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Post by McLaren on Fri 31 May 2019, 2:39 pm

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It amazes me that a professional footballer can end up one footed. Just practice with your weak foot every day.

I remember spending a summer playing with only my left foot in the garden. Came back next season two footed.
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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Jun 2019, 11:48 am

Super probably got Diggers banned, it wouldn't be the first time Super had snowflaked to the mods about being called out for his racism.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 19 Jun 2019, 2:08 pm

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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Jun 2019, 2:22 pm

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You can't deny the irony of super being the biggest snowflake on here. Never has a man been so offended.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 19 Jun 2019, 2:51 pm

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Post by Roller_Coaster on Wed 19 Jun 2019, 2:53 pm

He hates stuff (quite a lot of stuff) [an awful lot of stuff] {quite wholeheartedly} but I don't recall his having taken offence at much.

On that particular topic Mac, one should probably shut up and sit on offence a little bit more.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Wed 19 Jun 2019, 4:41 pm

JAS wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:I actually feel a bit sorry for realist. I'm guessing in his 40s with no wife/partner or children. Has to substitute love with fitness and excercise.

Happy fathers day to all us dads. Realist, have a good run.

Everyone should have a fitness and exercise regime. Why would you give it up just because you're in a relationship?

...said this before on this thread but on that point Super is actually bang on. I perhaps wouldn’t argue it in the same “hearts and minds winning way” but Supers point IS very valid.

I’d add another which surprisingly hasn’t been brought up yet and that is stress and the effect the that stress hormone cortisol has on the body. It’s really not good and if we’re honest there’s a lot more stress among ordinary working people now than say a decade or 2 ago. It does amplify the individual’s situation too because exercise is thee single biggest antidote to stress there is. Do not exercising is making a stressful situation worse and causes more Cortisol to course around the body laying down health issue after health issue.

Get out there people, make the time, somehow. If you drop dead from a heart attack after working 10-12 hour days your employer isn’t going to pat you  on the back and say well done you!! Life is too short to be a bloody corporate slave.

Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a ducking big television, Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of ducking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the duck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing ducking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, ducked-up brats you have spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life . . . But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got... Golf..

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 19 Jun 2019, 5:16 pm

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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Jun 2019, 6:56 pm

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Post by super_realist on Thu 20 Jun 2019, 6:56 am

McLaren wrote:Super probably got Diggers banned, it wouldn't be the first time Super had snowflaked to the mods about being called out for his racism.

Mac, unlike you I have NEVER complained to a mod about anything that anyone has ever said to me on here. Diggers was a worthy adversary who could actually formulate an argument (unlike you) and despite the fact that people like him, you and Beninho have (wrongly and unjustifiably) inferred I'm racist without being able to produce a single scrap of evidence to support any allegation I have and would never complain to the mods about it.

You have claimed that if you make a criticism of Dianne Abbot then that means it is both racist and sexist. I've never heard anything so ridiculous.

I have strong opinions, but I'm not taking offence at anything, however if you effectively libel me with your baseless and laughable claims then I'm going to call you out on it.

Stick to what you're good at. I'm not exactly sure what that is, being ripped off in grocery stores most likely.



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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 20 Jun 2019, 8:25 am

You do seem quite racist to me too to be honest Super Realist.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 20 Jun 2019, 11:15 am

super_realist wrote:

Stick to what you're good at. I'm not exactly sure what that is, being ripped off in grocery stores most likely.



As if that's what you call them.
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Post by beninho on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 6:57 am

So Boris got some of his supporters to back Hunt because he didn't want to take on Gove.

And we have an mp grabbing a woman round the neck and marching her out yesterday, a terrible look for him. If someone gets community service for milkshaking Farage, then he should get similar.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 7:53 am

Collapse2005 wrote:You do seem quite racist to me too to be honest Super Realist.

Give me any examples where I've said anything remotely racist. I'll not hold my breath.

I'll grant you there are black people I don't like such as Woods and Hamilton. There's also a lot more white people I don't like of which I make frequent mention. So if all you have is that I dislike some people who happen to be black, then you're not off to a very good start.

I've never made a statement about Woods, Abbott, Hamilton etc that couldn't also be applicable to the many white people I dislike, and contrary to Mac's  absurdly infantile claim, which asserts that any statement against Woods/Abbott et al must be construed as racist just because they are black or mixed race, doesn't actually make it racist.

