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Post by No9 on Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:03 pm

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Well we are nearing the end of the normal season and going into the knock out stages, and thanks to Premier Sports I can know say with confidence that my earlier prediction has materialised and the day has killed the Pro14.

They promised 1 game on FreeSports every week. Well unless you follow Zebre or the Kings you’ve not had that game. The Ospreys have not had one game shown on FreeSports. As for free to air coverage on S4C that has also been hit or miss, with them banning the red button English cometary, and again covering games with little interest.

So , since the conception of the league, this is the first season I’ve not been able to follow with interest. No (little) live coverage of games, no magazine show I’ve been able to watch to keep up with the league. I’ve managed to get to minimum Ospreys home games this season, due to family commitments. Basically, only rugby I’ve been able to follow has been the 6 Nations.

Thanks, Pro14, you played a stormer selling out. Enjoy the cash injection it brought, as it won’t last...

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Post by bsando on Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:45 pm

I wish they had a season deal rather than the £10 a month deal it’s at currently. Next season I’m just planning to duck in and out of my subscription to get the games I want to see. 

Personally I miss the bbc Alba coverage of Scottish home games, liked the programme they had and the halftime interviews/VT’s with players and staff.

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Post by tigertattie on Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:52 pm

I just hate the graphics and horrible background music that gets played when the adverts have stopped but they arent ready to return to the program yet!
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Post by miaow on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:29 pm

marty2086 wrote:You obviously haven't watched any of Treviso this season, the SA teams joining was mess because of how it had to come about

Wrrrrrroonnnggg. They're a good team, but 9 years in, you'd hope they (and Italy) would be better than they are. Undoubtedly the shake-up in the Champions Cup qualification set them back years, and now they're starting to recover, but they're not world beaters. A decent team but still too many project players for anyone's liking. Zebre are very poor.

(although, technically, you're correct - I haven't watched Treviso this season because they don't exist anymore...!)

marty2086 wrote:This makes no sense at all, you obviously don't watch the games as the presenting teams differ depending on where the game is played. There are Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish hosting teams. PremierSports doesn't air in RoI, eirSports present the games there presented by Tommy Bowe...this is all basic stuff maybe you should try listening yourself or just doing some basic research rather than making stuff up as you go along  Rolling Eyes

It literally does make sense. On the BBC, you'd have BBC Wales doing home coverage of, say, Scarlets at home to Ulster, with BBC NI presenting and broadcasting to an NI'ish audience from their Belfast studio, then using the BBC-wide filming etc. So, in short, a split within the same 'company'/broadcasting team. I've seen games of Premier Sports using Irish broadcasters - the lispy/posh commentator who commentated on RTE for years, for instance, along with Shane Horgan a lot of the time. When using 'free' streams, I've found the same coverage under different channels - Irish and then UK broadcasts. If that's changed midway through the season (I see the lacklustre Eddie Butler used more often now, sounds like he can barely be bothered to watch let alone commentate) maybe it was teething problems. That said, it was very, very surprising to see the Irish-centric marketing and prioritisation of Irish games on Premier Sports, when apparently it's not even broadcasting in Ireland? Not making stuff up at all though. If Premier Sports is solely a British and NI'ish set-up, and not simply partnered with EIRSports, it's very, very surprising to see them use so many ROI'ish journalists/pundits/commentators, particularly when not even in Ireland. Seems like they're not really after the UK market? Strange...

marty2086 wrote:Can you show any evidence of the Irish pushing for a move into the American market? Also not sure what PremierSports have to do with any of that

You not understanding seems to be a common thing tbh.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/pro12/pro12-plans-for-us-expansion-continue-to-face-tough-challenges-1.3087565

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/ireland-to-return-to-chicago-in-november-1.3496434

Hint: try listening.[/quote]

marty2086 wrote:You didn't answer anything, instead you asked questions and it was still Swansea who were more expensive.

Frankly, I'm not even sure you're being disingenuous. You're just straight up dense if you don't understand the point being made...

marty2086 wrote:Especially when I referred to Ulster but you counter with Leinster?

