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Post by LondonTiger on Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:10 pm

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TeamPlayedWonDrawnLostTriesPFPA+/-BPPoints
Japan330098741+46214
Ireland3201117422+52311
Scotland320113982771210
Samoa310275381-2815
Russia3003119125-10600


Japan 30-10 Russia              
Ireland 27-3 Scotland  
Russia 9-34 Samoa                        
Japan 19-12 Ireland                          
Scotland 34-0 Samoa
Ireland 35-0 Russia
Japan 38-19 Samoa
Scotland 61-0 Russia
 

                                       
                     
12 October 2019         Ireland v Samoa                         Fukuoka Hakatanomori Stadium, Fukuoka
13 October 2019         Japan v Scotland                         International Stadium Yokohama, Yokohama


Two games left. If Ireland get a TBP win on Saturday they qualify for the quarter finals irrespective of the result on Sunday. Any other result and they need to wait and see what happens between Japan and Scotland.
Any win for Japan and they will top the group (in fact a draw or losing with two bonus points will guarantee the same)
Most interesting scenario is if Ireland win without a bonus point - opening up a chance for Scotland to top the group if all 3 teams end up on 15pts and Scotland are able to keep their points difference ahead of Ireland.


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Post by Old Man on Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:35 am

Taylorman wrote:Well we had similar at the cricket, didn’t force a legal battle then when popular opinion was everyone else would have.

One side managed to take the typhoon impact out of play, the other didn’t. Again, one of the 2007 tournament learnings. Don’t let things out of your control determine your fate. Win and you remain in control. Italy didn’t so became vulnerable to things outside their control.

Scotland face the same.

And after being so philosophically smart about that statement, it still sucks for them.

Egardless of “adapting” to winniing instead of losing (which I thought all teams aspire to anyway) no competition is set up to have some games cancelled.

I saw the Steve Hansen interview when he said that, and although I have the utmost respect for him, that is such a smart ass attitude. Control the situation by not putting yourself in it.

Utter nonsensical jibe at teams.

What they lost matches on purpose?

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Post by Taylorman on Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:52 am

No I agree but the way it’s coming out it’s all blame on external factors and others and no acknowledgement of their own efforts. Yes it sucks for them but they had fate in their own hands as well.

Here they’re expected to beat the side that beat the side that thrashed them.

Summary of all that is...sh...t happens. That’s what we were told in 95 and 07. We didn’t run out to get food poisoned, we didn’t expect forward passes far bigger than any called in this tournament to be allowed.

Sh...t happens. Lawyers? Pfff...

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Post by Old Man on Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:57 am

Well there are big things that happen, and small momentary things that happen.

a forward pass is only a moment in time, having a match cancelled is on a whole new level.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:41 am

Yes I agree and in both cases both teams had their fate in their hands until ‘something’ conjured to take it away. The ABs hadn’t lost up until those points, and still couldn’t overcome them. They’d done everything, right.

But it’s the legal redress for me that is pointless. It’s not going to appease the players, nor the fans in terms of the sides efforts.  If it’s about getting paid for an organisation not sufficiently ‘covering off’ what is apparently the worst typhoon in fifty years then good on them.

Personally I think in terms of the legal redress...they take their medicine.

Who knows, Samoa might knock Ireland over. Imagine losing that AND have the Scot match called off.

Surreal...

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Post by Old Man on Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:53 am

Yes threatening legal action is pointless and distasteful, considering all countries or Unions signed on to it full well knowing it might happen.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:38 am

thumbsup

Looks very ‘wet’ in Tokyo on the news, but hopefully the match goes ahead. With all this going on it’s going to be a ripper!

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:27 am

Maybe World Rugby need the wake-up call of legal action against them?

Their same old same old approach isn't helping the game in general and their administration of the showcase tournament is at risk of harming it.