So come on, give me your best example.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 8:01 am

beninho wrote:So Boris got some of his supporters to back Hunt because he didn't want to take on Gove.

And we have an mp grabbing a woman round the neck and marching her out yesterday, a terrible look for him. If someone gets community service for milkshaking Farage, then he should get similar.

I have no problem with gentle  force being used to get people who have no security pass being forcibly removed from a place they have no right to be.  Why do you?

How can you possibly compare someone being physically assaulted with a missile, not to mention the damage to property, with someone simply being escorted off the premises with a little bit of persuasive force?

It shouldn't have been any MP ushering her out. It should have been security as Mansion House is not open to the public at this time. She got off lightly really. These Climate Change hysterical morons really need to be brought into line a bit more. If they cared so much for the environment, they probably should be living in the woods or a cave instead of demonstrating just how hypocritical they are with every protest they make.

Personally though, I think the Police and CJS have a lot more important things to do than care about this action or a bloody milkshake on Farage, don't you?

Did you ask for John Prescott to be charged with assault for punching a guy in the face? No, of course not, because he's a lefty.

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Post by beninho on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 9:14 am

Realist has no issues with assault on a woman.

Are you claiming that the milkshake was a missile?

The police shouldn't have been involved in the milkshaking but as they were this guy should have the same treatment.

The prescott issue was a long time ago, and I probably didn't really care.

I'm not a lefty!

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Post by beninho on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 9:57 am

On the other side,I'm at Turnberry on the 10th Aug playing the second course, come along, get yourself on the course and we can grab a beer afterwards.

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Post by Davie on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 12:13 pm

beninho wrote:Realist has no issues with assault on a woman.

An assault? Or ejecting her?

I've now seen more of the footage from what happened and it seems that there were allegedly up to 40 protesters earlier caused a commotion and were all thrown out, interrupting Philip Hammond's speech and causing him to stop for a while.

The majority were ejected and presumably (my assumption) the security were dealing with them when the lone woman tried to get to Hammond again

Mark Field (IMO) did what was necessary to stop her - there apparently were a few people disturbed by the first demonstration - and all, including the last protester, were wearing the same clothing, so Field knew what was happening. He grabbed her by the arm and neck and had her removed. Not exactly what I would call an "assault" - she got what she deserved.

Clearly, with hindsight, she was unarmed, but at first viewing I noticed her holding something in her left hand which in the lights from the cameras seemed to glint. Turned out to be a mobile phone I think but in a split second, who could have told that it wasn't, for example, a knife?

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Post by JAS on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 12:37 pm

Davie wrote:
beninho wrote:Realist has no issues with assault on a woman.  

An assault? Or ejecting her?

I've now seen more of the footage from what happened and it seems that there were allegedly up to 40 protesters earlier caused a commotion and were all thrown out, interrupting Philip Hammond's speech and causing him to stop for a while.

The majority were ejected and presumably (my assumption) the security were dealing with them when the lone woman tried to get to Hammond again

Mark Field (IMO) did what was necessary to stop her - there apparently were a few people disturbed by the first demonstration - and all, including the last protester, were wearing the same clothing, so Field knew what was happening. He grabbed her by the arm and neck and had her removed. Not exactly what I would call an "assault" - she got what she deserved.

Clearly, with hindsight, she was unarmed, but at first viewing I noticed her holding something in her left hand which in the lights from the cameras seemed to glint. Turned out to be a mobile phone I think but in a split second, who could have told that it wasn't, for example, a knife?

Having now seen it several times myself, being left leaning I supposed i’d be expected to side with the protester and have the book thrown at the “nasty Tory” Well not so at all, Field made an on the spot decision and acted on it decisively (not unsurprising for ex military). The thing is if the woman had been carrying a gun, a knife or a bottle of acid he would quite rightly be being hailed as a hero. As it turned out (unfortunately for him) she wasn’t.
There’s an old adage in protection/self protection which says...”better to be judged by 10 than carried by 6”  in other word if you perceive a clear and present danger  it’s better to pre empt, strike first and face the consequences than do nothing and be killed. So condemn and judge the guy without having been in the scenario but I bet the guy would prefer being judged to being in a box!!
On the wider issue...how much do taxpayers pay for the protection of politicians at these kind of events. I’d question whether or not we’re getting value for money!!


