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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 17 Oct 2019, 2:07 pm

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Table

Pos
Team
Played
Won
Drawn
Lost
For
Against
Pts Difference
Bonus
Points
1
Northampton Saints
7
5
2
0
194
146
48
3
23
2
Exeter Chiefs
6
4
2
0
142
97
45
4
20
3
Gloucester Rugby
7
3
4
0
149
121
28
6
18
4
Bristol Bears
7
3
3
1
157
165
-8
4
18
5
Bath Rugby
7
4
3
0
139
145
-6
1
17
6
Worcester Warriors
7
4
3
0
122
144
-22
1
17
7
Sale Sharks
7
3
4
0
144
105
39
5
17
8
Harlequins
7
3
3
1
158
169
-11
3
17
9
London Irish
7
2
4
1
128
179
-51
2
12
10
Wasps
7
2
5
0
134
191
-57
3
11
11
Leicester Tigers
7
1
5
1
118
191
-76
0
6
12
Saracens
6
5
1
0
158
87
71
-32
-13


Bath
Last Season - 6th

Players in: Lewis Boyce (Prop), Christian Judge (Prop), Will Stuart (Prop), Mike Williams (Utility Forward), Josh McNally (Second Row), Ollie Fox (Scrum Half)
Promoted from Academy: Miles Reid, Will Vaughan, Sam Nixon, Tom de Glanville, Will Britton, Jack Davies, Tom Doughty, Levi Davis promoted (X Factor permitting)

Players Out: Dave Attwood (Second Row), Paul Grant (Back Row), Luke Charteris (Second Row), James Wilson (Utility Back), Kahn Fotuali'i (Scrum Half), Jacques van Rooyen (Prop), Jack Wilson (Wing), Cooper Vuna (Wing), Anthony Perenise (Prop), Michael van Vuuren (Hooker), Max Lahiff (Prop)


Bristol Bears
Last Season - 9th

Players in: Dave Attwood (Second Row), Nathan Hughes (Back Row), Nicky Thomas (Prop), Max Lahiff (Prop), Tyrese Johnson-Fisher (Wing)
Promoted from Academy: Sam Bedlow, John Hawkins, Toby Fricker

Players out: Nick Haining (Back Row), George Smith (Back Row), Nick Fenton-Wells (Back Row), Joe Latta (Second Row), Tusi Pisi (Fly Half), Sione Faletau (Prop), Jack Lam (Back Row)


Exeter Chiefs
Last Season: Runners Up

Players in: Stuart Hogg (Full Back), Will Witty (Second Row), Tom Price (Second Row), Stan South (Utility Forward), Jannes Kirsten (Utility Forward), Jacques Vermeulen (Utility Forward)

Players out: Santiago Cordero (Wing/FB), Tom Lawday (Back Row), Moray Low (Prop), Ollie Atkins (Second Row), Mitch Lees (Second Row)


Gloucester
Last Season: 3rd

Players in: Joe Simpson (Scrum Half), Jamal Ford-Robinson (Prop), Chris Harris (Centre), Corne Fourie (Prop)
Promoted from Academy: Charlie Chapman, Alex Seville, Alex Craig, Ciaran Knight, Tom Seabrook, Henry Walker

Players out: Paddy McAllister (Prop), Gareth Denman (Prop), Kyle Traynor (Prop) Tom Savage (Second Row), Gareth Evans (Back Row), Ben Vellacott (Scrum Half), Henry Purdy (Centre/Wing)


Harlequins
Last Season 4th

Players in: Santiago Garcias Botta (Prop), Martin Landajo (Scrum Half), Michele Campagnaro (Centre), Scott Baldwin (Hooker), Stephan Lewies (Second Row), Glen Young (Second Row), Will Evans (Flanker), Simon Kerrod (Prop), Tom Lawday (Back Row), Travis Ismaiel (Wing), Veriniki Goneva (Wing), Tevita Cavubati (Second Row)

Players out: Alofa Alofa (Utility Back), George Merrick (Second Row), Lewis Boyce (Prop), James Horwill (Second Row), Josh Ibuanokpe (Prop), Tim Visser (Wing), Charlie Walker(Wing), Demitir Catrakilis (Fly Half), Mat Luamanu (Back Row), Luke Wallace (Flanker), Stan South (Second Row), Dave Ward (Hooker), Dave Lewis (Scrum Half), Ben Glynn (Second Row)


