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Post by BamBam on Thu 03 Oct 2019, 2:11 pm

First topic message reminder :

England: 15. Elliot Daly; 14. Anthony Watson, 13. Manu Tuilagi, 12. Owen Farrell (c), 11. Jonny May; 10. George Ford, 9. Ben Youngs; 1. Joe Marler, 2. Jamie George, 3. Kyle Sinckler; 4. Maro Itoje, 5. George Kruis; 6. Tom Curry, 7. Sam Underhill, 8. Billy Vunipola.

Replacements: 16. Luke Cowan-Dickie, 17. Mako Vunipola, 18. Dan Cole, 19. Courtney Lawes, 20. Lewis Ludlam, 21. Willi Heinz, 22. Henry Slade, 23. Jack Nowell.

Argentina: 15. Emiliano Boffelli, 14. Matías Moroni, 13. Matias Orlando, 12. Jeronimo de la Fuente, 11. Santiago Carreras, 10. Benjamin Urdapilleta, 9. Tomas Cubelli, 8. Javier Ortega Desio, 7. Marcos Kremer, 6. Pablo Matera (c), 5. Tomas Lavanini, 4. Guido Petti Pagadizabal, 3. Juan Figallo, 2. Julian Montoya, 1. Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro

Replacements: 16. Agustín Creevy, 17. Mayco Vivas, 18. Santiago Medrano, 19. Matias Alemanno, 20. Tomas Lezana, 21. Felipe Ezcurra, 22. Lucas Mensa, 23. Bautista Delguy

Thought it was time for a match thread

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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:44 am

Focussing on the positive side of the match England’s 10/12 axis working very well, Young’s looking in great form at 9. Itoje playing really well. Other than a lost line out the set piece is holding up very well too...

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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:44 am

Im old school, but for me Farrell was falling in. YC

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:46 am

Just because Farrell is guilty of late hits in the past and getting away with them is no reason as to why the late hit on him should go unpunished.
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Post by EnglishReign on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:49 am

Spot on Billy

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:49 am

Argentina holding England out on the line, but well worked ball to Dailey and scores in the corner.

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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:50 am

kingelderfield wrote:Im old school, but for me Farrell was falling in. YC

I was surprised at the call that the height of Farrell wasn’t questioned by the ref/TMO.

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Post by BigTrevsbigmac on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:50 am

maestegmafia wrote:Focussing on the positive side of the match England’s 10/12 axis working very well, Young’s looking in great form at 9. Itoje playing really well. Other than a lost line out the set piece is holding up very well too...

I think Youngs is having a bit of a stinker personally

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:50 am

England are really grinding Argentina down. There will be a stack of tries late on

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Post by EnglishReign on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:50 am

Jesus Christ Faz, let someone else have a go

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Post by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:50 am

I told Owen to aim right --- jeez ....

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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:50 am

Our kicking strategy nullifies the selection of Tuilagi

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Post by ebop on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:50 am

Owen Farrell can’t kick for shiz Wink
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Post by BigTrevsbigmac on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:51 am

maestegmafia wrote:
kingelderfield wrote:Im old school, but for me Farrell was falling in. YC

I was surprised at the call that the height of Farrell wasn’t questioned by the ref/TMO.

It was if you listened to the conversation. Nige said Farrell wasn’t dipping sufficient for mitigation.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:51 am

maestegmafia wrote:
kingelderfield wrote:Im old school, but for me Farrell was falling in. YC

I was surprised at the call that the height of Farrell wasn’t questioned by the ref/TMO.

Nige did talk about it but said it wasn't enough to mitigate ...

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:53 am

Well the studio will have plenty to talk about in the half time interval.

Argentina have been excellent given they are a man down, they will gas after 60mins thug and the flood gates will open for England.
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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:54 am

Considering the man advantage, the amount of penalties Argentina have conceded this half and the quality of England’s backline is a 7 point lead acceptable to England fans...?

In these circumstances surely you were thinking this should be BP by halftime?

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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:54 am

Surely dg?

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:55 am

Well there is the 3rd try for England.
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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:55 am

Heaf wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
kingelderfield wrote:Im old school, but for me Farrell was falling in. YC

I was surprised at the call that the height of Farrell wasn’t questioned by the ref/TMO.

Nige did talk about it but said it wasn't enough to mitigate ...

Yes that’s what surprised me.

I don’t disagree with the ruling, letter of the law as he saw it.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:56 am

Great try for Ben Youngs. 

Argentine doing well containing England on the their goal line.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:56 am

maestegmafia wrote:Considering the man advantage, the amount of penalties Argentina have conceded this half and the quality of England’s backline is a 7 point lead acceptable to England fans...?

In these circumstances surely you were thinking this should be BP by halftime?

Well they are making hard work of it for sure ...

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Post by BigTrevsbigmac on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:56 am

A BP with no injuries & mako & Jack get a run out I’d be happy.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:57 am

Owen - AIM RIGHT !!!!

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:57 am

maestegmafia wrote:Considering the man advantage, the amount of penalties Argentina have conceded this half and the quality of England’s backline is a 7 point lead acceptable to England fans...?

In these circumstances surely you were thinking this should be BP by halftime?

Argentina have some lively backs but England are in complete control. More scores will come

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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:58 am

Heaf wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Considering the man advantage, the amount of penalties Argentina have conceded this half and the quality of England’s backline is a 7 point lead acceptable to England fans...?

