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Post by No9 on Mon 25 Feb 2019, 1:59 pm

First topic message reminder :

So is the newly formed Professional Rugby Board (PRB) going to create stability in the Welsh Professional game or just be a stay of execution before the 4 regions get cut to 3 or even 2.

We don't have the funds in Wales to maintain the existing professional sides, but the problem is, cut one and that wont mean the remaining 3 get more revenue, as supporters and fans of a region will not simply support another is theirs are disbanded, as proved when they disbanded the Celtic Warriors.

I hate the fact, but we don't have the funds to keep professional rugby in Wales, and I foresee the demise of it looming.. Sad

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47348518?isBumped=0&postFreq=0&isEmpty=0&isProfane=0&tooLong=0&charCount=0&isAwaitingProcessPreMod=0&isSubmitted=1&filter=none&initial_page_size=10&postId=133850859#comment_133850859

I love the comment "He admitted an Ospreys merger with Cardiff Blues had been among the options explored in high-level Welsh rugby talks"... what Muppet thought that was going to work Erm

Thoughts....

Its all off again... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47461662

Lets hope thats the last we hear of this rubbish until the 6 Nations is over at least...


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Post by marty2086 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 12:45 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I find it disgusting that people on the NHS are not getting annual pay rises in Wales, yet the Welsh government are willing to put 12 million pounds into a rugby project.

Just when I think you can't write anything more stupid

Like you have above genius.

tell me again about this asset that Cardiff Blues have. Rolling Eyes

They have over £400k worth of assets

One of those assets will soon be playing for Bath if the reports are to be believed, and if we are going by players, then Ospreys have far, far more assets.

We're not talking players thumbsup

Then what are you talking about ?

Cardiff Blues do not even own their own clubhouse.

If you don't know then you don't know

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Post by No9 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 12:47 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I find it disgusting that people on the NHS are not getting annual pay rises in Wales, yet the Welsh government are willing to put 12 million pounds into a rugby project.

Just when I think you can't write anything more stupid

Like you have above genius.

tell me again about this asset that Cardiff Blues have. Rolling Eyes

They have over £400k worth of assets

One of those assets will soon be playing for Bath if the reports are to be believed, and if we are going by players, then Ospreys have far, far more assets.

We're not talking players thumbsup

Then what are you talking about ?

Cardiff Blues do not even own their own clubhouse.

If you don't know then you don't know


They have about a dozen or so stale pies left over from the previous benefactor....

Doh pathetic....

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 12:49 pm

No9 wrote:
They have about a dozen or so stale pies left over from the previous benefactor....

Doh pathetic....

They must be gourmet pies then Drool

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 12:50 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I find it disgusting that people on the NHS are not getting annual pay rises in Wales, yet the Welsh government are willing to put 12 million pounds into a rugby project.

Just when I think you can't write anything more stupid

Like you have above genius.

tell me again about this asset that Cardiff Blues have. Rolling Eyes

Tell me again what bail out they've had

Who has said anything about a bail out ?

Only two regions have been bailed out, the constant failures from Newport, and Scarlets.

No, the WRU are investing in pro rugby against a secure asset.

Seems like 'constant success' might have sent us bust, doesn't it?
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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 12:51 pm

No9 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I find it disgusting that people on the NHS are not getting annual pay rises in Wales, yet the Welsh government are willing to put 12 million pounds into a rugby project.

Just when I think you can't write anything more stupid

Like you have above genius.

tell me again about this asset that Cardiff Blues have. Rolling Eyes

They have over £400k worth of assets

One of those assets will soon be playing for Bath if the reports are to be believed, and if we are going by players, then Ospreys have far, far more assets.

We're not talking players thumbsup

Then what are you talking about ?

Cardiff Blues do not even own their own clubhouse.

If you don't know then you don't know


They have about a dozen or so stale pies left over from the previous benefactor....

Doh pathetic....

That's a dozen or so more than the Ospreys.

HTH.
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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 12:53 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I find it disgusting that people on the NHS are not getting annual pay rises in Wales, yet the Welsh government are willing to put 12 million pounds into a rugby project.

