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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 03 Apr 2019, 11:08 am

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 11:50 am

90 off 17. Starc's only sent down 3, I would be inclined to bring him back for a couple.

Other than him and Cummins, the bowling has been ordinary and not good enough to restrict the score or take wickets.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:00 pm

Finchy obviously being informed of this thread as he brought Starc back for the 18th. Tidy enough over only going for 4 but India won't mind that. If they can get through 20 overs of Starc and Cummins and score, say, 75 to 80 for the loss of no more than one wicket that gives them 30 overs to make hay off the rest.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:01 pm

This pitch is on the slow side yet the Aussies keep whacking it in short. The modern day Indian batsmen can play short pitch bowling. Zampa, NCN and Stoinis been a non event thus far.

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:04 pm

Hi guildford

I think this is the main weakness in this Australian squad : Starc and Cummins are thoroughbreds ...but their back up bowlers might ( a bit uncharitably perhaps) be classified as hacks. I find it hard to see how Lyon doesn't merit inclusion in the side...

India setting themselves up for a big score here. Expect the Aussies to fight back at some point but at the moment they are under a lot of pressure.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:11 pm

India playing on the template that works best for them.......the 1980s classical start slowly, don't lose wickets...especially not to oppositions best bowlers...start, milking the lesser bowlers....and then explode towards the end

This template depends heavily on one of top-3 batting through until 40th over.....and so far so good
actually its been so good with this cast & crew....all through 2 champions trophies and second world cup in a row.

275 to me would have given India 55-45 chance
and 300 would make it 80-20

for now we are looking like  on the 300 trajectory or maybe a little more....but that can change with fall of wickets...and India's no. 3 thru 5 need time to settle so wicket will slow Indian down
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:15 pm

127-1 Sharma gone

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:16 pm

Well there's the wicket ...came out of nowhere really ; but Coulter-Nile will feel much better now ; was a good over all round.

Australia certainly needed that.

Not sure I'd keep Zampa on with Kohli coming in ? Worth a quick burst of Starc or Cummins ?

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:43 pm

India not in a hurry, Virat taking his time... Australia rightly attacked him with Cummins, but Dhawan took most of the strike against him and Cummins is already done with his 7 so should be off...
And yes, he's indeed.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:46 pm

A nothing track really, flat as a road and so India would need to keep wickets, and then up the tempo really and go beyond 320. No swing, no seam, no spin, so even 320 wouldn't be safe, the biggest factor going for India would then be the scoreboard pressure in a World Cup game.
After a few balanced games and a few low scoring games, the World Cup is catching up with the degeneration...

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:47 pm

India need something closer to 350 than 300...looks like they'll get it. Very ordinary bowling from the much-vaunted Australian attack so far.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:52 pm

100 number 17 for Dhawan- third one at the Oval and averaging over 100 at the great old venue. To think they was talk about Dhawan being lucky to be selected Shocked

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Post by alfie on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:54 pm

You'd think they're on for 350 from here. Though it only takes a couple of wickets to change things...

Good hundred for Dhawan...run out attempt ends up gifting him an overthrow which is a messy way to reach the milestone but he won't care. 189/1 and Australia desperate for a wicket ...but they are really not bowling very well.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:57 pm

Ton up for Shikhar Dhawan. After 33, India are 190-1, and the skipper is warming up to the task.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 12:59 pm

Clever work and astute thinking by Kohli to get Dhawan over the line for his ton. Having dived back into his crease at the non-strikers end, he sprung up like a jack-in-the-box when the ball ricocheted off his stumps to run the single for his partner.

Edit - just seen Alfie's post on this. Yes, ''messy'' in how it came about but full credit to Kohli for not settling for having got back to safety. Always thinking and alert - I like that.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:06 pm

Starc back on, searching for a wicket. India can afford to just knock it around for singles in this spell of his.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:07 pm

Dhawan is "toying" with the bowling
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:11 pm

Althugh neither his team management nor I am in favor of altering batting orders......I am almost beginning to think today is the day to promote Pandya
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:19 pm

Carey dropped Hardik on 0

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:26 pm

Interesting call from India to sent in Pandya at 4 as Dhawan went holding out to the deep for a good 117. Think they could have stuck to the conventional lineup at this stage, its not been 40 overs yet... Hardik can destroy the spinners, and going by the last IPL, his attacking game is developing against the quicks too. But perhaps someone like Rahul could have been better at this stage, as unlike Hardik, KL would have taken a few balls to get in and then could have played his shots. Now if he's required in the last 5, perhaps he'll find it more difficult than Hardik would to go from the first ball...

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:28 pm

msp83 wrote:Interesting call from India to sent in Pandya at 4 as Dhawan went holding out to the deep for a good 117. Think they could have stuck to the conventional lineup at this stage, its not been 40 overs yet... Hardik can destroy the spinners, and going by the last IPL, his attacking game is developing against the quicks too. But perhaps someone like Rahul could have been better at this stage, as unlike Hardik, KL would have taken a few balls to get in and then could have played his shots. Now if he's required in the last 5, perhaps he'll find it more difficult than Hardik would to go from the first ball...

that is a good alternative line of logic
I have a feeling now the next man in will be Jadhav....and then Dhoni and then Rahul
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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:29 pm

India well placed at 236-2 as they are about to start the last 10. They would be hoping for 320 plus here...