Oh right. So it's not about Wales and the Pro14 in general. It's all about you and NI. Great... Rolling Eyes

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Post by miaow on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:35 pm

marty2086 wrote:If that's the case then why were fans disappearing when it was on terrestrial tv?

All sorts of reasons: the regions are historically tricky/cack-handed. There's not much money in Wales. There's no many people in Wales. Culture's changing, 'more' to do, loss of community, young people leave Wales to either go to cities and/or England. The teams themselves aren't competing at the top tier - when they did, Scarlets sold out their stadium + extra seats. All sorts of reasons - adding the removal of rugby from free to air TV is likely to hasten its demise among communities.

marty2086 wrote:Why is it that's still on terrestrial tv to a similar level in Wales as it was before yet apparently PremierSports is killing it?

First half of this sentence is really, really hard to understand. I honestly can't even have a stab at answering it as I can't decipher what you're saying.

marty2086 wrote:How exactly does clubs struggling to pay bills and threatening to go bust benefit rugby exactly? Or is all that interest and goodwill going to pay the bills?

It doesn't. Bit of a stretch there, marty boi.

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Post by miaow on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:38 pm

bsando wrote:I wish they had a season deal rather than the £10 a month deal it’s at currently. Next season I’m just planning to duck in and out of my subscription to get the games I want to see. 

Personally I miss the bbc Alba coverage of Scottish home games, liked the programme they had and the halftime interviews/VT’s with players and staff.

Important point as well. Eejits like...well...eejit...are exactly the kind of person you don't want in charge anything relating to sport or culture. Sport means next to nothing if you remove what it's actually about - representative competition. It's a fantastic way to introduce young people and learners to the countries' mother tongues, as well, because it's often repetitive/secondary to the action, so people pick it up without it feeling like an 'effort'. Can't believe that even needs to be said: if you'd prefer added time multi ball coverage over watching rugby in the actual language of your country, you're dense.

Eejit wrote:The BBC coverage was half-arsed, low budget, not in HD and in languages nobody understands. I know you don't want to admit it LD, but the subscription model is sustainable and it is working.

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Post by LordDowlais on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm

miaow wrote:It literally does make sense. On the BBC, you'd have BBC Wales doing home coverage of, say, Scarlets at home to Ulster, with BBC NI presenting and broadcasting to an NI'ish audience from their Belfast studio, then using the BBC-wide filming etc. So, in short, a split within the same 'company'/broadcasting team. I've seen games of Premier Sports using Irish broadcasters - the lispy/posh commentator who commentated on RTE for years, for instance, along with Shane Horgan a lot of the time. When using 'free' streams, I've found the same coverage under different channels - Irish and then UK broadcasts. If that's changed midway through the season (I see the lacklustre Eddie Butler used more often now, sounds like he can barely be bothered to watch let alone commentate) maybe it was teething problems. That said, it was very, very surprising to see the Irish-centric marketing and prioritisation of Irish games on Premier Sports, when apparently it's not even broadcasting in Ireland? Not making stuff up at all though. If Premier Sports is solely a British and NI'ish set-up, and not simply partnered with EIRSports, it's very, very surprising to see them use so many ROI'ish journalists/pundits/commentators, particularly when not even in Ireland. Seems like they're not really after the UK market? Strange...

Thats a very good point actually. If Premier Sports was supposed to be aimed at the British market, then why do they prioritise the 4 Irish provinces over all the other teams ?

Why do we get a highlights show that gives 30mins to the Irish sides, and 30mins to everybody else ?

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Post by LordDowlais on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:46 pm

miaow wrote:
bsando wrote:I wish they had a season deal rather than the £10 a month deal it’s at currently. Next season I’m just planning to duck in and out of my subscription to get the games I want to see. 

Personally I miss the bbc Alba coverage of Scottish home games, liked the programme they had and the halftime interviews/VT’s with players and staff.

Important point as well. Eejits like...well...eejit...are exactly the kind of person you don't want in charge anything relating to sport or culture. Sport means next to nothing if you remove what it's actually about - representative competition. It's a fantastic way to introduce young people and learners to the countries' mother tongues, as well, because it's often repetitive/secondary to the action, so people pick it up without it feeling like an 'effort'. Can't believe that even needs to be said: if you'd prefer added time multi ball coverage over watching rugby in the actual language of your country, you're dense.