Just when I think you can't write anything more stupid

Like you have above genius.

tell me again about this asset that Cardiff Blues have. Rolling Eyes

Tell me again what bail out they've had

Who has said anything about a bail out ?

Only two regions have been bailed out, the constant failures from Newport, and Scarlets.

No, the WRU are investing in pro rugby against a secure asset.

Seems like 'constant success' might have sent us bust, doesn't it?

Nope, it's more of a fact that the land occupied by Rodney Parade is worth a few million quid, and even more if you build much needed houses on it.

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 12:54 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
No9 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I find it disgusting that people on the NHS are not getting annual pay rises in Wales, yet the Welsh government are willing to put 12 million pounds into a rugby project.

Just when I think you can't write anything more stupid

Like you have above genius.

tell me again about this asset that Cardiff Blues have. Rolling Eyes

They have over £400k worth of assets

One of those assets will soon be playing for Bath if the reports are to be believed, and if we are going by players, then Ospreys have far, far more assets.

We're not talking players thumbsup

Then what are you talking about ?

Cardiff Blues do not even own their own clubhouse.

If you don't know then you don't know


They have about a dozen or so stale pies left over from the previous benefactor....

Doh pathetic....

That's a dozen or so more than the Ospreys.

HTH.

Says the man who thought Cardiff Blues owned their own ground..... Rolling Eyes

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:01 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

Says the man who thought Cardiff Blues owned their own ground..... Rolling Eyes

Except he didn't, he said asset, you assumed to create a point you could argue against

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:02 pm

Well come on then, somebody correct me and tell me about these assets that Cardiff Blues have.

Come on, I'm all ears. Very Happy

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:03 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Well come on then, somebody correct me and tell me about these assets that Cardiff Blues have.

Come on, I'm all ears. Very Happy

You already listed some, they have their players Rolling Eyes

Do keep up

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:06 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Well come on then, somebody correct me and tell me about these assets that Cardiff Blues have.

Come on, I'm all ears. Very Happy

You already listed some, they have their players Rolling Eyes

Do keep up

And like I said, Ospreys have a lot more if we are going by that.

It's you who needs to keep up. You are agreeing with SM when he said the following:-

The three mentioned have an asset against which investment can be secured. Ospreys don't. wrote:

So come on, what are these assets that all the other regions have, but Ospreys do not ?

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:07 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Well come on then, somebody correct me and tell me about these assets that Cardiff Blues have.

Come on, I'm all ears. Very Happy

You already listed some, they have their players Rolling Eyes

Do keep up

And like I said, Ospreys have a lot more if we are going by that.

It's you who needs to keep up. You are agreeing with Sm when he said the following:-



So come on, what are these assets that all the other regions have, but Ospreys do not ?

You'll have to ask him, I merely pointed out that the Blues have assets and Motif never said he was talking about the ground

You seem to take offence at facts being pointed out

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:10 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Well come on then, somebody correct me and tell me about these assets that Cardiff Blues have.

Come on, I'm all ears. Very Happy

You already listed some, they have their players Rolling Eyes

Do keep up

And like I said, Ospreys have a lot more if we are going by that.

It's you who needs to keep up. You are agreeing with Sm when he said the following:-



So come on, what are these assets that all the other regions have, but Ospreys do not ?

You'll have to ask him, I merely pointed out that the Blues have assets and Motif never said he was talking about the ground

You seem to take offence at facts being pointed out

Firstly I am not offended.

Secondly, if you do not know the answer to the question I am asking you, then I must come to the conclusion that you are making something up just to try and get a bite out of me, there is a name for people like that on the internet.

Thirdly, can you please answer my question ?

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Post by No9 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:11 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Well come on then, somebody correct me and tell me about these assets that Cardiff Blues have.

Come on, I'm all ears. Very Happy

Give up LD, its like talking to kids, they know best and will argue black is white even though they cant substantiate their arguments.

The simple fact is, the accountants are looking at ways of grabbing as much revenue as they can and bu88er the heat and soul of rugby.

The WRU invested in the Dragons by bailing them out and improving the playing surface at Rodney Parade. So on the balance sheet, that makes the Dragons safe.

