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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 07 Sep 2019, 1:49 pm

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I don't understand why Buttler isn't hogging the strike here.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:46 am

I'm not too sure about that. But what a horrible series for Warner. Almost cruel Australia haven't dropped him by this point.

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Post by eirebilly Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:46 am

I guess that was a very good referral by Root?
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Post by Afro Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:46 am

Warner didn't hit that. I'll take it, but looks a very lucky one IMO, and makes me question the reliability of snicko, not for the first time this series
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:47 am

Warner's constant failures have been a real highlight of the summer
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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:48 am

Vaughan says it was not out whilst Maxwell seems pretty adamant that Warner knew he'd hit it, i'll have to wait for the replay.

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Post by Afro Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:49 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Warner's constant failures have been a real highlight of the summer

Agreed. Couldn't happen to a more deserving person
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:51 am

Warner didn’t look too annoyed

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Post by Duty281 Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:52 am

Why do you need a 3rd umpire for that?! England barely appealed.

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Post by robbo277 Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:55 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Warner didn’t look too annoyed

Probably just glad to be almost home, the summer he's had.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:56 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Warner's constant failures have been a real highlight of the summer

Currently averaging 9 for the series. In total he's scored 84 runs from 9 innings, though 61 of those were from one knock!

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Post by king_carlos Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:57 am

https://crickettimes.com/2019/09/warner-admitted-to-using-substances-to-deteriorate-condition-of-ball-alastair-cook/

Chef just adding some more joy to Warner's series.

In fairness his slip catching has been a notch above the others in this series. Not what he's picked for but still...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:03 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Warner's constant failures have been a real highlight of the summer

Currently averaging 9 for the series. In total he's scored 84 runs from 9 innings, though 61 of those were from one knock!

And I've genuinely no idea how he made 61 in that knock either!
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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:05 pm

king_carlos wrote:https://crickettimes.com/2019/09/warner-admitted-to-using-substances-to-deteriorate-condition-of-ball-alastair-cook/

Chef just adding some more joy to Warner's series.

In fairness his slip catching has been a notch above the others in this series. Not what he's picked for but still...

The unfortunate thing in all this is that there will always be question marks over the exploits of Cummins and Hazelwood.

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Post by compelling and rich Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:06 pm

archer bowling well here, rubbishing the woakes should open love in on here

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Post by Duty281 Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:07 pm

Blimey, Australia are two down for not very much. Who could have predicted that?!

Now time for the main battle.

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Post by compelling and rich Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:08 pm

Duty281 wrote:Blimey, Australia are two down for not very much. Who could have predicted that?!

Now time for the main battle.

its ok duty, ive had a bet on him he's bound to fail now with my recent track record

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:11 pm

compelling and rich wrote:archer bowling well here, rubbishing the woakes should open love in on here

I love me some Sir Chris, but Jofra has been dynamite with the new rock this series, and ultimately Woakes has bowled pretty meh all series (he is still allowed to be effective first change.)

Now lets see how many Smith racks up today!
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Post by robbo277 Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:21 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:archer bowling well here, rubbishing the woakes should open love in on here

I love me some Sir Chris, but Jofra has been dynamite with the new rock this series, and ultimately Woakes has bowled pretty meh all series (he is still allowed to be effective first change.)

Now lets see how many Smith racks up today!

It's not just the older ball, but the batsman you face. When 1 and 2 are going cheaply, your new ball bowlers are going to get something in the wicket column. Then they bowl to Labuschagne and Smith as they see themselves in. Then you bring Woakes on and you have the world's best batsman set and bowling is a lot harder, despite the ball.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:31 pm

Labuschagne apparently out caught down the leg side, but England didn't even appeal. Oh well.

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Post by compelling and rich Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:34 pm

robbo277 wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:archer bowling well here, rubbishing the woakes should open love in on here

I love me some Sir Chris, but Jofra has been dynamite with the new rock this series, and ultimately Woakes has bowled pretty meh all series (he is still allowed to be effective first change.)

Now lets see how many Smith racks up today!

It's not just the older ball, but the batsman you face. When 1 and 2 are going cheaply, your new ball bowlers are going to get something in the wicket column. Then they bowl to Labuschagne and Smith as they see themselves in. Then you bring Woakes on and you have the world's best batsman set and bowling is a lot harder, despite the ball.

short spells for all, id bring woakes on for archer soon. the new ball is still fresh as are the two batsmen so no excuses. soon as woakes and curran bowl some pies at these im sure people will blame the opening two for getting the openers out too early and letting the two best aus batsmen get in

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Post by Duty281 Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:38 pm

Curran bowling some loopy dross. Smith loving it.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:39 pm

Why is Archer still bowling?

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Post by compelling and rich Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:43 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:Why is Archer still bowling?

id guess because he's bowling very well against their two best batsmen while they are still new to the crease

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Post by Gooseberry Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:45 pm

Hes only done a spell of 7 overs with the last one being a maiden with a genuine miss SR....the real question should be why is Sam Curran bowling.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:48 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:Why is Archer still bowling?

id guess because he's bowling very well against their two best batsmen while they are still new to the crease

So we do the same thing we've done all season and bowl him into the ground, he's a fast bowler that should be bowling short spells.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:49 pm

Curran batting and bowling ahead of Woakes further raises my suspicion that theres some kind of issue between Root and Woakes. Its very much a pert conspiracy theory but I just cant understand why they are so reluctant to trust a player who has such a ridiculous record at home. The below par performances with the ball came after he had already been pushed down the pecking order. How anyone thinks Curran was a better bet to steady the batting than SCW I just dont know (not that he did anything but in theory hes far closer to being a proper batsman)
The new ball partnership with Broad had been every bit as successful as Broad Anderson and Broad Archer have been.


