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Post by maestegmafia on Thu 29 Aug 2019, 1:46 pm

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7th SEPTEMBER 2019
KO: 14:00
IRELAND VS WALES
Aviva Stadium

Ireland

15. Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 91 caps
14. Jordan Larmour (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 15 caps
13. Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 37 caps
12. Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 19 caps
11. Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 77 caps
10. Jonathan Sexton (St Marys College/Leinster) 83 caps
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 73 caps

1. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 90 caps
2. Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) 119 caps CAPTAIN
3. Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 35 caps
4. James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 18 caps
5. Jean Kleyn (Munster) 2 caps
6. CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 32 caps
7. Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 18 caps
8. Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 15 caps

Replacements
16. Sean Cronin (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 69 caps
17. Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 30 caps
18. Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 17 caps
19. Iain Henderson (Queens University/Ulster) 47 caps
20. Rhys Ruddock (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 22
21. Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 13 caps
22. Jack Carty (Buccaneers/Connacht) 6 caps
23. Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 23 caps


Wales

Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets); George North (Ospreys), Jonathan Davies (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets), Josh Adams (Worcester Warriors); Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues); Wyn Jones (Scarlets), Elliot Dee (Dragons), Tomas Francis (Exeter), Jake Ball (Scarlets), Alun Wyn Jones (capt, Ospreys), Aaron Wainwright (Dragons), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Ross Moriarty (Dragons).

Replacements: Ken Owens (Scarlets), Nicky Smith (Ospreys), Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues), Adam Beard (Ospreys), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Gareth Davies (Scarlets), Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints), Owen Watkin (Ospreys)


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Post by Shifty on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:33 pm

Subs should of come on on 55 minutes not 65 minutes, this game is probably beyond Wales at the moment, we're awful up front, and can't seem to string two passes together behind. Pack deficiencies are very, very worrying.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:33 pm

That wasn’t a high tackle laughing

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Post by No9 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:34 pm

Good god.... Navidi tackle was nothing.... Irish have been around the neck all day...

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:34 pm

Ref has been quite generous with Wales today but that often the way when a side is getting dominated.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:35 pm

Wales have struggled to create anything much all game. Nothing at all in the 2nd half.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:36 pm

The ref said on-field decision was a try before he spoke to Barnes - it was the commentator that said the ref called it as held up which was wrong as he was just signalling time-off/TMO.


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Post by No9 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:37 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Ref has been quite generous with Wales today but that often the way when a side is getting dominated.

LOL....you must have been hitting the Guinness hard today...

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Post by Shifty on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:38 pm

It's obvious Wales should not have Navidi and Tipuric in the same back row, 2 light weight flankers  is not working today. The front row is also a real concern in the scrum.  Wales ball retention going into the tackle has been shocking as well.
Wales are simply too light weight to be competitve.


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Post by The Oracle on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:39 pm

Shifty wrote:It's obvious Wales should not have Navidi and Tipuric in the same back row, 2 light weight flankers  is not working today. The front row is also a real concern in the screum.  Wales ball retention going into the tackle has been shocking as well.  

Navidi only just came on! Also, the front row has gone good generally, one penalty aside. It’s been stable all game.


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Post by No9 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:40 pm

Heaf wrote:The ref said on-field decision was a try before he spoke to Barnes - it was the commentator that said the ref called it as held up which was wrong as he was just signalling time-off.

Don’t talk ball aches.... ref said held up and signalled held up before Barnes came in questioning it and hence ref signalling for TMO. Refs do use hand signals as well as saying you know.... learn the rules.

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Post by Shifty on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:40 pm

The Oracle wrote:
Shifty wrote:It's obvious Wales should not have Navidi and Tipuric in the same back row, 2 light weight flankers  is not working today. The front row is also a real concern in the screum.  Wales ball retention going into the tackle has been shocking as well.  

Navidi only just came on!

Yes, but their making more yards now when their running into the fringes around the rucks.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:42 pm

Advantage for what this time? Raynal seems to be making up his own rules as the game goes on.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:42 pm

No clue how Wales have avoided a yellow today. Constant spoiling

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:42 pm

No9 wrote:
Heaf wrote:The ref said on-field decision was a try before he spoke to Barnes - it was the commentator that said the ref called it as held up which was wrong as he was just signalling time-off.

Don’t talk ball aches.... ref said held up and signalled held up before Barnes came in questioning it and hence ref signalling for TMO. Refs do use hand signals as well as saying you know.... learn the rules.

Heaf is right. Ref said he thought it was a try. I’m not sure he could ever have seen a clear try, but Heaf is spot on.

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Post by No9 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:43 pm

16 man Irish and French coalition beat Wales...

Look forward to better quality of officiating in the RWC.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:43 pm

No you're wrong No 9. He signalled time off and said it's an on field decision as try.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:44 pm

No9 wrote:
Heaf wrote:The ref said on-field decision was a try before he spoke to Barnes - it was the commentator that said the ref called it as held up which was wrong as he was just signalling time-off.

