ICC Cricket World Cup - Part 3

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Table

Australia	8	14	1.00
India	7	11	0.85
New Zealand	8	11	0.57
England	8	10	1.00
Pakistan	8	9	-0.80
Sri Lanka	8	8	-0.93
Bangladesh	7	7	-0.13
South Africa	8	5	-0.08
West Indies	8	3	-0.36
Afghanistan	8	0	-1.42

Remaining Pool Fixtures

Tue, Jul 2 
10:30 Bangladesh vs India (Edgbaston)

Wed, Jul 3 
10:30 England vs New Zealand (Riverside Ground)

Thu, Jul 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs West Indies (Headingley)

Fri, Jul 5 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Pakistan (Lord’s)

Sat, Jul 6 
10:30 India vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs South Africa (Old Trafford)




Knock Out Fixtures


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alfie wrote:Haha

True , Olly.  Vince against Starc and Cummins on this

Mind you I'm not convinced he will enjoy it later on either...Roy is proving a huge loss.

Not over yet ; but they're going to be chasing plenty and it's going to need a batting performance the like of those they were putting in regularly before the World Cup pressure arrived. Otherwise I fear the campaign might be virtually over a bit early...

Now now, it isn't over even if they do lose today Alfie - but it would be teetering over the cliff!

Lets hope for Vince's sake, he gets similar luck to what Warner/Finch did when driving toda...ah we know he's getting caught 2nd slip off his first drive don't we

Needs something, body language out there is pretty poor.

Some would see the funny side in that we decided to be the best ODI side in the world as soon as the 2015 World Cup ended right until the start of the 2019 World Cup.

Moeen !

Needed that ...

We're still 4th at worst regardless of today's result and whatever anyone else does with their game in hand.

If we win we'll go second, likely third after India play one of their games in hand.

Mo “turns” things around!

Going to need more than one to turn things around...

Smith , Maxwell , Carey to come on top of this platform. Plenty of scope for a late surge. Still looks grim for the home team.

Do England carry on with the spin or look to bring back a strike bowler now and hopefully turn 1 into 2 or 3? Their pattern is to keep the two spinners on together for a long spell, but maybe a bit more of Woakes for a change of pace, who doesn't really bowl much at the death?

Once you see off the new ball burst, it's a very good batting wicket, albeit not the quickest outfield.

England should be able to chase a big score on this track. Might have to!

Poor fielding again today from England, just like in the Pakistan game. Buttler's just missed a stumping.

I hope Khawaja fails, there is just something I really despise about him.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:ah we know he's getting caught 2nd slip off his first drive don't we

Not at all.

he will look like the most technically gifted batsman around, get to 30 of about 40 balls.

And then he'll get caught at 2nd slip driving

Stokes has, surprisingly enough, been arguably England's best bowler, and he gets a deserved wicket with a delightful delivery. England staying in contention.

Something mentally powerful about seeing Steve Smith walk out when you get a desperate breakthrough. Like defeating a boss in a game only for a bigger one to walk out.

Duty281 wrote:Stokes has, surprisingly enough, been arguably England's best bowler, and he gets a deserved wicket with a delightful delivery. England staying in contention.

Worse thing about that is very early on someone on TMS said "I can see Stokes coming on early as this looks perfect conditions for him". And then he didn't come on early

England have done a decent job over the last few overs - only 28 runs and a wicket in the last 7 overs.

Sounds like the Aussies had a bit of luck early on, but since then it seems not bad for batting, so a 350ish chase might be viable (although I would much prefer Roy to be coming out first rather than Vince...)

Finch gone on 100. England have wrestled back control over the run-rate in the past six/seven overs and they've got two quick wickets as well.

Drinks break takes another wicket...

Not a good day for Mark Wood to turn into 2016 Mark Wood

*Maxwell gets out cheaply shocker*

England back on top. Three wickets for 40 runs. The long Aussie tail gets brought out with just two more wickets.

Some comeback by England. Still see the Aussies posting 300+ though.

Been away for an hour...seems England do better when I'm not watching

Aussies still look good for 300 with ten to go though ... Unless the pitch is playing easier now ? still going to be a tough chase ...

Could use a couple more wickets

alfie wrote:Been away for an hour...seems England do better when I'm not watching

Aussies still look good for 300 with ten to go though ... Unless the pitch is playing easier now ? still going to be a tough chase ...

Could use a couple more wickets

300 looks likeliest. Not many more I wouldn't have thought with Maxwell and Finch out.

We'll need to take constant wickets in this last 9 overs to have a chance of restricting them. They don't have the most fluent hitters out there, so if we can frustrate them there's a chance of getting the wickets and restricting them to 270/280.