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Post by Gooseberry Fri 13 Sep 2019, 12:50 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:Why is Archer still bowling?

id guess because he's bowling very well against their two best batsmen while they are still new to the crease

So we do the same thing we've done all season and bowl him into the ground, he's a fast bowler that should be bowling short spells.

7 overs is a short spell. The openers often do 11.

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Post by GSC Fri 13 Sep 2019, 1:00 pm

Woakes isn't exactly proving he was hard done by in the 4th test
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Post by compelling and rich Fri 13 Sep 2019, 1:01 pm

Gooseberry wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:Why is Archer still bowling?

id guess because he's bowling very well against their two best batsmen while they are still new to the crease

So we do the same thing we've done all season and bowl him into the ground, he's a fast bowler that should be bowling short spells.

7 overs is a short spell. The openers often do 11.

lunch shortly aswell to give him a proper rest, he could easily come out and do the first 5 after lunch and still be fresh

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 13 Sep 2019, 1:12 pm

Curran has been interesting. He isn’t consistent but I don’t think he’s looked ineffective. Woakes has, and god knows what’s happened. Is it that when it’s not swinging, he’s not a test bowler?

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 13 Sep 2019, 2:32 pm

Jof versus Australia

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Post by compelling and rich Fri 13 Sep 2019, 2:33 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Jof versus Australia

yeah head and shoulders above the rest today. broads been pretty flat

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 13 Sep 2019, 2:36 pm

Broad has been excellent this series, but Archer has now matched his wicket output having played one less game. Ridiculous talent
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Post by compelling and rich Fri 13 Sep 2019, 2:38 pm

today really isn't doing much aswell, shows how much of a threat he can be anywhere in the world

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Post by compelling and rich Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:02 pm

imagine if we had wasted the new ball on woakes Whistle

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:06 pm

He’s been quite atrocious. He could be looking at a rest in New Zealand.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:11 pm

Imagine if we'd wasted Archer bowling at the hopeless Australian openers rather than getting a proper spell at Smith and Labuschange before they were settled *shrug*

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:11 pm

The boy Sam gets Wade for 19!

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Post by Duty281 Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:13 pm

Biggest barrier to Steve Smith getting 150+ - his teammates and their ineptitude.

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:13 pm

What speeds is Curran bowling at today?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:15 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:What speeds is Curran bowling at today?

around 82-83mph from what i've seen
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:15 pm

Time for Marsh to get a century and show Australia he’s the best all rounder in the world

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Post by Soul Requiem Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:20 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:What speeds is Curran bowling at today?

around 82-83mph from what i've seen

Gained a couple of mph from last year then, if he can get that up to 85-86 consistently he'll be a more penetrative bowler.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:20 pm

Broad and Anderson got their first proper start leading the England being ahead of hoggard and harmison in a new Zealand tour way back when. There was a bit of an assumption that we would see things go full circle and them be replaced by a new pairing (woakes archer) this winter.
But despite running out of steam today broad has proved hes still a force, and Anderson has been all over the media talking up his desire to keep playing tests. It's quite possible we could see Broad Anderson Archer Curran and with Stokes and others rested /dropped/rotated. It's certainly a given that the three format players will all be given time off over the winter either for rest or because England need to look elsewhere.

Woakes really has been off his game this series. As with Bairstow we know hes capable of much better. This isn't a case like Denly of a player who just isn't good enough being picked.

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Post by Gooseberry Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:21 pm

It's a mark of just how badly this england side is performing that Marsh got a fiver

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:23 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
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Soul Requiem wrote:What speeds is Curran bowling at today?

around 82-83mph from what i've seen

Gained a couple of mph from last year then, if he can get that up to 85-86 consistently he'll be a more penetrative bowler.

Yeah I think a few at Surrey have commented he seems a tad quicker this year - easy to forget he is only 21, so plenty of room to grow and put on that extra yard.
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:31 pm

Smith 10 consecutive 50+ scores against England...when's it gonna end ...

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Post by Afro Fri 13 Sep 2019, 3:49 pm

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Smith 10 consecutive 50+ scores against England...when's it gonna end ...

When are the next 3-4 Ashes series planned for? We can probably work out approximately when he is going to retire from that
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 13 Sep 2019, 4:03 pm

He’s got possible bans in there too when they start playing good teams and things get hard. Granted, they’re never banning him to miss an Ashes

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Post by robbo277 Fri 13 Sep 2019, 4:04 pm

Why do I feel like I've seen this test before? Poised is the word I'd use.

If England can go bang-bang after tea, ESPECIALLY if one of those is Steve Smith then we'll be right in the driver's seat.

But if Smith can grind out a 60 run partnership here before Marsh goes, a 50 run partnership with Paine and a couple of 30s with the tail then all of a sudden Australia have a lead without anyone but Smith actually batting particularly well. Again. And if someone does stick around with him for a 100 stand, then we're in real trouble.

England scored 294 in their first innings and if we can rely on getting that again we'd need to get Australia out for under 350 to have any scoreboard pressure with Smith un-get-out-able. In reality, we probably can't rely on getting that again so we need to bowl them out for at worst parity so we can play a 1 innings game batting first.

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