The WRU are not prepared to fight the Blues or the Scarlets.

So that just leaves the Ospreys to be culled for extra WAG money in setting up a North Wales region.

I've accepted it will happen, just disgusted by the way its been done....

It should be on playing results.... and wonder who that would be Whistle

But the biggest annoyance for me, has to be the timing... Setting up for a Grand Slam and in RWC year... How do the WRU keep pressing the destruct button.

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:18 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I find it disgusting that people on the NHS are not getting annual pay rises in Wales, yet the Welsh government are willing to put 12 million pounds into a rugby project.

Just when I think you can't write anything more stupid

Like you have above genius.

tell me again about this asset that Cardiff Blues have. Rolling Eyes

Tell me again what bail out they've had

Who has said anything about a bail out ?

Only two regions have been bailed out, the constant failures from Newport, and Scarlets.

No, the WRU are investing in pro rugby against a secure asset.

Seems like 'constant success' might have sent us bust, doesn't it?

Nope, it's more of a fact that the land occupied by Rodney Parade is worth a few million quid, and even more if you build much needed houses on it.
What's that mean in English Andy?
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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:19 pm

It means that if things go jubblies up, they can sell the land. Genius..... Doh

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:27 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Well come on then, somebody correct me and tell me about these assets that Cardiff Blues have.

Come on, I'm all ears. Very Happy

You already listed some, they have their players Rolling Eyes

Do keep up

And like I said, Ospreys have a lot more if we are going by that.

It's you who needs to keep up. You are agreeing with Sm when he said the following:-



So come on, what are these assets that all the other regions have, but Ospreys do not ?

You'll have to ask him, I merely pointed out that the Blues have assets and Motif never said he was talking about the ground

You seem to take offence at facts being pointed out

Firstly I am not offended.

Secondly, if you do not know the answer to the question I am asking you, then I must come to the conclusion that you are making something up just to try and get a bite out of me, there is a name for people like that on the internet.

Thirdly, can you please answer my question ?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/cardiffbluesblog.com/2019/02/28/cac-take-the-lead-on-arms-park-redevelopment/amp/

Cardiff RFC/Blues offered the same deal as Newport/Dragons were offered - sell us the ground nothing more. Ospreys don't have that option.
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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:28 pm

Also, care to tell me what these assets everyone except Ospreys have ?

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:30 pm

LordDowlais wrote:It means that if things go jubblies up, they can sell the land. Genius..... Doh

Well yes Andy, as has been pointed out above they'll have an asset against which any investment is secure. Glad you agree and I have educated some Merthyr pork
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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:31 pm

Stone Motif wrote:Cardiff RFC/Blues offered the same deal as Newport/Dragons were offered - sell us the ground nothing more. Ospreys don't have that option.

How do you know ?

CAC will never sell that piece of prime real estate.

So tell me, again, what are these assets everyone except Ospreys have ?

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:31 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:It means that if things go jubblies up, they can sell the land. Genius..... Doh

Well yes Andy, as has been pointed out above they'll have an asset against which any investment is secure. Glad you agree and I have educated some Merthyr pork

So where are Cardiff Blues assets then ? Come on, it's your words, back them up.

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:34 pm

You have really dug a hole for yourself here and made yourself look very silly, even for you.

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:35 pm

No9 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Well come on then, somebody correct me and tell me about these assets that Cardiff Blues have.

Come on, I'm all ears. Very Happy

Give up LD, its like talking to kids, they know best and will argue black is white even though they cant substantiate their arguments.

The simple fact is, the accountants are looking at ways of grabbing as much revenue as they can and bu88er the heat and soul of rugby.

The WRU invested in the Dragons by bailing them out and improving the playing surface at Rodney Parade. So on the balance sheet, that makes the Dragons safe.

The WRU are not prepared to fight the Blues or the Scarlets.

So that just leaves the Ospreys to be culled for extra WAG money in setting up a North Wales region.

I've accepted it will happen, just disgusted by the way its been done....

