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Post by bsando on Mon 16 Sep 2019, 3:20 pm

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Ireland vs Scotland

Pool A, Match 6
Sunday, September 22
Kick Off 08:45 BST
International Stadium Yokohama, Kanagawa Prefecture, Yokohama City

Teams


Ireland
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1.Healy, 2.Best (C), 3.Furlong
4.Henderson, 5.James Ryan
6.O'Mahony, 7.Van der Flier
8.Stander

9.Murray, 10.Sexton
12.Aki, 13.Ringrose
11.Stockdale, 15.Lamour, 14.Conway

Replacements: Scannell, Kilcoyne, Porter, Beirne, Conan, McGrath, Carty, Farrell

Scotland
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1.Dell, 2.McInally (C), 3.Nel
4.Gilchrist, 5.Gray
6.Barclay (VC), 7.Watson, 8.Wilson

9.Laidlaw (VC), 10.Russell
12.Johnson, 13.Taylor
11.Maitland, 15.Hogg, 14.Seymour

Bench: Brown, Reid, Berghan, Cummings, Thomson, Price, Harris, Graham


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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:38 am

carpet baboon wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
NeilyBroon wrote:Oh barnes has finally given an offside penalty.

Against scotland.

Does the green just camouflage ireland in front of the line?

Feel for you guys Barnes has been awful. Incredibly one sided, slow to prevent defence slowing ball has been a particularly big factor.

Bests try was a terrible decision. TMO call at least. But best did not have the ball.

Again best did have the ball. In his left hand

Aye Best still had a hand on it, so clear try.

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Post by No9 on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:38 am

carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:Ireland well in command and will take a miracle to lose this. But I hope they either score another try or the pool isn’t decided on BP, as Best’s try should never have been allowed.

Yes it should.
And it was

Was there downward pressure ... NO
Was he in control of the ball ... NO
Was it a try ... NO

There is NO way that you can put downward pressure on a ball when your hand is underneath it. Simple physics.

You need to watch it again, without the Guinness...


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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:38 am

Hogg has two or three chances to put other players away and failed to pass each time

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Post by Blanko on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:39 am

carpet baboon wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Ireland have done well to restrict Russell, Hogg and the scrumhalf’s

Stockdale has had hogg in his pocket all game

It's pretty easy to defend Hogg when you know he's not going to pass

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Post by sensisball on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:40 am

Can we score from a lineout 5 m out?

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:41 am

seems to have lost some pace as well, Hogg that is.

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Post by sensisball on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:41 am

Surprise surprise we can't.

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:41 am

We don’t pass when we make a break.

We drop high balls.

We miss throws at line outs.

We knock on.

You cannot won rugby games when you fail to do these basics
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Post by NeilyBroon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:41 am

Can someone in japan make a placard saying "Toonie oot"? This is andy robinson level woeful
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:42 am

Even when Scotland get it right, a really good flat pass, they get it wrong, just forward

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:44 am

The Irish kick and chase has been very good though

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Post by sensisball on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:44 am

Hoggy looks slightly bloated, not fat but a tad chubbier than his usual physique.
Maybe it's an optical illusion caused by his shaved/baldy noggin.

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Post by Heuer27 on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:45 am

Townsend will not survive this World Cup . He has repeatedly shown that he does not have the tactical nouse atm to make this Scottish side anything more than unpredictable. The twickenham rebound was Russell. It really is hard to watch how inept they are in basic rugby.
The squad balance is off too. Watson down then hooker to 7. Ritchie is down too. Should have taken Fagerson
to cover instead of Bradbury prob should have taken Bradbury regardless.


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Post by NeilyBroon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:46 am

Thats the only comfort that I'm taking heuer. Something's gotta give, and i hope it's toonie as he's dragged us backwards over 2 years.
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Post by No9 on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:46 am

Well done Ireland.. deserved win.

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Post by carpet baboon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:47 am

No9 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:Ireland well in command and will take a miracle to lose this. But I hope they either score another try or the pool isn’t decided on BP, as Best’s try should never have been allowed.

Yes it should.
And it was

Was there downward pressure ... NO
Was he in control of the ball ... NO
Was it a try ... NO

There is NO that you can put downward pressure on a ball when your hand is underneath it. Simple physics.

You need to watch it again, without the Guinness...

