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Post by TightHEAD on Mon 07 Oct 2019, 1:00 pm

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MATCH CANCELLED  Result in the book is 0-0.

Massive disappointment all round.

Was looking forward to witnessing two teams try their hardest not to win the pool and have the easier route to the Final.
As it is England finish on top and now face a massive challenge to overcome to make the final.

Can't help but think dark forces are at work to scupper our chances of lifting the Webb Ellis Cup again. mad


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Post by Afro on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 4:53 pm

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Collapse2005 wrote:Ireland v France was cancelled in 2012 six nations due to a frozen pitch. The game was played the following weekend. I know its not the same thing but you have got to find a way to get these games played.

Didn't an Ireland v England 6 nations game get cancelled and played several months later?

Foot and mouth, wasn't it?

2002?

Just looked it up. 2001 and all the home nation games against Ireland were played in September and October due to travel restrictions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Six_Nations_Championship
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Post by alive555 on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 4:54 pm

Taylorman wrote:Geez, some people are in cuckoo land. Italy is now a chance of beating NZ purely because it’s off? How...convenient.

Parisse’s is understandably upset but is talking a load of crock about them finding a way if NZ needed the match.

Fact is NZ lose out by not having a reasonable match up within four weeks of a major quarter final, Canada and Namibia way down the list, and that’s if you call a 49-3 loss side reasonable.

Typhoon season has made some folks go to la la land.

would be interesting to see what would happen if Englands QF got called off
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Post by BamBam on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:00 pm

alive555 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:Geez, some people are in cuckoo land. Italy is now a chance of beating NZ purely because it’s off? How...convenient.

Parisse’s is understandably upset but is talking a load of crock about them finding a way if NZ needed the match.

Fact is NZ lose out by not having a reasonable match up within four weeks of a major quarter final, Canada and Namibia way down the list, and that’s if you call a 49-3 loss side reasonable.

Typhoon season has made some folks go to la la land.

would be interesting to see what would happen if Englands QF got called off

They'd follow the rules set out in the tournament guidelines. How have England become the bad guy in this, its beyond me

Cancelled Matches
Where a knock-out Match cannot commence within the two days following the scheduled Match day (or such longer period as specified by RWCL) or is abandoned prior to half-time and cannot be postponed and rescheduled within this period, it shall be considered as cancelled.

In such situations, the following sequential criteria shall apply to determine the winner of the cancelled Match:

>The Team with the most Match points from the pool phase (applicable in quarter-finals and semifinals).
>The Team which in all its Tournament Matches has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against.
>The Team which in all its Tournament Matches has the best difference between tries scored for and tries scored against.
>The Team which in all its Tournament Matches has scored most points.
>The Team which in all its Tournament Matches has scored most tries.
>Where all criteria above are not able to determine a winner, the Team that is higher ranked in the official World Rugby World Rankings at the time the Match is scheduled to be played (this criterion will not apply for the Final; in the case that the winner of the Final cannot be determined from the above criteria the two Teams shall be jointly declared winners).

As we'd have less points than Australia due to playing one less match in the pool phase, we'd go out

I assume all everyone angry about England getting 3 extra days off through no choice of their own due to the clearly defined rules of the tournament cancelling a match would be suitably apoplectic about England going out due to the same game being cancelled

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Post by Afro on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:01 pm

alive555 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:Geez, some people are in cuckoo land. Italy is now a chance of beating NZ purely because it’s off? How...convenient.

Parisse’s is understandably upset but is talking a load of crock about them finding a way if NZ needed the match.

Fact is NZ lose out by not having a reasonable match up within four weeks of a major quarter final, Canada and Namibia way down the list, and that’s if you call a 49-3 loss side reasonable.

Typhoon season has made some folks go to la la land.

would be interesting to see what would happen if Englands QF got called off

England would go through due to getting more points in the pool stages than Australia.

Semi-final - if its NZ, England go through due to getting more points in the Pool stages. The rest depends on which games get played.
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Post by Afro on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:02 pm

BamBam wrote:
alive555 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:Geez, some people are in cuckoo land. Italy is now a chance of beating NZ purely because it’s off? How...convenient.

Parisse’s is understandably upset but is talking a load of crock about them finding a way if NZ needed the match.

Fact is NZ lose out by not having a reasonable match up within four weeks of a major quarter final, Canada and Namibia way down the list, and that’s if you call a 49-3 loss side reasonable.