Oh my, horrific miscommunication and Buttler completes the easiest run-out since '99.

300 looks tough now.

Blimey ! Smith sold Stoinis down the river there...

Bonus wicket for England. Luck turning ?

Wood cranking it up this over... Gone for a few early but could still have an effect in these later overs...

233. Seven to go. Time for more Stokes ? No ...Woakes is back...

I know his figures don't reflect it (Buttler hates Rashid clearly, another missed stumping off him today!) but thought Rashid bowled well today.

Englans have done well to pull this back in the last 15 overs - looked like Aus would be pushing for 350+ at half way, now needing to push the rate to get to around 300.

Last 15 overs have seen Aus move from 158-1 to 242-5. Less than a run a ball when the rate should have being pushed along at 7 or 8.

Stephen Schmielt on the BBC suggests that there was no mix-up and Smith called Stoinis through and then turned his back. Although Carey hasn't exactly upped the rate and there's not too much else behind him. Australia not really pushing for 300 yet, guess they'll make a move at some point though.

For Rashid 0-49 from your 10 isn't too bad, especially as he came on when Warner and Finch were looking to accelerate.

Afro wrote:

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:ah we know he's getting caught 2nd slip off his first drive don't we

Not at all.

he will look like the most technically gifted batsman around, get to 30 of about 40 balls.

And then he'll get caught at 2nd slip driving

I was like "Blimey England in already ...typical Vince" reading this

Smith picks out Archer perfectly. 250/6. England in command. This has been a much better second half of the innings from England's bowlers (and fielders!).

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:I know his figures don't reflect it (Buttler hates Rashid clearly, another missed stumping off him today!) but thought Rashid bowled well today.

Didn't see all his spell. But certainly seems to have done a job restricting the scoring...even if he continues to miss out on wickets . Maybe he has a wicket taking spell up his sleeve - for India , perhaps ?

Smith uncharacteristically donating his wicket really helps England...

And now Woakes strikes again as Cummins nicks off. Woakes finishing well

Australia crawling over the line a bit here. 259-6 with 3 to go. 300 is a push. 280 would be a good return from them, but England are finishing nicely.

However with their attack and scoreboard pressure and tournament pressure playing on England they might fancy their chances of defending even a more modest 270, 275.

robbo277 wrote:Australia crawling over the line a bit here. 259-6 with 3 to go. 300 is a push. 280 would be a good return from them, but England are finishing nicely.

However with their attack and scoreboard pressure and tournament pressure playing on England they might fancy their chances of defending even a more modest 270, 275.

I think you have to account for the game momentum as well though - England have definitely had the better of the second half of this innings, pretty much regardless of what happens in the next couple of overs. and so will be going in feeling good.

Im not as confident as Id normally be about Englands chances of chasing this down, but a lot more confident than I was an hour ago. England slight favourites Id say.

The tournament has really come alive over the past week, nip and tuck games for the most part.

There may be a happy feeling among some that pulled back Aus.

However any idea of that being a sign of Eng being in ascendancy is an illusion....the score is atleast 25 runs more than par.

It only shows how helpful the pitch is how badly Eng bowled in first 30 odd overs.....and that's where the game slipped from Eng
Ball still seaming around and Aus has 5 good bowlers.

80-20 in Aus's favor.

Only able to watch now and again so far. With Finch on 90 odd and Smith just having joined him when the scoreboard was reading 175/2 off 33, I feared we were going to be chasing north of 330. Good comeback from England to restrict them to 285 from there but still a challenging total and a reflection on how ordinary we were at the start.

I didn't see much of Archer but when I did, he seemed to be lacking a bit of his usual zip. Maybe knowing he had a fitness test this morning made me imagine it but that's how it struck me.

Hmm. 285. Few fours at the end...not sure why Wood didn't bowl his tenth ? Suppose he'd bowled a solid spell...

50/50 I think. If the pre-tournament England turn up they'll get it : if they chase like they did against Pakistan and Sri Lanka it'll be be goodnight.

Excellent recovery from England to put themselves in prime position. About 75-25 in the home side's favour at half-time (doubtless KP_Fan will have it the other way round in his emotional desperation for England to be knocked out early).

England should chase down the 286 very comfortably. I reckon Australia are about 30-40 short of par. And about 70-80 short of what it looked like they were going to get at the halfway stage! Get through the first ten overs and there's very little for the bowlers afterwards, bar a little bit of turn.

Of course, the Aussies fell into the classic 1st innings trap. They were trying to push for 320+ and lost wickets as they chased that goal - England won't have to be nearly as ambitious.

A great chance for Bairstow and Vince to answer their critics; an equally strong opportunity for Root and Morgan and Buttler to underline why they're so highly-rated. Frankly, if England don't win from here, they don't deserve to go through.