Leicester Tigers
Last season 11th

Players in: Jordan Taufua (Back Row), Noel Reid (Fly Half/Centre), Calum Green (Second Row), Jaco Taute (Centre), Tomas Lavanini (Second Row), Nephi Leatigaga (Prop), Charlie Clare (Hooker), Joe Thomas (Centre), Johnny McPhillips (Fly Half), EW Viljoen (Utility Back), Hanro Liebenberg (Back Row), Jordan Coghlan (Back Row)
Promoted from Academy: Tom Hardwicke, Joe Heyes, Sam Lewis, Jordan Olowefela, Tommy Reffell, Sam Aspland Robinson, Harry Simmons, Ben White

Players out: Matt Toomua (Centre), Mike Williams (Utility Forward), Graham Kitchener (Second Row), Mathew Tait (Utility Back), Will Evans (Flanker), Tom Varndell (Winger), James Voss (Second Row), Matt Smith (Centre), Gareth Owen (Centre), Michael Fitzgerald (Second Row), Brendon O'Connor (Back Row), Valentino Mapapalangi (Back Row), Fred Tuilagi (Back Row), Leonardo Sarto (Wing),  Joe Ford (Fly Half), David Feao (Prop), David Denton (Back Row), Ross McMillan (Hooker), Campese Ma'afu (Prop), Charlie Thacker (Centre)


London Irish
Last Season: Promoted

Players in: Allan Dell (Prop), Nick Phipps (Scrum Half), Curtis Rona (Wing), Sean O'Brien (Back Row), Sekope Kepu (Prop), Paddy Jackson (Fly Half), Waisake Naholo (Wing), Adam Coleman (Second Row), Ruan Botha (Second Row), Steve Mafi (Utility Forward), George Nott (Utility Forward)

Players Out: Josh McNally (Second Row), Ian Keatley (Fly Half), Brendan McKibbin (Centre), Mike Coman (Back Row), Tommy Bell (Utility Back), Topsy Ojo (Wing), Fergus Mulchrone (Centre), Luke McLean (Full Back), Sebastian de Chaves (Second Row), Ofisa Treviranus (Back Row), Greig Tonks (Utility Back),  Napolioni Nalaga (Wing), Sam Twomey (Second Row), Filo Paulo (Second Row), Manasa Saulo (Prop)


Northampton Saints
Last Season: 4th

Players in: Matt Proctor (Utility back), Owen Franks (Prop), Ryan Olowofela (Wing), Henry Taylor (Scrum Half), Michael van Vuuren (Hooker)
Promoted from Academy: Ehren Painter, Fraser Dingwall,  James Grayson,  Alex Mitchell,  Alex Moon

Players Out: Luther Burrell (Centre), Jamal Ford-Robinson (Prop), James Craig (Utility Forward), James Haskell (Back Row), Dominic Barrow (Second Row), Nafi Tuitavake (Wing), Ken Pisi (Centre)


Sale Sharks
Last Season: 7th

Players in: Jake Cooper-Woolley (Prop), Robert du Preez (Fly Half), Akker van der Merwe (Hooker), Lood de Jager (Second Row), Coenie Oosthuizen (Prop), Dan du Preez (Utility Forward), Jean-Luc du Preez (Back Row), Simon Hammersley (Full Back), Mark Wilson (Back Row)

Players Out: Andrei Ostrikov (Second Row), Mark Jennings (Centre), Alexandru Țăruș (Prop), Johnny Leota (Centre),  Paolo Odogwu (Wing), James O'Connor (Utility Back), Josh Strauss (Back Row), George Nott (Utility Forward)


Saracens
Last Season: Champions

Players in: Elliot Daly (Utility back), Rhys Carré (Prop), Jack Singleton (Hooker), Josh Ibuanokpe (Prop)
Promoted from Academy: Alistair Crossdale, Dominic Morris

Players out: Christopher Tolofua (Hooker), Sione Vailanu (Back Row), Hayden Thompson-Stringer (Prop), David Strettle (Wing), Henry Taylor (Scrum Half) Dominic Day (Second Row), Marcelo Bosch (Centre), Schalk Burger (Back Row)


Wasps
Last Season: 8th

Players in: Malakai Fekitoa (Centre), Jeffery Toomaga-Allen (Prop), Ben Vellacott (Scrum Half), Matteo Minozzi (Utility back), Sione Vailanu (Back row), Biyi Alo (Prop), Paolo Odogwu (Wing), Zach Kibirige (wing)
Promoted from academy:  Will Porter,  Callum Sirker,  Sam Spink,  Tom Willis,  Tim Cardall,  Gabriel Oghre,  Owain James, Jacob Umaga