It should be on playing results.... and wonder who that would be Whistle

But the biggest annoyance for me, has to be the timing... Setting up for a Grand Slam and in RWC year... How do the WRU keep pressing the destruct button.
You've lived beyond your means to achieve those 'playing results'. HTH.
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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:38 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:It means that if things go jubblies up, they can sell the land. Genius..... Doh

Well yes Andy, as has been pointed out above they'll have an asset against which any investment is secure. Glad you agree and I have educated some Merthyr pork

So where are Cardiff Blues assets then ? Come on, it's your words, back them up.

There was no bailout which was no 9's original point. If there had been it would have been on the basis of the WRU acquiring the ground. Thus, vastly different to the situation wig the Ospreys. What do you think it would cost the WRU to buy the Liberty?


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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:39 pm

LordDowlais wrote:You have really dug a hole for yourself here and made yourself look very silly, even for you.
Not really,because I understand property and investment whereas you sell carpets for a living (writing occasional bad copy for the Fail)
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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:42 pm

Stone Motif wrote:There was no bailout which was no 9's original point. If there had been it would have been on the basis of the WRU awaiting the ground. Thus, vastly different to the situation wig the Ospreys. What do you think it would cost the WRU to buy the Liberty?

I don't know how much it would cost the WRU to buy the Liberty, but what has that got to do with anything ? It's still an option, one you said Ospreys did not have.

Cardiff Arms park would not be cheap either, I would wager it would be around the same price, being that it is in the city center, right smack bang to the national stadium.

So again, you are talking nonsense.

So, I will ask again, So where are Cardiff Blues assets then ?

Also, I said nothing about Cardiff Blues having a bail out.

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Post by Irish Londoner on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:43 pm

Regarding the points about "assets", having worked in local government planning, most sportsgrounds are regarded as land that cannot be set aside for housing development as they are a community asset/amenity.
Also a lot of the older grounds and things such as parks were donated by the original (private or council) landowner for "recreational purposes" and the title deeds often have a clause in them to that effect.
You might be able to sell the land that Rodney Parade or Cardiff Arms Park sits on, however it's value as an asset maybe less than the clubs think as they may only be able to sell it to someone else to run as a sports facility of some sort.
If the club is relocating that might be different - e.g. if the WRU sell Rodney Parade to build a new ground somewhere else, but then most of the profit (if not all) would end up paying for the new stadium so there's still no extra money.

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:43 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:You have really dug a hole for yourself here and made yourself look very silly, even for you.
Not really,because I understand property and investment whereas you sell carpets for a living (writing occasional bad copy for the Fail)

Obviously you do not, because if you did, you would not have made the statement you made earlier, as you would have realised that Cardiff Blues do not own any land.

Your head must be really hurting today, you need a rest, stop making yourself look silly. Go and lie down. Doh

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:49 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:You have really dug a hole for yourself here and made yourself look very silly, even for you.
Not really,because I understand property and investment whereas you sell carpets for a living (writing occasional bad copy for the Fail)

Obviously you do not, because if you did, you would not have made the statement you made earlier, as you would have realised that Cardiff Blues do not own any land.

Your head must be really hurting today, you need a rest, stop making yourself look silly. Go and lie down. Doh

No, because my job involves those exact things rather than sitting in an empty carpet shop. Any WRU investment in the Blues would have been against an asset. Same as the 'bailout' you harp on about the Dragons getting. What non-point you think you are scoring here in your tiny mind I don't know. I do know it's about as relevant as anything else you post here Andy.
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Post by marty2086 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 1:54 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

Firstly I am not offended.

Well you're coming across as very angry and now have initiated your usual personal attacks

LordDowlais wrote:Secondly, if you do not know the answer to the question I am asking you, then I must come to the conclusion that you are making something up just to try and get a bite out of me, there is a name for people like that on the internet.

Come to whatever conclusion you please, not knowing the answer doesn't equate to lying it equates to not knowing the details. Cardiff have assets that's fact you want to say I'm lying about that feel free to do that and use whatever name you want to call me publically if you're brave enough


LordDowlais wrote:Thirdly, can you please answer my question ?

