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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 10 Apr 2019, 1:38 pm

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Not really "Notes" this week, just the start of a Masters thread.

There's increasingly little new to say about The Masters, for the most part there's not much new to say about the field, the most likely contenders, or even the course.

The old habit of picking the winner via a process of elimination and seeing who is left when the music stops seems to result in the same cast of characters year after year, largely because nothing much changes.
This year I suppose the emergence of DeChambeau adds some scientific interest, there's the bizarre weight loss by Brooks Koepka, Jordan Spieth's loss of form, and always the breathless anticipation to see what outfit Tiger Woods is burdened with.

But Justin Rose has only been out of the Top 14 once (T25) in the past eight Masters, he's in good form, his mate Fooch is back on the bag and you'd think he'll be more focused than ever.

If not Justin, WHO?

Dustin Johnson and Rory have 8 x Top Tens between them in their past nine appearances, both are in great form and I'm going to go for the winner from those three no matter how hard I try.

But something a little more sporty: How about Thursday's 10.42 a.m. tee time with Charley Hoffman, Oosthuizen and Leishman playing together - any one of them, perhaps all three should be great each way investments.

Then there's Team GB which hasn't been as strong for 30 years, and is deeper than ever. Casey, Fitz, Tommy & Poults join Justin & Rory, with Hatton, Eddie Pepp and Matt Wallace (leading rookie?) all improving fast.  

Best rank outsider? Corey Conners played as an amateur a few years ago, dusted off an opening 80 with a second round 69 and won a ballsy victory in Texas.

There's so much written about The Masters elsewhere, that I'll leave it at that, except to say the weather is a bit iffy, rain earlier this week, and breezy with chance of thunderstorms thru the weekend.

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Post by McLaren on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:07 pm

Bertie

You make a good case but on here you will get little agreement for that sentiment. I however, probably agree with you. Right now I can't think of a better comeback, especially when you factor in the loss of ability as well.
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Post by Diggers on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:15 pm

It’s certainly up there in terms of comebacks, Leonard beating Hagler wasn’t bad mind you.

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Post by GPB on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:15 pm

Greatest Comeback?  some hyperbole there, because IMO, it is not even the greatest comeback in golf.  It might not even be the 2nd best comeback in golf.

70 years ago Ben Hogan got hit by a Greyhound bus, came very close to dying and went on to win 6 Majors Majors, including 3 Majors in 1953.  

Hogan's Mangled Cadillac:
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Babe Zaharias won the 1954 US Women's Open by 12 shots, one month after colon cancer surgery and while wearing a colonoscopy bag.  She died about 26 month after the USWO win

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:18 pm

McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:What a story. Somewhere in Scotland, a man is punching himself repeatedly in the face...

Not sure how kwini will be doing...


You're right Mac, wish I'd watched the Liverpool game.

But he outplayed everyone, let all within touching distance beat themselves. And he did it mostly, today anyway, without the usual miracle shot or putt, just grinded it out while so many drowned on #12. That must be when he knew he didn't need to do anything special.

Who else is a candidate for best comeback? Hogan obviously, arguably a handful of Busby Babes, especially Charlton & Foulkes.

Well done Tiger, second best goat.

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:21 pm

HISTORIC!!! Privileged to witness greatness again!

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Post by McLaren on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:23 pm

The thing with Tiger is that his personal life and mental state were also a mess. He also lost his ability to be good, while the other comebacks mentioned "just" had injuries but they still had the highest level performance.
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Post by McLaren on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:30 pm

Golf doesn't become the days top story unless Tiger wins a major.

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:38 pm

First major Tiger's won since Twitter has been invented haha!

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Post by sirbenson on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:38 pm

First major Tiger's won since Twitter has been invented haha!

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:47 pm

McLaren wrote:The thing with Tiger is that his personal life and mental state were also a mess. He also lost his ability to be good, while the other comebacks mentioned "just" had injuries but they still had the highest level performance.