Players out: Jake Cooper-Woolley (Prop), Nathan Hughes (Back row), Will Stuart (Prop), Elliot Daly (Centre), Joe Simpson (Scrum half), Willie le Roux (Full Back), Michele Campagnaro (Centre), Kearnan Myall (Second Row), Gabiriele Lovobalavu (Centre), Matt Mullan (Prop)


Worcester Warriors
Last Season 10th

Players in: Graham Kitchener (Second Row), Jono Kitto (Scrum Half), Melani Nanai (Wing), Ed Fidow (Wing)
Promoted from Academy: Andrew Kitchener,  Ted Hill

Players out:  Bryce Heem (Wing), Josh Adams (Wing), Darren Barry (Second Row), Wynand Olivier (Centre), Dewald Potgieter (Back row), Jack Singleton (Hooker), Jonny Arr (Scrum half), Carl Kirwan (Back row), Luke Baldwin (Scrum Half), Ben Te'o (Centre), Alafoti Fa'osiliva (Back row)


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Post by formerly known as Sam on Mon 06 Jan 2020, 11:51 am

We looked dire all over the pitch though not just the backline. Eastmond and Taute seem to be developing a good centre combination and with Owolfela and hopefully soon Holmes back the back three should look tasty. Hardwick will have to step up at flyhalf but he did well Vs Cardiff in the cup.

Front row will be badly hit but we'll still have Kalamafoni, Lavanini and Taufua behind them with hopefully Liebenburg and Spencer back soon as well. Backup props should at least hold their own.

We play Bath before the 6N where they will be massively weakened but despite their attacking talents they aren't scoring many tries we'll have to somehow counteract that backrow. Wasps score a lot of tries but their front five is shocking and their defence little better. During the 6N period will make that game a lot tougher as otherwise you'd expect our scrum to decimate as they did Vs Quins and squeeze us something from the game.

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Post by Heaf on Mon 06 Jan 2020, 4:49 pm

Gooseberry wrote:I'd have Irish favourites for the drop now. Theres still a lot of the season to go and with Tigers finally getting their lives together there does seem to be a bit of a momentum shift in the league.
The 6 nations could hit both fairly hard, and of course Saracens will suffer more than anyone, but the big clubs just have more depth and ability to pull in additional cover to get through those raw spells.
Losing a game where the opposition has shipped two yellows by a big margin is the sign of a team in trouble.

Theres certainly no indication that Saracens wont stop chewing up their deduction and reach safety. Anyone from 8th up would have to have a real slide to get overhauled though, and with 3 other clubs below them should have done just enough early season to feel fairly comfortable, even Worcs. Quins and Bath will have more of an eye on the playoff spots being 5 points away than Tigers who are 6 behind them.

To me Irosh look like Irish are the side most likely to have a horrid run and sink into a more they cant escape from. Most recent seasons have seen a weak club fold late season and end up a way adrift even if some bigger names have struggled and given them hope for a time.

With the playoffs being near impossible for Saracens the title seems to be between Exeter and Northampton, other two playoff spots being wide open. If Northampton dont progress in Europe that coupled with less players being subjected tonthe rigours of the 6 nations might just leave them fresher at season end to take the title.

It may be a bit of a stretch but arguably LI could be 5th on 19 points at the moment but for a couple of officiating bungles ... the appalling penalty at the end of the Sarries match denied them the draw (+1 point) or maybe even a win had the penalty been given the right way (+3 points). Plus the red card in the Bristol match for shoulder to head, which the disciplinary panel subsequentally agreed was actually shoulder to shoulder, so probably should have been a yellow not red - even though it was monumentally stupid. LI got a draw with 3 tries after playing the 2nd half with 14 so it may well have been a TBP win but for the red (+3 points). I know it's lots of ifs and buts but this shows it's all fine margins so with a bit of luck LI could still survive. I think a lot depends on getting some of the key players back from injury and being able to put out a stable team for a while - the defence at the start of the season was much better than it has been of late. And they can score tries as they showed on Sunday, not many teams get TBPs against Chiefs - the frustrating part was they didn't score after Chiefs went down to 13 and maybe pick up the LBP as well.

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Post by stnick88 on Mon 06 Jan 2020, 5:09 pm

Heaf to be fair we could have lost at Wasps on the opening day and no guarantee we would have won with 15 v Bristol?

