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Post by beninho on Wed 06 Nov 2019, 9:08 am

First topic message reminder :

Davie wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:https://officiating.worldrugby.org/?module=3&section=36&subsection=129&language=en

"It is not mandatory for the team receiving the challenge to face it."



How many effing times. If they don't face it up silently and respectfully they get massive media criticism.

No they don't!

This is getting crazy!

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Post by JAS on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 12:11 pm

Sugar per se may well not be but excess refined sugar as opposed to naturally available fructose in fruit etc? But I suppose the key word in the above sentence is “excess” Obviously excess simple sugar will cause a blood sugar spike then crash, not great if repeated frequently.
Yes fructose is also a simple sugar so high glycaemic index fruits are not much better than cake in terms of sugar rush.
Your brain is of course highly dependent on blood glucose which can come from a variety of sources including refined sugar. Anyhoo, I still think the appointment and advice didn’t serve it’s intended purpose. For a cash strapped organisation I’d question the value of highly paid dieticians telling kids to eat more cake.

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Post by McLaren on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 12:26 pm

The thing that makes paying a dietician a waste is ludites refusing to accept science based medical advice.

Sorry Jas but you're acting with incredulity here rather than sense.
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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 12:31 pm

JAS wrote:Sugar per se may well not be but excess refined sugar as opposed to naturally available fructose in fruit etc?  But I suppose the key word in the above sentence is “excess”  Obviously excess simple sugar will cause a blood sugar spike then crash, not great if repeated frequently.
Yes fructose is also a simple sugar so high glycaemic index fruits are not much better than cake in terms of sugar rush.
Your brain is of course highly dependent on blood glucose which can come from a variety of sources including refined sugar.  Anyhoo, I still think the appointment and advice didn’t serve it’s intended purpose. For a cash strapped organisation I’d question the value of highly paid dieticians telling kids to eat more cake.

Why bother with the dietician at all as you obviously know better?

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Post by superflyweight on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 12:42 pm

super_realist wrote:But don't you know its always someone else's fault Navy? If you're fat, it's not your fault. It's the food companies and the government.  laughing

I wonder how much muscle/skeletal issues are being stored up through bad posture from using devices. Going to be a lot of hunchbacks around in 25 years.  

Could be a boon for bell-ringing though.

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Post by JAS on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 1:28 pm

McLaren wrote:The thing that makes paying a dietician a waste is ludites refusing to accept science based medical advice.

Sorry Jas but you're acting with incredulity here rather than sense.

...and the bit of science that you’re specifically referring to is?

Are you actually saying that my daughter (not me - the original post was about my grandchild, I’m a mere observer here) would be more sensible to drop fruit as a snack and have cake instead?
Maybe I’ve confused people the way I’ve relayed the story

Referred to dietician because of soft poo and a potential iron deficiency.
By the time dietician appointment came round, things like lactose intolerance and coeliac had been ruled out.
Rather than focus on potential iron deficiency (which hasn’t been rechecked) dietician chose to focus on weight (growth wise she’s around 20th percentile so 80% of her peers are bigger than her, she’s been on that same percentile pretty much since birth - some kids are larger than others -shock) but dietician somehow decided that it’s time she put on weight and the way to do it is to eat more cake.

My daughter thought the dietician was off the mark, when she relayed the story to me I agreed (I don’t usually agree with her on lots of things)

Sounds like I’m taking ridicule here for being incredulous, well ok guilty!! Christ when people take responsibility to do their own research god forbid they come up with the idea that so called expert opinion may not be what it’s cracked up to be.




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Post by super_realist on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 1:29 pm

Mac, you're even a luddite on luddites. There are two 'd' s"

JAS. I would very much doubt that dieticians are "highly paid"

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Post by McLaren on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 1:50 pm

People are sick of experts. Or whatever Gove said.
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Post by JAS on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 2:21 pm

Speaking of dietary stuff as I think I might have mentioned before I am having a pop at Plant Based after watching the docufilm “The Game Changers” at the back end of last year. Thought I’d struggle with it as I do like most meat poultry & fish. 3 weeks in now and it’s going well, the meat envy is already subsiding, have dropped half a stone and am full of energy in the gym. Making an exception for Burns night tomorrow and having some haggis after that I’ll have a think about maybe continuing into Feb.

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Post by Roller_Coaster on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 2:38 pm

How's it going nutritionally JAS - do you monitor or are you just eating plant based stuff?

It's intriguing but I really can't stand vegangelicals, which they mostly seem to be to me...

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Post by super_realist on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 2:50 pm

JAS wrote:Speaking of dietary stuff as I think I might have mentioned before I am having a pop at Plant Based after watching the docufilm “The Game Changers” at the back end of last year. Thought I’d struggle with it as I do like most meat poultry & fish. 3 weeks in now and it’s going well, the meat envy is already subsiding, have dropped half a stone and am full of energy in the gym. Making an exception for Burns night tomorrow and having some haggis after that I’ll have a think about maybe continuing into Feb.