Typhoon season has made some folks go to la la land.

would be interesting to see what would happen if Englands QF got called off

They'd follow the rules set out in the tournament guidelines. How have England become the bad guy in this, its beyond me

Cancelled Matches
Where a knock-out Match cannot commence within the two days following the scheduled Match day (or such longer period as specified by RWCL) or is abandoned prior to half-time and cannot be postponed and rescheduled within this period, it shall be considered as cancelled.

In such situations, the following sequential criteria shall apply to determine the winner of the cancelled Match:

>The Team with the most Match points from the pool phase (applicable in quarter-finals and semifinals).
>The Team which in all its Tournament Matches has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against.
>The Team which in all its Tournament Matches has the best difference between tries scored for and tries scored against.
>The Team which in all its Tournament Matches has scored most points.
>The Team which in all its Tournament Matches has scored most tries.
>Where all criteria above are not able to determine a winner, the Team that is higher ranked in the official World Rugby World Rankings at the time the Match is scheduled to be played (this criterion will not apply for the Final; in the case that the winner of the Final cannot be determined from the above criteria the two Teams shall be jointly declared winners).

As we'd have less points than Australia due to playing one less match in the pool phase, we'd go out

I assume all everyone angry about England getting 3 extra days off through no choice of their own due to the clearly defined rules of the tournament cancelling a match would be suitably apoplectic about England going out due to the same game being cancelled

We'd have more points than Australia regardless. We have 17, they can get 16 maximum.
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Post by BamBam on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:03 pm

I'm dumb, I was reading match points as points scored!

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:03 pm

alive555 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:Geez, some people are in cuckoo land. Italy is now a chance of beating NZ purely because it’s off? How...convenient.

Parisse’s is understandably upset but is talking a load of crock about them finding a way if NZ needed the match.

Fact is NZ lose out by not having a reasonable match up within four weeks of a major quarter final, Canada and Namibia way down the list, and that’s if you call a 49-3 loss side reasonable.

Typhoon season has made some folks go to la la land.

would be interesting to see what would happen if Englands QF got called off

Australia would most likely cop the blame... Smile

btw, would love to see Eddie and Cheika have a Sumo wrestle to decide the outcome if it did get called off. Wouldn't that be entertaining?
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Post by Afro on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:03 pm

That's what I thought Bam.... Whistle
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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:05 pm

Oh bugger... forgot about that! Laugh
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Post by Big on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:08 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
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Afro wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Ireland v France was cancelled in 2012 six nations due to a frozen pitch. The game was played the following weekend. I know its not the same thing but you have got to find a way to get these games played.

Didn't an Ireland v England 6 nations game get cancelled and played several months later?

Foot and mouth, wasn't it?

2002?

I'm sure it was earlier than that - 2001 I think. If I recall rightly the matches were played in the autumn, and we (England) lost the match against Ireland, with Scotland having played and won their delayed match the week before. Some of my Scottish friends then wished they'd lost so that Ireland rather than England would have won the competition!

I'm pretty sure 2002 was the year we got mullered by the French scrum, and lost to them off the back of it. Caused all sorts of problems. Betsen was a monster as well in that game.

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:09 pm

Yes danger to people would be the rule of law, particularly if the typhoon were to take casualties and either another is pending or this one remains, I don’t know how the timeframe for this one looks. Sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and say it’s just a game.

The logistics of a called off quarterfinal should mean the tournament should be cancelled as in rugby circles any winner wouldn’t be acceptable, but then it would involve revenue decisions, no outcome would be ideal.

World rugby is erring on the side of caution and at this point, regardless of any earlier decisions, could have made things work if they’d underestimated the power of the storm, and they’d look silly if they did that with those sort of weather maps being thrown at them days beforehand.

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Post by Afro on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:10 pm

So if all the remaining games get called off, England and Japan will be declared joint winners

QF1 England (17 pts) v Australia (13) - England
QF2 New Zealand (16) v Ireland (13) - New Zealand
QF3 France (15) v Wales (16) - Wales
QF4 South Africa (15) v Japan (16) - Japan

SF1 England (17) v New Zealand (16) - New Zealand
SF2 Wales (16) v Japan (16) - Japan (points difference +46 v Wales +45)

That late Japan try against Samoa really could be crucial!!!
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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:13 pm

But 2 of those QFs will be played under the roof in Oita, no?
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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:15 pm

Pal Joey wrote:But 2 of those QFs will be played under the roof in Oita, no?

