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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 03 Apr 2019, 11:08 am

First topic message reminder :

Table
England 2pts (+2.08nrr)
Afghanistan
Australia
Bangladesh
India
New Zealand
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
West Indies
South Africa 0pts (-2.08 nrr)


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Thu, May 30 
10:30 England vs South Africa  (The Oval)

Fri, May 31 
10:30 West Indies vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Sat, Jun 1 
10:30 New Zealand vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs Australia (Bristol)

Sun, Jun 2 
10:30 South Africa vs Bangladesh (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 3 
10:30 England vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Tue, Jun 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)

Wed, Jun 5 
10:30 South Africa vs India (Southampton)
13:30 Bangladesh vs New Zealand (The Oval)

Thu, Jun 6 
10:30 Australia vs West Indies (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 7 
10:30 Pakistan vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Sat, Jun 8 
10:30 England vs Bangladesh (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs New Zealand (Taunton)

Sun, Jun 9 
10:30 Australia vs India (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 10 
10:30 South Africa vs West Indies (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 11 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Wed, Jun 12 
10:30 Australia vs Pakistan (Taunton)

Thu, Jun 13 
10:30 India vs New Zealand (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 14 
10:30 England vs West Indies (Southampton)

Sat, Jun 15 
10:30 Australia vs Sri Lanka (The Oval)
13:30 Afghanistan vs South Africa (Cardiff)

Sun, Jun 16 
10:30 India vs Pakistan (Old Trafford)

Mon, Jun 17 
10:30 Bangladesh vs West Indies (Taunton)

Tue, Jun 18 
10:30 England vs Afghanistan (Old Trafford)

Wed, Jun 19 
10:30 New Zealand vs South Africa (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 20 
10:30 Australia vs Bangladesh (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 21 
10:30 England vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)

Sat, Jun 22 
10:30 Afghanistan vs India (Southampton)
13:30 New Zealand vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Sun, Jun 23 
10:30 Pakistan vs South Africa (Lord’s)

Mon, Jun 24 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Bangladesh (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 25 
10:30 England vs Australia (Lord’s)

Wed, Jun 26 
10:30 New Zealand vs Pakistan (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 27 
10:30 India vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Fri, Jun 28 
10:30 South Africa vs Sri Lanka (Edgbaston)

Sat, Jun 29 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Pakistan (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs New Zealand (Lord’s)

Sun, Jun 30 
10:30 England vs India (Edgbaston)

Mon, Jul 1 
10:30 Sri Lanka vs West Indies (Riverside Ground)

Tue, Jul 2 
10:30 Bangladesh vs India (Edgbaston)

Wed, Jul 3 
10:30 England vs New Zealand (Riverside Ground)

Thu, Jul 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs West Indies (Headingley)

Fri, Jul 5 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Pakistan (Lord’s)

Sat, Jul 6 
10:30 India vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs South Africa (Old Trafford)




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Post by KP_fan on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 10:15 am

Gooseberry wrote:That tail is quite a thing isnt it, pandya a fast scorer but unreliable, and Bhuvi isnt at all...he only averages 15 in ODIs ....hes really not worth 20 extra runs no matter how bad Shami is!
A lot of pressure in that top order to score big and bat for time, but a fi e collection of bowlers. We've seen more help for spinners than might have been expected an low scoring games which could suit India.

It's cool today but both games should be dry with more sun lanter. Although teams so far have chosen to bowl first I'm wondering if both Asian teams might fancy bowling second today given the choice.

Have to back India despite the tail. SA have similar issues and less quality through the team. The biggest plus for them is knowing how the pitches play and India maybe a bit lacking sharpness after sitting watching TV for so long. Whether Jadeja or both checkers play it's hard to see SA having learnt how to play spinners overnight. They'll be fired up and it's a must win for them ...but India surely the big favourites.

Don't form impression of Pandya as a batsman or bowler of what you saw of him in tests
in ODIs...he is a very good No. 7.....who can get you regular 30s and 40s and many times 2 runs a ball 50....and holds his place as a 3rd seamer

I see India have picked Bhuvi ahead of shami today....and that gives a decent batting option at No. 8 ....don't go again by averages....where there is a need for lower order runs....more often then not Bhuvi will deliver a 20 or 30 odd..you can count on him
I would have liked to see him play in tests in Eng ( but he was injured) and In Aus where he was sidelined in selection process inspite of being in squad.