Eejit wrote:The BBC coverage was half-arsed, low budget, not in HD and in languages nobody understands. I know you don't want to admit it LD, but the subscription model is sustainable and it is working.

Yep, Eejit should have checked that BBC Wales and S4C are both HD channels. Also, if you did not like the Welsh language commentary you could use the red button option, which as a fluid Welsh speaker I never used, but the option was there, but to say that nobody understands the language is another silly comment to make.

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Post by marty2086 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:53 pm

miaow wrote:
marty2086 wrote:You obviously haven't watched any of Treviso this season, the SA teams joining was mess because of how it had to come about

Wrrrrrroonnnggg. They're a good team, but 9 years in, you'd hope they (and Italy) would be better than they are. Undoubtedly the shake-up in the Champions Cup qualification set them back years, and now they're starting to recover, but they're not world beaters. A decent team but still too many project players for anyone's liking. Zebre are very poor.

(although, technically, you're correct - I haven't watched Treviso this season because they don't exist anymore...!)

So now they need to be world beaters? The fact they currently sit above some very good teams is meaningless Rolling Eyes

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marty2086 wrote:This makes no sense at all, you obviously don't watch the games as the presenting teams differ depending on where the game is played. There are Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish hosting teams. PremierSports doesn't air in RoI, eirSports present the games there presented by Tommy Bowe...this is all basic stuff maybe you should try listening yourself or just doing some basic research rather than making stuff up as you go along  Rolling Eyes

It literally does make sense. On the BBC, you'd have BBC Wales doing home coverage of, say, Scarlets at home to Ulster, with BBC NI presenting and broadcasting to an NI'ish audience from their Belfast studio, then using the BBC-wide filming etc. So, in short, a split within the same 'company'/broadcasting team. I've seen games of Premier Sports using Irish broadcasters - the lispy/posh commentator who commentated on RTE for years, for instance, along with Shane Horgan a lot of the time. When using 'free' streams, I've found the same coverage under different channels - Irish and then UK broadcasts. If that's changed midway through the season (I see the lacklustre Eddie Butler used more often now, sounds like he can barely be bothered to watch let alone commentate) maybe it was teething problems. That said, it was very, very surprising to see the Irish-centric marketing and prioritisation of Irish games on Premier Sports, when apparently it's not even broadcasting in Ireland? Not making stuff up at all though. If Premier Sports is solely a British and NI'ish set-up, and not simply partnered with EIRSports, it's very, very surprising to see them use so many ROI'ish journalists/pundits/commentators, particularly when not even in Ireland. Seems like they're not really after the UK market? Strange...

You do realise eirSports also use PremierSports coverage? Does that make them British centric?

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marty2086 wrote:Can you show any evidence of the Irish pushing for a move into the American market? Also not sure what PremierSports have to do with any of that

You not understanding seems to be a common thing tbh.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/pro12/pro12-plans-for-us-expansion-continue-to-face-tough-challenges-1.3087565

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/ireland-to-return-to-chicago-in-november-1.3496434

Hint: try listening.[/quote][/quote]

Not struggling to understand, I asked you to show where Ireland are pushing to expand to the US instead you present an article from two years ago that says Houston are set to be announced as an entrant into the league the following month plus an article about Ireland playing in the US. You don't show where Ireland are pushing for a US expension

How are Houston doing in the Pro14 by the way?

Also by your logic can we agree then Wales are pushing for a US expansion?

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marty2086 wrote:You didn't answer anything, instead you asked questions and it was still Swansea who were more expensive.

Frankly, I'm not even sure you're being disingenuous. You're just straight up dense if you don't understand the point being made...

I'm dense for not getting how the recession can affect one business but not another similar business with a more expensive product? Headscratch

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marty2086 wrote:Especially when I referred to Ulster but you counter with Leinster?

