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Post by dynamark on Tue 26 Feb 2019, 17:16

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I think its a done deal -no doubt he will be sat with the owner tonight
Villa should be a big big club remember going to cup semis there but probably need an owner willing to throw in some quick money .
No messing around in football these days from any of the owners.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 Apr 2019, 07:20

Diggers wrote:I suppose Boris Johnson’s string of affairs, love child, 2 abortions through said affairs, all indicate huge moral fibre and set a fantastic example? I guess that all falls far short of having a swift drink on a tube.

Not illegal though is it?

Of course drinking on a train is a fairly trivial offence, but she ought to know that because of her history of stupidity and crazy claims, actions and exclamations that she's subject to more scrutiny than most. Why would someone like her give people fuel to ridicule her? You'd think she'd keep as low a profile as possible.


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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 Apr 2019, 07:21

Diggers wrote:
super_realist wrote:Surprised that no one has blamed the 4-0 defeat of Manchester United on climate change, seems to be the answer to everything these days.

I’m surprised you haven’t blamed Diane Abbott.

Don't be stupid Diggers, there's numbers involved. Abbott would have them as winning 4-0

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Post by dynamark on Tue 23 Apr 2019, 08:20

I had to post today woke up and looked at the clock and it said 6 0 6 spooky or what ?
Id take the same view if Boris was drinking on the train however he is not at present a govt minister. The principle being that people who make the rules should stick to them. Plenty of other examples over the years.Anyway back to brexit today after its easter break.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 09:31

And it's OK the Theresa May orchestrated the deportation of UK citizens?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 12:26

McLaren wrote:And it's OK the Theresa May orchestrated the deportation of UK citizens?

Isn't it you always going on about not bringing up "whataboutery" Mac? Haven't you got a road to block somewhere anyway?
We're discussing Fat Abbot and her dipso tendencies. If you want to discuss Windrush, start a post on it.

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Post by dynamark on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 12:49

Mac its not Ok along with a lot of other issues with all manner of(should be) responsible persons.
Maybe Abotts slurred speech and poor maths are the result of her drinking habits.Remember the Liberal leader.
Fact remains drinking on London Transport is not allowed and she has to stick to that rule along with the rest.Few cans argument fight stabbing thats why the rules are there.Why could she not wait to get home or down the local wine bar.
Anyway looking forward to the Man City/Utd game tonight along with Leicester Arsenal at the weekend .Fixture change at the King Power moving from Monday to Sunday has led to them cancelling a 200 seat private function at short notice and yet the Arsenal Europe game is not until the Thursday evening.An awful lot of games getting moved around.

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Post by superflyweight on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 13:03

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:You seem to have more issues with a lady having a drink ona train then the vote leave illegal campaign regarding brexit.

Anyonewho has an issue with a lady having a drink on the train, is probably clouded by their views on the lady rather then what she is doing.

There's nothing wrong with having a drink on a train, but if it's against the law as it is on TfL, why should she get away with it?
If she had a cigarette on the train, I'm sure you'd not approve, so why is a sneaky mojito out of a can any better?

Remember she's a woman with a long history of hypocrisy in this type of "one rule for the plebs, one rule for me" sort of way, a woman who says we shouldn't have public schools and then sends her children (surprised she has children) to the schools she wants to get rid of. A woman who supposedly stands against racism, but only employs non white people. Great, what a shining example she is.

As for an illegal vote leave campaign, what's illegal about it? I'm not for Brexit, but I can't see what's illegal about their campaign, perhaps in your wisdom you could enlighten us.

Strange point to raise. What the hell is that supposed to mean?

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 13:32

The wonderful, brilliant Glenda Jackson doing the talk-show rounds here with her Lear opening on Broadway. What a breath of fresh air.

Chatting on NPR's Fresh Air (coincidentally) programme for forty minutes yesterday, absolutely compelling, voice of reason and perspective. One of my heroes.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 14:13

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:And it's OK the Theresa May orchestrated the deportation of UK citizens?

Isn't it you always going on about not bringing up "whataboutery" Mac? Haven't you got a road to block somewhere anyway?
We're discussing Fat Abbot and her dipso tendencies. If you want to discuss Windrush, start a post on it.