BUT he operates with swing in 130-135kph range...unlike shami who swings and seams in the 135-145kph range

But I am glad we are playing both wrist spinners and Jadhav as 3rd spinner...we should aim to restrict SA to ~250ish
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 10:16 am

So India go with Bhuvi and Jadhav with Rahul as expected at 4

Saffers go with two spinners interestingly, and Amla is back in for Markram. They have won the toss and will bat first, obviously they think the pitch will grip based on selection and toss decision
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Post by Galted on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 10:37 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:So India go with Bhuvi and Jadhav with Rahul as expected at 4

Saffers go with two spinners interestingly, and Amla is back in for Markram. They have won the toss and will bat first, obviously they think the pitch will grip based on selection and toss decision

The way du Plessis's mind works I think it's more along the lines of 'we don't win batting second so that must mean we'll win batting first'.

Read a staggering interview with him on Cricinfo in which he said that they can't control the outcome of the game but that they they must make sure they're always saying positive things to stay mentally strong. I hope I'm misquoting him, if not it displays a special kind of ineptitude. I wonder what Ponting, Waugh or Kohli would think about that attitude?
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Post by KP_fan on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 10:40 am

steady first two overs for India.....Bhuvi half a yard faster then expected and Bumrah not yet warmed up to his full speed
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 11:03 am

My impression of pandya and bhuvi is based on their actual records as opposed to the fantasies.
Bhuvi averages 15 in over 100 ODIs... he cant be scoring 20 to 30 runs most times he bats.

That aside it does look like SA have very much gone to plan B and been proactive to turn things around. Du Plesis is a thinking and active captain, and I like the positive mindset he takes to things. Ultimately this is a must win game for them, and blindly following a plan that wasn't working doesn't seem a great way to affect change. It probably wont pan out well for them but it's worth a try.
Batting first doesn't follow the pattern but I'm not amazed to see it, and it fits with the two spinners approach and shows they are learning from what's happened through the tournament. Chasing down totals isnt as easy as had been expected, and spinners have been effective even on small grounds. Bowling second brings them even more into the game, and means Indias wont be getting the very best of any turn that is offered.


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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 11:12 am

This chap Bumrah is something else. Incredible bowler

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 11:23 am

Saffers looking really weak

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 12:13 pm

*pretends to be shocked JP Duminy is out to a spinner*
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Post by KP_fan on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 12:53 pm

India has SA in knots....and while I am happy with having tried Jadhav and assured he will be a good option in a tight chase....
Now we should get both main wrist spinners back in tandem and finish off SA for under 220.

Another encouraging sign was 3 slips given to Bumrah in first spell and even in second spell he had a slip

India shouldl not take the foot off their throat now
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Post by VTR on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 12:56 pm

JP Duminy really is South Africa's answer to Ravi Bopara

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 1:03 pm

I know Makrams not got a great ODI record but the decision to go back to Amla isnt a great one at all to me. He has just as much trouble scoring quickly and is a liability in the field. 
And once again we find that South African batsmen cannot handle spin at all. 

Looks like Indias tail is going to be irrelevant.

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 1:30 pm

Crumbs looks like your 220 target to limit SA to isnt in much danger KPF, 200 is a distance currently. 

Maybe the ICC needs to look at evening things up to give the batsmen a bit more help in this format ...too many low scoring games with easy wickets ruining it! Its pretty bonkers that England lost with a score that would've won every other game in the tournament so far, and that was well below what most had predicted they could make there.

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Post by KP_fan on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 1:41 pm

small skinny guy Chahl, I feel tires his shoulder and dropped one short in each of his penultimate & last over......conceding TWO sixes
He needs to work on strengthening his shoulder mad
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 1:43 pm

Obscure pointless TMS stat of the day.... India won the world cup in 1983 with 5 wickets from spinners. They've got that many already in this game!