The stadium where NZ v Italy was scheduled to play in on Saturday also has a retractable roof.

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Post by Pie on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:21 pm

TightHEAD wrote:France will make the final now, 2 weeks prep plus added time to sort out their bust up within the camp. I wouldn't want to play them.

As for England it wouldn't surprise me if the RFU pay for Georgia to come and train with them for a couple of days.

When you come on Welsh threads pretending to back the Welsh at least we know its BS now

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:21 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
Pal Joey wrote:But 2 of those QFs will be played under the roof in Oita, no?

The stadium where NZ v Italy was scheduled to play in on Saturday also has a retractable roof.

According to NHK News... the system will start to deteriorate off Hokkaido early next week. So we should be fine.

10m waves south of Tokyo on Saturday though.... scary.
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Post by Taylorman on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:22 pm

Afro wrote:So if all the remaining games get called off, England and Japan will be declared joint winners

QF1 England (17 pts) v Australia (13) - England
QF2 New Zealand (16) v Ireland (13) - New Zealand
QF3 France (15) v Wales (16) - Wales
QF4 South Africa (15) v Japan (16) - Japan

SF1 England (17) v New Zealand (16) - New Zealand
SF2 Wales (16) v Japan (16) - Japan (points difference +46 v Wales +45)

That late Japan try against Samoa really could be crucial!!!

Yes all because in NZs pool they play 1 vs 2 first and in England’s they played it last. Crazy scheduling. The whole point of being seeded first in a group is to play the easier games first and the 1 vs 2 last. NZ should be playing SA last so will have already chalked up the likely Italy win. This is why Italy are able to moan now, had the group been played out correctly their final match would have been vs either Namibia or Canada.

Ireland should have played Scotland last, not first.

By altering some groups that way you end up with this facade.


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Post by Poorfour on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:28 pm

Are Japan getting special treatment as hosts? The organisers are prioritising that match as it's the one that has the most influence on the outturn of the group, but if the match were cancelled Japan would go through. By delaying the decision, they are doing their utmost to give Scotland their shot.

Meanwhile, the cancelled matches wouldn't really expected to affect the group tables, other than settling things in the order we expected them to land. As a result, a couple of teams miss out on last hurrahs, and a couple get lucky with their recovery and prep.

I feel a little pang for those fans and players missing out, but it is what it is.
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Post by Pie on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:31 pm

Did World Rugby cancel the game so that England wouldn't get caught out throwing it and discredit rugby forever??

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Post by alive555 on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:31 pm

world rugby press conference saying the sco japan game wont be treated any differently than the other cancelled matches ie no contingency plan

great stuff world rugby
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Post by Pie on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:32 pm

alive555 wrote:world rugby press conference saying the sco japan game wont be treated any differently than the other cancelled matches  ie no contingency plan

great stuff world rugby

um it already is being treated differently as in they haven't called it off.

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Post by Steffan on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:35 pm

Pie wrote:
alive555 wrote:world rugby press conference saying the sco japan game wont be treated any differently than the other cancelled matches  ie no contingency plan

great stuff world rugby

um it already is being treated differently as in they haven't called it off.
I wanted Japan to win this one as well but gone off them with this behaviour

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Post by alive555 on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:37 pm

Steffan wrote:
Pie wrote:
alive555 wrote:world rugby press conference saying the sco japan game wont be treated any differently than the other cancelled matches  ie no contingency plan

great stuff world rugby

um it already is being treated differently as in they haven't called it off.
I wanted Japan to win this one as well but gone off them with this behaviour

so if there is NO contingency planning for any games then what happens in the knock out stages??

farcical
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Post by Pie on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:38 pm

I just want to see the competition, want two very evenly matched teams to play it out as this RWC is suppose to provide. Best team to win etc. The assumption NZ would hammer Italy led match not needed is despicable. Any game still to play that could potentially have affected outcome should have been played by hook or by crook. They should have kept the stadia with a roof free for such an eventuality with Japanese military providing logistical sport. Its BS to say that they did all they could blah de blah.

But I ask again in all seriousness, what genius gave RWC to a country that is victim of typhoons IN TYPHOON SEASON!!!!