Downward pressure is not in the laws.
He never lost control of the ball.
The ball was in his hand as it touched the ground
Try watching it again

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Post by NeilyBroon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:47 am

Yes well done ireland, clinical with opportunities and the better side by a country mile. I hope you do well.
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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:48 am

Surprising result. Well played Ireland, looking like you’re back to form.

So many silly mistakes by Scotland.

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Post by RDW on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:48 am

Congratulations Ireland - ruthlessly effective performance. Fully deserved win.

Scotland? Absolutely Love sacks. Has a coach ever been sacked during a world cup??

I jest of course but this performance isn't a first under Townsend - we've not learnt any lessons from the last 2 years.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:49 am

Ireland the 1st, 2nd and 3rd best team on the pitch. Probably 4th too. Well done lads. I defy even the most optimistic (I.e. BigGee) Scotland fan to tell me we wouldn’t have done better in that match under BVC. Gregor, you’re out of your depth son, sorry

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Post by Pot Hale on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:50 am

Well done Ireland.
Commiserations Scotland.
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Post by RDW on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:51 am

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:Ireland the 1st, 2nd and 3rd best team on the pitch. Probably 4th too. Well done lads. I defy even the most optimistic (I.e. BigGee) Scotland fan to tell me we wouldn’t have done better in that match under BVC. Gregor, you’re out of your depth son, sorry

Hope you enjoy the sake! I'm sure you need it.

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:52 am

bottom of the table.

Grim
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Post by BigGee on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:52 am

Well done Ireland, completely outplayed us

Nothing to do with weather or luck, just a smarter better coached team who knew what they hsd to do snd did it brilliantly

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Post by NeilyBroon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:53 am

There are worse places to be than Japan, at least you can enjoy the tourism! Maybe buy a brave blossoms jersey too while you're there
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:53 am

Didn't Lancaster fall on his sword before the end of the 2015 RWC?

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:53 am

I do! It was a good experience despite the manshaming, absolutely gutted for Hamish mind you

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Post by Heuer27 on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:53 am

For me the following Scottish players have shown that they are finished at this level.

Wilson, Barclay, Maitland, Seymour, Nel Laidlaw.

Teetering on the edge

Gray, Gilchrist , Taylor.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:54 am

carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:Ireland well in command and will take a miracle to lose this. But I hope they either score another try or the pool isn’t decided on BP, as Best’s try should never have been allowed.

Yes it should.
And it was

Was there downward pressure ... NO
Was he in control of the ball ... NO
Was it a try ... NO

There is NO that you can put downward pressure on a ball when your hand is underneath it. Simple physics.

You need to watch it again, without the Guinness...

Downward pressure is not in the laws.
He never lost control of the ball.
The ball was in his hand as it touched the ground
Try watching it again

Was it like one of those James Ryan tries? Nobody could see that apart from Superman.

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Post by bsando on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:54 am

Déjà vu? Scotland non existant in first half, down 3 try's, fightback kicks in at 65-70 minute mark.

I was waiting to judge Toonie on this game and the RWC in general after the mixed results of the warm ups and 6N. I think fans have a right to ask serious questions about what we are trying to achieve. What is the fast paced, fastest rugby? That first 20 minutes was woeful, no purchase in the game at all and no pressure was built. Russia, Fiji, Namibia, Argentina all did better in their games than Scotland today. It's fine to lose games, but it really isn't okay for Scotland to lose without even throwing a punch.

Scotland have enough to get out of their pool but that Japan game is going to be really really tough. Ireland look serious contenders for the semi finals now I think, they are well drilled and well organised.

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Post by BigGee on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:55 am

No, i am not optimistically at all about that at all, it was pure sh1t and the cozches and some of the senior players need to take a massive amount of the blame for that

Toonie may well be out of his depth. We will know soon enough

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Post by carpet baboon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 10:57 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:Ireland well in command and will take a miracle to lose this. But I hope they either score another try or the pool isn’t decided on BP, as Best’s try should never have been allowed.

Yes it should.
And it was

Was there downward pressure ... NO
Was he in control of the ball ... NO
Was it a try ... NO

There is NO that you can put downward pressure on a ball when your hand is underneath it. Simple physics.

You need to watch it again, without the Guinness...

Downward pressure is not in the laws.
He never lost control of the ball.
The ball was in his hand as it touched the ground
Try watching it again

Was it like one of those James Ryan tries? Nobody could see that apart from Superman.

Hi Mikey. Glad you enjoyed the game.

Good luck in your match tomorrow against Georgia.
Hope your pack go better in the scrum

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Post by Heuer27 on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:00 am

Oh well done Ireland . No need to get out of third gear today. All the best for the tournament.