I'm not sure what question I'm meant to answer since it was Motif who made the original claim. Unlike you I'd rather not speak for him

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:00 pm

Irish Londoner wrote:Regarding the points about "assets", having worked in local government planning, most sportsgrounds are regarded as land that cannot be set aside for housing development as they are a community asset/amenity.
Also a lot of the older grounds and things such as parks were donated by the original (private or council) landowner for "recreational purposes" and the title deeds often have a clause in them to that effect.
You might be able to sell the land that Rodney Parade or Cardiff Arms Park sits on, however it's value as an asset maybe less than the clubs think as they may only be able to sell it to someone else to run as a sports facility of some sort.
If the club is relocating that might be different - e.g. if the WRU sell Rodney Parade to build a new ground somewhere else, but then most of the profit (if not all) would end up paying for the new stadium so there's still no extra money.
Regarding the points above, the cabbage patch at Dave has no such covenants. NCC granted consent to build Manhatten on it a few years back before the recession.

It has a value whether it's redeveloped or not regardless.
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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:03 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:There was no bailout which was no 9's original point. If there had been it would have been on the basis of the WRU awaiting the ground. Thus, vastly different to the situation wig the Ospreys. What do you think it would cost the WRU to buy the Liberty?

I don't know how much it would cost the WRU to buy the Liberty, but what has that got to do with anything ? It's still an option, one you said Ospreys did not have.

Cardiff Arms park would not be cheap either, I would wager it would be around the same price, being that it is in the city center, right smack bang to the national stadium.

So again, you are talking nonsense.

So, I will ask again, So where are Cardiff Blues assets then ?

Also, I said nothing about Cardiff Blues having a bail out.
This one in particular is a gem.

"The Swans will pay the authority £300,000 a year for 37 years, give it a cut of stadium sponsorship revenue and build 3G pitches in the city."


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Post by marty2086 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:07 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:There was no bailout which was no 9's original point. If there had been it would have been on the basis of the WRU awaiting the ground. Thus, vastly different to the situation wig the Ospreys. What do you think it would cost the WRU to buy the Liberty?

I don't know how much it would cost the WRU to buy the Liberty, but what has that got to do with anything ? It's still an option, one you said Ospreys did not have.

Cardiff Arms park would not be cheap either, I would wager it would be around the same price, being that it is in the city center, right smack bang to the national stadium.

So again, you are talking nonsense.

So, I will ask again, So where are Cardiff Blues assets then ?

Also, I said nothing about Cardiff Blues having a bail out.
This one in particular is a gem. You reckon a premiership football ground is worth less than the Arms Park?

Don't you know that if LD says it then it's fact..this is how the world came to be he is GOD!!! Hero

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:11 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:There was no bailout which was no 9's original point. If there had been it would have been on the basis of the WRU awaiting the ground. Thus, vastly different to the situation wig the Ospreys. What do you think it would cost the WRU to buy the Liberty?

I don't know how much it would cost the WRU to buy the Liberty, but what has that got to do with anything ? It's still an option, one you said Ospreys did not have.

Cardiff Arms park would not be cheap either, I would wager it would be around the same price, being that it is in the city center, right smack bang to the national stadium.

So again, you are talking nonsense.

So, I will ask again, So where are Cardiff Blues assets then ?

Also, I said nothing about Cardiff Blues having a bail out.
This one in particular is a gem. You reckon a premiership football ground is worth less than the Arms Park?

Don't you know that if LD says it then it's fact..this is how the world came to be he is GOD!!! Hero

No wonder he writes for the Western Mail
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Post by No9 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:18 pm

Its all off again... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/47461662

... until next iteration.


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Post by marty2086 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:18 pm

Statement from the Scarlets

Firstly, we can confirm the statement issued by the Professional Rugby Board (PRB) on Tuesday afternoon as accurate, as are the comments made by Wales’ national coach that the proposed merger was driven by the regions, in consultation with the PRB.

In late December, the Scarlets received a high-level approach from the Ospreys to explore the option of a merger as they had come to the conclusion that their position as tenants at the Liberty Stadium was proving to be challenging.

This was discussed at the two-day strategy meeting of PRB on January 8th and 9th. The loss of a region would have put Welsh rugby in breach of its commitment to having four regions playing in the major competitions. As a result, the option of a team playing out of North Wales was raised.