Mac,
Why give him credit for getting "his personal life and mental state" in a shambles? That's a back-to-front mentality. Strangely typical though, we spend a fortune in this crappy little State on helping those ensnared in the opioid crisis, but almost nothing on programmes and policies that might have prevented them in the first place at a tenth of the cost - that's the sort of tripe you're also pushing.

Having said which, unlike the Tiger fan boys, some of us never wrote him off.

Now he has Bethpage, where he's won, and Pebble Beach, where he's won and Portrush where no-one's won since Max Faulkner . . . . . . .

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Post by Diggers on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 8:55 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:What a story. Somewhere in Scotland, a man is punching himself repeatedly in the face...

Not sure how kwini will be doing...


You're right Mac, wish I'd watched the Liverpool game.

But he outplayed everyone, let all within touching distance beat themselves. And he did it mostly, today anyway, without the usual miracle shot or putt, just grinded it out while so many drowned on #12. That must be when he knew he didn't need to do anything special.

Who else is a candidate for best comeback? Hogan obviously, arguably a handful of Busby Babes, especially Charlton & Foulkes.

Well done Tiger, second best goat.

Bit harsh, Id say the shot at 16 was pretty special, particularly with the timing. That’s where he grabbed the tournament by the throat. He had to win it, without those back to back birdies late on he’s still just in the mix.

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Post by Diggers on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 9:04 pm

What wasn’t a surprise was seeing Mr supposedly Cojones Poulter fail to deliver on the last day of a major, he must have as poor a record as anyone when it comes to dropping out of contention. He was obviously very excited that Tiger won though, probably earned biggest arse kids of the day award, clearly lining himself up for a career as a Sky pundit.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 9:29 pm

No interview with Tiger on the BBC, does anyone know if Sky got one?

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 9:36 pm

Diggers wrote:What wasn’t a surprise was seeing Mr supposedly Cojones Poulter fail to deliver on the last day of a major, he must have as poor a record as anyone when it comes to dropping out of contention. He was obviously very excited that Tiger won though, probably earned biggest arse kids of the day award, clearly lining himself up for a career as a Sky pundit.


At least Poults got into contention, unlike the rest, conducting their very own Masters Brexit.

Would think Poulter & Justin Harding are the only top twelve finishers who might possibly not otherwise qualify for 2020, shame neither of the great Danes made it.

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Post by Shotrock on Sun 14 Apr 2019, 9:52 pm

Tiger is the goat IMO, but not the most accomplished, to be sure.

That was one great afternoon of professional major golf.


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Post by super_realist on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 7:43 am

Credit to Woods for his win before anyone accuses me of being curmudgeonly.

Thankfully I was out playing golf and missed every single second of it.

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Post by pedro on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 8:43 am

4 consecutive players in the drink on 12, incl. Poults, Brooks, Molinari, Finau. Was it the wind or what happened?

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Post by Diggers on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 8:46 am

Not quite consecutive, Woods was sandwiched between Molinari and Finau. Wind was apparently gusting though.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 9:42 am

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Love him or loathe him but there's no debate about it Tiger Woods is the best there's ever been.
Nonsense. Of course there's debate about it.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 9:58 am

No name Bertie wrote:Tiger Woods winning (15th Major) has to be the greatest comeback in sporting history.  He has been through hell and back - his personal life went down the plughole, his public persona took a nosedise, his body crumbled to pieces, the next generation of superphysical athletic golfers appeared.  The determination to keep going despite all of this is an example of the type of mindset all time great champions bring to their sport.
This is the sort of absurd hoopla I've been dreading. Sure many journalists will need new underwear.

It was an excellent win and his golf (couple of tee shots excepted) was totally under control. No thrashing the skin off the ball. Well within himself and putting excellent all week. An outstanding player, playing well again. I enjoyed watching it.