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Post by Pie on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:39 pm

alive555 wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Pie wrote:
alive555 wrote:world rugby press conference saying the sco japan game wont be treated any differently than the other cancelled matches  ie no contingency plan

great stuff world rugby

um it already is being treated differently as in they haven't called it off.
I wanted Japan to win this one as well but gone off them with this behaviour

so if there is NO contingency planning for any games then what happens in the knock out stages??

farcical

Exactly...the Final....can you imagine if that is called off!!!

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Post by miaow on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:39 pm

In all fairness I don't think this is the players and coaches deciding this Steffan. Or even the union.

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:40 pm

Count backs to pool results...

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Post by Steffan on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:41 pm

I still can't believe both England and France avoided each other. No injuries to pick up or potential red cards. More rest time before the quarter finals as well. As I say I feel sorry for all the French fans who have travelled over and had tickets for the game but the team and can't complain about the outcome same as England

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:45 pm

Pie wrote:I just want to see the competition, want two very evenly matched teams to play it out as this RWC is suppose to provide. Best team to win etc. The assumption NZ would hammer Italy led match not needed is despicable. Any game still to play that could potentially have affected outcome should have been played by hook or by crook. They should have kept the stadia with a roof free for such an eventuality with Japanese military providing logistical sport. Its BS to say that they did all they could blah de blah.

But I ask again in all seriousness, what genius gave RWC to a country that is victim of typhoons IN TYPHOON SEASON!!!!

A small group of them did.

Tournaments are organised by Rugby World Cup Ltd (RWCL), which is itself owned by World Rugby. The selection of host is decided by a vote of World Rugby Council members. The voting procedure is managed by a team of independent auditors, and the voting kept secret.

So they took a gamble and now the questions are being asked. Personally I thought it was a great choice of host country... maybe the timing was unlucky.
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Post by Pie on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:48 pm

I agree the host country choice is superb. The timing is dreadful and I wonder what was in the disclosure documentation about weather

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Post by Poorfour on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 5:51 pm

Taylorman wrote:Yes all because in NZs pool they play 1 vs 2 first and in England’s they played it last. Crazy scheduling. The whole point of being seeded first in a group is to play the easier games first and the 1 vs 2 last. NZ should be playing SA last so will have already chalked up the likely Italy win. This is why Italy are able to moan now, had the group been played out correctly their final match would have been vs either Namibia or Canada.

Ireland should have played Scotland last, not first.

No, that's nonsense. Seeding and match schedules are two completely different things. Seeding helps to ensure that you don't concentrate too many strong teams in one pool, and nothing else.

Match scheduling used to be about putting the Tier 1 games on at the weekend to maximise the TV viewing and squeezing the minnows in around them. For RWC 2019, they had different objectives:

RWC 2019 wrote:At the heart of the match schedule is player welfare and fan experience. All match venues will be within 45 minutes of a team camp, while the match schedule has been developed to optimise rest days for tier two teams ahead of tier one fixtures, enhancing preparation.

The schedule has also been developed following team feedback post Rugby World Cup 2015 with an equitable match schedule a core principle and a significant improvement has been achieved within the framework of a four pool, five teams per pool format. No tier two team plays a tier one team following a short rest period.
Source: https://www.world.rugby/news/291620?lang=en

In order to do that, they've shared out the short turnarounds across everybody and tried to ensure that the Tier 2 teams get similar treatment to Tier 1. I am hugely supportive of that - as should anyone be who wants to see rugby prosper.

That doesn't mean shoving all the tier 1 v tier 1 games on the last weekend, though. The Tier 1 v Tier 1 games are distributed 3 / 1 / 2 / 2 across the weekends (or 3 / 1 / 1 / 1 not counting Italy). If we treat Japan as an honorary Tier 1 because of their host status, it's 3 / 2 / 2 / 3, which is as even as you can get. That makes sense from the point of view of maintaining excitement. And in a pool with three competitive teams, you have to spread the matches over at least 3 weekends, because only 2 of them can play each other at any one time.
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Post by miaow on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 6:22 pm

Good stuff Poorfour.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 6:25 pm

I can't say i'm for any more preferential treatment for the tier one sides.

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 6:45 pm

Poorfour wrote:
Taylorman wrote:Yes all because in NZs pool they play 1 vs 2 first and in England’s they played it last. Crazy scheduling. The whole point of being seeded first in a group is to play the easier games first and the 1 vs 2 last. NZ should be playing SA last so will have already chalked up the likely Italy win. This is why Italy are able to moan now, had the group been played out correctly their final match would have been vs either Namibia or Canada.