By the time of the next PRB meeting on February 5, discussions had broken down between the Scarlets and Ospreys and we were told that the Ospreys and another region were in talks over a possible merger, again with North Wales being the option to maintain four teams.

Subsequently, those discussions also broke down and we were approached again last week by the Ospreys to reconsider a merger.

Heads of terms were agreed and signed by the Ospreys and Scarlets on March 1 on terms we believe our supporters would be happy with. This was to be proposed at a meeting of the PRB on Tuesday afternoon, but we were told at the start of that meeting that the Ospreys had changed their mind.
The merger is off the table.

In recent years, the Scarlets have been building steadily to regain our place as one of Europe’s leading sides. We have a superb stadium, great staff, loyal and passionate supporters and a team to be proud of. We know that the problems regarding Welsh rugby have not gone away but we remain committed to the best interests of the Scarlets and the game in Wales.

Seems the Ospreys chairman calling the whole thing a shambles was his attempt to kick some dirt up to cover his own hide. Seems the Ospreys were trying to sell to anyone and everyone

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:21 pm

marty2086 wrote:Statement from the Scarlets

Firstly, we can confirm the statement issued by the Professional Rugby Board (PRB) on Tuesday afternoon as accurate, as are the comments made by Wales’ national coach that the proposed merger was driven by the regions, in consultation with the PRB.

In late December, the Scarlets received a high-level approach from the Ospreys to explore the option of a merger as they had come to the conclusion that their position as tenants at the Liberty Stadium was proving to be challenging.

This was discussed at the two-day strategy meeting of PRB on January 8th and 9th. The loss of a region would have put Welsh rugby in breach of its commitment to having four regions playing in the major competitions. As a result, the option of a team playing out of North Wales was raised.

By the time of the next PRB meeting on February 5, discussions had broken down between the Scarlets and Ospreys and we were told that the Ospreys and another region were in talks over a possible merger, again with North Wales being the option to maintain four teams.

Subsequently, those discussions also broke down and we were approached again last week by the Ospreys to reconsider a merger.

Heads of terms were agreed and signed by the Ospreys and Scarlets on March 1 on terms we believe our supporters would be happy with. This was to be proposed at a meeting of the PRB on Tuesday afternoon, but we were told at the start of that meeting that the Ospreys had changed their mind.
The merger is off the table.

In recent years, the Scarlets have been building steadily to regain our place as one of Europe’s leading sides. We have a superb stadium, great staff, loyal and passionate supporters and a team to be proud of. We know that the problems regarding Welsh rugby have not gone away but we remain committed to the best interests of the Scarlets and the game in Wales.

Seems the Ospreys chairman calling the whole thing a shambles was his attempt to kick some dirt up to cover his own hide. Seems the Ospreys were trying to sell to anyone and everyone

Exactly this. Looking forward to Andy and his scrum half coming on here to point out and acknowledge what a pair of prize twunts they've made of themselves.
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Post by wayne on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:22 pm

Irish Londoner wrote:Regarding the points about "assets", having worked in local government planning, most sportsgrounds are regarded as land that cannot be set aside for housing development as they are a community asset/amenity.
Also a lot of the older grounds and things such as parks were donated by the original (private or council) landowner for "recreational purposes" and the title deeds often have a clause in them to that effect.
You might be able to sell the land that Rodney Parade or Cardiff Arms Park sits on, however it's value as an asset maybe less than the clubs think as they may only be able to sell it to someone else to run as a sports facility of some sort.
If the club is relocating that might be different - e.g. if the WRU sell Rodney Parade to build a new ground somewhere else, but then most of the profit (if not all) would end up paying for the new stadium so there's still no extra money.

Irish Londoner, don't listen to the LIAR, Cardiff Blues do not own the piece of land they play on, it is owned by Cardiff Athletic Club, they are in exactly the same position as the Ospreys, any team that plays on that piece of land HAS to have the name Cardiff in it's name all to do within the deeds when the land was given to them, they even have the WRU over a barrel over the carbuncle that can be seen inside the Principality Stadium. The Union have been trying to buy it to increase attendances for YEEEAAARRRSSS. Like talking to a brick wall.