Contrasting Duty and KP_fan is fun...

Just shows how opinions (perhaps influenced by emotions ?) can differ widely. One of you gentlemen is going to be very wrong

Me , I'm happy sitting on this fence for now...

I think if you'd offered England that target at the toss they'd have accepted it. Didn't get there in the way expected though - early conditions should have seen Aus 2 or 3 down cheaply but some luck (Warner not being good enough to get an edge to Woakes early on) and some poor bowling put England under big pressure half way through the innings. Very good comeback in the last 20 overs to stop the game running away.

Wonder what odds the bookies were offering at 30 overs that Aus wouldn't make 300.

Very good comeback from England restricting Australia to 285 runs. 320 would have felt more comfortable. Something about this pitch... think Australia did well after losing the toss and getting sent in. It will be interesting to see how England approach this chase. They'll need to be careful and get through the 1st powerplay with minimal damage. Then if the wicket flattens out as the sun comes out (?) they could cruise to victory. But at least Australia has something on the scoreboard to bowl at. Probably rather be in England's position though... just.

Duty281 wrote:Excellent recovery from England to put themselves in prime position. About 75-25 in the home side's favour at half-time (doubtless KP_Fan will have it the other way round in his emotional desperation for England to be knocked out early).

England should chase down the 286 very comfortably. I reckon Australia are about 30-40 short of par. And about 70-80 short of what it looked like they were going to get at the halfway stage! Get through the first ten overs and there's very little for the bowlers afterwards, bar a little bit of turn.

Of course, the Aussies fell into the classic 1st innings trap. They were trying to push for 320+ and lost wickets as they chased that goal - England won't have to be nearly as ambitious.

A great chance for Bairstow and Vince to answer their critics; an equally strong opportunity for Root and Morgan and Buttler to underline why they're so highly-rated. Frankly, if England don't win from here, they don't deserve to go through.

I think your highlighted bit here Duty hits the nail on the head. If they're to have any ambitions of winning this, they have to chase this down. It's a good, not great score from the Aussies - I'd have it more 50/50 for sure (more 60/40 if Roy was opening for England).

Aussies will be disappointed not to have put at least 300 up though from where they were after 30 overs, Stoinis's form with the bat must be a concern (surely Carey must bat above him next game?)

Pal Joey wrote:Very good comeback from England restricting Australia to 285 runs. 320 would have felt more comfortable. Something about this pitch... think Australia did well after losing the toss and getting sent in. It will be interesting to see how England approach this chase. They'll need to be careful and get through the 1st powerplay with minimal damage. Then if the wicket flattens out as the sun comes out (?) they could cruise to victory. But at least Australia has something on the scoreboard to bowl at. Probably rather be in England's position though... just.

20 miles or so south of Lords and it's very cloudy here now.

I wouldn't fancy facing Starc & Cummins in 20 minutes. There again, I wouldn't have fancied being up against 'em at 10.30 this morning ... or any other time come to that!

Duty281 wrote:Excellent recovery from England to put themselves in prime position. About 75-25 in the home side's favour at half-time (doubtless KP_Fan will have it the other way round in his emotional desperation for England to be knocked out early).

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Yeah evil KPF is the last thing standing between Eng and their inevitable win......and all that's needed is for Duty to figure this & reveal to all on this board....., and bang  KPF's conspiracy is busted......and the last hurdle in Eng's win is removed:yahoo:  

BTW...Eng's win/defeat is the obvious big milestones...other markers I will be  observing with keen interest

-How does Eng go about it.....preserving wickets and kocking at 4 to 5RPO...or their "usual" 7RPO
-How does Morgan bat in such material games

Similarly 15 miles north, no sign of it brightening up.

Agree with Duty and Olly though - if England have serious aspirations of winning the competition, chasing down targets like this is a must.

For the love of god put Vince out of his misery

Afro wrote:

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:ah we know he's getting caught 2nd slip off his first drive don't we

Not at all.

he will look like the most technically gifted batsman around, get to 30 of about 40 balls.

And then he'll get caught at 2nd slip driving

Think I'd take the 30 runs now in hindsight. Lasted one more ball than previous openers in the competition....

Crackerjack of a delivery to remove Vince. He did leave a bit of a gap though.

Not the start England wanted...

Aussie studio pundits were very confident between innings. Even flagged Behrendorff opening up.

Not expecting an easy chase...

Vince is absolute pants. Pray for Jason

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:For the love of god put Vince out of his misery

He did

Was a good ball ,to be fair. But yes , Vince is out of his depth. Really need Roy back ; but it may be he won't be able to play before England are either in or virtually out of contention. Makes the Hales business even a worse blow in hindsight.