Oh right. So it's not about Wales and the Pro14 in general. It's all about you and NI. Great... Rolling Eyes

No, it's about the fact you blamed the recession yet during the same period others who were greatly affected by it were able to grow the crowd. Leinster are part of a separate economy hence why Ulster would be more relevant but it's not like Leinster average attendance went up in the same period either but it seems the recession only really affected the Welsh Rolling Eyes

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Post by marty2086 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:54 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
miaow wrote:It literally does make sense. On the BBC, you'd have BBC Wales doing home coverage of, say, Scarlets at home to Ulster, with BBC NI presenting and broadcasting to an NI'ish audience from their Belfast studio, then using the BBC-wide filming etc. So, in short, a split within the same 'company'/broadcasting team. I've seen games of Premier Sports using Irish broadcasters - the lispy/posh commentator who commentated on RTE for years, for instance, along with Shane Horgan a lot of the time. When using 'free' streams, I've found the same coverage under different channels - Irish and then UK broadcasts. If that's changed midway through the season (I see the lacklustre Eddie Butler used more often now, sounds like he can barely be bothered to watch let alone commentate) maybe it was teething problems. That said, it was very, very surprising to see the Irish-centric marketing and prioritisation of Irish games on Premier Sports, when apparently it's not even broadcasting in Ireland? Not making stuff up at all though. If Premier Sports is solely a British and NI'ish set-up, and not simply partnered with EIRSports, it's very, very surprising to see them use so many ROI'ish journalists/pundits/commentators, particularly when not even in Ireland. Seems like they're not really after the UK market? Strange...

Thats a very good point actually. If Premier Sports was supposed to be aimed at the British market, then why do they prioritise the 4 Irish provinces over all the other teams ?

Why do we get a highlights show that gives 30mins to the Irish sides, and 30mins to everybody else ?

Except that happened with the preview and by your logic no one is watching in Wales so why show Welsh teams when none of their fans are watching?

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Post by marty2086 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:59 pm

miaow wrote:
marty2086 wrote:If that's the case then why were fans disappearing when it was on terrestrial tv?

All sorts of reasons: the regions are historically tricky/cack-handed. There's not much money in Wales. There's no many people in Wales. Culture's changing, 'more' to do, loss of community, young people leave Wales to either go to cities and/or England. The teams themselves aren't competing at the top tier - when they did, Scarlets sold out their stadium + extra seats. All sorts of reasons - adding the removal of rugby from free to air TV is likely to hasten its demise among communities.

How exactly will making more money than they were going to make hasten the demise of the regions exactly?

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marty2086 wrote:Why is it that's still on terrestrial tv to a similar level in Wales as it was before yet apparently PremierSports is killing it?

First half of this sentence is really, really hard to understand. I honestly can't even have a stab at answering it as I can't decipher what you're saying.

You can't grasp the fact Pro14 is still on terrestrial tv in Wales and showing a similar number of games at they did before? Says a lot about you then

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marty2086 wrote:How exactly does clubs struggling to pay bills and threatening to go bust benefit rugby exactly? Or is all that interest and goodwill going to pay the bills?

It doesn't. Bit of a stretch there, marty boi.

Except Ospreys not that long ago said they didn't think they could afford to keep going, so it's not a stretch so maybe you can explain what clubs who are struggling to meet ends meet are meant to do to grow the game when their own existence is under threat?

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Post by miaow on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:12 pm

marty2086 wrote:How exactly will making more money than they were going to make hasten the demise of the regions exactly?

I've already explained several reasons why. What is wrong with you? Rugby as it is isn't sustainable, in Wales, England, and I suspect Ireland as well, let alone if more fans are left disenfranchised...unbelievable...

marty2086 wrote:You can't grasp the fact Pro14 is still on terrestrial tv in Wales and showing a similar number of games at they did before? Says a lot about you then

No, your pee poor grammar was hard to understand. Obviously. There aren't the same number of Pro14/12/Magners/Celtic League games on free TV. That's just DENSE.

marty2086 wrote:Except Ospreys not that long ago said they didn't think they could afford to keep going, so it's not a stretch so maybe you can explain what clubs who are struggling to meet ends meet are meant to do to grow the game when their own existence is under threat?

Getting more paying fans in seems a far better alternative to selling broadcasting rights...