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:40 am

Pretty hard to administer a Category 5 typhoon, Great Auckster... but I guess you have a point generally speaking.
Apart from the impending natural disaster WR do need some shaking up. Keep the basterds busy in and out of court. OK
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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:56 am

Does any one have any news about the Scotland game tomorrow. 

Is it on or off?

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Post by Old Man on Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:26 am

Apparently it will be assessed tomorrow on how much damage there is.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:43 am

I have no issue with Scotland suing them if their game gets cancelled and I think they are right to make the threat. I say this because world rugbys contingencies are so poor and it simply would be grossly unfair to the Scots.

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Post by Old Man on Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:49 am

Of course its unfair, it was also unfair to Italy and France. New Zealand and England are in the pound seats so for them it has no negative baring.

I think any fan and team would be bitterly upset if they still had a mathematical chance and got denied due to the typhoon.

But if every union signs an agreement of the World Cup rules etc.

And being fully informed what might happen, threatening legal action is poor in my view.

Unless of course Scotland Rugby Union had their agreement amended beforehand that their games aren’t allowed to be cancelled

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:54 am

Its not like you have a choice, you dont sign up you dont go. Its not like its a game down the park, years of prep have gone into this so to go home because of world rugbys incompetence then theyre fair game for legal threats. Thats the world we live in.

Thats my view, yours is fair enough too.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:59 am

You at the Samoa match Guns?

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Post by Poorfour on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:01 am

One important piece of information we don't have is what level of typhoon their contingency plans would have coped with.

What a lot of the hand-wringing and griping is conveniently ignoring is that Hagibis is the worst typhoon to hit Japan in 50 years. It's not just a "normal" typhoon season event, it's a storm of once in a generation ferocity.

If the contingency plans were adequate to cope with a typhoon in the typical range, then the planners have done their job. It's ludicrous to expect them to plan for a 1 in 20,000 event.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:01 am

Taylorman wrote:You at the Samoa match Guns?

No back home now, a week was as much as I could afford with work.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:03 am

Poorfour wrote:One important piece of information we don't have is what level of typhoon their contingency plans would have coped with.

What a lot of the hand-wringing and griping is conveniently ignoring is that Hagibis is the worst typhoon to hit Japan in 50 years. It's not just a "normal" typhoon season event, it's a storm of once in a generation ferocity.

If the contingency plans were adequate to cope with a typhoon in the typical range, then the planners have done their job. It's ludicrous to expect them to plan for a 1 in 20,000 event.


Well their contingency for the cancelled games was to move the game 18k down the road. I don't think thats a clever contingency for any category of typhoon.


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:05 am

Good point poorfour.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:08 am

Looks quite windy in Fukuioka

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Post by The Oracle on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:09 am

Nice gold chain, Geech! Old school!
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Post by Taylorman on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:11 am

Collapse2005 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:You at the Samoa match Guns?

No back home now, a week was as much as I could afford with work.

K good luck, hope you told them no more upsets... Very Happy

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:15 am

Collapse2005 wrote:Well their contingency for the cancelled games was to move the game 18k down the road. I don't think thats a clever contingency for any category of typhoon.

It would have been a fine contingency for a lot of typhoons. It's a different city, topology, transport infrastructure etc.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:22 am

Sounds far fetched. A better contingency would be to play the game the day before or after surely. Or last resort elsewhere behind closed doors. Its not hard really.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:25 am

Well Ireland should win this game with a bonus point. which will take them top of the pool, i do believe.

But if Ireland do win but do not get a bonus point, will that alter who tops the pool, or will Ireland still be top of the  pool?

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:30 am

Ireland will only win the pool only with a BP win if Japan fail to get 2 points or more tomorrow. They can achieve that with a win loss or draw.

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Post by westisbest on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:47 am

Pitch isn’t great at all. Very windy. Hopefully we can get the 4 tries ASAP, rest a few players for the quarters.

Jeez, cmon Ireland.