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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 1:09 pm

I agree, it was heavy handed but those punks had no right to be there and deserved to be removed.

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Post by JAS on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 1:20 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:I agree, it was heavy handed but those punks had no right to be there and deserved to be removed.

Maybe wouldn’t go as far as to say “no right to be there” when public funded officials are making speeches about public money at events paid for by public money then it would be a bit perverse to say “No right to be there” The issue really is what verification there was to get in the building. As I eluded to in my previous post you have to question what value we are getting for public money paying private security firms to protect public officials.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 1:32 pm

Was it not a black tie private event? If not I take your point.

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Post by dynamark on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 3:55 pm

I swear it was Diggers dressed as a girl !
Lets face it they shouldn't have got in and unless you were in the room its impossible to make a judgement . If it was a very uncomfortable /threatening situation and you felt some peril then its reasonable to use some force to clear up the situation.

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Post by dynamark on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 8:22 pm

Right- seen that a couple of times and I think it was perfectly reasonable action.Other folk had been removed and the lady on her own was heading towards the top table with The BOE Governor and the chancellor amongst others.there was a narrow gap behind the gent in question and he took his opportunity to stand up and block her way then pushing her out towards other staff.good work frankly and no way should he have any kind of sanction for that.
Good man did the right thing

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Post by McLaren on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 10:58 pm

The most worrying bits in the video are the man saying "you have made your point" and Hammond smugly claiming some horse sht about zero carbon economy.

I doubt very much if the science deniers in the room did get the point.
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Post by dynamark on Sat 22 Jun 2019, 10:50 am

Horse Poopie is very good for gardeners I'm told.
Despite anything we do in this country and attempt to involve others in I think we need to accept that temperature will be increasing by a degree or so. The world is going to have to manage it and survive.Weve always had droughts,floods,monsoons,winds its not great but we have managed so far.

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Post by super_realist on Mon 24 Jun 2019, 8:29 am

McLaren wrote:The most worrying bits in the video are the man saying "you have made your point" and Hammond smugly claiming some horse sht about zero carbon economy.

I doubt very much if the science deniers in the room did get the point.

Mac I don't think anyone in British politics (with the exception of the DUP) actually denies that climate change is a real thing and that there is a human influenced element to it.

From what I can see, the frustration at the protestors comes from two main spears (rather than the protest itself).

1. The claim of it being a "Climate Emergency" is hysterical  and it is the laughable and unfounded inferences from those who have attached reactionary words like "crisis" and "emergency" to it.  We've lived as humans throughout much warmer periods and much colder periods without this form of sensationalism and without any "crisis" or "emergency", and we have access to more technology and resources than ever before to adapt to these changes. Science isn't claiming that there is a crisis because that's not what science does. They are bolting on this reactionary word to an event to try and add more weight to their argument, but it simply makes them look stupid.

2. These people are largely hypocrites. They all live in houses (which are inherently inefficient), heated primarily with gas in the UK, gas hobs, showers etc. They all use carbon based products for everything they do every day, they all travel by carbon powered vehicles, most will probably fly. No one could get through a day in the UK without using fossil fuels in some way in the developed world. It's what made us developed.
These people are usually the type who would moan like hell about "fake news", yet apparently it's ok when the potential consequences of climate change are just plucked out of the air by them. If they genuinely believed in the cause, they would be out living in a cave somewhere.

I'm fine with people protesting about something, but I'm not fine with people spreading complete nonsense like hysterical idiotic Swedish teenagers. We will not be resorting to cannibalism, London will not be under water soon and we will not be the last generation (these are all claims I've heard from this rent a mob.)

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Post by pedro on Mon 24 Jun 2019, 11:08 am

Sometimes I wonder if these people are more interested in changing the way we live rather than do something for the climate. In any case, the 'climate crisis' has come in handy for many socialist movements.

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Post by McLaren on Mon 24 Jun 2019, 11:11 am

Super

On point 1, the effects of a 1.5° increase in mean global temperatures are overwhelmingly accepted by scientists in the relevant fields. The time frame over which this increase in temperature will occur is also accepted by the vast majority of climate scientists. From this it is quite easy to work out that action is needed now, unless you question the causes, temp increase, effects or time frame. Which area of the science do you dispute?

On 2, if it is a practical necessity to live in the current society should that stop people asking for how that society uses its resources to be reconsidered?

