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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 2:26 pm

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South Africa85-0.08
West Indies83-0.36
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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 4:51 pm

Back here after a few days. Couldn't come after the start of the India-England game. I did say it was a great toss to win for England on the kind of track their A game should work. They batted well, and bowled for the conditions to restrict India. Poor from India in the first 10 and the last 5 too. Can't fault the bowlers much in such conditions. But the batting unit should have done more.
Just like today. They may have done just about enough for today particularly as Bangladesh are without their finisher Mahmudullah who is out injured. But they need to get Shakib soon, the man is going strong, he has had an absolutely incredible World Cup so far. Just went at 4 an over today and picked up a wicket, and now this. Liton Das is a dangerous player in this situation, good they shelved the stupid shuffling of the batting order after one game. Sarkar didn't score big today but he did have a start, and now Das is looking good. Mosaddek can smoke it too, so the bowlers should keep their intensity levels up throughout.

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 4:51 pm

Shakib gets his 6th 50+ score of the tournament...absolute freak run of form. Keeping Bangladesh in this game, just about.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 4:55 pm

Questionable team selection yet again from Kohli. No issue with giving Kuldeep a game off particularly as the small boundaries and flat conditions are likely to work against him today against a side that can play spin. Bringing in Bhuvi is alright too. But Karthik? What on earth is he doing in the side when not keeping wickets? He is not all that good at that job either, but no way is such an inconsistent player good enough to make it as batsman only! Jadeja should have been playing today. Would have made the runs that Karthik was likely to, would have been a proper spin bowling option, and a field from a superior planet altogether. Think if Pant, MS and Hardik are to come in between 4 and 6 according to the match situation, Jadeja is a much superior option to Jadhav at 7 for the tough games. DK can't score against proper spin or decent quick bowling. Can't turn his arm over for an over or 2 even, not the fastest mover on the field. What is he doing out there?

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 4:57 pm

Hardik is going the distance, and Virat has enough time on the field to regret playing DK ahead of Jadeja! Will he bowl Pandya for all 10 or get himself or Rohit for an over or 2?

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 4:59 pm

Just as he was about to lay into Hardik, the bowler gets Liton with a short ball that sat on the pitch...

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Post by dummy_half on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 5:02 pm

msp83 wrote:Questionable team selection yet again from Kohli. No issue with giving Kuldeep a game off particularly as the small boundaries and flat conditions are likely to work against him today against a side that can play spin. Bringing in Bhuvi is alright too. But Karthik? What on earth is he doing in the side when not keeping wickets? He is not all that good at that job either, but no way is such an inconsistent player good enough to make it as batsman only! Jadeja should have been playing today. Would have made the runs that Karthik was likely to, would have been a proper spin bowling option, and a field from a superior planet altogether. Think if Pant, MS and Hardik are to come in between 4 and 6 according to the match situation, Jadeja is a much superior option to Jadhav at 7 for the tough games. DK can't score against proper spin or decent quick bowling. Can't turn his arm over for an over or 2 even, not the fastest mover on the field. What is he doing out there?

Perhaps they've decided for this tournament he's a specialist substitute fielder?
Question from the Ind v Eng game - whose catch was better? Jadeja off Roy or Woakes off Pant?

Anyway, this game is shaping up nicely - probably one wicket too many lost by Bangladesh (with Liton just getting caught), but still competitive.
It's a funny old world where the biggest strength of an Indian cricket team is their seam bowling.

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Post by robbo277 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 5:05 pm

That Liton wicket is probably the one that finally ends any realistic hope Bangladesh had. From 15% chance down to 5%, that's big. That 5% will stay until Shakib goes though.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 5:17 pm

Bumrah was brought back, and he does it without fuss. Bangladesh 5 down, and though Shakib is still going strong, it would need something really special from a support act if he has to see this through.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 5:30 pm