Don’t talk ball aches.... ref said held up and signalled held up before Barnes came in questioning it and hence ref signalling for TMO. Refs do use hand signals as well as saying you know.... learn the rules.

If you bother to listen you can clearly hear him saying several times "on field decision is try for me" ... and I do know the laws thanks ... and he makes a clear T sign with his hands - no sign of the held-up signal or mention of it from the ref - the commentator got it wrong.


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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:44 pm

He’s making up his own offside line....

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Post by BigGee on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:44 pm

Someone going to get binned for that maul going down surely

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:44 pm

About time

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:45 pm

And bins the wrong guy...

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Post by ebop on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:45 pm

Jamie Heaslip is a terrible commentator, lol
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:45 pm

No9 wrote:16 man Irish and French coalition beat Wales...

Look forward to better quality of officiating in the RWC.

Nothing at all to do with Ireland being better?

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Post by Shifty on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:46 pm

Another frustrating Poopie show of a rugby game. Very, very poor Welsh performance.
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Post by No9 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:46 pm

RiscaGame wrote:
No9 wrote:
Heaf wrote:The ref said on-field decision was a try before he spoke to Barnes - it was the commentator that said the ref called it as held up which was wrong as he was just signalling time-off.

Don’t talk ball aches.... ref said held up and signalled held up before Barnes came in questioning it and hence ref signalling for TMO. Refs do use hand signals as well as saying you know.... learn the rules.

Heaf is right. Ref said he thought it was a try. I’m not sure he could ever have seen a clear try, but Heaf is spot on.

When he blew his whistle he said and signalled held up. What he said to Barnes after the clock was off before going to TMO has no bearing. When TMO said on filed decision, the on field decision was held up.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:48 pm

Great win for Ireland in the one that counted. #1

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:48 pm

Surprised he didn’t give that as a try.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:49 pm

No9 wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:
No9 wrote:
Heaf wrote:The ref said on-field decision was a try before he spoke to Barnes - it was the commentator that said the ref called it as held up which was wrong as he was just signalling time-off.

Don’t talk ball aches.... ref said held up and signalled held up before Barnes came in questioning it and hence ref signalling for TMO. Refs do use hand signals as well as saying you know.... learn the rules.

Heaf is right. Ref said he thought it was a try. I’m not sure he could ever have seen a clear try, but Heaf is spot on.

When he blew his whistle he said and signalled held up. What he said to Barnes after the clock was off before going to TMO has no bearing. When TMO said on filed decision, the on field decision was held up.



Stop blydi whining, mun!
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:49 pm

Why did he bin Beard when the (incorrect) offside call (latest supposed penalty) was against JD2?

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:49 pm

No9 wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:
No9 wrote:
Heaf wrote:The ref said on-field decision was a try before he spoke to Barnes - it was the commentator that said the ref called it as held up which was wrong as he was just signalling time-off.

Don’t talk ball aches.... ref said held up and signalled held up before Barnes came in questioning it and hence ref signalling for TMO. Refs do use hand signals as well as saying you know.... learn the rules.

Heaf is right. Ref said he thought it was a try. I’m not sure he could ever have seen a clear try, but Heaf is spot on.

When he blew his whistle he said and signalled held up. What he said to Barnes after the clock was off before going to TMO has no bearing. When TMO said on filed decision, the on field decision was held up.

I’ve rewound it. He never said held up, the commentator did. He never signalled held up, he signalled time off.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:50 pm

charity decision for Wales on that last scrum. Dominated the scrum again although not as much as last time.


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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:50 pm

Crucial decision not called that swung momentum in Ireland’s favour; AWJ won a turnover but holding on wasn’t called. Ireland persisted with the scrum and scored through Furlong.

Stander takes the ball outside the Irish 22, Murray kicks out on the full. Lineout isn’t back at the 22 like it should be, would’ve swung momentum to Wales.

Raynal just a bit odd with a few other calls; like the high tackle that never was, then going to the TMO for Ryan’s try but then remembering he has Superman X-Ray vision. He didn’t give a high tackle call against Sexton either but was giving incorrect ones against Wales. Like I said the other day, Ireland only beat Wales these days by relying on decisions like these, just like last week and the time we had to endure Glen Jackson (now dumped from the elite panel). We weren’t good enough to get back into the game today and it was disappointing how we fell apart. But Ireland are overrated and Schmidt is out of ideas.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:51 pm

No9 wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:
No9 wrote:
Heaf wrote:The ref said on-field decision was a try before he spoke to Barnes - it was the commentator that said the ref called it as held up which was wrong as he was just signalling time-off.

Don’t talk ball aches.... ref said held up and signalled held up before Barnes came in questioning it and hence ref signalling for TMO. Refs do use hand signals as well as saying you know.... learn the rules.