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Post by LordDowlais on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:14 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
miaow wrote:It literally does make sense. On the BBC, you'd have BBC Wales doing home coverage of, say, Scarlets at home to Ulster, with BBC NI presenting and broadcasting to an NI'ish audience from their Belfast studio, then using the BBC-wide filming etc. So, in short, a split within the same 'company'/broadcasting team. I've seen games of Premier Sports using Irish broadcasters - the lispy/posh commentator who commentated on RTE for years, for instance, along with Shane Horgan a lot of the time. When using 'free' streams, I've found the same coverage under different channels - Irish and then UK broadcasts. If that's changed midway through the season (I see the lacklustre Eddie Butler used more often now, sounds like he can barely be bothered to watch let alone commentate) maybe it was teething problems. That said, it was very, very surprising to see the Irish-centric marketing and prioritisation of Irish games on Premier Sports, when apparently it's not even broadcasting in Ireland? Not making stuff up at all though. If Premier Sports is solely a British and NI'ish set-up, and not simply partnered with EIRSports, it's very, very surprising to see them use so many ROI'ish journalists/pundits/commentators, particularly when not even in Ireland. Seems like they're not really after the UK market? Strange...

Thats a very good point actually. If Premier Sports was supposed to be aimed at the British market, then why do they prioritise the 4 Irish provinces over all the other teams ?

Why do we get a highlights show that gives 30mins to the Irish sides, and 30mins to everybody else ?

Except that happened with the preview and by your logic no one is watching in Wales so why show Welsh teams when none of their fans are watching?

Typical marty, answering questions with questions and not giving a proper answer.

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Post by Eejit on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:17 pm

miaow wrote:Important point as well. Eejits like...well...eejit...are exactly the kind of person you don't want in charge anything relating to sport or culture. Sport means next to nothing if you remove what it's actually about - representative competition. It's a fantastic way to introduce young people and learners to the countries' mother tongues, as well, because it's often repetitive/secondary to the action, so people pick it up without it feeling like an 'effort'. Can't believe that even needs to be said: if you'd prefer added time multi ball coverage over watching rugby in the actual language of your country, you're dense.

That is about the biggest load of baws I've ever read. How embarrassing for you.

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Post by miaow on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:21 pm

Not as embarrassing as referring to anything non-English as languages 'no-one understands'. Don't think ignorance is universal, it's only personal to you - but it explains why you feel the need to share it out...

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Post by marty2086 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:22 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
miaow wrote:It literally does make sense. On the BBC, you'd have BBC Wales doing home coverage of, say, Scarlets at home to Ulster, with BBC NI presenting and broadcasting to an NI'ish audience from their Belfast studio, then using the BBC-wide filming etc. So, in short, a split within the same 'company'/broadcasting team. I've seen games of Premier Sports using Irish broadcasters - the lispy/posh commentator who commentated on RTE for years, for instance, along with Shane Horgan a lot of the time. When using 'free' streams, I've found the same coverage under different channels - Irish and then UK broadcasts. If that's changed midway through the season (I see the lacklustre Eddie Butler used more often now, sounds like he can barely be bothered to watch let alone commentate) maybe it was teething problems. That said, it was very, very surprising to see the Irish-centric marketing and prioritisation of Irish games on Premier Sports, when apparently it's not even broadcasting in Ireland? Not making stuff up at all though. If Premier Sports is solely a British and NI'ish set-up, and not simply partnered with EIRSports, it's very, very surprising to see them use so many ROI'ish journalists/pundits/commentators, particularly when not even in Ireland. Seems like they're not really after the UK market? Strange...

Thats a very good point actually. If Premier Sports was supposed to be aimed at the British market, then why do they prioritise the 4 Irish provinces over all the other teams ?

Why do we get a highlights show that gives 30mins to the Irish sides, and 30mins to everybody else ?

Except that happened with the preview and by your logic no one is watching in Wales so why show Welsh teams when none of their fans are watching?

Typical marty, answering questions with questions and not giving a proper answer.

Funny you say that since I'm still waiting on a reply to some questions to you from earlier, which is fairly typical

How exactly am I meant to answer a question whose premise is a falsehood?