I had to go the opposite. Marathon training was making big demands on my recovery ability so I've gone back to eating meat.

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Post by Roller_Coaster on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 2:51 pm

loads of fruit = sloppy poo.

sounds relatively normal.

Have some cake instead of just fruit.

sounds fairly logical, if simply achieving weight gain is the purpose.

I'm not sold on dieticians or nutritionists, beyond the relatively simple pyramid of eat loads of fruit and veg, less starch, less meat (and equivalent) less dairy, let sugary fatty sh*te.

Most people (and I'm a bit in super's camp here, but perhaps not as clearly cut...) just need a smidge of education, proper cooking lessons at school that aren't just cakes and sausage rolls and some semblance of a sense of balance (even if it's 5 home cooked meals and 2 buy in ones a week, rather than buying prepared (ie take away, meals out or "ping" teas).

Now - where's me crisps and pint...


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Post by Roller_Coaster on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 2:52 pm

Roller_Coaster wrote:loads of fruit = sloppy poo.

sounds relatively normal.

Have some cake instead of just fruit.

sounds fairly logical, if simply achieving weight gain is the purpose.

I'm not sold on dieticians or nutritionists, beyond the relatively simple pyramid of eat loads of fruit and veg, less starch, less meat (and equivalent) less dairy, let sugary fatty sh*te.

Most people (and I'm a bit in super's camp here, but perhaps not as clearly cut...) just need a smidge of education, proper cooking lessons at school that aren't just cakes and sausage rolls and some semblance of a sense of balance (even if it's 5 home cooked meals and 2 buy in ones a week, rather than buying prepared (ie take away, meals out or "ping" teas).

Now - where's me crisps and pint...


Oh - and doing some exercise.

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Post by McLaren on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 3:43 pm

Roller a dietician is an accredited position, a nutritionist is a charletton.
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Post by super_realist on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 4:10 pm

McLaren wrote:Roller a dietician is an accredited position, a nutritionist is a charletton.

How is it possible to have such a poor grasp of spelling Mac?
You should be working for The Graudian.

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Post by JAS on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 4:15 pm

Roller_Coaster wrote:How's it going nutritionally JAS - do you monitor or are you just eating plant based stuff?

It's intriguing but I really can't stand vegangelicals, which they mostly seem to be to me...

To be honest roller that’s what put me off it for years, silly reason not to try really but equally, trying it after watching a docufilm some would say is equally silly.

The odd thing is my big weakness was crisps & even sweets (and wine) and was a crave. While I’ve kept my meals plant based I’ve also armed myself with a stash of nuts and seeds which I nibble at at signs of cravings and that seems to dampen them. Not calorie counting or anything like that.

Intrigued by Supers tack back to meat, the whole message in the game changers is that plant based nutrition delivers better, having said that I’ve also run marathons and in your prep it’s important to be doing what you believe in, you’re building mental resilience as well as physical endurance.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 4:22 pm

JAS wrote:
Roller_Coaster wrote:How's it going nutritionally JAS - do you monitor or are you just eating plant based stuff?

It's intriguing but I really can't stand vegangelicals, which they mostly seem to be to me...

To be honest roller that’s what put me off it for years, silly reason not to try really but equally, trying it after watching a docufilm some would say is equally silly.

The odd thing is my big weakness was crisps & even sweets (and wine) and was a crave. While I’ve kept my meals  plant based  I’ve also armed myself with a stash of nuts and seeds which I nibble at at signs of cravings and that seems to dampen them. Not calorie counting or anything like that.

Intrigued by Supers tack back to meat, the whole message in the game changers is that plant based nutrition delivers better, having said that I’ve also run marathons and in your prep it’s important to be doing what you believe in, you’re building mental resilience as well as physical endurance.

JAS, it was mostly because I wasn't really getting in the protein required because my diet simply wasn't diverse enough. Basically  I hadn't really upped food  intake because I'm not that interested in food despite doing 70-80km a week, so it's no surprise I began to overreach and hinder my training.