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Post by Heaf on Mon 06 Jan 2020, 5:19 pm

For sure - and I did say it was ifs and buts and a bit of a stretch - the main point was small things going either way can make a big difference so with a bit of luck who knows ...

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 06 Jan 2020, 11:28 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Any updates about Fatialofa?

Stable in intensive care.

http://warriors.co.uk/2020/01/06/michael-fatialofa-undergoes-surgery/


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Post by yappysnap on Tue 07 Jan 2020, 1:01 am

Heaf wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:I'd have Irish favourites for the drop now. Theres still a lot of the season to go and with Tigers finally getting their lives together there does seem to be a bit of a momentum shift in the league.
The 6 nations could hit both fairly hard, and of course Saracens will suffer more than anyone, but the big clubs just have more depth and ability to pull in additional cover to get through those raw spells.
Losing a game where the opposition has shipped two yellows by a big margin is the sign of a team in trouble.

Theres certainly no indication that Saracens wont stop chewing up their deduction and reach safety. Anyone from 8th up would have to have a real slide to get overhauled though, and with 3 other clubs below them should have done just enough early season to feel fairly comfortable, even Worcs. Quins and Bath will have more of an eye on the playoff spots being 5 points away than Tigers who are 6 behind them.

To me Irosh look like Irish are the side most likely to have a horrid run and sink into a more they cant escape from. Most recent seasons have seen a weak club fold late season and end up a way adrift even if some bigger names have struggled and given them hope for a time.

With the playoffs being near impossible for Saracens the title seems to be between Exeter and Northampton, other two playoff spots being wide open. If Northampton dont progress in Europe that coupled with less players being subjected tonthe rigours of the 6 nations might just leave them fresher at season end to take the title.

It may be a bit of a stretch but arguably LI could be 5th on 19 points at the moment but for a couple of officiating bungles ... the appalling penalty at the end of the Sarries match denied them the draw (+1 point) or maybe even a win had the penalty been given the right way (+3 points).  Plus the red card in the Bristol match for shoulder to head, which the disciplinary panel subsequentally agreed was actually shoulder to shoulder, so probably should have been a yellow not red - even though it was monumentally stupid.  LI got a draw with 3 tries after playing the 2nd half with 14 so it may well have been a TBP win but for the red (+3 points).  I know it's lots of ifs and buts but this shows it's all fine margins so with a bit of luck LI could still survive.   I think a lot depends on getting some of the key players back from injury and being able to put out a stable team for a while - the defence at the start of the season was much better than it has been of late.  And they can score tries as they showed on Sunday, not many teams get TBPs against Chiefs - the frustrating part was they didn't score after Chiefs went down to 13 and maybe pick up the LBP as well.

I swear every season LI are in the Prem we hear about how they've been robbed by refs more then any other team.

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Post by Heaf on Tue 07 Jan 2020, 9:23 am

Must be true then Whistle

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Post by stnick88 on Tue 07 Jan 2020, 9:26 am

Yappy that is because we lose more games than anyone so have more to moan about!

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Post by Rinsure on Tue 07 Jan 2020, 11:06 am

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stnick88 wrote:6 Nations...Wasps won't lose many but Launchbury is so important for them. Minozzi and Robson would also be big blows.

Yep, Launch is huge for us, and the fact he withdrew before KO on Sunday weakened us significantly.

I'd argue that Robson's form for us is so bad at the moment that we'd probably benefit from an enforced change (hands in the Minozzi try on Sunday aside). We box kick from 9 too often, and it's too long or directed poorly (and don't get me started on the quality of the chase!). For some reason we're not building the awful caterpillar rucks like *everyone else*, so he's always under pressure - led directly to Tom Wood's try.

Minozzi has shown flashes so far, but nothing to suggest he'd be a big miss. Rob Miller would be a more than adequate replacement.

We play both Tigers and Saracens during the 6N, and comparatively we're significantly less worse off than either of those. We need to capitalise.


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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 10:26 am

Some positive news about Fatialofa.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51014248
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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 10:35 am

I feared the worst for Fatialofa, but then I remembered Lydiate had a serious neck injury early in his career which he successfully returned from (after a year or two out). I hope it's the same for MF.

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Post by RiscaGame on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 10:51 am

Good news. Hopefully there is further improvement soon.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 11:19 am

At this point I'm just hoping to see the poor bloke up and walking around, playing with his kids etc. Rugby is a secondary issue compared to long term health.