With Shakib gone, that is it for Bangladesh. Hardik with figures of 3 for 46 in 8 ensures Kohli doesn't have to roll his arm over. Good comeback from the India all-rounder...
At one point, India used to have Tendulkar, Ganguly, Sehwag and Yuvraj in the team, any one of them could be a 10 over bowler on their day. In the current, other than Jadhav, there is no parttime bowling option worth talking about. Kohli has bowled in a few games, and Rohit too in a game or 2. But the best parttime option they have is Dhoni in today's 11. Since they have DK and Pant in the side, perhaps Dhoni's medium pace could be given an opportunity if needed if they continue with the same playing side.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 5:46 pm

Shami after 3 fine games, is having a poor one today. Bangladesh batsmen are charging him a bit too often. Shami is capable of cranking it up, think he should look for the base of the stumps a bit more. Would do his confidence if he can add a couple more wickets today.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 5:47 pm

This guy Saifuddin can bat...

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 5:49 pm

Good replacement for Mashrafe once he leaves after the WC. Can hold a bat, hit them big, and an honest seamer. Not as sharp as Mortaza in his peack, but is decent enough. Perhaps Taskin or Jaid will make the step up to join The Fiz and Saifuddin so that Bangladesh will have a credible enough seam bowling unit.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 5:51 pm

Sabir doing a decent job of standing in for Mahmudullah. If only he had Mahmudullah's maturity as well on and off the field...

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 5:57 pm

Damp squib in the end then, any hope of a tense finish surely gone. Bangladesh, or at least Shakib, havent done too bad here really but just lack enough players to really back him up.
I do agree with msp regarding DK, Jadeja must be a bit miffed ( although just to be picky theres only 1 short boundary, the other side is pretty long. It also didnt stop the worlds greatest batsman getting caught on the rope)


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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:02 pm

This partnership, if they bat another 3 overs, can trouble India and Kohli. Shami's offday continues and he has to bowl another 2 more. There are 3 overs to come from Jasprit Bumrah, but all 3 frontline seamers have to tighten up to avoid any slip. Bangladesh wouldn't be saving their wickets for the 51st over to start the charge like India did against England...

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:05 pm

69 of 42 is pretty much within the realms of possibility in this day and age. Think they should go for it even against Bumrah. There is Mortaza to come as well, the Bangladesh skipper can still hit them long if he connects.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:06 pm

Well, Bumrah is having none of it, comes back on, and again without fuss, gets the job done as he cleans up Sabir with a slower one!

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:13 pm

Mortaza goes after connecting one big hit. Bhuvneshwar gets his first wicket of the match.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:17 pm

Bangladesh need 50 in the last 5. If they had a couple of set batsmen, they could still have made it a more serious challenge than it looks currently. Saifuddin is not going down without trying though.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:19 pm

Even Rubel seems to be determined to show MSD and Kedar how it has to be approached!

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:21 pm

They are 8 down, but Bangladesh aren't going down without a fight even now! Even Bumrah is not spared...
If only! If only Mushfiqur hadn't fluffed that Williamson run-out!

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:24 pm

Shami on, if he gos for a few in this over, things could still get tricky for India. Bumrah has one, Bhuvi has 1 and Shami has one after this! Saif isn't giving up!

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:26 pm

They need 35 of 20. Couple of big hits away in the next over or so, and if they are still together going into the last 2, Bangladesh can snatch it back!

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:27 pm

Part of me has on eye on the tipping competition here...the rest if me wants to see kholi meltdown on the press conference

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:29 pm

That's an excellent half-century for Saifuddin!

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:30 pm

Jasprit Bumrah has 2 more balls to make one last telling impact for his side here for the day. If he doesn't, then we could be up for anything!

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:31 pm

And Bumrah does it again!! Cleans up Rubel. Will he finish the job and take the burden off Bhuvi and Shami?

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:32 pm

Indeed he does!!

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:33 pm

And still, they'll give the Man of the Match to Rohit!

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:37 pm

Good on Bangladesh to lose in style and with dignity. At one point, it looked as though they were going to be severely thrashed; instead they lost by a respectable margin.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 6:39 pm

Yes, Bumrah has been robbed!

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 7:39 pm

Players of the cup so far?
Rohit
Bumrah
Warner
Shakib
Amir
The short boundary at edgbaston

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 7:44 pm

Rohit has two chances to become the first man to score 5 centuries in one World Cup. Aided by more matches in this tournament mind you.