Anyway going to the matter in hand, the Moderator on our Forum (who is an Osprey employee) answered a question on our Forum early last week, to what was now happening, gave the startling news, about 2 reporters that came to our organisation to have the match preview with one of our Coaches that they had seen Mike James down at PYS. Apparently we did want a merger but only on the understanding that it was to be 50/50. This was NOT forthcoming from the Scarlets they wanted a 70/30 split and that was NOT acceptable to us. To clarify a bit more Mike James resigned as our Chairman prior to yesterdays meeting, this was in order to not be able to sit on the PRB, Rob Davies took over as our Chairman but is not yet on the PRB, contrary to what has been mentioned Mike is still a Director of the Ospreys.
Finally in a different slant, employees of the Ospreys have been told we are going nowhere.

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:24 pm

See, none of you can put a structured debate together, it's the usual members. Just start taking the p!ss as usual.


Stone Motif wrote:The three mentioned have an asset against which investment can be secured. Ospreys don't.

Above is a statement that Stone Motif made. It is false, I called him out on it, then marty took his chance as per usual to hump the leg of anyone who would disagree with me.

So again, I will ask the question, what assets do the the other three regions have that an investment can be secured against, and Ospreys do not have ?

Are any of you two going to answer that question or are you going to hide behind taking the p!ss ?

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:27 pm

wayne wrote:Irish Londoner, don't listen to the LIAR, Cardiff Blues do not own the piece of land they play on, it is owned by Cardiff Athletic Club, they are in exactly the same position as the Ospreys, any team that plays on that piece of land HAS to have the name Cardiff in it's name all to do within the deeds when the land was given to them, they even have the WRU over a barrel over the carbuncle that can be seen inside the Principality Stadium. The Union have been trying to buy it to increase attendances for YEEEAAARRRSSS. Like talking to a brick wall.


Thank you wayne. You see, there are people here who actually know things, do not listen to a jumped up Dragons fan with a chip on his shoulder and somebody humping his leg.

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:27 pm

wayne wrote:
Irish Londoner wrote:Regarding the points about "assets", having worked in local government planning, most sportsgrounds are regarded as land that cannot be set aside for housing development as they are a community asset/amenity.
Also a lot of the older grounds and things such as parks were donated by the original (private or council) landowner for "recreational purposes" and the title deeds often have a clause in them to that effect.
You might be able to sell the land that Rodney Parade or Cardiff Arms Park sits on, however it's value as an asset maybe less than the clubs think as they may only be able to sell it to someone else to run as a sports facility of some sort.
If the club is relocating that might be different - e.g. if the WRU sell Rodney Parade to build a new ground somewhere else, but then most of the profit (if not all) would end up paying for the new stadium so there's still no extra money.

Irish Londoner, don't listen to the LIAR, Cardiff Blues do not own the piece of land they play on, it is owned by Cardiff Athletic Club, they are in exactly the same position as the Ospreys, any team that plays on that piece of land HAS to have the name Cardiff in it's name all to do within the deeds when the land was given to them, they even have the WRU over a barrel over the carbuncle that can be seen inside the Principality Stadium. The Union have been trying to buy it to increase attendances for YEEEAAARRRSSS. Like talking to a brick wall.

Anyway going to the matter in hand, the Moderator on our Forum (who is an Osprey employee) answered a question on our Forum early last week, to what was now happening, gave the startling news, about 2 reporters that came to our organisation to have the match preview with one of our Coaches that they had seen Mike James down at PYS. Apparently we did want a merger but only on the understanding that it was to be 50/50. This was NOT forthcoming from the Scarlets they wanted a 70/30 split and that was NOT acceptable to us. To clarify a bit more Mike James resigned as our Chairman prior to yesterdays meeting, this was in order to not be able to sit on the PRB, Rob Davies took over as our Chairman but is not yet on the PRB, contrary to what has been mentioned Mike is still a Director of the Ospreys.
Finally in a different slant, employees of the Ospreys have been told we are going nowhere.

If that's aimed at me you're he LIAR as always as I never said they did. There was an asset hat could secure any investment by he WRU as you yourself note.