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Post by Khouli Khan on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 11:31 am

Heaf wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:I'd have Irish favourites for the drop now. Theres still a lot of the season to go and with Tigers finally getting their lives together there does seem to be a bit of a momentum shift in the league.
The 6 nations could hit both fairly hard, and of course Saracens will suffer more than anyone, but the big clubs just have more depth and ability to pull in additional cover to get through those raw spells.
Losing a game where the opposition has shipped two yellows by a big margin is the sign of a team in trouble.

Theres certainly no indication that Saracens wont stop chewing up their deduction and reach safety. Anyone from 8th up would have to have a real slide to get overhauled though, and with 3 other clubs below them should have done just enough early season to feel fairly comfortable, even Worcs. Quins and Bath will have more of an eye on the playoff spots being 5 points away than Tigers who are 6 behind them.

To me Irosh look like Irish are the side most likely to have a horrid run and sink into a more they cant escape from. Most recent seasons have seen a weak club fold late season and end up a way adrift even if some bigger names have struggled and given them hope for a time.

With the playoffs being near impossible for Saracens the title seems to be between Exeter and Northampton, other two playoff spots being wide open. If Northampton dont progress in Europe that coupled with less players being subjected tonthe rigours of the 6 nations might just leave them fresher at season end to take the title.

It may be a bit of a stretch................................ the frustrating part was they didn't score after Chiefs went down to 13 and maybe pick up the LBP as well.

You got that right - any team that can't take advantage of a two man advantage for that period of time during a match is going to struggle over the course of a season.

It might have already been said, but LI are always being 'robbed' by the referee according to their supporters.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 11:54 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:At this point I'm just hoping to see the poor bloke up and walking around, playing with his kids etc. Rugby is a secondary issue compared to long term health.


The smart action from all concerned prevented what could have very easily been a severed spinal cord. With this type of injury the sensible option will be to take the insurance payment. It just is not worth the risk.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 12:03 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:At this point I'm just hoping to see the poor bloke up and walking around, playing with his kids etc. Rugby is a secondary issue compared to long term health.


The smart action from all concerned prevented what could have very easily been a severed spinal cord. With this type of injury the sensible option will be to take the insurance payment. It just is not worth the risk.

100% take the cash and move on with your life. Don't risk losing everything again.

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Post by Heaf on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 12:40 pm

Khouli Khan wrote:
Heaf wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:I'd have Irish favourites for the drop now. Theres still a lot of the season to go and with Tigers finally getting their lives together there does seem to be a bit of a momentum shift in the league.
The 6 nations could hit both fairly hard, and of course Saracens will suffer more than anyone, but the big clubs just have more depth and ability to pull in additional cover to get through those raw spells.
Losing a game where the opposition has shipped two yellows by a big margin is the sign of a team in trouble.

Theres certainly no indication that Saracens wont stop chewing up their deduction and reach safety. Anyone from 8th up would have to have a real slide to get overhauled though, and with 3 other clubs below them should have done just enough early season to feel fairly comfortable, even Worcs. Quins and Bath will have more of an eye on the playoff spots being 5 points away than Tigers who are 6 behind them.

To me Irosh look like Irish are the side most likely to have a horrid run and sink into a more they cant escape from. Most recent seasons have seen a weak club fold late season and end up a way adrift even if some bigger names have struggled and given them hope for a time.

With the playoffs being near impossible for Saracens the title seems to be between Exeter and Northampton, other two playoff spots being wide open. If Northampton dont progress in Europe that coupled with less players being subjected tonthe rigours of the 6 nations might just leave them fresher at season end to take the title.

It may be a bit of a stretch................................ the frustrating part was they didn't score after Chiefs went down to 13 and maybe pick up the LBP as well.

You got that right - any team that can't take advantage of a two man advantage for that period of time during a match is going to struggle over the course of a season.

It might have already been said, but LI are always being 'robbed' by the referee according to their supporters.

Actually I 'mis-spoke' - they did score a try after the 2nd yellow to get the TBP and had about 8 minutes with a 2 man advantage so it was disappointing they didn't score again. Wasps actually had a bigger advantage in their match and ended up conceding a try to lose the match with a longer advantage after a red and a yellow. I don't think you can look at one match and draw those sorts of conclusions as the team on other days will be quite different depending on injuries and some new players yet to start. Who knows, Tigers could have another slump during the 6N - LI managed to beat them easily without the benefit of any cards - so as I said you can't take one match and extrapolate that to the whole season. Not saying you're wrong about LI being favourites for the drop but I don't think you can look at one period of one match and draw any major conclusions from it, after all they did score 3 tries against Chiefs who are normally very good in defence when they still had 15 on the pitch and Chiefs got the 2 yellows for deliberate knock-ons in try scoring positions, so maybe if they hadn't offended LI would still have got the TBP without the benefit of any cards.