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Post by tigertattie on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:02 am

Heuer27 wrote:For me the following Scottish players have shown that they are finished at this level.

Wilson, Barclay, Maitland, Seymour, Nel Laidlaw.

Teetering on the edge

Gray, Gilchrist , Taylor.

Couple of points to pick up on here

Firstly, maitland was probably the only Scottish player not to have a rotten game

Secondly, you can’t say Wilson is finished at this level when he never even bloody started!
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Post by BigGee on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:03 am

I think a few Scotland players may find their WC is over and not just Watson, for whom this injury is a massive shame.

Barclay, Laidlaw, Seymour really looked like their times are up.

Cummings, Price, Thompson all improved things when they came on, even Harris got a few half breaks.

I think he has got to roll the dice on selection now and give somd of the young guns a chance.

Ritchie in at OS
Graham on ths wing
Bradbury on the BS
Cummings second row
Price at SH, Horne on the bench

Get a new starting team out in the Ssmoa gsme and give them the chance to nail down a starting spot. We have got nothing to lose now

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Post by BigGee on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:05 am

Add Thomson to that list at No.8

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Post by NeilyBroon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:06 am

I expect toonie will view it differently as his job is on the line. The opportunist finally gets whats coming to him. Sadly at the expense of a world cup QF place no doubt but I've really had enough of his excuses. It was a poor decision from the SRU off the back of a d*ck move by toonie 2 years ago. Now scotland are paying the price.
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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:08 am

Well played Ireland a good win against a very poor Scotland.

I expect Scotland will be packing for an early exit from the RWC on todays performance.

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Post by SecretFly on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:14 am

From an Ireland perspective, couldn't be more satisfied really.  Not smug content as there will be other games where we'll get tested hard, but despite the score line, that is exactly what Scotland did - they gave us a torrid test where we simply had to prepare to play and play close to our sticky, clingy, physical best.  We just couldn't afford to arrive willing to play below top punch intensity.  And we couldn't let up in alertness at any time or Scotland would have punished defensive sloppiness or 'tired legs'.  Indeed, thanks to the eejit Beirne in the end for making that final defensive shift even more hectic.  Hope the boys tell him they appreciated him putting them under such pressure....  Whistle
The nature of that game will hopefully see us in good stead from the off in terms of readiness to meet the heat that will undoubtedly come.  Just like the last Wales game, we also needed a hot game straight away to concentrate those minds further that this is the time we've been preparing for.

The defensive was wonderful.  Kudos to Joe, Andy and the players.  That's a performance the shirt deserves.

Scotland can't but get that infectious mood when space is out there and they have a side attempting running rugby with them, so if the heads stay up, they'll undoubtedly feel those urges and instincts against Japan.  Japan will give the blueprint Scotland game every opportunity to cut loose.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:14 am

carpet baboon wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:Ireland well in command and will take a miracle to lose this. But I hope they either score another try or the pool isn’t decided on BP, as Best’s try should never have been allowed.

Yes it should.
And it was

Was there downward pressure ... NO
Was he in control of the ball ... NO
Was it a try ... NO

There is NO that you can put downward pressure on a ball when your hand is underneath it. Simple physics.

You need to watch it again, without the Guinness...

Downward pressure is not in the laws.
He never lost control of the ball.
The ball was in his hand as it touched the ground
Try watching it again

Was it like one of those James Ryan tries? Nobody could see that apart from Superman.

Hi Mikey. Glad you enjoyed the game.

Good luck in your match tomorrow against Georgia.
Hope your pack go better in the scrum

Is that all you can say? Did you not see the complaints of Ireland pulling down the scrum again? It’s unclear why they keep getting away with it.

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Post by carpet baboon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:15 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:Ireland well in command and will take a miracle to lose this. But I hope they either score another try or the pool isn’t decided on BP, as Best’s try should never have been allowed.

Yes it should.
And it was

Was there downward pressure ... NO
Was he in control of the ball ... NO
Was it a try ... NO

There is NO that you can put downward pressure on a ball when your hand is underneath it. Simple physics.

You need to watch it again, without the Guinness...

Downward pressure is not in the laws.
He never lost control of the ball.
The ball was in his hand as it touched the ground
Try watching it again

Was it like one of those James Ryan tries? Nobody could see that apart from Superman.

Hi Mikey. Glad you enjoyed the game.