Yeh you are probably right. On reflection that is pretty much whataboutery.  The general point was meant to be about how some politician are held to different standards compared to others. For example Abboot is pilloried by the press and by people on here for getting some mental arithmetic wrong yet May isn't held to account for instigating an openly racist policy.  If we look at Abbots voting record, and I would say her actions as a politician would be the thing to judge her on she has voted pretty much how I would have liked over the years.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10001/diane_abbott/hackney_north_and_stoke_newington/votes
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Post by super_realist on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 18:39

I don't think they are really Mac. Every time any politician does something wrong or even embarrassing (i.e. May dancing) we are all over it like a rash. I don't think anyone gets any special treatment on here. For example you, Diggers and Beninho are always there to highlight where right of centre politicians step out of line. Mogg for example has been rightly laughed at and ridiculed.

May has definitely been held to account for Windrush and her time in the Home Office, just as Hunt was for his time as Health Secretary, just as Gove was for Education, just as Boris Johnson was for Foreign Secretary, just as Brown was for his time as Chancellor, just as Corbyn is for being a terrible leader and making numerous dubious political appearances where he shouldn't have been.

It's fine if you want to ignore all that's written about each and every one of them, but it doesn't mean that their shortcomings (of which there are many on both sides of the house) haven't been mentioned.

Abbot (and awful people like Chris Williamson) might have been  good MP's for their constituents, but that's where it ends I think. She's a woeful representative of her party compared to say Keir Starmer who seems to know how to behave and represent himself. Far more damaging to her party than an asset I would say.

David Lammy is another who doesn't seem to know where his responsibilities end and where his opinion should be kept to himself (I'll stand by for your accusations of racism) but he's been a plank a good few times when he would be better advised to shut up.

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Post by dynamark on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 20:57

Guys there plenty of folk here in East Leicester who think Keith Vaz is a splendid fellow ,probably because he helped them get a new bathroom or something.I think that was well balanced post from Suoer I saw Lammy on Tv recently and he was very odd to say the least,bordering on crazy.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 21:04

Super

In what way was May held to account for what she did to the windrush victims? Being held to account for that would surely include being removed from office and possible criminal proceedings.

Most criminal action by a PM since Blairs idiocy in Iraq.


And on the Lammy comment I assume (or at least hope) you are trolling.
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Post by beninho on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 21:26

Sterling hae become such a good player. He could get in almost any team in the world.

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Post by dynamark on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 22:09

Good game Citeh just looked more up for it and made it count.Three to go.
Blair was criminal - 45 minutes? -but I suppose its history now.Many consequences including deaths very serious stuff .He got to the point he was almost evangelical about his role to cover his delusion.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 07:34

McLaren wrote:Super

In what way was May held to account for what she did to the windrush victims?  Being held to account for that would surely include being removed from office and possible criminal proceedings.

Most criminal action by a PM since Blairs idiocy in Iraq.


And on the Lammy comment I assume (or at least hope) you are trolling.

Mac, I'm talking about US criticising her, just as we castigated Blair.

No, I wasn't wumming about Lammy, the guy has said some truly idiotic things for an MP which he clearly shouldn't have.

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Post by beninho on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 07:37

What has lammy said that has annoyed you so much?


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Post by super_realist on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 07:54



First of all, when his party is accused of being anti semitic, he claims that Brexiteers are as bad as the Nazis. That's clearly a truly stupid thing for a Labour MP to say in the current environment.

Secondly, he said that the world does not need any more "White Saviours" in regards to charity abroad,  a truly stupid thing for an MP to say, especially when he was sat on his fat arse doing nothing.

He's also declared more donations to him than any other MP, so perhaps he should keep quiet on charity right when his nose is so deeply entrenched in the trough?

MP's like musicians should just keep their mouths shut and not try to use their position to put forward their point of view. He has a position to serve his constituents, that's it.

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Post by beninho on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 08:52

But its ok for someone to hide behind a name on a forum and spout views and opinions but not for others to express them. Like tye bores on twitter who tell gary lineker to stick to football or even denis pugh to stick to golf. What an absurd opinion.