Fortunately I have an annual health check through work and they picked up I was deficient. Once I've got my levels up and I'm recovering better and more quickly I'll probably research some other sources, but chopping up some chicken or fish is a convenient way to supplement my diet and if its pissing off a few of the vegan Gestapo then all the better.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 5:09 pm

JAS wrote:Sugar per se may well not be but excess refined sugar as opposed to naturally available fructose in fruit etc?  But I suppose the key word in the above sentence is “excess”  Obviously excess simple sugar will cause a blood sugar spike then crash, not great if repeated frequently.
Yes fructose is also a simple sugar so high glycaemic index fruits are not much better than cake in terms of sugar rush.
Your brain is of course highly dependent on blood glucose which can come from a variety of sources including refined sugar.  Anyhoo, I still think the appointment and advice didn’t serve it’s intended purpose. For a cash strapped organisation I’d question the value of highly paid dieticians telling kids to eat more cake.
Fructose is bad re. atherosclerosis and NAFLD I think - by-passes some of the regulatory steps that glucose can't etc. Despite that, people think honey's really healthy. It is, but it has a lot of fructose in it. Fruit isn't going to be an issue, but a lot of high fructose corn syrup added to things might be.
If one isn't diabetic, glucose elevation and then return to base via insulin isn't a problem. We evolved to deal with that. 'Normal' individuals don't get a significant sugar rush or "low sugar".

Anyway, none of this changes the idea that a balanced diet, with some of everything, is the way to go. In addition, some of what you fancy (cake, chocolate, booze, cream, butter, cheese, burgers, fried meat, fizzy drinks etc) and that we seem to now consider as "unhealthy" is no problem at all in moderation.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 5:14 pm

JAS wrote:
McLaren wrote:The thing that makes paying a dietician a waste is ludites refusing to accept science based medical advice.

Sorry Jas but you're acting with incredulity here rather than sense.

...and the bit of science that you’re specifically referring to is?

Are you actually saying that my daughter (not me - the original post was about my grandchild, I’m a mere observer here)  would be more sensible to drop fruit as a snack and have cake instead?
Maybe I’ve confused people the way I’ve relayed the story

Referred to dietician because of soft poo and a potential iron deficiency.
By the time dietician appointment came round, things like lactose intolerance and coeliac had been ruled out.
Rather than focus on potential iron deficiency (which hasn’t been rechecked) dietician chose to focus on weight (growth wise she’s around 20th percentile so 80% of her peers are bigger than her, she’s been on that same percentile pretty much since birth - some kids are larger than others -shock) but dietician somehow decided that it’s time she put on weight and the way to do it is to eat more cake.

My daughter thought the dietician was off the mark, when she relayed the story to me I agreed (I don’t usually agree with her on lots of things)

Sounds like I’m taking ridicule here for being incredulous, well ok guilty!! Christ when people take responsibility to do their own research god forbid they come up with the idea that so called expert opinion may not be what it’s cracked up to be.


Did she Dietician say drop food and replace w/ cake? Or maybe include some cake?
TBF, eating cake is likely to make one put on weight, wouldn't you agree?
Wouldn't worry about it - sounds like she's a normal girl and mum's doing what mums should.

Agree re. kids varying hugely. Too many like a one-size-fits-all approach re. weight, height, educational attainment cf. age group etc etc.

All I would say is, be careful re. your research on the food/diet industry. There's a lot, and I mean a lot, of bunkum.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 5:23 pm

JAS wrote:
Roller_Coaster wrote:How's it going nutritionally JAS - do you monitor or are you just eating plant based stuff?

It's intriguing but I really can't stand vegangelicals, which they mostly seem to be to me...

To be honest roller that’s what put me off it for years, silly reason not to try really but equally, trying it after watching a docufilm some would say is equally silly.

The odd thing is my big weakness was crisps & even sweets (and wine) and was a crave. While I’ve kept my meals  plant based  I’ve also armed myself with a stash of nuts and seeds which I nibble at at signs of cravings and that seems to dampen them. Not calorie counting or anything like that.

Intrigued by Supers tack back to meat, the whole message in the game changers is that plant based nutrition delivers better, having said that I’ve also run marathons and in your prep it’s important to be doing what you believe in, you’re building mental resilience as well as physical endurance.
Are you supplementing at all? Creatine is meat-only I'm afraid. Iron, B12, taurine and few others (D3?) are absent/low if avoiding meat/dairy/fish.

Incidentally, are you following any particular regimen?
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Post by dynamark on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 6:03 pm

Back to tennis I'm not seeing any public courts local at all.Need to join a club.
On the diet I'm all over this .Couple of years ago told I'm Coeliacs(which is allegedly a disease not an allergy) after a cancer scare big lump in abdomen which hasn't gone away.So hit the diet and no issues not missed bread,cake or pizza have to be a bit careful what you purchase and diet probably a bit bland but I am on the loo 8 am every day feel well .the gluten is not great for digestion and I m really please with this diet can see why its got some traction

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 6:36 pm

dynamark wrote:Back to tennis I'm not seeing any public courts local at all.Need to join a club.
On the diet I'm all over this .Couple of years ago told I'm Coeliacs(which is allegedly a disease not an allergy) after a cancer scare big lump in abdomen which hasn't gone away.So hit the diet and no issues not missed bread,cake or pizza have to be a bit careful what you purchase and diet probably a bit bland but I am on the loo 8 am every day feel well .the gluten is not great for digestion and I m really please with this diet can see why its got some traction

So despite it being fact that there are free to use tennis courts throughout the country you're continuing to deny it?

