England v Argentina - 09.00 GMT, 05/10/19 - Match thread

by BamBam on Thu 3 Oct - 23:11

First topic message reminder :

England: 15. Elliot Daly; 14. Anthony Watson, 13. Manu Tuilagi, 12. Owen Farrell (c), 11. Jonny May; 10. George Ford, 9. Ben Youngs; 1. Joe Marler, 2. Jamie George, 3. Kyle Sinckler; 4. Maro Itoje, 5. George Kruis; 6. Tom Curry, 7. Sam Underhill, 8. Billy Vunipola.

Replacements: 16. Luke Cowan-Dickie, 17. Mako Vunipola, 18. Dan Cole, 19. Courtney Lawes, 20. Lewis Ludlam, 21. Willi Heinz, 22. Henry Slade, 23. Jack Nowell.

Argentina: 15. Emiliano Boffelli, 14. Matías Moroni, 13. Matias Orlando, 12. Jeronimo de la Fuente, 11. Santiago Carreras, 10. Benjamin Urdapilleta, 9. Tomas Cubelli, 8. Javier Ortega Desio, 7. Marcos Kremer, 6. Pablo Matera (c), 5. Tomas Lavanini, 4. Guido Petti Pagadizabal, 3. Juan Figallo, 2. Julian Montoya, 1. Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro

Replacements: 16. Agustín Creevy, 17. Mayco Vivas, 18. Santiago Medrano, 19. Matias Alemanno, 20. Tomas Lezana, 21. Felipe Ezcurra, 22. Lucas Mensa, 23. Bautista Delguy

Thought it was time for a match thread

by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:13

Slick

by kingelderfield on Sat 5 Oct - 18:13

Does he kick it......no again

by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:17

Need to cut out the silly stuff - don't want any stupid cards

by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:20

Otherwise too many mistakes but we do look lethal when things come together. Usual story

by BamBam on Sat 5 Oct - 18:23

Argentina defence looks very strong against the direct stuff

Lavanini in trouble here

by kingelderfield on Sat 5 Oct - 18:23

Yellow falling in not red.

Farrell leans in.......why?

by tigertattie on Sat 5 Oct - 18:24

Game over

by **maestegmafia** on Sat 5 Oct - 18:24

Red card game over england in the quarters.

by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:24

'no foul play' ?

by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:25

Ooops - good job the TMO was asked to look as Nige said it was OK in live play ...

by **RDW** on Sat 5 Oct - 18:25

Definite red but a shame for the game - was a good contest so far.

by TightHEAD on Sat 5 Oct - 18:25

Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

by Duty281 on Sat 5 Oct - 18:26

Goodnight Argies. Time to rack up the tries and put them out of the tournament. No idea how Nige missed it in real time.

by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:27

It just kills the game.

by TightHEAD on Sat 5 Oct - 18:27

Does worry me that big men are going to struggle to put in big hits.

by The Oracle on Sat 5 Oct - 18:27

Just tackle round the chest and below!

by ebop on Sat 5 Oct - 18:27

Red cards are ruining rugby

by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:28

aim to the right Owen ...

by ebop on Sat 5 Oct - 18:28

Probably concussed

by eirebilly on Sat 5 Oct - 18:29

A definite red but Argentina can feel slightly hard done by with the amount of other hits that have escaped punishment this tournament.

I cant see Argentina getting remotely close now.

Watson tackles in the air? Could we see another card?

by TightHEAD on Sat 5 Oct - 18:29

Play acting is a disgrace

by majesticimperialman on Sat 5 Oct - 18:29

Argentina started well nearly scored a try in the opening minutes, Johnny may covering saved us.

A red card for Argentina for a no arms tackle.

by TightHEAD on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

Typical that it would be these guys doing it

by The Oracle on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

Play acting by the Argie there surely?! But should be a penalty against manu.

by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

ebop wrote:Probably concussed

Would we notice the difference?

by englishborn on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

Players not tackling within the rules are ruining rugby. I hated that decision but it was always a red and could have very easily been a legal tackle by going lower

by eirebilly on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

Odd how it is a timing issue for England but not for Argentina...

Consistency.

Not saying Tuilagi should have been carded but...

by kingelderfield on Sat 5 Oct - 18:30

This could get really messy

by tigertattie on Sat 5 Oct - 18:31

ebop wrote:Red cards are ruining rugby

Foul play is the issue, not the red card

by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:31

Completely different challenges billy

by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:32

Everyone needs to calm down a bit

by ebop on Sat 5 Oct - 18:32

Where’s the yellow card for tackling in the air?

by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:32

Not a YC offence ...

by TightHEAD on Sat 5 Oct - 18:33

Young's is hopeless

by tigertattie on Sat 5 Oct - 18:33

eirebilly wrote:Odd how it is a timing issue for England but not for Argentina...

Consistency.

Not saying Tuilagi should have been carded but...

He should have been. For the number of pens England have conceded and the times the ref has had to speak to both teams if nothing else

by eirebilly on Sat 5 Oct - 18:33

Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:33

This is a complete mess at the moment

by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:34

eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

He didn't land on his back or neck though ...

by EnglishReign on Sat 5 Oct - 18:35

You’re right Billy, it ‘could’ be. Each incident needs to be assessed individually, not just cards handed out without good reason.

by lostinwales on Sat 5 Oct - 18:36

Heaf wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

He didn't land on his back or neck though ...

He did seem to land on his ego though.

I can only say that because he was'nt in danger of getting hurt

by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:36

Not 10 from the kick surely?

by kingelderfield on Sat 5 Oct - 18:37

Concentration dropped off by both sides

by Heaf on Sat 5 Oct - 18:38

and Nige ...

by BamBam on Sat 5 Oct - 18:38

eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

Come on billy, you can't compare a shoulder to the jaw and a tackle 6 inches off the ground where the player is put down gently

by RiscaGame on Sat 5 Oct - 18:38

Wouldn't mind seeing the "World's Best Ref's" position for that red again. Shocking call to say the tackle was okay live.

by **maestegmafia** on Sat 5 Oct - 18:39

TightHEAD wrote:Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

You failed to mention that when it was Farrell doing the same thing previously...?

by eirebilly on Sat 5 Oct - 18:39

EnglishReign wrote:You’re right Billy, it ‘could’ be. Each incident needs to be assessed individually, not just cards handed out without good reason.

The hit on Farrell, definite red card. Even though Farrell was leaning back. It was a cynical late, high hit. Tuilagi, tackle in the air did not end badly but was equally cynical in my opinion (not really a 'timing issue' so could have been deemed a yellow card. That and given the amount of cynical offences England committed in the lead up could have seen a calmative yellow card.

This game is very messy and both teams are guilty.

by BamBam on Sat 5 Oct - 18:42

maestegmafia wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

You failed to mention that when it was Farrell doing the same thing previously...?

Go on then, find a video of a Farrell tackle to someone's head

by kingelderfield on Sat 5 Oct - 18:43

Our kick first stratergy is nonsense.

by No 7&1/2 on Sat 5 Oct - 18:43

Tbf Bam i found a little selection and there is a high hit in that when farrell is playing for saracens. I'm sure that is what Maes is referring to.

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