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 7:45 pm

-India showed enough flexibility to not stick to their preferred template and picked up an 11 better suited for flat strip and small boundaries.
Although I think they overcompensated a bit by bringing DK instead of Jadhav.

They erred in not giving Shami the new ball and should look at bowling him out in first 30 overs.
He bowls test match lengths and his slower bowl is not well disguised...hence not ideal for death.

Bhuvi or Shami debate is open again and now Buvi clearly ahead with his death bowling skills.

The Indian approach showed when the other side "also" gets 4 days to plan for flat pitch-small-boundary, they will mend their game plan accordingly.

-I think in next game DK will sit out and jadhav or Mayan will be back.
We might see Jadeja play and that will give us batting down to No. 9....and in the last game we find out optimal-11.


-BD bats well in chase and falls short like WI does, except when they play WI...nothing wrong with their batting....they need one of two potent bowlers who could concede 20 runs less
Shakib the greatest allrounder in the world

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 7:56 pm

-Tomm Eng could knock out Pak.....NZ looks OK even if they loose unless they get hammed by a 100 runs and Pak wins by a 100 run vs BD Shocked

-if I was Williamson I would measure the length of the boundaries tomm morning just to ensure they have not automatically & inadvertently rolled in overnight.
And also check the coin he is asked to toss & Morgan will call accidentally doesn't have heads on both sides. Very Happy

-On a serious note NZ look a more rounded side who have shown to absorb the pressure of chase much better than Eng have.
They have a solid 3 seamers who in mildly helpful conditions can restrict the opposition to a middish total that their batters can chase.

So NZ start as favorite as they can win both batting first and chasing.....while Eng we know need a holy constellation of 9 stars to align to facilitate a winning situation.

-NZ has fast bowlers who will undoubtedly target Morgan's body with short pitch...he has to work hard on not walking away and doing an uncontrolled hoik hook again.
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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 8:16 pm

KP_fan wrote:-

So NZ start as favorite as they can win both batting first and chasing.

Yet you spent so much time running new zealand down till they came to play england

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 8:18 pm

Gooseberry wrote:
KP_fan wrote:-

So NZ start as favorite as they can win both batting first and chasing.

Yet you spent so much time running new zealand down till they came to play england

I did not run them down....just put them in the due place.......and that they are still favorite tells us what Eng's due place is in this world cup.
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Post by jimbohammers on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 8:33 pm

Will Kohli get a ban for disrespecting the Umpires? Or is he allowed to do that?

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 8:41 pm

KP_fan wrote:So NZ start as favorite as they can win both batting first and chasing.....while Eng we know need a holy constellation of 9 stars to align to facilitate a winning situation.
 
Unsurprisingly, the bookmakers do not see it this way as they make England strong 2/5 favourites, which seems about right. 

Glad you've woken up to the very outside possibility of Pakistan supplanting NZ; something I pointed out to you last week, but which you dismissed by saying England were more likely to finish 6th/7th. Laugh

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Post by JDizzle on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 8:47 pm

Durham tends to be a pretty flat track these days, and has been this WC too. I expect NZ will bring back in Henry, and England will be unchanged if Jof and Roy are fit. Hopefully we can get the job done and don’t end up relying on Bangladesh to beat Pakistan.

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 02 Jul 2019, 9:02 pm

Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:So NZ start as favorite as they can win both batting first and chasing.....while Eng we know need a holy constellation of 9 stars to align to facilitate a winning situation.
 
Unsurprisingly, the bookmakers do not see it this way as they make England strong 2/5 favourites, which seems about right. 

Glad you've woken up to the very outside possibility of Pakistan supplanting NZ; something I pointed out to you last week, but which you dismissed by saying England were more likely to finish 6th/7th. Laugh

you were right about NZ's outside possibility of being eliminated .

Put your money on NZ....NZ's chance of winning is much better than the 2/1 bookies offer.
That way you either enjoy Eng's march into semis or a consolation few bucks.


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