Ireland should have played Scotland last, not first.

No, that's nonsense. Seeding and match schedules are two completely different things. Seeding helps to ensure that you don't concentrate too many strong teams in one pool, and nothing else.

Match scheduling used to be about putting the Tier 1 games on at the weekend to maximise the TV viewing and squeezing the minnows in around them. For RWC 2019, they had different objectives:

RWC 2019 wrote:At the heart of the match schedule is player welfare and fan experience. All match venues will be within 45 minutes of a team camp, while the match schedule has been developed to optimise rest days for tier two teams ahead of tier one fixtures, enhancing preparation.

The schedule has also been developed following team feedback post Rugby World Cup 2015 with an equitable match schedule a core principle and a significant improvement has been achieved within the framework of a four pool, five teams per pool format. No tier two team plays a tier one team following a short rest period.
Source: https://www.world.rugby/news/291620?lang=en

In order to do that, they've shared out the short turnarounds across everybody and tried to ensure that the Tier 2 teams get similar treatment to Tier 1. I am hugely supportive of that - as should anyone be who wants to see rugby prosper.

That doesn't mean shoving all the tier 1 v tier 1 games on the last weekend, though. The Tier 1 v Tier 1 games are distributed 3 / 1 / 2 / 2 across the weekends (or 3 / 1 / 1 / 1 not counting Italy). If we treat Japan as an honorary Tier 1 because of their host status, it's 3 / 2 / 2 / 3, which is as even as you can get. That makes sense from the point of view of maintaining excitement. And in a pool with three competitive teams, you have to spread the matches over at least 3 weekends, because only 2 of them can play each other at any one time.

Still don’t agree that that should override the tournament format in the way it should be seeded. But if money talks, so be it. But you have this farcical situation compounded because of it. anyway, it is what it is.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 6:47 pm

Christ you spout non stop garbage Taylor.

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 7:04 pm

Fits the narrative, thanks Soul. As much garbage as suggesting NZ would be favoured if they need the points? I think not.
And it’s a valid point mr garbarge collector.
If this tournament is decide on count back to pool play, those that have missed playing one vs two have advantage, as England did.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 7:26 pm

I am sure they did not take this situation lightly, it was mainly concerned about "SAFETY"
Public safety, Players safety. Not about any thing Else.

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Post by Galted on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 7:44 pm

Steffan wrote:
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alive555 wrote:world rugby press conference saying the sco japan game wont be treated any differently than the other cancelled matches  ie no contingency plan

great stuff world rugby

um it already is being treated differently as in they haven't called it off.
I wanted Japan to win this one as well but gone off them with this behaviour

There's no advantage for Japan to play, if it's called off then they win the group they're through (and as group winners).
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Post by Steffan on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 8:08 pm

Galted wrote:There's no advantage for Japan to play, if it's called off then they win the group they're through (and as group winners).
Ok OK

What does it mean if your username is in black by the way Galted?

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Post by Galted on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 8:10 pm

Steffan wrote:
Galted wrote:There's no advantage for Japan to play, if it's called off then they win the group they're through (and as group winners).
Ok OK

What does it mean if your username is in black by the way Galted?

Hadn't noticed until you pointed it out. Hopefully it doesn't mean I'm about to find out I'm dead or something.
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Post by Old Man on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 8:27 pm

We can all agree from a moral, statistical and historical point of view, matches cancelled is wrong.

Some matches cancelled has a biggerimpact on quakifications than other.

The NZ vs Italy match may be a foregone conclusion and is highly doubtful it would make an iota of difference, but it is still wrong.

Morally it takes away from the spectators, from players like Parisse who must have wanted to celebrate his potential last test match vs the current world champions.

The world cup will historically be tainted.

The England vs France match cancelled is wrong from every perspective.

Imagine your own team gets impacted negatively by the cancellation of a match.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 8:29 pm

Galted wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Pie wrote:
alive555 wrote:world rugby press conference saying the sco japan game wont be treated any differently than the other cancelled matches  ie no contingency plan

great stuff world rugby

um it already is being treated differently as in they haven't called it off.
I wanted Japan to win this one as well but gone off them with this behaviour

There's no advantage for Japan to play, if it's called off then they win the group they're through (and as group winners).