Heaf is right. Ref said he thought it was a try. I’m not sure he could ever have seen a clear try, but Heaf is spot on.

When he blew his whistle he said and signalled held up. What he said to Barnes after the clock was off before going to TMO has no bearing. When TMO said on filed decision, the on field decision was held up.

Jeez now you're just seeing and hearing things that didn't happen - I've watched the replay several times to make sure I'm not talking 'ball aches' to use your terminology ... and others on here have heard/saw the same as me ...

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Post by SecretFly on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:51 pm

Two hard hard sides.

Salute.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:51 pm

Congrats Ireland. Well deserved. No shame to be beaten by the no.1 team in the world! But lots to work on for Wales.

I hope that no.1 tag hanging around your necks doesn’t weigh you down too much going in to the World Cup Wink

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:52 pm

Schmidts masterplan taking shape. Peaking at the right time.

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Post by BigGee on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:52 pm

Ireland win again, without ever really hitting top gear

Wales have fallen a little bit off their best form as well

Are warm up games any real guide to form in any case?

I would imagine both sides will be going off to the WC in pretty reasonable shape.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:52 pm

Where was JD2?! Team sheet said he was starting but I don’t think I saw him!
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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:53 pm

SecretFly wrote:Two hard hard sides.

Salute.

Physicality wise, it’s exactly what we both needed. I’m glad Wales have Georgia up first and not Fiji or Australia.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:53 pm

BigGee wrote:Ireland win again, without ever really hitting top gear

Wales have fallen a little bit off their best form as well

Are warm up games any real guide to form in any case?

I would imagine both sides will be going off to the WC in pretty reasonable shape.

Not really but this one was definitely Irelands most important one.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:53 pm

BigGee wrote:Ireland win again, without ever really hitting top gear

Wales have fallen a little bit off their best form as well

Are warm up games any real guide to form in any case?

I would imagine both sides will be going off to the WC in pretty reasonable shape.


I’d estimate that Wales were holding back about 10 points worth Wink
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Post by LondonTiger on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:54 pm

Heaf wrote:
No9 wrote:
Heaf wrote:The ref said on-field decision was a try before he spoke to Barnes - it was the commentator that said the ref called it as held up which was wrong as he was just signalling time-off.

Don’t talk ball aches.... ref said held up and signalled held up before Barnes came in questioning it and hence ref signalling for TMO. Refs do use hand signals as well as saying you know.... learn the rules.

If you bother to listen you can clearly hear him saying several times "on field decision is try for me" ... and I do know the laws thanks ... and he makes a clear T sign with his hands - no sign of the held-up signal or mention of it from the ref - the commentator got it wrong.

He did initially seem to suggest held up, but after an extra look and discussion with Barnes he changed his mind. Crucial thing is he asked "Any reason I cannot award a try"

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Post by LondonTiger on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:56 pm

The Oracle wrote:Where was JD2?! Team sheet said he was starting but I don’t think I saw him!


Yeah you did, he missed the tackle on Henshaw for his try  Cool

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Post by LondonTiger on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:56 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Schmidts masterplan taking shape. Peaking at the right time.

Lol.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:57 pm

Sorry LT - he didn't at all ....

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:57 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Schmidts masterplan taking shape. Peaking at the right time.

Lol.

Im being serious. It was always about hitting form for the Scotland game

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:58 pm

Very disappointed with Wales. Full credit to Ireland for not letting Wales back into the game. Ireland seemed back to their physical, suffocating best there. clap
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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:58 pm

A totaly different game in the second half.

The amount of ball Wales had in the first half and able to build up a big enough lead at half time.

Well played Ireland a good win.

Both teams played really well a good game in the end.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:59 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
The Oracle wrote:Where was JD2?! Team sheet said he was starting but I don’t think I saw him!


Yeah you did, he missed the tackle on Henshaw for his try  Cool

I think I was watching Henshaw Smile
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Post by LondonTiger on Sat 07 Sep 2019, 3:59 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Crucial decision not called that swung momentum in Ireland’s favour; AWJ won a turnover but holding on wasn’t called. Ireland persisted with the scrum and scored through Furlong.

Stander takes the ball outside the Irish 22, Murray kicks out on the full. Lineout isn’t back at the 22 like it should be, would’ve swung momentum to Wales.

Raynal just a bit odd with a few other calls; like the high tackle that never was, then going to the TMO for Ryan’s try but then remembering he has Superman X-Ray vision. He didn’t give a high tackle call against Sexton either but was giving incorrect ones against Wales. Like I said the other day, Ireland only beat Wales these days by relying on decisions like these, just like last week and the time we had to endure Glen Jackson (now dumped from the elite panel). We weren’t good enough to get back into the game today and it was disappointing how we fell apart. But Ireland are overrated and Schmidt is out of ideas.

After all your whinging in the last two hours (and in the aftermath of last week's game), really not sure you should ever feel entitled to accuse others of "ref blaming"

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