Pakistan have scored easily.

Curran on now too...more genuine pace.

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Post by alfie on Fri May 17, 2019 3:05 pm

Tidy enough so far from Denly. Can't imagine they'll be content to just milk him for long though : expect a bit of an attack soon and we will see how he responds.
Then again perhaps they are happy to collect risk free runs...might figure they'll be able to up the pace against anyone on this ground later. Does look pretty comfortable for batting today. Might be a day for Rashid.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri May 17, 2019 3:06 pm

It's a strange one - Pakistan going at 6 an over, haven't lost any wickets, probably heading for 360-380...but you feel like it's not enough.

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri May 17, 2019 3:18 pm

Oi Goose - get off the Surrey thread! Wink

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Post by alfie on Fri May 17, 2019 3:23 pm

Fifty each for these two clap

Think they've played well. It may be a road ; but there hasn't been a lot of rubbish bowled and yet they've scored rapidly and not looked like getting out...

Take your point , Duty , about the need for a big score. But unless England can nail their death bowling they might well get one : this has certainly given them a platform , and unless someone grabs some wickets in these middle overs they'll be free to really charge home.
England batting not quite so strong today either.

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Post by alfie on Fri May 17, 2019 3:28 pm

...and now Curran arrives with the first wicket...nice catch by Wood. Curran doing his prospects no harm here today.

England needed that.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri May 17, 2019 4:02 pm

Pakistan continuing to coast to the mid 300s...England have just thrown away their one and only review.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri May 17, 2019 4:17 pm

Duty281 wrote:Pakistan continuing to coast to the mid 300s...England have just thrown away their one and only review.

Well behind the eight ball in my opinion - England are bowling well, but Pakistan haven't really learnt their lesson from Bristol. We'll see what they do final 15, but at the moment I have England well on top...
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Post by alfie on Fri May 17, 2019 4:20 pm

I've been off air for a bit...see that the run rate has been reasonably restrained lately? Still set for a late flurry though with only one down.

Missed stumping ! Lucky break for Pakistan ...200/1

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Post by alfie on Fri May 17, 2019 4:26 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Pakistan continuing to coast to the mid 300s...England have just thrown away their one and only review.

Well behind the eight ball in my opinion - England are bowling well, but Pakistan haven't really learnt their lesson from Bristol. We'll see what they do final 15, but at the moment I have England well on top...

Yeah you'd think they'd like to have scored a few more given the great start and not losing wickets : they should still get well over 300 but not enough to put the game out of sight.
And we always expect England to chase anything...the caution being the usual batting is a bit disrupted today.

I'd say both sides are well in it at the moment.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Fri May 17, 2019 4:35 pm

Babar Azam plodding along selfishly for a personal milestone rather than setting the tempo. Embarrassing

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