However, I think everyone sometimes forgets just how good he was circa. 2000-2005/6. If he's fit now, it's not surprising he can compete. His personal problems were entirely of his own doing and as for his back, he had 3 probable misdiagnoses and then a correct one, followed by hardly earth shattering surgery to fix it.

Greatest sporting comeback? More wet dream nonsense. How about, just off the top of my head, Niki Lauda in '76? Burnt to a crisp and back racing having only missed two GP. Or Hogan getting mashed in a head-on with a bus, before laying waste to everyone on a golf course? Seriously, I'm glad Woods is competing at the top again, but can we we just have a little perspective?

McLaren wrote:The thing with Tiger is that his personal life and mental state were also a mess. He also lost his ability to be good, while the other comebacks mentioned "just" had injuries but they still had the highest level performance.
Laugh Just how is it that you know what mental issues people like Lauda or Hogan had? Lauda admitted to being scared sh!tless getting back in an F1 car again.
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Post by Diggers on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 10:05 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:Tiger Woods winning (15th Major) has to be the greatest comeback in sporting history.  He has been through hell and back - his personal life went down the plughole, his public persona took a nosedise, his body crumbled to pieces, the next generation of superphysical athletic golfers appeared.  The determination to keep going despite all of this is an example of the type of mindset all time great champions bring to their sport.
This is the sort of absurd hoopla I've been dreading. Sure many journalists will need new underwear.

It was an excellent win and his golf (couple of tee shots excepted) was totally under control. No thrashing the skin off the ball. Well within himself and putting excellent all week. An outstanding player, playing well again. I enjoyed watching it.

However, I think everyone sometimes forgets just how good he was circa. 2000-2005/6. If he's fit now, it's not surprising he can compete. His personal problems were entirely of his own doing and as for his back, he had 3 probable misdiagnoses and then a correct one, followed by hardly earth shattering surgery to fix it.

Greatest sporting comeback? More wet dream nonsense. How about, just off the top of my head, Niki Lauda in '76? Burnt to a crisp and back racing having only missed two GP. Or Hogan getting mashed in a head-on with a bus, before laying waste to everyone on a golf course? Seriously, I'm glad Woods is competing at the top again, but can we we just have a little perspective?

McLaren wrote:The thing with Tiger is that his personal life and mental state were also a mess. He also lost his ability to be good, while the other comebacks mentioned "just" had injuries but they still had the highest level performance.
Laugh Just how is it that you know what mental issues people like Lauda or Hogan had? Lauda admitted to being scared sh!tless getting back in an F1 car again.

Navy, you know full well we aren’t allowed to count F1 as a sport.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 10:40 am

Thought I'd pop by and see how much humble pie was being scoffed. Usual suspects barely able to squeeze out anything complimentary. Plus ca change. Fair play to the lad, he certainly proved some know-it-alls dead wrong. Luckily the're big enough to admit they were wrong and Tiger can now be considered one of the greatest golfers to have lived.
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Post by McLaren on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 12:21 pm

I am sensing that there is not the love for Tiger on here that you will find if you only pay attention to golf via golf journalism. This kind of reminds me of 1997 when as juniors me and a few others had stayed over at someones house to watch Tiger win and came into the club the next week only to have that joy utterly wiped out by the douches in the club bar. And it was pretty obvious that had he been a white British player the mood would have been very different.

It seemed a given then, as it still does now, that Tiger is the most exciting player the game has ever seen with an ability to entertain sports fans like no other player ever has. This is not however the vibe you get from a certain vintage of golfer who has never and will never warm to Tiger. Why did this board have to be full of you guys?


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The marital problems may have been his own doing but I hope you are not saying that those caught up in the US opioid crisis have brought that upon themselves?

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Post by McLaren on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 1:54 pm

Weirdly there is so much interest in Tigers win everywhere but on this golf forum.

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Post by McLaren on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 1:55 pm

The biggest story in golf since the Tiger Slam happened and I am talking to myself on here. This place is dead.
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Post by Davie on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 2:03 pm

You're just not saying anything interesting

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 2:07 pm

You'd better do something to liven things up, Mac.