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Post by dynamark on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 12:04

Gery Lineker should stick to football which he is decent at ,he seems to think he is some sort of prophet on everything else.But that's twitter for you.
Super is definite John Blunt but its a fair viewpoint

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Post by McLaren on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 13:09

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McLaren wrote:
Mac, I'm talking about US criticising her, just as we castigated Blair.

What are you on about? The point is clearly that you are losing your mind over Abbots simple maths error and sipping a mojito while you don't care that the current PM remains in position after initiating a blatantly racist policy. I have no idea what the US has to do with any of that.


On Lammy, what scares you that the far right (Farage, some brexiteers, Carl Benjamin etc) might be suitably categorized as having very similar views and policies to previous fascist movements? Are you worried that if it becomes mainstream knowledge that they are as rightwing as many people who do identify as Nazis that you can no longer nod and wink in their direction and tacitly approve of what they say?
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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 15:11

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Mac, I'm talking about US criticising her, just as we castigated Blair.

What are you on about?  The point is clearly that you are losing your mind over Abbots simple maths error and sipping a mojito while you don't care that the current PM remains in position after initiating a blatantly racist policy.  I have no idea what the US has to do with any of that.


On Lammy, what scares you that the far right (Farage, some brexiteers, Carl Benjamin etc) might be suitably categorized as having very similar views and policies to previous fascist movements?  Are you worried that if it becomes mainstream knowledge that they are as rightwing as many people who do identify as Nazis that you can no longer nod and wink in their direction and tacitly approve of what they say?
Laugh US! Not the U.S. Honestly...
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Post by McLaren on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 16:25

Fine, us (or for some reason the capitalized version US) would surely include Super so could he please put in writing his strong condemnation of May for her engineering of deportation of British people based on race?
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Post by super_realist on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 07:41

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Mac, I'm talking about US criticising her, just as we castigated Blair.

What are you on about?  The point is clearly that you are losing your mind over Abbots simple maths error and sipping a mojito while you don't care that the current PM remains in position after initiating a blatantly racist policy.  I have no idea what the US has to do with any of that.


On Lammy, what scares you that the far right (Farage, some brexiteers, Carl Benjamin etc) might be suitably categorized as having very similar views and policies to previous fascist movements?  Are you worried that if it becomes mainstream knowledge that they are as rightwing as many people who do identify as Nazis that you can no longer nod and wink in their direction and tacitly approve of what they say?

Mac, I thought we'd already decided that your whataboutery didn't count here? Can't we discuss a matter without having to caveat it with every other wrong done by other politicians? Start a discussion about May if you like, but it's not relevant in this particular discussion. I capitalised "US" to emphasise that we collectively talk about these issues.

On Lammy, I mentioned him because he publicly airs views that aren't related to his job. I care about his views on charity about as much as I take notice of the hysterical views of a Swedish autistic teenager or crackpot nutters like Extinction Rebellion on climate.

As for his comments about Nazi's. I clearly stated why I thought it completely stupid that someone from a party with a recent history of anti-Semitism should use the word Nazi. Furthermore, I've never approved of what Farage or any of the other people you mention say either, and the only time I've ever heard of Carl Benjamin is when you've mentioned him. I've no idea who he is.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 07:50

McLaren wrote:Fine, us (or for some reason the capitalized version US) would surely include Super so could he please put in writing his strong condemnation of May for her engineering of deportation of British people based on race?

Are you really so stupid that you think that before I mention anything negative done by any politician, i.e. Abbott or Williamson that I should work my way through a list of people who might also have done wrong and mention all of those first? I notice that you never do that, so why the f**k should I?

Why don't you actually talk about the things being discussed Mac instead of trying to always divert things away and excuse it by stating that "someone has done worse"? Abbott doesn't get off scot-free just because May's government has done worse on a completely unrelated issue. I'm actually aiming at the hypocrisy of someone like Abbott here, but your abominable grasp of comprehension would never grasp that. What sort of naïve goon thinks that you can't discuss such things without first considering them all?

No one has time to explore every single topic to the nth degree, not even you. So stop trying to make me do something that you don't even do yourself. If you want to start a post about May, then do so, but I'm discussing the hypocrisy of Abbott and to a lesser extent Lammy here.