Also SA have never lost 3 world cup games in a row and this is the first time in a world cup players 7,8,9 have all made 30 plus. HISTORY 

The tails wagged but its still well short. If anything Morris and co making runs shows that its not a pitch full of demons and really there isnt an excuse for such an abject failure by the top 6, they really just arent good enough.


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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 2:00 pm

KP_fan wrote:small skinny guy Chahl, I feel tires his shoulder and dropped one short in each of his penultimate & last over......conceding TWO sixes
He needs to work on strengthening his shoulder mad  


Imagine how hes gonna feel when he goes to check twitter at lunch after taken 4/51 and finds KPF slating him.

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Post by alfie on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 2:09 pm

Good fighting effort from Morris and Rabada but 220-230 ain't going to be enough...
SA to be just about out of the competition in a week ! Unless they can conjure a miracle here but even on this pitch. (Doesn't seem to be great for stroke play) can't see them rolling India .

228 to get.

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Post by KP_fan on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 2:17 pm

227-9 is what I should be very happy with and I am Very Happy
5 bowlers & esp 2 wrist spinners in middle overs did well......an unlike any other world cup ( barring 2003) India's strength is bowling .

India should win this without exposing their soft underbelly i.e longish tail.

Some nitpicking:
Chahl should strengthen shoulder and not drop balls short towards the end
Kohli should have carried with main wrist spinners without giving Phelkwayo & Morris a chance to play themselves in against Jadhav.

Pandya should be practicing a few more yorkers and I did not see him use his deceptively quick bouncer that he often gets his wickets.

Now i hope openers get a decent start 50+ atleast
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 2:22 pm

Bangladesh are pottering along quite slowly, 1 wicket down. It looks like they are taking a fairly cautious old school approach and looking to see out their 50 overs with enough runs to give the bowlers a chance of producing enough magic moments to leave them a chance to win.

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 3:05 pm

Rabada gets Dhawan early. Can South Africa make a game of it?

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 3:25 pm

Rohit has moved along to 21 but Virat hasn't really got going. South Africa not giving up, fine opening spell from Rabada, and Morris also did a good job. Can Phehlukwayo and the spinners support them well?

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 3:29 pm

Meanwhile, just when they seem to have recovered from the loss of the openers rather early, Bangladesh lost Mushfiqur Rahim to a needless run-out. Though Shakib and Mushfiqur have often batted together and engineered many of the great moments for Bangladesh cricket together, they hadn't been running all that well together. a couple of overs before Rahim got out eventually, Shakib was nearly run-out... With both Tamim Iqbal and Rahim gone, Bangladesh have their task cut out...

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 3:34 pm

Bangladesh can still make over 250 which in the context of the games so far doesn't put them fully out of it.
Seems similar with SA now...they could've got more wickets and at least have India pegged back.

Both games seem to be heading the favourites way though ....and still we wait for the game that really sparks things.

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 3:47 pm

Shakib, like in the last game, fails to kick onto a really big score just when he looked in full control. Decent delivery from De Grandhomme, excellent catch from Latham. Bangladesh's 3 big guns are all gone now, only Mahmudullah is there, and they have only 150 on the board with another 19 overs to play.

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 3:50 pm

Kohli gone to a fabulous take from Quinton de Kock. Phehlukwayo with the big strike for South Africa. India haven't really got away from the South Africans who have kept things tight, and with Kohli gone and KL Rahul only making a return to the ODI side in some time, a wicket here can bring MS out early, and beyond him the Indian batting can be a bit inconsistent.

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 4:04 pm

Mitchell Santner doing a fine job for New Zealand. Going under 3 an over. KPF, in an earlier post had observed that Santner seems to be losing out on his potential and had pointed out the loss of flight and dip. He has kept it rather flat today too, but accurate with some change in pace. And he has kept the Bangladesh batsmen in check.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 4:22 pm

Just seen a remarkable stat, since March 30 2015 no one has hit more ODI sixes than Rohit - a rather eye catching 132. Morgan is second with 103. Never would've picked that

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 4:23 pm

Rohit reaches 50. India not in any hurry, going at just under 4 nearly half way into the chase.

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 4:34 pm

India trying to create a contest out of this. Yes, South Africa have bowled with discipline, but the Indian batsmen are just plodding along. Perhaps they have collectively taken a few pages from the Dhoni book and want to take it to the last over...