Interesting though that most of those who are not necessarily mega-Tiger fans are not surprised by this win, yet those who are his biggest fans had long since written him off.
So not that big a story for me, extraordinary though a 15th Major is, for anybody.

Plus: I don't find Woods any more exciting to watch than McIlroy or Mickelson, probably less so given his (to me) unattractive "personality".

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Post by McLaren on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 2:08 pm

What, people only post if I say something interesting. This place really is in trouble.

Hint, Tiger just won a major. Maybe start there.
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Post by MontysMerkin on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 2:13 pm

McLaren wrote:What, people only post if I say something interesting. This place really is in trouble.

Hint, Tiger just won a major. Maybe start there.
Wind your neck in Mac, people don't like being shown to be wrong. It shatters their belief in what else the've got arse about face.
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Post by McLaren on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 2:35 pm

Jack won 8 of his 18 majors when he was aged between 32 and 42, the same years where Tiger was suffering mental trauma, physical trauma or substance abuse. His fault or not Tiger has 15 majors despite not being "allowed" to play to his full potential during the years usually considered a golfers prime.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 2:51 pm

McLaren wrote:Jack won 8 of his 18 majors when he was aged between 32 and 42, the same years where Tiger was suffering mental trauma, physical trauma or substance abuse.  His fault or not Tiger has 15 majors despite not being "allowed" to play to his full potential during the years usually considered a golfers prime.


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It's just great that he's enjoyed repeated second chances, and finally made the most of the last one.

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Post by Shotrock on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 3:06 pm

Many on this board took such immense delight in Tiger's fall from grace over the years -- weekly postings on where he is in the world rankings, constant name calling, bringing up his every other year exhibition event record at the drop of a hat -- that they may be at a loss at the moment.

While this win has a great backstory, it's hardly a surprise given his victory late last year in Atlanta against a very strong (but small) field and his strong finish at the Open.

I found Molanari's post tournament comment about his eagerness to get that bogey under his belt a bit strange. But, can't argue with his recent successes.

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Post by McLaren on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 3:15 pm

Molinari failed to work out what the wind was doing and adequately adapt his shots to take account of it. Bad wind management at 7 (drive taken by wind), 12, 15, 16 (stayed out water by a foot or so) and then game over.



It will be overlooked but Tigers putt at 9 was the one that won it for him. 3 putts or worse from there was the most likely outcome but he avoided all stress before the back nine at gave himself a 3 inch tap in.
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Post by McLaren on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 3:17 pm

Shotrock wrote:While this win has a great backstory, it's hardly a surprise given his victory late last year in Atlanta against a very strong (but small) field and his strong finish at the Open.

I was one of those that didn't think he would win a major again but I had to admit this to myself through sadness about Tigers situation and obviously took no glee from his troubles. I was genuinely surprised that he managed to win yesterday. Best day watching golf since June 2008.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 3:24 pm

Shotrock wrote:Many on this board took such immense delight in Tiger's fall from grace over the years -- weekly postings on where he is in the world rankings, constant name calling, bringing up his every other year exhibition event record at the drop of a hat -- that they may be at a loss at the moment.

While this win has a great backstory, it's hardly a surprise given his victory late last year in Atlanta against a very strong (but small) field and his strong finish at the Open.

I found Molanari's post tournament comment about his eagerness to get that bogey under his belt a bit strange. But, can't argue with his recent successes.


But it was guys like Sr and Mac who were so sure he was done. And this thread, for one, never took any more delight on his fall from grace than his initial ascendancy. And the world ranking obsession was pretty much driven by the golfing "professionals" breathlessly feeding princedrac's twitter account with up to date requests for more about his rankings fall.

Personally, I reckon his Ryder Cup record relative to his individual success speaks volumes about him. He doesn't care about "team" and that's just fine - don't pretend you do.

A wonderful win for sure, but so was Reed's, Sergio's, Danny Willett's.