Good luck in your match tomorrow against Georgia.
Hope your pack go better in the scrum

Is that all you can say? Did you not see the complaints of Ireland pulling down the scrum again? It’s unclear why they keep getting away with it.

Good luck. The Georgians are known for powerful scrum, hope you go well in that department

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Post by Heuer27 on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:26 am

tigertattie wrote:
Heuer27 wrote:For me the following Scottish players have shown that they are finished at this level.

Wilson, Barclay, Maitland, Seymour, Nel Laidlaw.

Teetering on the edge

Gray, Gilchrist , Taylor.

Couple of points to pick up on here

Firstly, maitland was probably the only Scottish player not to have a rotten game

Secondly, you can’t say Wilson is finished at this level when he never even bloody started!

Ok i’ll Give you Wilson but re Maitland nah he is finished. I never said he played poorly but a winger needs pace, he doesn’t have any, anymore. You need your back three to be more than just solid. They have to be a threat and the way Scotland play , he isn’t. Just my opinion though.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:31 am

carpet baboon wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
No9 wrote:Ireland well in command and will take a miracle to lose this. But I hope they either score another try or the pool isn’t decided on BP, as Best’s try should never have been allowed.

Yes it should.
And it was

Was there downward pressure ... NO
Was he in control of the ball ... NO
Was it a try ... NO

There is NO that you can put downward pressure on a ball when your hand is underneath it. Simple physics.

You need to watch it again, without the Guinness...

Downward pressure is not in the laws.
He never lost control of the ball.
The ball was in his hand as it touched the ground
Try watching it again

Was it like one of those James Ryan tries? Nobody could see that apart from Superman.

Hi Mikey. Glad you enjoyed the game.

Good luck in your match tomorrow against Georgia.
Hope your pack go better in the scrum

Is that all you can say? Did you not see the complaints of Ireland pulling down the scrum again? It’s unclear why they keep getting away with it.

Good luck. The Georgians are known for powerful scrum, hope you go well in that department

We’ll probably win with TBP.

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Post by BigGee on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:42 am

Can we bri g this thread bsck to the Scotland v Ireland match please guys

There are other threads to discuss the Welsh scrum

Thank you

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:53 am

Hard to know where to start. Utter utter rubbish. No game plan, no cohesion and a total lack of basics throughout the team.

Toonie made some tough selection calls:

Ryan Wilson - rotten
Greg Laidlaw - back to his ponderous worst
Centres - looked like they had never played together. Oh wait...
Tommy Seymour - useless

We have massively regressed in four years. Even Russell looked clueless. Samoa and Japan should be licking their lips.

Well played Ireland. Totally dominant.

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Post by TJ on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:18 pm

Bests Try was clearly a try - he was in control and touched it down before Wilson got hold of it. Just.

You do not need downward pressure - you merely need to be in contact with the ball as the ball touches the ground.

Big Scotland fan here but I like to see things right. Bests try clearly was a try.

The killer blow was the bounce off the posts leading to the 5m scrum

Big questions over preparation of the team. they looked beaten after 10 mins

Stop the ponderous frodo nonsense - its simply not true in this game

Russell looked clueless becuse the irish defence was cutting off all the options so he had nowhere to go. The reason Russell had no space to work in iis our forwards never once broke th egainline. That cuts your attacking options

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Post by BigGee on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:21 pm

Don't disagree about our forwards csrrying inability funny no one thought of that before the squad was announced!

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Post by Heuer27 on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:34 pm

Think they were looking to Gray, Gilchrist , Watson and McInally for go forward.

Gray and Gilchrist need a big game or they will be warming a bench. Barclay , Seymour and Wilson look to have played themselves out of the team so should Laidlaw but I doubt that.

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Post by Heuer27 on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:43 pm

We won’t see wholesale changes for the next game but I think there should be.

Graham for Seymour - No brainer
Harris for Taylor - Too much to ask Taylor to return at his best
Kinghorn for Maitland? - We need more pace but will lose defensive solidity.
Price for Laidlaw - Need to generate some pace at break downs

Cummings for Gray/ Gichrist - Prob Gray cause he looked to be hobbling when he came off.

Bradbury for Wilson - Enough said
Thompson for Watson but at 6 - Watson’s World Cup is over
Barclay to 7 - No one else.

Don’t think we will see that though.

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Post by BigGee on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:55 pm

I have to say, it looks to me like JB is spent. He is playing on his CV at the moment.

Get Ritchie in at OS, he will put in a shift at the very least

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