…..and by the way, it's CAPITALISED. There's no bloody Z in it.




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Post by super_realist on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 08:25

On another note, that Lego haired Jimmy Krankie Independence dog with a bone crackpot Sturgeon is now  charging me a considerable additional premium  for the honour to live in her bloody country with the new Scottish tax rates this month, and what's she doing with it? Refurbishing her official residence last time I looked.

Funny how these idiots are always claiming that real time earnings are going down, yes Nicola, if you put taxes up, that's what happens.

Won't affect your pocket though Mac, don't worry.

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Post by dynamark on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 08:39

Super that's a bit harsh on Jimmy Krankie .

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Post by Be_the_ball on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 12:28

The explosion at the Tata steel plant was quite a bang, just saw footage of it. Amazed only two injured.

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Post by dynamark on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 20:59

Those plants are mental I did some work years back at Tinsley in Sheffield stainless steel .Noise heat smell flames shooting out we had to wear woollen firemans suits .Bonkers.
Much respect for the lads who work in there every day.But it is very interesting to see the process.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Sun 28 Apr 2019, 20:02

The Blades playing Premier League football next year, it's been some journey back for them. Who will be first in for their manager Chris Wilder?!?! What a great job he's done. clap

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Post by McLaren on Sun 28 Apr 2019, 22:59

Be_the_ball wrote: Who will be first in for their manager Chris Wilder?!?!

Man Utd
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Post by Roller_Coaster on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 09:27

Wilder sacked before Christmas, Warnock in to try and save them (claiming "unfinished business" after the Tevez and Mascherano inspired West Ham stayed up at the expense of the Blades amid the third party ownership issue all those moons ago).

Warnock fails (again) in the premier league and finally retires, before coming out of retirement 37 minutes later to squeeze another couple of million out of a foreign owner wanting his Championship side to get promoted. Hires Guardiola as his surprise number 2 who goes on record as wanting to learn proper English football and loving the metaphysical nuances of getting it "in the mixer".

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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 10:01

Roller_Coaster wrote:Wilder sacked before Christmas, Warnock in to try and save them (claiming "unfinished business" after the Tevez and Mascherano inspired West Ham stayed up at the expense of the Blades amid the third party ownership issue all those moons ago).

Warnock fails (again) in the premier league and finally retires, before coming out of retirement 37 minutes later to squeeze another couple of million out of a foreign owner wanting his Championship side to get promoted. Hires Guardiola as his surprise number 2 who goes on record as wanting to learn proper English football and loving the metaphysical nuances of getting it "in the mixer".
Laugh I loathe Warnock and I don't even know him. The Tevez/Mascherano saga was pathetic, but for SU to blame West Ham, solely, for their relegation was only slightly less pathetic than West Ham having to pay £millions to SU as 'compensation' for their utterly sh!te play over the entire season.
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Post by Be_the_ball on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 13:40

McLaren wrote:
Be_the_ball wrote: Who will be first in for their manager Chris Wilder?!?!

Man Utd

Apparently Everton have been giving him the glad eye Mc.
Man Utd need a big clear out and rebuild, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 13:45

Roller_Coaster wrote:Wilder sacked before Christmas, Warnock in to try and save them (claiming "unfinished business" after the Tevez and Mascherano inspired West Ham stayed up at the expense of the Blades amid the third party ownership issue all those moons ago).

Warnock fails (again) in the premier league and finally retires, before coming out of retirement 37 minutes later to squeeze another couple of million out of a foreign owner wanting his Championship side to get promoted. Hires Guardiola as his surprise number 2 who goes on record as wanting to learn proper English football and loving the metaphysical nuances of getting it "in the mixer".

Laugh Laugh

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 01 May 2019, 09:51

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48113953

Amazing. Black (ex-Somali immigrant) cop shoots and kills unarmed, striking, white woman (who happens to be another national) - convicted of murder.

White cop(s) shoot and kill unarmed U.S. black men - get off scot-free chin.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 01 May 2019, 10:51

Navy

But you are right, clearly multiple standards when it comes to police shootings.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 02 May 2019, 08:11

McLaren wrote:Navy

But you are right, clearly multiple standards when it comes to police shootings.