It hasnt been treated differently, its scheduled a day after the games that have been cancelled on a day that is forecast to be sunny with light wind.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 8:31 pm

Galted wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Galted wrote:There's no advantage for Japan to play, if it's called off then they win the group they're through (and as group winners).
Ok OK

What does it mean if your username is in black by the way Galted?

Hadn't noticed until you pointed it out.  Hopefully it doesn't mean I'm about to find out I'm dead or something.

Haha

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Post by Afro on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 9:22 pm

Old Man wrote:We can all agree from a moral, statistical and historical point of view, matches cancelled is wrong.

Some matches cancelled has a biggerimpact on quakifications than other.

The NZ vs Italy match may be a foregone conclusion and is highly doubtful it would make an iota of difference, but it is still wrong.

Morally it takes away from the spectators, from players like Parisse who must have wanted to celebrate his potential last test match vs the current world champions.

The world cup will historically be tainted.

The England vs France match cancelled is wrong from every perspective.

Imagine your own team gets impacted negatively by the cancellation of a match.

Sorry for dismissing the rest of your post, but I love quakifications. I picture a lot of ducks!!
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Post by Old Man on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 9:30 pm

Very Happy Very Happy

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck it is most likely quakifications.

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Post by Gooseberry on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 9:41 pm

Old Man wrote:

The England vs France match cancelled is wrong from every perspective.


Its really not. Its unfortunate but has little impact on the world cup.

Same with the Italy game.

Theres some nonsense controversy every world cop. Its only a couple of kiwi posters on here who still bang on about food poisoning conspiracies and Wayne Barnes, the rest of us just check wikipedia to see who won the thing. Who remember Joubert fleeing the pitch after putting Scotland out with a howler? Dodgy balls at the 2011 world cup?

It maybe wouldve been a better option, but potentially not solved every situation ( what if the stadium gets wrecked by the typhoon?) to have a closed door match on a reserve day lined up for every fixture, but that could easily have given someone a 3 day instead of 4 day turnaround.

The rules are being followed and consistently applied. Unlike when Australia try to tackle people.


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Post by miaow on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 9:41 pm

Isn't that what doctor grey had? Quackifications?

Edit: I've mixed up my greys. Meant grey ghost... ghost

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Post by Old Man on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 9:57 pm

Gooseberry wrote:
Old Man wrote:

The England vs France match cancelled is wrong from every perspective.


Its really not. Its unfortunate but has little impact on the world cup.

Same with the Italy game.

Theres some nonsense controversy every world cop. Its only a couple of kiwi posters on here who still bang on about food poisoning conspiracies and Wayne Barnes, the rest of us just check wikipedia to see who won the thing. Who remember Joubert fleeing the pitch after putting Scotland out with a howler? Dodgy balls at the 2011 world cup?

It maybe wouldve been a better option, but potentially not solved every situation ( what if the stadium gets wrecked by the typhoon?) to have a closed door match on a reserve day lined up for every fixture, but that could easily have given someone a 3 day instead of 4 day turnaround.  

The rules are being followed and consistently applied. Unlike when Australia try to tackle people.


How can you say cancellation of the England vs France match has no impact?

It is the decider of who wins the pool

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Post by majesticimperialman on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 10:08 pm

Old Man wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:
Old Man wrote:

The England vs France match cancelled is wrong from every perspective.


Its really not. Its unfortunate but has little impact on the world cup.

Same with the Italy game.

Theres some nonsense controversy every world cop. Its only a couple of kiwi posters on here who still bang on about food poisoning conspiracies and Wayne Barnes, the rest of us just check wikipedia to see who won the thing. Who remember Joubert fleeing the pitch after putting Scotland out with a howler? Dodgy balls at the 2011 world cup?

It maybe wouldve been a better option, but potentially not solved every situation ( what if the stadium gets wrecked by the typhoon?) to have a closed door match on a reserve day lined up for every fixture, but that could easily have given someone a 3 day instead of 4 day turnaround.  

The rules are being followed and consistently applied. Unlike when Australia try to tackle people.


How can you say cancellation of the England vs France match has no impact?

It is the decider of who wins the pool


That would be England, right, who wins the pool i mean. England have more points than France any way.

Besides, i would rather the game be cancelled than any player, member of the public, be put in any danger from flying objects ripped off roofs etc.

It is purely for "SAFETY" reasons. That this game is cancelled. Why can people/fans not understand that? picard

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 10 Oct 2019, 10:11 pm

because you dont have to cancel a game you can play on another day.

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