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Post by Eejit on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:22 pm

miaow wrote:Not as embarrassing as referring to anything non-English as languages 'no-one understands'. Don't think ignorance is universal, it's only personal to you - but it explains why you feel the need to share it out...

Massively inappropriate comment mate.

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Post by LordDowlais on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:24 pm

Eejit wrote:
miaow wrote:Not as embarrassing as referring to anything non-English as languages 'no-one understands'. Don't think ignorance is universal, it's only personal to you - but it explains why you feel the need to share it out...

Massively inappropriate comment mate.

Well stop making silly comments on here.

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Post by marty2086 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:29 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Eejit wrote:
miaow wrote:Not as embarrassing as referring to anything non-English as languages 'no-one understands'. Don't think ignorance is universal, it's only personal to you - but it explains why you feel the need to share it out...

Massively inappropriate comment mate.

Well stop making silly comments on here.

Someone feeling threatened?

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Post by tigertattie on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:30 pm

I think you'll find Eejit is referring to the BBC coverage in Scotland where the channel was not in HD and the language is understood by less than 1% of the population.

You are both making the same point but coming at it from different places.

You both want the sport to reach a wide audience. In Scotland, the subscription (in HD and with English commentary) is reaching a higher audience than the Gaelic language option that went before it.

This may well be the reverse in Wales.

No need for the name calling and trying to assassinate someone's character because they have different viewpoint (and set of circumstances) than you do!
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Post by miaow on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:33 pm

Eejit wrote:
miaow wrote:Not as embarrassing as referring to anything non-English as languages 'no-one understands'. Don't think ignorance is universal, it's only personal to you - but it explains why you feel the need to share it out...

Massively inappropriate comment mate.

Maybe, I've probably lost a bit here and apologies for calling you ignorant - but it's inapproriate to just dump all over the non-English languages of Britain. It's a success of colonialism that makes Scottish/Welsh/Irish people look down their noses and what was their own speech - in Wales, children were beaten for speaking it at school. It might seem quaint and/or unimportant now from the ouside but it's a right that's been hard fought to keep alive in this country, and I'd hazard a guess and say it's similar in Scotland. So, if you're not ignorant, consider the ignorance of you statement. I take my comment back - I hope you're willing to reconsider yours.

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Post by Eejit on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:36 pm

tigertattie wrote:I think you'll find Eejit is referring to the BBC coverage in Scotland where the channel was not in HD and the language is understood by less than 1% of the population.

You are both making the same point but coming at it from different places.

You both want the sport to reach a wide audience. In Scotland, the subscription (in HD and with English commentary) is reaching a higher audience than the Gaelic language option that went before it.

This may well be the reverse in Wales.

No need for the name calling and trying to assassinate someone's character because they have different viewpoint (and set of circumstances) than you do!  

thumbsup Cheers pal.

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Post by miaow on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:36 pm

tigertattie wrote:I think you'll find Eejit is referring to the BBC coverage in Scotland where the channel was not in HD and the language is understood by less than 1% of the population.

You are both making the same point but coming at it from different places.

You both want the sport to reach a wide audience. In Scotland, the subscription (in HD and with English commentary) is reaching a higher audience than the Gaelic language option that went before it.

This may well be the reverse in Wales.

No need for the name calling and trying to assassinate someone's character because they have different viewpoint (and set of circumstances) than you do!  

Yeah, all fair, as I saw on reflection. I do want rugby to reach a wide audience but - as I've said in the Folau thread as well - you have to keep the values at the heart of the game, of which community is a key aspect, as rugby clubs as so vital to small communities, particularly rural ones, which are the heartlands of the Welsh language here. Not sure if it's similar in Scotland with the Highlands etc.

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Post by tigertattie on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:46 pm

miaow wrote:
tigertattie wrote:I think you'll find Eejit is referring to the BBC coverage in Scotland where the channel was not in HD and the language is understood by less than 1% of the population.

You are both making the same point but coming at it from different places.

You both want the sport to reach a wide audience. In Scotland, the subscription (in HD and with English commentary) is reaching a higher audience than the Gaelic language option that went before it.

This may well be the reverse in Wales.

No need for the name calling and trying to assassinate someone's character because they have different viewpoint (and set of circumstances) than you do!  