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:29 pm

India made a mistake not selecting Pant. Rahul isn't a dynamic player hence why Hardik being used as a slogger

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:45 pm

Hardik opening up his shoulders, the Indians could still pile up 360

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:45 pm

KP_f's 275 surpassed with more than 6 overs left.

Even though Australia will be batting last today on the same track that was used last week, I would still have wanted 300 before thinking about being confident. It's unusual for any Oval pitch not to be helpful to the batsmen plus the outfield is fast and the ground is large enabling ones to become twos, etc.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:46 pm

Mature so far from Hardik. He hasn't tried to smash Zampa to oblivion. He He has moved on to 41 in no time, so it has to be said the move has worked...

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:49 pm

293/2 with 5 overs left. Even more concerningly for Australia, 2 of them have to be sent down by Alfie's hacks. Smile

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:51 pm

Finch not leaving Starc and Cummins purely for the end, trying to get a wicket and slow things down. But Hardik and Kohli up to the task...

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:56 pm

So 300 up in the 46th. Cummins bowling out. Starc has 2 more to go...

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:58 pm

Pandya missed out on a 50, gone for 48 of just 27. Think he should just have been a bit more careful there, he already had a boundary for that over and Kohli could have handled Cummins better, and Hardik could have utterly ruined Zampa or Maxwell or Stoinus…

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 1:59 pm

msp83 wrote:Pandya missed out on a 50, gone for 48 of just 27. Think he should just have been a bit more careful there, he already had a boundary for that over and Kohli could have handled Cummins better, and Hardik could have utterly ruined Zampa or Maxwell or Stoinus…

you want Pandya to bat like manjrekar after he has scored 48 off 26 Very Happy
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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 2:00 pm

MS in at his usual 5. Should they have gone for Jadhav or Rahul instead? Though he keeps turning the clock from time to time, MS is not the same destructor that he once was and needs some time to get going usually.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 2:02 pm

KP_fan wrote:
msp83 wrote:Pandya missed out on a 50, gone for 48 of just 27. Think he should just have been a bit more careful there, he already had a boundary for that over and Kohli could have handled Cummins better, and Hardik could have utterly ruined Zampa or Maxwell or Stoinus…

you want Pandya to bat like manjrekar after he has scored 48 off 26 Very Happy
No KPF, think he could have been even more destructive to someone like Zampa even more than Virat, or Rahul or MS...

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 2:10 pm

Only 9 of that Stoinis over. This is what I was saying KPF. Hardik could have really smashed him... Not that 9 is bad from the over, but a little bit of smart batting might have meant it would have been even better. On these flat roads, you really need as many runs as possible.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 2:16 pm

With 27 of 14, Dhoni did his job there. Didn't plod along to start with, was attacking from ball one.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 2:21 pm

82 of 77 for the skipper. And he played most of that innings only in accumulation mode! One didn't even notice his first 40 runs.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 2:23 pm

India get 115 runs in last 10.....total of 352 runss......well above par...because India hit all upsides.....hundred from opener.....50+ from top-3.....Pandya does what his role is and Dhoni delivers almost 2 runs a ball cameo

it's not impossible for Aus.....but very close to impossible Very Happy


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Post by msp83 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 2:24 pm

India finish with 352. They scored 116-3 in the last 10.
This is a road of a pitch, just the boundaries are decent enough. But everything else is designed for the batsmen. So Indian bowlers can't relax at all. If Warner, Finch, Smith or Maxwell get going seriously, Australia will still be able to get there. Dificult, but by no means impossible.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 2:25 pm

The change up deliveries into the pitch seems the way to go. Starc was poor. Bumrah is India's weapon

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 2:26 pm

300 wouldn't have been enough, but 352 surely is. A very imposing marker laid down by the Indian batsmen should they come up against Australia again in either the semi-finals or the final.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 2:58 pm

Warner inside edges on to his stumps and the bails didn’t even budge.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 3:16 pm

Fifth time it's happened apparently; starting to become an issue. If Warner goes on to score a match winning 130, I imagine the BCCI will explode with fury.

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 3:20 pm

Surely India massive favourites despite the bails after some slow scoring overs from Aus.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 3:24 pm

Strange tactics by the Aussies, not attacking Kumar or Bumrah. Unless they are confident in mauling Kuldeep and Chahal this could be a trashing

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 3:25 pm

Finch survived a missed run out.

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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 3:26 pm

Duty281 wrote:Fifth time it's happened apparently; starting to become an issue. If Warner goes on to score a match winning 130, I imagine the BCCI will explode with fury.

Are they not the bails they designed for IPL and insisted were used for the WC?

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 3:28 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Fifth time it's happened apparently; starting to become an issue. If Warner goes on to score a match winning 130, I imagine the BCCI will explode with fury.

Are they not the bails they designed for IPL and insisted were used for the WC?
Thought these bails where designed in Australia for the BBL? Before the IPL joined the party

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 3:30 pm

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Strange tactics by the Aussies, not attacking Kumar or Bumrah. Unless they are confident in mauling Kuldeep and Chahal this could be a trashing

Certainly strange to see Warner 9 off 26!

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 3:32 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Fifth time it's happened apparently; starting to become an issue. If Warner goes on to score a match winning 130, I imagine the BCCI will explode with fury.

Are they not the bails they designed for IPL and insisted were used for the WC?

Don't know, to be honest. Interesting point, though. Might not explode with fury if that's the case!

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 3:41 pm

Pandya getting whacked, seems like the Aussies have woken up

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 09 Jun 2019, 3:53 pm

Finch runs himself out 61-1

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