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Post by Khouli Khan on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 12:44 pm

Heaf wrote:
Khouli Khan wrote:
Heaf wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:I'd have Irish favourites for the drop now. Theres still a lot of the season to go and with Tigers finally getting their lives together there does seem to be a bit of a momentum shift in the league.
The 6 nations could hit both fairly hard, and of course Saracens will suffer more than anyone, but the big clubs just have more depth and ability to pull in additional cover to get through those raw spells.
Losing a game where the opposition has shipped two yellows by a big margin is the sign of a team in trouble.

Theres certainly no indication that Saracens wont stop chewing up their deduction and reach safety. Anyone from 8th up would have to have a real slide to get overhauled though, and with 3 other clubs below them should have done just enough early season to feel fairly comfortable, even Worcs. Quins and Bath will have more of an eye on the playoff spots being 5 points away than Tigers who are 6 behind them.

To me Irosh look like Irish are the side most likely to have a horrid run and sink into a more they cant escape from. Most recent seasons have seen a weak club fold late season and end up a way adrift even if some bigger names have struggled and given them hope for a time.

With the playoffs being near impossible for Saracens the title seems to be between Exeter and Northampton, other two playoff spots being wide open. If Northampton dont progress in Europe that coupled with less players being subjected tonthe rigours of the 6 nations might just leave them fresher at season end to take the title.

It may be a bit of a stretch................................ the frustrating part was they didn't score after Chiefs went down to 13 and maybe pick up the LBP as well.

You got that right - any team that can't take advantage of a two man advantage for that period of time during a match is going to struggle over the course of a season.

It might have already been said, but LI are always being 'robbed' by the referee according to their supporters.

Actually I 'mis-spoke' - they did score a try after the 2nd yellow to get the TBP and had about 8 minutes with a 2 man advantage so it was disappointing they didn't score again.  Wasps actually had a bigger advantage in their match and ended up conceding a try to lose the match with a longer advantage after a red and a yellow.  I don't think you can look at one match and draw those sorts of conclusions as the team on other days will be quite different depending on injuries and some new players yet to start.  Who knows, Tigers could have another slump during the 6N - LI managed to beat them easily without the benefit of any cards - so as I said you can't take one match and extrapolate that to the whole season.  Not saying you're wrong about LI being favourites for the drop but I don't think you can look at one period of one match and draw any major conclusions from it, after all they did score 3 tries against Chiefs who are normally very good in defence when they still had 15 on the pitch and Chiefs got the 2 yellows for deliberate knock-ons in try scoring positions, so maybe if they hadn't offended LI would still have got the TBP without the benefit of any cards.

All ifs, buts and maybes.....

LI might have scored 4 tries, but lets be honest, Chiefs had already mullered them by then, gone down to 13 men and still posted a sizeable winning margin.....

I didn't say they were favourites for the drop (somebody else did I think) - I said they were going to struggle - and it looks like they already are.

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Post by Heaf on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 2:48 pm

I said myself it was a lot of ifs buts and maybes ... and to be honest they were always going to struggle - most sides do when they come up from the championship - and whilst they can put out a pretty strong match day squad if everyone is available they don't have the depth needed to cope with lots of injuries - which is what we're seeing at the moment.  That plus some shocking discipline leading to lots of cards.

But I still think you're putting too much emphasis on the Chiefs match.  Wasps for example lost by twice that margin against Chiefs.  Worcester only scored one try against LI when they were down to 14 for about 50 minutes and 13 for 10.  Bristol only managed a draw at home against LI when they were playing the entire 2nd half with 14 men.  Tigers lost by 25 to LI, 8 more than the margin LI lost to Chief by.

LI are struggling for sure at the moment with players missing through injuries, suspensions, paternity leave etc, but so are other teams IMO and as I said a lot will be down to luck with injuries and being able to get some stability in selections from week to week.  And this is where the big risk for LI is as I don't think they have the depth other teams have to cope with losing key players - if they can get most of their best players available for the 6N period it could be their best chance to pick up points and avoid the drop - assuming there is still a drop this season as there seem to be more rumours floating around about ring fencing, although that may be wishful thinking.

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