And finally it is you that had attached ideas like us being the last generation to the debate. It is the more subtle changes to habitable regions of the earth for humans and other living organisms that worry most climate activists.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 24 Jun 2019, 12:08 pm

super,
Whether popular reaction is 100% valid or not, what is indisputable is that industrial pollution has contaminated huge tracts of, for instance, forests; and ensuing regulations have reversed those impacts. As cited before, "acid rain" in the atmosphere emanating from power plants in the American Mid-West affected wildlife and forests in New York State's Adirondack Park (the largest State or National Park in the US).
Action in Congress during the 80's has now resulted in cleaner air and a reviving of those habitats.
One would imagine you might think that's a good thing.

No doubt there are similar examples in Europe.

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Post by dynamark on Mon 24 Jun 2019, 4:18 pm

We get very little fog nowadays in the UK.Im sure we are breathing better air than 25 years ago.Wheneve I see a bunch of folk pretesting in London on a weekday whether its Europe climate change trump whatever I am think ,do these people have a job,commitments,what do they do ?

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Post by pedro on Mon 24 Jun 2019, 11:59 pm

dynamark wrote:We get very little fog nowadays in the UK.
What about marine layer?

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Post by super_realist on Tue 25 Jun 2019, 8:25 am

McLaren wrote:Super

On point 1, the effects of a 1.5° increase in mean global temperatures are overwhelmingly accepted by scientists in the relevant fields. The time frame over which this increase in temperature will occur is also accepted by the vast majority of climate scientists. From this it is quite easy to work out that action is needed now, unless you question the causes, temp increase, effects or time frame. Which area of the science do you dispute?

On 2, if it is a practical necessity to live in the current society should that stop people asking for how that society uses its resources to be reconsidered?

And finally it is you that had attached ideas like us being the last generation to the debate. It is the more subtle changes to habitable regions of the earth for humans and other living organisms that worry most climate activists.

Mac, what Science is saying in regards to sea level rise and increased weather event frequency is NOT what rent a mobs like Extinction Rebellion and Greenpeace are saying. Science is not stating there is a climate "emergency" or "crisis" It states what MIGHT be true in regard to changes in climate, but they are not claiming absolutes or tagging on sensationalist claims.

Science is NOT claiming that people will start eating each other. It is NOT saying that London will be underwater and it is NOT even suggesting that the current generation is even remotely likely to be the last. Extinction Rebellion has made all those claims. Which is as stupid as anything that has come out of the mouths of the DUP.

I'm happy to accept that the scientific claim of what might happen to our weather MIGHT be true and might play out, but I'm not prepared to accept the DRIVEL which comes out of the mouths of these idiots in protest groups which they have clearly tagged on to be sensationalist.  Surely you would agree with that? Extinction Rebellion are making ridiculous claims without any sort of evidence at all, therefore I'll reject their claims without evidence.

As I said in my post. We have lived in environments where temperature is considerably higher and lower than the claimed 1.5c change. So if we can managed that with no technology and very little information. Where exactly is the "crisis"?

On renewable energy. Don't these hypocrites realise that there isn't sufficient electricity to turn all our cars over to electricity by 2025? These are still being charged in the vast majority from hydrocarbon powered power stations. Not to mention they are more resource heavy and environmentally damaging to produce AND they are considerably more expensive to buy (even more so when the government will start charging per mile to counteract the loss in fuel revenue)
So it might only cost £8-10 to charge a car with HALF the range of a normal car (so around £20 to get the same mileage) add in the extra cost of the car, and the inevitable rise in driving costs to actually use the road then how expensive is it going to be to use an electric car in future?

Furthermore, virtually everything you do today will have an element of oil and gas to it, many of which have NO ALTERNATIVE. For example. How do you build a quality road without tar? Concrete is massively environmentally damaging, so that's out. Straw roads Mac?

By the way Mac, greenhouse gases released TODAY take years to reach the parts of the atmosphere where it enhances the greenhouse effect. So when they claim that we have 12 years to reverse things, that's rubbish. It's a scare tactic as it's already too late. We could stop everything right now, and it would take ages to see any effect. Certainly more than 12 years. You might scrub methane out in 12 years, but Co2 takes much longer and contributes more to the enhanced greenhouse effect.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 25 Jun 2019, 8:32 am

dynamark wrote:We get very little fog nowadays in the UK.Im sure we are breathing better air than 25 years ago.Wheneve I see  a bunch of folk pretesting in London on a weekday whether its Europe climate change trump whatever I am think ,do these people have a job,commitments,what do they do ?