Yeah, all fair, as I saw on reflection. I do want rugby to reach a wide audience but - as I've said in the Folau thread as well - you have to keep the values at the heart of the game, of which community is a key aspect, as rugby clubs as so vital to small communities, particularly rural ones, which are the heartlands of the Welsh language here. Not sure if it's similar in Scotland with the Highlands etc.

We seem to use Shinty (the game which is hockey without rules and no padding for the goalie - nutters) to promote the Gaelic language.

I'd love to have Gaelic spoken more widely in this country. It's a lovely language that I've tried a few times to pick up. We too had children beaten at school for speaking it, and the pseudo language "scots", instead of correct English back in the day.

It's a travesty that it's all but died out but really there's no hope of bringing it back as the number of speakers is so low and only really still lives in remote parts of the country. The Scottish Government has tried to bring it back (yet they don't make it part of the school curriculum) but it's too little too late. It'll be a dead language in 2 or 3 generations.

Wales should rightfully be proud of being able to bring their language back to sustainable levels.
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Post by LordDowlais on Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:12 pm

tigertattie wrote:I think you'll find Eejit is referring to the BBC coverage in Scotland where the channel was not in HD and the language is understood by less than 1% of the population.

You are both making the same point but coming at it from different places.

You both want the sport to reach a wide audience. In Scotland, the subscription (in HD and with English commentary) is reaching a higher audience than the Gaelic language option that went before it.

This may well be the reverse in Wales.

No need for the name calling and trying to assassinate someone's character because they have different viewpoint (and set of circumstances) than you do!  

Whoa, calm down there cowboy.

Nobody is trying to assassinate anybodies character on here, Eejit has almost tried to fabricate an argument that only he can win. He has suggested that things have been said by people on here that only he has mentioned.

Then he posts this, so if anyone is being assassinated by anyone, it's me by him:-

Eejit wrote:It really is beyond belief isn't it. He posts an essay of facile bullcrap, gets called on his nonsense, blames the Irish for everything and then nonces off when he gets found out. Its embarrassing.

There is honest disagreement amongst good posters and then there are toxic trolls like him that are here to stir the pot and annoy people.


Perhaps tigertattie your message should be aimed at him ?

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Post by Eejit on Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:30 pm

How odd, I thought that was a rather good summary of what happened. Oh well.

Hey, since we're quoting earlier posts, this was my personal favourite.

LordDowlais wrote:Anyway, I am done arguing the toss over this, I am off again from this forum for a few days. Eejit, you are quoting things I am not even saying.

Bye.

Just couldn't stay away, could you.

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Post by LordDowlais on Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:31 pm

nope. Very Happy

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Post by RiscaGame on Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:03 pm

I’m pretty sure Scrum V’s coverage of the Welsh pro teams was never in HD.

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Post by RiscaGame on Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:22 pm

It seems it was. To be fair, I had never heard of this Wales HD channel until now.

That said, it also seems like they generally didn’t show games in HD. Only Dragons v Scarlets from last season from the last few games I’ve found.


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Post by miaow on Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:51 pm

Are people seriously turning off the TV if rugby isn't shown in HD?

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Post by RiscaGame on Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:36 pm

I have no idea. Seems like people want everything else their way in Wales, so why not?

That said, seeing as Thai restaurants no longer have conversations about Pro 14 rugby, I don’t know where to ask now. Strange that the conferences haven’t changed since last season, yet the group didn’t know certain teams.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:14 am

BBC2 Wales on my Sky Q box is HD, always has been.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:43 am

Eejit wrote:How odd, I thought that was a rather good summary of what happened. Oh well.

Hey, since we're quoting earlier posts, this was my personal favourite.

LordDowlais wrote:Anyway, I am done arguing the toss over this, I am off again from this forum for a few days. Eejit, you are quoting things I am not even saying.

Bye.

Just couldn't stay away, could you.

And yet still can't explain why the article he keeps posting everywhere calls the people in the anecdote, rugby enthusiasts, yet they don't know which conference the regions are in and why PremierSports are to blame for it since the conferences predate that

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:14 am

marty, how can I answer for something I did note write ?