In these circumstances surely you were thinking this should be BP by halftime?

Well they are making hard work of it for sure ...

Ben Young’s nice score tidies it up a bit more.

Farrell is a bit off with the goal kicking today?

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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:58 am

lostinwales wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Considering the man advantage, the amount of penalties Argentina have conceded this half and the quality of England’s backline is a 7 point lead acceptable to England fans...?

In these circumstances surely you were thinking this should be BP by halftime?

Argentina have some lively backs but England are in complete control. More scores will come

I don’t doubt. As said above after 60 mins this game should be an easy win.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:00 am

kingelderfield wrote:Our kicking strategy nullifies the selection of Tuilagi

Not really, there's this desire to use Tuilagi as a constant blunt force weapon whereas he's much more effective when used sparingly, it puts the opposition on the back foot and creates space as the third try showed.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:00 am

Well i don't think it was a red. A yellow for me...but the players know how the refs have been going this wc so they should be alert.

I d9nt th8nk it will matter anyway...the Argentinians look unfit

We look workmanlike. Curry has been everywhere.

Elliot Daly is still a frustration for me. He had a break away with May outside him.. and instead of putitng the pace on and drawing defenders in leaving May clear he just lazily passed to May allowing all the defenders to close him down. Very poor play.

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Post by robbo277 on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:02 am

I thought the red was a little harsh, but most other people seem pretty convinced it was a red.

England lost their way a bit after the red card, maybe they thought it would be too easy. But 3 tries to nil shows how the game has gone. Farrell having a shocker from the tee, but had he kicked his kicks and we were 24-3 up you'd say the game was buried.

The only thing keeping Argentina in this game is Farrell's kicking from tee. I expect us to kick on in this second half.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:03 am

Before the game started i was expecting/hoping England would get a bonus point before half time. But Argentina are making life more difficult for England than i gave them credit for.

It still looking like a good game, you get the feeling one moment lapse of concentration and Argentina will strike back and make it even harder for England.

Looking forward to the 2nd half.

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Post by alfie on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:04 am

Disappointing game so far.

Obvious red , but it spoiled the game. No idea why England are kicking so much with Daly and May looking so dangerous ? And bizarre to see Farrell has left his kicking boots somewhere else...

Argentina battling well - could be twenty points behind easily but are hanging in somehow.

Expect a cricket score in the second half though.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:06 am

Tuilagi definite yellow there.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:06 am

That's why Woodward is paid the big bucks. If theres any tackle in the air it's a yellow card. What a plum.

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Post by robbo277 on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:07 am

Tuilagi was penalty only, I think that was the correct call.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:08 am

maestegmafia wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

You failed to mention that when it was Farrell doing the same thing previously...?


The rules have changed since then, stop living in the past Mae.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:09 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:That's why Woodward is paid the big bucks. If theres any tackle in the air it's a yellow card. What a plum.

Indeed ...

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:09 am

Dallaglio blaming a non HIA assessment for Farrell missing his kicks Rolling Eyes

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:09 am

Nearer a yellow when Matera lifted curry in the driving maul. Pretty dangerous thing to do when you're not going to be expecting it.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:10 am

The Manu tackle was only a penalty, the Arg player had a ridiculous amount of hang time and was jumping forward. Manu did tackle him but it wasn't with force and he was close to landing
Just a penalty and a word to watch it. As for the play acting disgraceful.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:11 am

It's the second game in a row where farrell has taken a high hit and not had a hia. Medical and coaching staff failing on that front along with the officials.

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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:11 am

TightHEAD wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

You failed to mention that when it was Farrell doing the same thing previously...?


The rules have changed since then, stop living in the past Mae.

The LAWS haven’t changed, their interpretation has been strengthened to protect player welfare. High hits, illegal hits and shoulder charges still go on, when caught you will be punished.

But by your reply I take it you agree there was absolutely no difference...?

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:12 am

maestegmafia wrote:

Farrell is a bit off with the goal kicking today?

That's because someone tried to take his head off. Nevermind it's only Farrell hey chaps!!!!
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Post by Soul Requiem on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:12 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:It's the second game in a row where farrell has taken a high hit and not had a hia. Medical and coaching staff failing on that front along with  the officials.

You don't need a HIA if there's not an issue.

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:13 am

Billy off. Hope hes OK

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:13 am

This game was made for JJ now!
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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:14 am

TightHEAD wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:

Farrell is a bit off with the goal kicking today?

That's because someone tried to take his head off. Nevermind it's only Farrell hey chaps!!!!

Should go for HIA..?




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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:14 am

When there is a suspected incident of head impact by a player or players, this should be identified by match officials on the field, team doctors or independent match-day doctors who have access to video replays. If the independent match-day doctor decides an incident may have occurred, the player(s) involved must be removed, either permanently or for further assessment.
Read more at https://www.rugbyworld.com/tournaments/rugby-world-cup-2019/what-is-hia-88881#zZw3SC2Wgtf7oKED.99

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:14 am

England are going to have some back row dilemas over the next season or so.

Serious options for Eddie.


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Post by Soul Requiem on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:14 am

Underhill is such a beast.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 10:17 am

Daly once again passing roo early!!! Aarrgghh

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