FOG? Fog is NOTHING to do with pollution.

SMOG is.

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Post by McLaren on Tue 25 Jun 2019, 11:00 am

Super will be gutted. "Hillsborough match commander David Duckenfield retrial"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-48756722
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Post by dynamark on Tue 25 Jun 2019, 2:56 pm

Ok fog/smog whatever you wish.
has anyone tried the Open website it does not appear to function past the title page -passed Holinwell today and looking to see who is there next week but no chance

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Post by I'm never wrong on Tue 25 Jun 2019, 5:00 pm

I managed to get onto the site. Although I can get to Hollinwell it doesn’t say who is playing there yet. There’s just an overview of the course and a map.

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Post by I'm never wrong on Tue 25 Jun 2019, 5:03 pm

As Hollinwell is a site for Final Qualifying and the Regional Qualifying only took place yesterday, might be a bit early.

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Post by dynamark on Tue 25 Jun 2019, 6:12 pm

I couldn't even get to the list of the guys who were already qualified or the regional results.Try again tomorrow.Obviously I will not be going if its foggy

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Post by super_realist on Thu 27 Jun 2019, 7:53 am

More madness in Premier League transfer market. £50m for Wan Bissaka? Laugh  A guy who has played 40 times for Palace. Hilarious, yet Arsenal are only bidding £18m for Tierney who has played 3x that many games, played in Champions League and Europa League as well as internationally and who is exactly the same type of player as Andy Robertson.


I realise that no such absurd fee would exist between Palace and say Dortmund or Barcelona and that the amount of money is dictated by how much they know they can get from a rival Premier League team due to the amount of money in that particular league, but £50m for a guy who has done pretty much nothing in the game is pretty ridiculous.


I also heard £100m for Harry McGuire being mentioned. That's insane money for someone of his standard. Pretty good, but he's not exactly Van Dijk is he?

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Post by beninho on Thu 27 Jun 2019, 9:04 am

Didn't you claim vvd was overpriced and not worth it when lfc signed him?

Whats your take on Joao Felix for 112m

Or Rodrygo Goes, Eder to madrid? Or when they signed Vinicius?


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Post by pedro on Thu 27 Jun 2019, 9:57 am

Regardless of the price tag, it's difficult to comprehend that Maguire should be more expensive that VvD.

PS: Most EPL footballers are overpriced, some just more than others.

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Post by wiretapper on Thu 27 Jun 2019, 10:21 am

If Tierney played for mid-level Premier League club he would also be going for £50mil. But he's not, he's playing in the SPFL and like it or not, it does have a bearing on players values. So Celtic have valued him at £25mil which will be the most ever for an SPFL based player and are quite rightly holding out for that.

As Super points out he has been a 1st team regular for 3 seasons, has Champions League, Europa League and international experience. He has four years left on his contract, he loves the club and although I do think he will go as the Premier League has its appeal and the money will be much better than what he can get at Celtic, he wont kick up a fuss if low ball offers are rejected.

As for Maguire I think he is good but I reckon Leicester - who do not need to sell him - are being deliberately obtuse to scare off Man Utd. And it's working OK

Benfica probably thought they were doing the same when they valued Joao Felix but Atletico seem up for up and despite his scary levels of potential that's just mental Laugh

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Post by dynamark on Thu 27 Jun 2019, 11:13 am

If the money for Maguire is there Id be tempted to let him go.Watched him closely and always felt he can be a bit of a liability when he goes walkabout .Does chip in a few goals though.Leicester have at least 4 decent centre backs including a lad who played really well for Romania in the recent tournament .

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Post by super_realist on Fri 28 Jun 2019, 8:02 am

wiretapper wrote:If Tierney played for mid-level Premier League club he would also be going for £50mil. But he's not, he's playing in the SPFL and like it or not, it does have a bearing on players values. So Celtic have valued him at £25mil which will be the most ever for an SPFL based player and are quite rightly holding out for that.

As Super points out he has been a 1st team regular for 3 seasons, has Champions League, Europa League and international experience. He has four years left on his contract, he loves the club and although I do think he will go as the Premier League has its appeal and the money will be much better than what he can get at Celtic, he wont kick up a fuss if low ball offers are rejected.