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 4:37 pm

Santner, for all his efforts, gets the big wicket of Mahmudullah. Bangladesh's designated finisher just didn't get gong today, and with nearly 8 overs left, Bangladesh inching towards a rather tame finish.

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 5:06 pm

Another missed out opportunity for KL Rahul. He took his time, faced some decent bowling, moved along to 26 and then got undone. He, like Rohit, has taken up lots of balls, but unlike Sharma, Rahul then got out.
With MS now officially out in the middle, this would be finished in the 50th over now!

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Post by msp83 on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 5:22 pm

So only 244 for Bangladesh. New Zealand have a batting lineup with some depth. Bangladesh bowling is not the greatest in the world. New Zealand remain strong favorits to take this one.

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 5:25 pm

Yet both games seem to be running to script now. Theres an outside chance of surprise in both still but India and new zealand just have to keep their heads

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 5:27 pm

South Africa’s bowling attack is poor. Rabada and Morris been very good. But literally no threat from Tahir and Shamsi, the latter really isn’t an international bowler. Phulukwayo is an honest trier but he’s not gonna win his country too many matches

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 6:44 pm

Yeah Micky Arthur said that about Wahab Riaz

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 6:56 pm

Blimey where did that come from? Dunns best innings figures and first time hes taken more than 6 in a match. Handy injury crisis reserve!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 7:26 pm

Goose posting on the wrong thread there

Anyways NZ cruising this chase since that Rahim mix up behind the stumps - they look a strong side
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 7:55 pm

Whoops yep, although he'd probably improve SA if he were eligible!

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 8:53 pm

How on earth has this become a tight game! glad i checked back in ...Bangladesh could save this world cup yet

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 9:06 pm

Henry out to a full toss when the game looked won....

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 9:15 pm

Mitchell Santner brings it home batting in spectacles.

What a sport
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Post by KP_fan on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 9:15 pm

The Indians made it tighter than their fans would have liked....but this was no more than a 260 pitch....there was bounce and nip off the seam until the end.

I watched the last 6 odd overs of the BD game......but having scored 244 they look like losing easy.....but were not being blown away......ad came quite close to pulling off an amazing win.

i Reiterate...PRESSURE of world cup games a 10X more than bilateral games....and both India and nZ chasing were bogged down by this prrssure
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 9:30 pm

Yeah there was a Kane Williamson interview afterwards were he said just that. Theres some basic mistakes being made, especially by batsmen, in what should be routine chases by all sides.
There is more for bowlers in the conditions that had been expected too which is also contributing to some of the low scores but psychology will play a big part in how the competition pans out.

Still no great games but this one was one of the more exciting in the end.

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 05 Jun 2019, 9:36 pm

BBC have accidentally left their audio feed on ... whilst rehearsing the TMS podcast. Agnew is not impressed by the writing and struggling with his headphones. Waiting for him to say something notracist about Archer.

Forecast for tomorrow is good..but Fridsy could be a washout sadly. Big game for England against one of the danger sides. Pressure could play a part!


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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Thu 06 Jun 2019, 10:48 am

So reports emerging that AB de Villiers made himself available for the World Cup but cricket South Africa told him where to go.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Thu 06 Jun 2019, 10:48 am

Oshane Thomas peppering the Aussies!!!

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 06 Jun 2019, 10:59 am

Sand-peppered...

Had a feeling this might be an interesting match. Australia has only won once in England v WI (1999) and lost 4 times (twice in '75 and '83).

With the openers already gone it will be a real test for the middle and lower order.
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Post by Afro on Thu 06 Jun 2019, 11:13 am

Really enjoying this!!!

Supposed to be working but can’t drag myself away from the TV!
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu 06 Jun 2019, 11:24 am

Got to say, it’s so sad to see the Aussies playing like this.

Sad? Sorry, I meant brilliant.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu 06 Jun 2019, 11:46 am

I enjoyed it too soon and they’re gonna be fine, aren’t they?

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Post by VTR on Thu 06 Jun 2019, 11:49 am

How come Windies are allowed to bowl endless bouncers but other teams are getting called for wides?

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