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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:46 am

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12244679

Warren Gatland will return to New Zealand to coach the Chiefs after the World Cup. Radio Sport reported this morning Gatland has signed a four-year deal to return to the Waikato for the 2020 Super Rugby season, which was later confirmed by the club...He will be released next August to coach the British and Irish Lions and return for the 2022 and 2023 Super Rugby campaigns.

Gatland said he was grateful for the chance to return home to New Zealand to coach a side he has a strong connection to.

"I am really excited about the opportunity to come back home. The opportunity to come back as head coach of the Chiefs is something that I am really looking forward to. The Chiefs are well known for the success they've had both on and off the field and the really loyal support they have from everyone within the Chiefs region.

"I am excited to come back and be a part of the Chiefs community with the players, the fans, the sponsors, it's something I really look forward to."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12244706
New Zealand Rugby have made a "massive concession" by appointing Warren Gatland as Chiefs coach, according to former All Black Justin Marshall.Radio Sport revealed this morning that Gatland has signed a four-year deal to return to the Waikato for the 2020 Super Rugby season but will be released next August to coach the British and Irish Lions, before returning to New Zealand for the 2022 and 2023 Super Rugby campaigns.

Marshall said New Zealand Rugby won't be happy about the special terms of Gatland's contract, but it was the right play to make."It's a massive concession," Marshall told Radio Sport. "The New Zealand Rugby Union have not often given too much leniency when it involves helping the rest of the world. And to an extent that's what Warren Gatland will be doing. There's also a bit of information from New Zealand Rugby that he'll be taking with him.

"They won't be happy about it, but they see the value of having him here, and are prepared to concede that to let him go and coach the Lions and bring a bit of the skillset, information, ideas into the Lions camp, which educates players from the northern hemisphere. But they still see there's more value in having him in New Zealand than not, so they're prepared to let the rope out a little bit. I think that's brilliant. We've got to move with the future, and we've got to look at the overall picture rather than the short-term one. This is showing more compassion."

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Post by Pie on Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:55 am

Taylorman must be crying in his milk right now Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo

Next stop ABs coach congrats Gats

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Post by Pie on Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:58 am

Pie wrote:Taylorman must be crying in his milk right now Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo

Next stop ABs coach congrats Gats

Just love how NZRU think that NH needs some help regarding bringing some experience into the Lions camp...ah the arrogance of these folks is just mind blowing. Simple fact is they want he most successful coach in the NH back to teach them a thing or two.

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Post by Taylorman on Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:04 am

Pie wrote:Taylorman must be crying in his milk right now Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo

Next stop ABs coach congrats Gats

Why? This is exactly what he should be doing if he wants to be AB coach. he needs to regain the feel for NZ rugby as he knows little about todays players.

Does look like he's being bypassed as Hansens replacement, for good reason. This is a good result for NZ. He'll have a tough time bringing the Chiefs up to Crusaders standards. Be interesting to know what Chiefs fans think. He'll be an improvement on Cooper who lost his way a bit beginning of the season but stormed home when players became available.

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Post by Taylorman on Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:08 am

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Just love how NZRU think that NH needs some help regarding bringing some experience into the Lions camp...ah the arrogance of these folks is just mind blowing. Simple fact is they want he most successful coach in the NH back to teach them a thing or two.

What part of reappointing Gats for the Lions isnt to do with the NH needing help pie?

Wales needed it, successive Lions tours needed it, and now even when hes back they still need it, and Wales have chosen yet another NZ coach (how many is that now?) to lead them.

Do share. Who is encouraging that 'arrogance'?

Us, or you?

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Post by Taylorman on Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:24 am

Some Chiefs fans already resistant to Warrenball in their midst. He certainly wont have had someone like DMac running around unchecked so that little relationship will be interesting.

Will make Super rugby interesting anyway. Cooper's a long time stalwart that wasnt really going much further.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:09 am

Huge news. This is what Gats wanted, to coach in super rugby so that he could be given a shot at the ABs job. There was previous uncertainty but now we know for sure, he wants the big prize. He will get succsss with the Chiefs, it’s just a matter of time before he gets the big prize, 4 or 8 years. Good luck to the guy, I’ve nothing but respect for him. Excellent coach thumbsup

PS anyone know if/how this affects his Lions stint in SA? Going by the article he’ll just pop out to coach the lion and then nip back in?

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Post by Taylorman on Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:33 am

Big assumption that he’ll get success with the Chiefs, assuming winning the comp is the measure. It depends on how successful he is in expanding his game plan. Warren ball has Chiefs fans nervous already.

Only Rennie has done that in 23 years of the comp, twice.

There are better squads as well.

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Post by maestegmafia on Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:36 am

Good luck to him. He wanted to coach at home and he gets his opportunity. He will do well I’m sure, he is a fantastic coach.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:24 am

I wonder what he, or his employers, will regard as success with the Chiefs.