As for Maguire I think he is good but I reckon Leicester - who do not need to sell him - are being deliberately obtuse to scare off Man Utd. And it's working OK

Benfica probably thought they were doing the same when they valued Joao Felix but Atletico seem up for up and despite his scary levels of potential that's just mental Laugh

I don't think he would be going for £50m on the basis that he's from an unfashionable football nation i.e he's Scottish. If he was English however, that would certainly add value to his price tag.
However, Tierney would be absolutely mental to stay at Celtic. There's nothing left for him to do in such a tinpot league. The MINIMUM he should be doing every year in the SPL is the treble, so there's no achievement in winning it.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 28 Jun 2019, 8:09 am

Observations about the women's World Cup.

1. The pitch is far too big.
2. The goals are also too big and/or the standard of goal keeping is lamentable. England's first goal last night was hysterical.
3. The Lionesses is the saddest nickname I think I've ever heard.(apart from Tiger, Boo, Webb, Smylie, Chesson etc)
4. Phil Neville looks like he's a Sturmbannführer with that haircut, or he's borrowed Leigh Griffiths' hair for the month. Terrible.


On the plus side, there's far less moaning, whining, cheating, spitting, dissent, timewasting, simulation, diving, shielding the ball out, appealing pointless throw-ins etc.

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Post by JAS on Fri 28 Jun 2019, 10:23 am

super_realist wrote:Observations about the women's World Cup.

1. The pitch is far too big.
2. The goals are also too big and/or the standard of goal keeping is lamentable. England's first goal last night was hysterical.
3. The Lionesses is the saddest nickname I think I've ever heard.(apart from Tiger, Boo, Webb, Smylie, Chesson etc)
4. Phil Neville looks like he's a Sturmbannführer with that haircut, or he's borrowed Leigh Griffiths' hair for the month. Terrible.


On the plus side, there's far less moaning, whining, cheating, spitting, dissent, timewasting, simulation, diving, shielding the ball out, appealing pointless throw-ins etc.

...but the commentators have now latched on and they’re hyping the Poopie out of a potential England trophy win. It was almost worth watching with the sound on up to last night, now there’s gonna be at least one, maybe 2 games where it’s all “it’s coming home” hyperbolic nonsense + the potential for some poor sod to shoulder the blame if it all comes undone.

They’ve done well and they might well go on and win it but jeez the expectation levels are now mental.

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Post by JAS on Fri 28 Jun 2019, 1:38 pm

super_realist wrote:
wiretapper wrote:If Tierney played for mid-level Premier League club he would also be going for £50mil. But he's not, he's playing in the SPFL and like it or not, it does have a bearing on players values. So Celtic have valued him at £25mil which will be the most ever for an SPFL based player and are quite rightly holding out for that.

As Super points out he has been a 1st team regular for 3 seasons, has Champions League, Europa League and international experience. He has four years left on his contract, he loves the club and although I do think he will go as the Premier League has its appeal and the money will be much better than what he can get at Celtic, he wont kick up a fuss if low ball offers are rejected.

As for Maguire I think he is good but I reckon Leicester - who do not need to sell him - are being deliberately obtuse to scare off Man Utd. And it's working OK

Benfica probably thought they were doing the same when they valued Joao Felix but Atletico seem up for up and despite his scary levels of potential that's just mental Laugh

I don't think he would be going for £50m on the basis that he's from an unfashionable football nation i.e he's Scottish. If he was English however, that would certainly add value to his price tag.
However, Tierney would be absolutely mental to stay at Celtic. There's nothing left for him to do in such a tinpot league. The MINIMUM he should be doing every year in the SPL is the treble, so there's no achievement in winning it.

Football is all about market forces these days infact no, it’s about the perception of market forces. On the one hand the assertion of a tinpot league cannot be refuted, on the other hand Old Firm players play under an intense amount of pressure and scrutiny (2nd is failure) as well as full stadiums 50,000 & 60000 respectively of impassioned fanatics and regular European football, it represents a tough breeding ground for good players.
When the financial disparity wasn’t so great Scottish football provided a rich feeding ground for slightly more financially enabled English clubs. Now due to the huge gulf in finances, even Rangers & Celtic aren’t taken seriously despite somehow STILL being the 5th & 6th biggest supported clubs in Britain averaging over the last 5 years (even more astonishing that Rangers are there on a 5 year average count considering only 3 of those seasons were in the top flight). I suppose what I’m saying is Celtic should hold out for their valuation of the player. The fact that the league is Tinpot has very little bearing on the players ability or potential. Didn’t VvD spend some time at Celtic?