As ever with you Mac far too simplistic, myopic and trying to lead the evidence. Each case is wildly different and cannot be compared to another. Do you really think that a black policeman has never shot/killed a civilian and had no action taken? By contrast, are you really so gullible to think that a white policeman has never been charged with unlawful killing of a black person?  Trying to compare two completely separate cases and draw a conclusion on all police shootings is evidence of how basic your thought process is.

You must be about 30 now, it's time to ditch this infantile view of the world you have and stop trying to fit things to your agenda and comparing things which aren't connected to one another. You don't know the background to any of those cases, yet you're making absurd claims on them as if there is police conspiracy.

The comparison of two distinct and separate cases does not in any circumstances show there are "clearly multiple standards when it comes to police shootings"

How on earth did you get an MSc with terrible arguments like that? All it shows is that two different shootings had two different outcomes for the shooter involved, nothing else.

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Post by beninho on Thu 02 May 2019, 18:47

Realist. While what you have written above is basically bollox, I have a question.

Do you believe black and white people in America are treated the same with regards to law enforcement both police and general public?

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Post by super_realist on Fri 03 May 2019, 07:59

beninho wrote:Realist. While what you have written above is basically bollox, I have a question.

Do you believe black and white people in America are treated the same with regards to law enforcement both police and general public?

For fox sake, you're as bad as Mac.

Mac is making the assumption based on two distinct and separate incidents that there "clearly is multiple standards when it comes to police shootings"

Now, there may well be multiple standards at play, but as usual Mac has no evidence on which to make that claim, just two incidents from which he has reached an opinion and only a fool would make that claim on the flimsy anecdotes he has in front of him.

I'm not actually questioning whether there is a difference between black and white, there could well be. I'm questioning how Mac is able to make such a claim when he doesn't have anything like the sample number required to make such a claim. He's the one who always asks for science and evidence to be employed, yet he doesn't use any himself. Mac is no more privy to the information on black/white police prosecutions/admonishments than we are so what is he basing that claim on and how can he make that claim on authority? If anyone is talking bollox it's him. He's like these ER morons just making claims he can't back up.

Please explain what I have said that is bollox? I didn't make a single claim, I pointed out the weakness of Mac's argument, which is pretty plain to see.

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Post by McLaren on Fri 03 May 2019, 10:41

For starters. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4634878/
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Post by super_realist on Sat 04 May 2019, 10:22

McLaren wrote:For starters. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4634878/

As if you'd read that before you posted Mac.

Why didn't you present that to being with?

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Post by beninho on Sat 04 May 2019, 20:05

53points and 17th. I'll take that as a pretty successful season. Now lets see if Qpr nab our manager.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sat 04 May 2019, 20:14

PFC have hit the buffers for the second time this year - now for another two games against the Sunderland Diggers, that I'd imagine neither team would want.

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Post by westisbest on Sat 04 May 2019, 21:51

That fixture could be the most exciting out of the three leagues.
Would of had both of those teams going up.

Sadly one defiantly won’t, maybe both won’t.

Exciting at the bottom of leagues 1&2 today.
Felt a bit for Notts County, finally going on the last day.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sat 04 May 2019, 22:59

Notts Cty have spent a lot of money, one way or the other.
All they've got to show for it is relegation.
Good riddance.
Are they the only one of the original 12 now out of the league?

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Post by puligny on Sun 05 May 2019, 09:48

But Macc Town survive - for another season at least! C’mon the Silkmen!

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Post by I'm never wrong on Sun 05 May 2019, 09:57

kwinigolfer wrote:Are they the only one of the original 12 now out of the league?
.....Bolton might not be far behind..... Sad

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 06 May 2019, 22:50

Goal of the Month for May?
Unfortunately . . . . .

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Post by super_realist on Tue 07 May 2019, 07:44

Looks like Liverpool will continue to live in the past.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Tue 07 May 2019, 21:41

super_realist wrote:Looks like Liverpool will continue to live in the past.

Well that aged well Shocked

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