England v Argentina - 09.00 GMT, 05/10/19 - Match thread

by BamBam on Thu 03 Oct 2019, 2:11 pm

First topic message reminder :

England: 15. Elliot Daly; 14. Anthony Watson, 13. Manu Tuilagi, 12. Owen Farrell (c), 11. Jonny May; 10. George Ford, 9. Ben Youngs; 1. Joe Marler, 2. Jamie George, 3. Kyle Sinckler; 4. Maro Itoje, 5. George Kruis; 6. Tom Curry, 7. Sam Underhill, 8. Billy Vunipola.

Replacements: 16. Luke Cowan-Dickie, 17. Mako Vunipola, 18. Dan Cole, 19. Courtney Lawes, 20. Lewis Ludlam, 21. Willi Heinz, 22. Henry Slade, 23. Jack Nowell.

Argentina: 15. Emiliano Boffelli, 14. Matías Moroni, 13. Matias Orlando, 12. Jeronimo de la Fuente, 11. Santiago Carreras, 10. Benjamin Urdapilleta, 9. Tomas Cubelli, 8. Javier Ortega Desio, 7. Marcos Kremer, 6. Pablo Matera (c), 5. Tomas Lavanini, 4. Guido Petti Pagadizabal, 3. Juan Figallo, 2. Julian Montoya, 1. Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro

Replacements: 16. Agustín Creevy, 17. Mayco Vivas, 18. Santiago Medrano, 19. Matias Alemanno, 20. Tomas Lezana, 21. Felipe Ezcurra, 22. Lucas Mensa, 23. Bautista Delguy

Thought it was time for a match thread

by lostinwales on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:13 am

Slick

by kingelderfield on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:13 am

Does he kick it......no again

by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:17 am

Need to cut out the silly stuff - don't want any stupid cards

by lostinwales on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:20 am

Otherwise too many mistakes but we do look lethal when things come together. Usual story

by BamBam on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:23 am

Argentina defence looks very strong against the direct stuff

Lavanini in trouble here

by kingelderfield on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:23 am

Yellow falling in not red.

Farrell leans in.......why?

by tigertattie on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:24 am

Game over

by **maestegmafia** on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:24 am

Red card game over england in the quarters.

by lostinwales on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:24 am

'no foul play' ?

by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:25 am

Ooops - good job the TMO was asked to look as Nige said it was OK in live play ...

by **RDW** on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:25 am

Definite red but a shame for the game - was a good contest so far.

by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:25 am

Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

by Duty281 on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:26 am

Goodnight Argies. Time to rack up the tries and put them out of the tournament. No idea how Nige missed it in real time.

by lostinwales on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:27 am

It just kills the game.

by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:27 am

Does worry me that big men are going to struggle to put in big hits.

by The Oracle on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:27 am

Just tackle round the chest and below!

by ebop on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:27 am

Red cards are ruining rugby

by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:28 am

aim to the right Owen ...

by ebop on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:28 am

Probably concussed

by eirebilly on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:29 am

A definite red but Argentina can feel slightly hard done by with the amount of other hits that have escaped punishment this tournament.

I cant see Argentina getting remotely close now.

Watson tackles in the air? Could we see another card?

by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:29 am

Play acting is a disgrace

by majesticimperialman on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:29 am

Argentina started well nearly scored a try in the opening minutes, Johnny may covering saved us.

A red card for Argentina for a no arms tackle.

by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:30 am

Typical that it would be these guys doing it

by The Oracle on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:30 am

Play acting by the Argie there surely?! But should be a penalty against manu.

by lostinwales on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:30 am

ebop wrote:Probably concussed

Would we notice the difference?

by englishborn on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:30 am

Players not tackling within the rules are ruining rugby. I hated that decision but it was always a red and could have very easily been a legal tackle by going lower

by eirebilly on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:30 am

Odd how it is a timing issue for England but not for Argentina...

Consistency.

Not saying Tuilagi should have been carded but...

by kingelderfield on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:30 am

This could get really messy

by tigertattie on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:31 am

ebop wrote:Red cards are ruining rugby

Foul play is the issue, not the red card

by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:31 am

Completely different challenges billy

by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:32 am

Everyone needs to calm down a bit

by ebop on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:32 am

Where’s the yellow card for tackling in the air?

by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:32 am

Not a YC offence ...

by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:33 am

Young's is hopeless

by tigertattie on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:33 am

eirebilly wrote:Odd how it is a timing issue for England but not for Argentina...

Consistency.

Not saying Tuilagi should have been carded but...

He should have been. For the number of pens England have conceded and the times the ref has had to speak to both teams if nothing else

by eirebilly on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:33 am

Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:33 am

This is a complete mess at the moment

by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:34 am

eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

He didn't land on his back or neck though ...

by EnglishReign on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:35 am

You’re right Billy, it ‘could’ be. Each incident needs to be assessed individually, not just cards handed out without good reason.

by lostinwales on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:36 am

Heaf wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

He didn't land on his back or neck though ...

He did seem to land on his ego though.

I can only say that because he was'nt in danger of getting hurt

by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:36 am

Not 10 from the kick surely?

by kingelderfield on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:37 am

Concentration dropped off by both sides

by Heaf on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:38 am

and Nige ...

by BamBam on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:38 am

eirebilly wrote:
Heaf wrote:Completely different challenges billy

I get that but I feel if ye are going to penalise and punish one then the other should be as well. Taking a player out in the air could easily be a Red/Yellow card.

Come on billy, you can't compare a shoulder to the jaw and a tackle 6 inches off the ground where the player is put down gently

by RiscaGame on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:38 am

Wouldn't mind seeing the "World's Best Ref's" position for that red again. Shocking call to say the tackle was okay live.

by **maestegmafia** on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:39 am

TightHEAD wrote:Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

You failed to mention that when it was Farrell doing the same thing previously...?

by eirebilly on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:39 am

EnglishReign wrote:You’re right Billy, it ‘could’ be. Each incident needs to be assessed individually, not just cards handed out without good reason.

The hit on Farrell, definite red card. Even though Farrell was leaning back. It was a cynical late, high hit. Tuilagi, tackle in the air did not end badly but was equally cynical in my opinion (not really a 'timing issue' so could have been deemed a yellow card. That and given the amount of cynical offences England committed in the lead up could have seen a calmative yellow card.

This game is very messy and both teams are guilty.

by BamBam on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:42 am

maestegmafia wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Its a red, sort of mindless tackle we want out the game. Bye bye

You failed to mention that when it was Farrell doing the same thing previously...?

Go on then, find a video of a Farrell tackle to someone's head

by kingelderfield on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:43 am

Our kick first stratergy is nonsense.

by No 7&1/2 on Sat 05 Oct 2019, 9:43 am

Tbf Bam i found a little selection and there is a high hit in that when farrell is playing for saracens. I'm sure that is what Maes is referring to.

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