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Post by westisbest on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:52 am

First try already. Great stuff.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:56 am

Bit of a harsh yellow, good wrap and it was low. Harsh.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:58 am

Difficult one that, Stockdale lowered his body angle significantly against a guy who’s shorter than him.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:00 pm

Good try Furlong

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Post by tigertattie on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:02 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Bit of a harsh yellow, good wrap and it was low. Harsh.

For me the Samoan player lead with the shoulder and he’s not tackling through but going up. Is he went through horizontal to the ground he may have got away with it but he was always rising and you just open yourself up for a card if you do that
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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:11 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Sounds far fetched..
It doesn't sound far-fetched if you know how typhoons come through Japan.

You just looked at the simple distance, as if that's the only factor which matters. Does 200km away sound better? That's how far away Shizuoka Ecopa stadium is, and that would would have been a worse choice. When typhoons approach, flooding and landslides are major risks. Shizuoka and Yokohama are both close to the sea and rivers. Chofu is inland, away from both.

I have no particular sympathy for World Rugby but there is a lot of ill-informed Monday-morning quarterbacking going on. It's clear World Rugby's contingency plans cannot now deliver an uninterrupted Cup. That doesn't necessarily mean they had bad contingency planning, just that it is not possible to plan fully for every contingency.

Perhaps it will indeed turn out that World Rugby have made a total mess of planning but it really doesn't help when people are going around makimg unrealistic claims about how daft it evidently was to choose Japan, or how easy it would have been to have other stadiums prepped, or change the schedule.

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Post by westisbest on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:14 pm

Great try. 1 to go now, should get it before half time way we are playing.

Good play from Larmour.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:18 pm

Nice try from Samoa. thought the yellow card for the Samoan hooker was a bit harsh. the Ireland player was going down and the hooker did attempt to wrap his arms.

Still Samoa get a try and the game is on.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:21 pm

Swinging arm???
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:21 pm

Close to a red.

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Post by tigertattie on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:22 pm

Oh dear!!!
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Post by Old Man on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:23 pm

Ball carrier dipped, no common sense, yellow at worst.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:23 pm

Not much difference between that and the yellow, definite dip from the Samoan. Poor call.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:24 pm

Red Card? seriously? i thought it might be a yellow my self.

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Post by Engine#4 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:24 pm

No complaints. Bundee didn't get low enough and connected with the head.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:24 pm

By the law it is a red card.

I don't know how many times I have said and been shouted down by my country men that Aki is just not good enough and he will cost Ireland.

Well lads?
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Post by EnglishReign on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:26 pm

If we're being consistent, it is a red unfortunately. I don't like it but it is.

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Post by westisbest on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:26 pm

Thought at first definite yellow. Not a red. Christ.

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Post by tigertattie on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:26 pm

Player wasn’t dipped that much. He was running.

It’s fine margins but I think the difference here was that Aki was upright and there was no bend at his waist
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:26 pm

eirebilly wrote:By the law it is a red card.

I don't know how many times I have said and been shouted down by my country men that Aki is just not good enough and he will cost Ireland.

Well lads?

You are wrong. Harsh call. You are just looking for things to nit pick against him.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:26 pm

eirebilly wrote:By the law it is a red card.

I don't know how many times I have said and been shouted down by my country men that Aki is just not good enough and he will cost Ireland.

Well lads?

Or a 3rd option - good enough and will cost Ireland!
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Post by Engine#4 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:27 pm

tigertattie wrote:Player wasn’t dipped that much. He was running.

It’s fine margins but I think the difference here was that Aki was upright and there was no bend at his waist

That's exactly it. He didn't get down at all really.

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Post by Brendan on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:28 pm

Not sure of that red
It was a direct should to the head
Think Ireland will be find though

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:28 pm

EnglishReign wrote:If we're being consistent, it is a red unfortunately. I don't like it but it is.

Well they arent being consistent because Samoa got a yellow for something pretty similar.

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