Didn't see the comments by Molinari, but feel he'd've been much better served with playing as a twosome with Tiger.

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Post by Shotrock on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 3:32 pm

Mac -- Good call on the putt on #9. It was pretty amazing, as was his tee shot on #16. The drive on #18 must have been pretty intimidating for someone who's been known to really spray his tee shots. It looks even more narrow in person than it seems to on TV.

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Post by Diggers on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 3:39 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:
Shotrock wrote:Many on this board took such immense delight in Tiger's fall from grace over the years -- weekly postings on where he is in the world rankings, constant name calling, bringing up his every other year exhibition event record at the drop of a hat -- that they may be at a loss at the moment.

While this win has a great backstory, it's hardly a surprise given his victory late last year in Atlanta against a very strong (but small) field and his strong finish at the Open.

I found Molanari's post tournament comment about his eagerness to get that bogey under his belt a bit strange. But, can't argue with his recent successes.


But it was guys like Sr and Mac who were so sure he was done. And this thread, for one, never took any more delight on his fall from grace than his initial ascendancy. And the world ranking obsession was pretty much driven by the golfing "professionals" breathlessly feeding princedrac's twitter account with up to date requests for more about his rankings fall.

Personally, I reckon his Ryder Cup record relative to his individual success speaks volumes about him. He doesn't care about "team" and that's just fine - don't pretend you do.

A wonderful win for sure, but so was Reed's, Sergio's, Danny Willett's.

Didn't see the comments by Molinari, but feel he'd've been much better served with playing as a twosome with Tiger.

I think the RC thing is a convenient stick to beat him with, he didn’t have to play the Presidents and he did, always did well. In terms of a personal team he was largely loyal to Butch and Steve, certainly long term relationships. Maybe it just hasn’t worked out for him, even if he doesn’t play his best golf as a pair in the RC, I don’t really see why that should speak volumes about him as a person. It’s just an easy conclusion to jump to.



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Post by Shotrock on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 3:43 pm

Agree 100% Diggers.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 4:07 pm

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by McLaren on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 4:11 pm

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I am not sure you have ever fully explained why you dislike Tiger so much but you are certainly not as anti Tiger as many on here. If I post about anti Tiger sentiment it's not you I am targeting.

Although given how readily you brushed over segios errors over the years I am left wondering what it is that Tiger has done that is so unforgiveable? Letting yourself revel in Tigers great moments could have provided you with some of the most exhilarating golfing spectator experiences.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 4:20 pm

Mac,

I just don't like divas, whether it's Tiger or Serena or Beckham or Asange or ARod or Citeh or Chelsea, or even the "leader" of the western world - and take your pick whether that person is in the White House or the Kremlin. All the sycophancy just makes it worse.

I DO think Sergio is stupid, don't think he's quite as covered with tar as you'd like to make out, but he's certainly getting worse, not better.


One thing that continues to be true, whether at Augusta or Habour Town (drac's first pass suggests 60 x owgr pts to the winner which is a LOT! is the value of course knowledge, epitomised by the way Tiger played #7, #15 and #16 yesterday. Probably the difference between TDub and the posse yesterday.

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Post by beninho on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 4:24 pm

I thought woods was done for. But last seasons win and challenges at the British open and the uspga, showed he could contend, do the win isn't a surprise.

Is he likeable? This must be a reason people dislike him. He is hard to shine to, but he is also deliberately guarded when interviewed. He has a lot of respect and seems genuinely liked by other players. But them Mcilroy serms very likeable and people don't like him either.

Anyway, a great win, and gives golf a good story. Still, eadily the biggest name in the sport.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 4:34 pm

McLaren wrote:I am sensing that there is not the love for Tiger on here that you will find if you only pay attention to golf via golf journalism.  This kind of reminds me of 1997 when as juniors me and a few others had stayed over at someones house to watch Tiger win and came into the club the next week only to have that joy utterly wiped out by the douches in the club bar. And it was pretty obvious that had he been a white British player the mood would have been very different.