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Post by dynamark on Fri 28 Jun 2019, 2:24 pm

I have seen most of the England ladies games and they are a lot better than a few years ago but we should have been punished big time for defensive errors .Incredible we have only dropped one goal.Decision making is still questionable and the defenders have a habit of passing/attempting pass to a teammate who has less time and space they the player on the ball.
If their luck continues who knows.Still cannot get the Open website to function.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 28 Jun 2019, 4:26 pm

JAS wrote:
super_realist wrote:
wiretapper wrote:If Tierney played for mid-level Premier League club he would also be going for £50mil. But he's not, he's playing in the SPFL and like it or not, it does have a bearing on players values. So Celtic have valued him at £25mil which will be the most ever for an SPFL based player and are quite rightly holding out for that.

As Super points out he has been a 1st team regular for 3 seasons, has Champions League, Europa League and international experience. He has four years left on his contract, he loves the club and although I do think he will go as the Premier League has its appeal and the money will be much better than what he can get at Celtic, he wont kick up a fuss if low ball offers are rejected.

As for Maguire I think he is good but I reckon Leicester - who do not need to sell him - are being deliberately obtuse to scare off Man Utd. And it's working OK

Benfica probably thought they were doing the same when they valued Joao Felix but Atletico seem up for up and despite his scary levels of potential that's just mental Laugh

I don't think he would be going for £50m on the basis that he's from an unfashionable football nation i.e he's Scottish. If he was English however, that would certainly add value to his price tag.
However, Tierney would be absolutely mental to stay at Celtic. There's nothing left for him to do in such a tinpot league. The MINIMUM he should be doing every year in the SPL is the treble, so there's no achievement in winning it.

Football is all about market forces these days infact no, it’s about the perception of market forces. On the one hand the assertion of a tinpot league cannot be refuted, on the other hand Old Firm players play under an intense amount of pressure and scrutiny (2nd is failure) as well as full stadiums 50,000 & 60000 respectively of impassioned fanatics and regular European football, it represents a tough breeding ground for good players.
When the financial disparity wasn’t so great Scottish football provided a rich feeding ground for slightly more financially enabled English clubs. Now due to the huge gulf in finances, even Rangers & Celtic aren’t taken seriously despite somehow STILL being the 5th  & 6th biggest supported clubs in Britain averaging over the last 5 years (even more astonishing that Rangers are there on a 5 year average count considering only 3 of those seasons were in the top flight). I suppose what I’m saying is Celtic should hold out for their valuation of the player. The fact that the league is Tinpot has very little bearing on the players ability or potential. Didn’t VvD spend some time at Celtic?

Celtic and Rangers rightly aren't taken seriously. They're on a downward spiral and have been for years. Being popular amongst a sad fan base who have nothing else going on in their lives than to support two has been clubs in Europe's 20th ranked top tier league doesn't mean you deserve respect (I would imagine there are a few 2nd Division teams such as the Championship and Serie B which would rank higher than the SPL too)

Of course, I don't expect someone to pay £50m for Tierney, but he's a far more accomplished player than some no mark at Palace who has only played 40 games. So whilst Tierney's fee might be realistic at around £25m. The Palace players fee is preposterous, but as you say the fee probably reflects how much money is in the league and the lack of will to sell to a "rival" club.

One of the things I don't quite get about fans of the Old Firm is that there was a time when the gap between the SPL and other leagues was far narrower, when they had better players and got further in Europe. Season ticket prices haven't been reduced to reflect how far they've fallen in standard, and these gullible soap dodgers still pay for them. Madness.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 28 Jun 2019, 4:28 pm

dynamark wrote:I have seen most of the England ladies games and they are a lot better than a few years ago but we should have been punished big time for defensive errors .Incredible we have only dropped one goal.Decision making is still questionable and the defenders have a habit of passing/attempting pass to a teammate who has less time and space they the player on the ball.
If their luck continues who knows.Still cannot get the Open website to function.

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