The Ospreys are the ones coming out of this looking at best inept, who'd have thunk it, eh?

That one true region sh1te compared to the Scarlet's release shows the gulf in professionalism. Can't believe you had the arrogance to want 50/50 when you had he begging bowl out...
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Post by marty2086 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:28 pm

LordDowlais wrote:See, none of you can put a structured debate together, it's the usual members. Just start taking the p!ss as usual.


Stone Motif wrote:The three mentioned have an asset against which investment can be secured. Ospreys don't.

Above is a statement that Stone Motif made. It is false, I called him out on it, then marty took his chance as per usual to hump the leg of anyone who would disagree with me.

So again, I will ask the question, what assets do the the other three regions have that an investment can be secured against, and Ospreys do not have ?

Are any of you two going to answer that question or are you going to hide behind taking the p!ss ?

picard

How exactly can I explain what someone else meant? Please explain that

Once again...I pointed out firstly he never mentioned stadiums that was a conclusion YOU drew instead of asking him to clarify. You argued against your assumption

Instead of acknowledging that you went on the attack

Secondly no one is taking the p!ss. As I pointed out you're offended by the facts, hence why you are resorting to name calling and some serious passive aggressiveness

Thirdly, are you claiming that I lied and Cardiff Blues do not have assets?


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Post by BamBam on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:30 pm

RANDOM capital LETTERS never fail to GET a POINT across do THEY?

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:30 pm

Still no answer then marty ? Oh well. Never mind. Let's just let this go shall we ?

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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:31 pm

LordDowlais wrote:See, none of you can put a structured debate together, it's the usual members. Just start taking the p!ss as usual.


Stone Motif wrote:The three mentioned have an asset against which investment can be secured. Ospreys don't.

Above is a statement that Stone Motif made. It is false, I called him out on it, then marty took his chance as per usual to hump the leg of anyone who would disagree with me.

So again, I will ask the question, what assets do the the other three regions have that an investment can be secured against, and Ospreys do not have ?

Are any of you two going to answer that question or are you going to hide behind taking the p!ss ?

And again, the answer is that WRU investment would have been covered by the ground, same as Dave Parade. Cardiff didn't take that option as Newport RFC did. They could have, hence there was a prize piece of real estate that could have been leveraged to secure your 'WRU bailout'. They'd have not got this deal out of Swansea Council and a covenant including a tenant paying £300k over 37 years is worth a sight more than it would cost to set up a region in North Wales.
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Post by Stone Motif on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:32 pm

BamBam wrote:RANDOM capital LETTERS never fail to GET a POINT across do THEY?
The ONE TRUE REGION is SKINT
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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:34 pm

Stone Motif wrote:And again, the answer is that WRU investment would have been covered by the ground, same as Dave Parade. Cardiff didn't take that option as Newport RFC did. They could have, hence there was a prize piece of real estate that could have been leveraged to secure your 'WRU bailout'. They'd have not got this deal out of Swansea Council and a covenant including a tenant paying £300k over 37 years is worth a sight more than it would cost to set up a region in North Wales.

God, are you sure your'e in the business you say you are ? I would never take any advice from you.

Cardiff Blues do not own any land, so how can they secure anything, against something they do not own ?

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Post by wayne on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:34 pm

BamBam wrote:RANDOM capital LETTERS never fail to GET a POINT across do THEY?

Yep.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:35 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Still no answer then marty ? Oh well. Never mind. Let's just let this go shall we ?

An answer to what exactly?

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Post by wayne on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 2:37 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:And again, the answer is that WRU investment would have been covered by the ground, same as Dave Parade. Cardiff didn't take that option as Newport RFC did. They could have, hence there was a prize piece of real estate that could have been leveraged to secure your 'WRU bailout'. They'd have not got this deal out of Swansea Council and a covenant including a tenant paying £300k over 37 years is worth a sight more than it would cost to set up a region in North Wales.

God, are you sure your'e in the business you say you are ? I would never take any advice from you.

Cardiff Blues do not own any land, so how can they secure anything, against something they do not own ?

Lord, can't you tell he's a lavatory attendant.

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