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Post by BamBam on Thu 3 Oct - 23:11

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England: 15. Elliot Daly; 14. Anthony Watson, 13. Manu Tuilagi, 12. Owen Farrell (c), 11. Jonny May; 10. George Ford, 9. Ben Youngs; 1. Joe Marler, 2. Jamie George, 3. Kyle Sinckler; 4. Maro Itoje, 5. George Kruis; 6. Tom Curry, 7. Sam Underhill, 8. Billy Vunipola.

Replacements: 16. Luke Cowan-Dickie, 17. Mako Vunipola, 18. Dan Cole, 19. Courtney Lawes, 20. Lewis Ludlam, 21. Willi Heinz, 22. Henry Slade, 23. Jack Nowell.

Argentina: 15. Emiliano Boffelli, 14. Matías Moroni, 13. Matias Orlando, 12. Jeronimo de la Fuente, 11. Santiago Carreras, 10. Benjamin Urdapilleta, 9. Tomas Cubelli, 8. Javier Ortega Desio, 7. Marcos Kremer, 6. Pablo Matera (c), 5. Tomas Lavanini, 4. Guido Petti Pagadizabal, 3. Juan Figallo, 2. Julian Montoya, 1. Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro

Replacements: 16. Agustín Creevy, 17. Mayco Vivas, 18. Santiago Medrano, 19. Matias Alemanno, 20. Tomas Lezana, 21. Felipe Ezcurra, 22. Lucas Mensa, 23. Bautista Delguy

Thought it was time for a match thread

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:13

Slick

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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 5 Oct - 18:13

Does he kick it......no again

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Post by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:17

Need to cut out the silly stuff - don't want any stupid cards

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:20

Otherwise too many mistakes but we do look lethal when things come together. Usual story

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Post by BamBam on Sat 5 Oct - 18:23

Argentina defence looks very strong against the direct stuff 

Lavanini in trouble here

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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 5 Oct - 18:23

Yellow falling in not red.

Farrell leans in.......why?


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Post by tigertattie on Sat 5 Oct - 18:24

Game over
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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 5 Oct - 18:24

Red card game over england in the quarters.

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:24

'no foul play' ?

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Post by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:25

Ooops - good job the TMO was asked to look as Nige said it was OK in live play ...

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Post by RDW on Sat 5 Oct - 18:25

Definite red but a shame for the game - was a good contest so far.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 5 Oct - 18:25

Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye
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Post by Duty281 on Sat 5 Oct - 18:26

Goodnight Argies. Time to rack up the tries and put them out of the tournament. No idea how Nige missed it in real time.

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:27

It just kills the game.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 5 Oct - 18:27

Does worry me that big men are going to struggle to put in big hits.
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 5 Oct - 18:27

Just tackle round the chest and below!
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Post by ebop on Sat 5 Oct - 18:27

Red cards are ruining rugby
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Post by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:28

aim to the right Owen ...

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Post by ebop on Sat 5 Oct - 18:28

Probably concussed
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 5 Oct - 18:29

A definite red but Argentina can feel slightly hard done by with the amount of other hits that have escaped punishment this tournament.

I cant see Argentina getting remotely close now.

Watson tackles in the air? Could we see another card?
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 5 Oct - 18:29

Play acting is a disgrace
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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 5 Oct - 18:29

Argentina started well nearly scored a try in the opening minutes, Johnny may covering saved us.

A red card for Argentina for a  no arms tackle.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

Typical that it would be these guys doing it
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

Play acting by the Argie there surely?! But should be a penalty against manu.
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Post by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

ebop wrote:Probably concussed

Would we notice the difference?

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Post by englishborn on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

Players not tackling within the rules are ruining rugby. I hated that decision but it was always a red and could have very easily been a legal tackle by going lower

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

Odd how it is a timing issue for England but not for Argentina...

Consistency.

Not saying Tuilagi should have been carded but...
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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

This could get really messy

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Post by tigertattie on Sat 5 Oct - 18:31

ebop wrote:Red cards are ruining rugby

Foul play is the issue, not the red card
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Post by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:31

Completely different challenges billy

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Post by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:32

Everyone needs to calm down a bit

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Post by ebop on Sat 5 Oct - 18:32

Where’s the yellow card for tackling in the air?
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Post by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:32

Not a YC offence ...

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 5 Oct - 18:33

Young's is hopeless
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Post by tigertattie on Sat 5 Oct - 18:33

eirebilly wrote:Odd how it is a timing issue for England but not for Argentina...

Consistency.

Not saying Tuilagi should have been carded but...

He should have been. For the number of pens England have conceded and the times the ref has had to speak to both teams if nothing else
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 5 Oct - 18:33

Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:33

This is a complete mess at the moment

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Post by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:34

eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

He didn't land on his back or neck though ...

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Post by EnglishReign on Sat 5 Oct - 18:35

You’re right Billy, it ‘could’ be. Each incident needs to be assessed individually, not just cards handed out without good reason.

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:36

Heaf wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

He didn't land on his back or neck though ...

He did seem to land on his ego though.

I can only say that because he was'nt in danger of getting hurt

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Post by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:36

Not 10 from the kick surely?

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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 5 Oct - 18:37

Concentration dropped off by both sides

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Post by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:38

and Nige ...

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Post by BamBam on Sat 5 Oct - 18:38

eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

Come on billy, you can't compare a shoulder to the jaw and a tackle 6 inches off the ground where the player is put down gently

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 5 Oct - 18:38

Wouldn't mind seeing the "World's Best Ref's" position for that red again. Shocking call to say the tackle was okay live.

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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 5 Oct - 18:39

TightHEAD wrote:Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

You failed to mention that when it was Farrell doing the same thing previously...?


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Post by eirebilly on Sat 5 Oct - 18:39

EnglishReign wrote:You’re right Billy, it ‘could’ be. Each incident needs to be assessed individually, not just cards handed out without good reason.

The hit on Farrell, definite red card. Even though Farrell was leaning back. It was a cynical late, high hit. Tuilagi, tackle in the air did not end badly but was equally cynical in my opinion (not really a 'timing issue' so could have been deemed a yellow card. That and given the amount of cynical offences England committed in the lead up could have seen a calmative yellow card.

This game is very messy and both teams are guilty.

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Post by BamBam on Sat 5 Oct - 18:42

maestegmafia wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

You failed to mention that when it was Farrell doing the same thing previously...?

Go on then, find a video of a Farrell tackle to someone's head

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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 5 Oct - 18:43

Our kick first stratergy is nonsense.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 5 Oct - 18:43

Tbf Bam i found a little selection and there is a high hit in that when farrell is playing for saracens. I'm sure that is what Maes is referring to.


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