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Post by tigertattie on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:14 am

I thought Brexit was to blame for everything!
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Post by marty2086 on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:18 am

LordDowlais wrote:marty, how can I answer for something I did note write ?

Who said you did? You don't write a lot of things but you're happy to tell everyone what they mean, strange you can't do it now

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:21 am

Look I agree with the sentiment of the article, and what is happening to the Pro14 in Wales, but I cannot answer for everything.

Please give it a rest.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:32 am

Give it a rest? You keep posting the same article that's based on a clearly made up story

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:40 am

marty2086 wrote:Give it a rest? You keep posting the same article that's based on a clearly made up story

How do you know it was made up ?

This has come from a national news outlet, from a respected journalist, I would be very careful of what you are calling out as slander on an open forum if I were you.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:41 am

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Give it a rest? You keep posting the same article that's based on a clearly made up story

How do you know it was made up ?

This has come from a national news outlet, from a respected journalist, I would be very careful of what you are calling out as slander on an open forum if I were you.

I would look up the big words I don't know the meaning of in the future if I were you

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Post by BamBam on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:43 am

No one respects a WOL journalist

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Post by tigertattie on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:46 am

Just for clarity:

Slander = Spoken word
Libel = Written (typed) word

Gibberish = Nonsense spouted by Glasgow fans
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Post by RiscaGame on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:46 am

BamBam wrote:No one respects a WOL journalist

Some are fine. Simon Thomas (definitely) and Mark Orders is generally okay. Delme Parfitt is definitely not.

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Post by RiscaGame on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:47 am

tigertattie wrote:Just for clarity:

Slander = Spoken word
Libel = Written (typed) word

Gibberish = Nonsense spouted by Glasgow fans

laughing

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Post by marty2086 on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:48 am

RiscaGame wrote:
BamBam wrote:No one respects a WOL journalist

Some are fine. Simon Thomas (definitely) and Mark Orders is generally okay. Delme Parfitt is definitely not.

I used to think the same about Simon Thomas, then he said no Welsh fans blame the Irish for everything Erm

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Post by marty2086 on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:49 am

tigertattie wrote:Just for clarity:

Slander = Spoken word
Libel = Written (typed) word

Gibberish = Nonsense spouted by Glasgow fans

I also never accused anyone of slander and/or libel, though someone did libel me by accusing me of it

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:51 am

Libel then. The sentiment is still the same, perhaps this is something the MODS need to look at, although marty seems to always get a free pass on here. Rolling Eyes

But if you actually read the article, he has typed it in abbreviations so he is using the spoken word. So I will stick with slander.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:52 am

marty2086 wrote:
tigertattie wrote:Just for clarity:

Slander = Spoken word
Libel = Written (typed) word

Gibberish = Nonsense spouted by Glasgow fans

I also never accused anyone of slander and/or libel, though someone did libel me by accusing me of it

You said the story was made up. what were you referring to then when you made that statement ?

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Post by Eejit on Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:01 am

The article itself was apocryphal bile which tried (and failed) to paint the Pro14 as a failed enterprise. A quick scan through the comments on it show it was met there with as much derision as sensible posters here are showing it.

If it is true is it therefore a damning indictment of rugby enthusiasts in the game’s supposed heartlands. Occasionally I’ll attend Glasgow games with people who have a passing interest in rugby who are fairly quick to grasp the conference structure and what teams play where.

The title of this thread is misleading. The Pro14 has given a lifeline to rugby in Ireland, Scotland and Italy and the relative successes of each national team(and obviously club sides) would not have happened without the competition.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:01 am

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
tigertattie wrote:Just for clarity:

Slander = Spoken word
Libel = Written (typed) word

Gibberish = Nonsense spouted by Glasgow fans

I also never accused anyone of slander and/or libel, though someone did libel me by accusing me of it

You said the story was made up. what were you referring to then when you made that statement ?

That's not slander Rolling Eyes

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Post by Eejit on Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:05 am

I should add to my earlier post on relative successes in Scotland, “minus Edinburgh who are sucking the lifeblood out of Scottish rugby with their inability to do anything remotely right. They should be scrapped and replaced with the Border Reivers”.

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