It seemed a given then, as it still does now, that Tiger is the most exciting player the game has ever seen with an ability to entertain sports fans like no other player ever has.  This is not however the vibe you get from a certain vintage of golfer who has never and will never warm to Tiger.  Why did this board have to be full of you guys?


Navy

The marital problems may have been his own doing but I hope you are not saying that those caught up in the US opioid crisis have brought that upon themselves?

picard No surprise though. If you accuse me of being racist again, I'll ban you.

Some opioid addicts do indeed bring it on themselves, Mac. Hate to break it to you.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 4:35 pm

McLaren wrote:Weirdly there is so much interest in Tigers win everywhere but on this golf forum.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 4:35 pm

Davie wrote:You're just not saying anything interesting
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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 4:36 pm

MontysMerkin wrote:
McLaren wrote:What, people only post if I say something interesting. This place really is in trouble.

Hint, Tiger just won a major. Maybe start there.
Wind your neck in Mac, people don't like being shown to be wrong. It shatters their belief in what else the've got arse about face.
Monty, why did you bother posting here again? I see you're still the same person as before. Watch the door on the way out...
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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 4:38 pm

McLaren wrote:Jack won 8 of his 18 majors when he was aged between 32 and 42, the same years where Tiger was suffering mental trauma, physical trauma or substance abuse.  His fault or not Tiger has 15 majors despite not being "allowed" to play to his full potential during the years usually considered a golfers prime.
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Post by McLaren on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 5:13 pm

Navy

What the hell is going on here? You threaten to chuck me for something I didn't do and have a go at someone for returning to the board?

I think you owe Monty and apology.
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Post by Diggers on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 5:33 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Mac,

I just don't like divas, whether it's Tiger or Serena or Beckham or Asange or ARod or Citeh or Chelsea, or even the "leader" of the western world - and take your pick whether that person is in the White House or the Kremlin. All the sycophancy just makes it worse.

I DO think Sergio is stupid, don't think he's quite as covered with tar as you'd like to make out, but he's certainly getting worse, not better.


One thing that continues to be true, whether at Augusta or Habour Town (drac's first pass suggests 60 x owgr pts to the winner which is a LOT! is the value of course knowledge, epitomised by the way Tiger played #7, #15 and #16 yesterday. Probably the difference between TDub and the posse yesterday.

I think perception can be an issue when someone is as famous as the people you mention. Can’t speak for the others but I looked after the IT for David Gardner’s PR company, for 4 years, he’s Beckham’s best mate and did his U.K. publicity. He was a rubbish publicist but a nice guy, it was clear he got the gig as he was David’s best buddy. I met Beckham a good few times around the office, this was at the height of his press hysteria, was only a small firm. He was among the least divaish of all the famous people I worked around (as was Spielberg, to do a big name drop, very polite man). Beckham was polite, amusing, never full of himself and always seemed to be trying to put others at ease. The complete opposite of a diva as far as I’m concerned. The diva types were usually, in my experience, the way less famous people.
That said, he’s done some daft things and had his moments, as would anyone under constant media scrutiny. Now he sought that media coverage so can’t really complain, I don’t think Woods ever did, but he must be among the most recognisable people on the planet.
I guess what I’m saying is, a. People aren’t always what you might assume and b. Hard to judge when you can have no idea (even as the second most famous golfer) what Woods life under that kind of scrutiny was like.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 15 Apr 2019, 5:54 pm

Well said Digs, I'm sure that's right. And I know I've snarked about Beckham before and been shot down.

But all we have to go by is perception and that's usually via the media.

And perception is then in the eye of the beholder. Why do I find Nicklaus and Luke Donald come across as a perfectly decent bloke, but Miller and Paul Casey as smug, self-serving pr1cks? The reverse could well be true, I most certainly don't know!

But I DO think Woods laps up the publicity he's earned; he could certainly come across as more approachable.


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