Not a lot of international coaches go on to/back to successful stints as club coaches. I can think of Bernard Laporte winning silverware with Toulon, while Stuart Lancaster has had a decent couple of seasons with Leinster. Andy Robinson did all right with Edinburgh for a couple of seasons but Bristol was a disaster. Bob Dwyer had a patchy record in the Premership, and with the Waratahs.

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Post by Pie on Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:39 am

Taylorman wrote:
Pie wrote:

Just love how NZRU think that NH needs some help regarding bringing some experience into the Lions camp...ah the arrogance of these folks is just mind blowing. Simple fact is they want he most successful coach in the NH back to teach them a thing or two.

What part of reappointing Gats for the Lions isnt to do with the NH needing help pie?

Wales needed it, successive Lions tours needed it, and now even when hes back they still need it, and Wales have chosen yet another NZ coach (how many is that now?) to lead them.

Do share. Who is encouraging that 'arrogance'?

Us, or you?

Gats is a NH coach now, you'll be benefiting form his knowledge of NH rugby, I'd say you lot need it after losing 7/10 games on the last Lions tour thumbsup

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:06 am

Rugby Fan wrote:I wonder what he, or his employers, will regard as success with the Chiefs.

Ummmm, winning?

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Post by Taylorman on Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:47 am

Pie wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
Pie wrote:

Just love how NZRU think that NH needs some help regarding bringing some experience into the Lions camp...ah the arrogance of these folks is just mind blowing. Simple fact is they want he most successful coach in the NH back to teach them a thing or two.

What part of reappointing Gats for the Lions isnt to do with the NH needing help pie?

Wales needed it, successive Lions tours needed it, and now even when hes back they still need it, and Wales have chosen yet another NZ coach (how many is that now?) to lead them.

Do share. Who is encouraging that 'arrogance'?

Us, or you?

Gats is a NH coach now, you'll be benefiting form his knowledge of NH rugby, I'd say you lot need it after losing 7/10 games on the last Lions tour thumbsup

Yes it takes four countries to do that here. Wales, Ireland and Scotland have never won a test here. I think we’re ok there. Why would we need NH rugby fir SH players? doesnt make sense. He’ll need to get used to NZ rugby now, and not app,y such limited gameplans, which are partly there to reduce damage.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:25 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
Rugby Fan wrote:I wonder what he, or his employers, will regard as success with the Chiefs.

Ummmm, winning?
That's taken for granted. The question is, how well the Chiefs need to do for Gatland to be deemed a success. Does he have to win Super Rugby with them in his first season? Or his second season? If not, will it be enough to reach the quarter finals, as the Chiefs did this year, or will Gatland be expected to make it to a semi-finals, or final. Will the style of play matter, or will results on the field be the only metric?

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:16 pm

So how long before Gatland Jnr signs for Chiefs?

I'm not sure how flexible Gatland will be in terms of changing from Gatland Ball. He did adopt the two playmaker combination during the Lions AB tour so he doesn't always select the two biggest centres he can find. What might be the biggest issue for him is defence, over the last however many years he's looked to Shaun Edwards to mastermind that area and he won't have that at the Chiefs. This year's grand slam was pretty much all because of the defence which was incredible.

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Post by Brendan on Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:06 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:So how long before Gatland Jnr signs for Chiefs?

I'm not sure how flexible Gatland will be in terms of changing from Gatland Ball. He did adopt the two playmaker combination during the Lions AB tour so he doesn't always select the two biggest centres he can find. What might be the biggest issue for him is defence, over the last however many years he's looked to Shaun Edwards to mastermind that area and he won't have that at the Chiefs. This year's grand slam was pretty much all because of the defence which was incredible.

It's Super Rugby, standard NH defence will be consider really good in it. Crusaders aren't exactly the run it from everywhere type of team but more of a machine like Sarries, so winning will be what matters.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:00 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
Rugby Fan wrote:I wonder what he, or his employers, will regard as success with the Chiefs.

Ummmm, winning?
That's taken for granted. The question is, how well the Chiefs need to do for Gatland to be deemed a success. Does he have to win Super Rugby with them in his first season? Or his second season? If not, will it be enough to reach the quarter finals, as the Chiefs did this year, or will Gatland be expected to make it to a semi-finals, or final. Will the style of play matter, or will results on the field be the only metric?

Would have to be a dominant period for the Chiefs, at least two SR titles including wins over the current pace-setters Crusaders and Jaguares- Gatland knows how to beat teams who play like they do. The difference between Rennie and Gatland is that Gatland has been elsewhere for a number of years and achieved highly, plus there’s no Graham Henry around. It seems Gatland is very likely to get the ABs job after his 4 years with the Chiefs is up.

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