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Post by dynamark on Sat 25 Jan 2020, 12:10 pm

Soul I don't play tennis ( my daughter does)or much golf anymore but I can only speak for where I am and very little public and not free provision for tennis.Couple of very good clubs at very reasonable cost which do give the benefits of coaching matches and a social element plus a couple of courts under a tent .Thats where I would be looking to play at a very reasonable cost.
Golf now is a gift frankly went past a local club yesterday and a weekday membership big sign first years £325 - £6 a week and its a very good course

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Post by I'm never wrong on Sun 26 Jan 2020, 6:35 pm

Can the Shrews survive? Salah necessary.

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Post by I'm never wrong on Sun 26 Jan 2020, 7:05 pm

Get in. Replay at Anfield. Did what a number of clubs haven't done and draw with Liverpool (seconds)

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 26 Jan 2020, 8:02 pm

Inw,
Am I right in thinking the last survivor from each division receives a bonus?
Northampton look to have it sewn up for Div 2, but your lot, my lot & Oxford seem to be vying for the Div 1 pay-out.

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Post by I'm never wrong on Sun 26 Jan 2020, 8:18 pm

Oooh I didn't know about that Kwini. They mentioned on the TV that the replay was worth £1 million to Shrewsbury. The club has no debt so that's all good.

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Post by McLaren on Sun 26 Jan 2020, 9:02 pm

Mind blowing that it ended 2-2. I watched the first 30 minutes and turned off because the Shrews were just terrible, it seemed like a waste of time watching it. Passes straight into touch, failed skills, no first touch and just camped on the edge of their own box.

Well done for turning it around.
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Post by McLaren on Sun 26 Jan 2020, 9:11 pm

To be honest I am looking forward to Supers take on Kobe Bryant. It should be good. Erm
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Post by I'm never wrong on Sun 26 Jan 2020, 9:23 pm

Just shows you how two people see it differs. The manager said he had a plan, and I am going to guess it was to pump balls behind Liverpool’s high press. Didn’t work for a long time. But something worked in the end. But I’m no football expert so I am willing to be corrected.

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Post by McLaren on Sun 26 Jan 2020, 9:28 pm

INW

I didn't see past the 30th minute. Although maybe the one on one that Adrián saved was more indicative of things to come rather than some sloppy technical play from Shrewsbury. I see Klopp is calling the reply a winter break and that the youth players and reserve coach will be there and not the first team.
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Post by pedro on Sun 26 Jan 2020, 11:56 pm

McLaren wrote:To be honest I am looking forward to Supers take on Kobe Bryant. It should be good. Erm
A bit too early for sky hook and slam dunk jokes I guess...

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Post by McLaren on Sun 26 Jan 2020, 11:59 pm

Nike won't be releasing air kobes now.
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Post by pedro on Mon 27 Jan 2020, 12:15 am

McLaren wrote:Nike won't be releasing air kobes now.
They probably took a helicopter view of the situation and opted against it.

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Post by beninho on Mon 27 Jan 2020, 7:01 am

Kobe Bryant was one of those sportsmen you knew of, even if you didn't watch or follow basketball. One of the biggest names in sport. It's a tragedy, and it horrible that his daughter died aswell,along with the 3 others.

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Post by super_realist on Mon 27 Jan 2020, 8:01 am

McLaren wrote:To be honest I am looking forward to Supers take on Kobe Bryant. It should be good. Erm

I couldn't care less Mac, just as I didn't care when Matthew Harding or Colin McRae died in helicopter accidents.
I have been in helicopters before and they and they are pretty sketchy things. If I was wealthy enough to use them more frequently, I don't think I would.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 27 Jan 2020, 2:04 pm

I used to use the (now apparently long ago discontinued) BA shuttle between LHR & LGW - loved it! Especially compared with the alternative.
But I agree with super too.

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Post by McLaren on Mon 27 Jan 2020, 2:44 pm

Super is a helicopter truther.
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Post by dynamark on Mon 27 Jan 2020, 3:22 pm

Oi you lot we lost the chairman of our footy club and 4 others basically due to the failure of a pin linkage of his helicopter. But agreed Id be very nervous of the things .Planes yes copters no thanks
Good effort from Shrewsbury and they will face the Liverpool youth team so every chance of nest round.Going to the Villa tomorrow should be a great night both teams need to have a go

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Post by pedro on Mon 27 Jan 2020, 7:59 pm

Lowry honouring Bryant by having a large kobe burger.

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Post by dynamark on Mon 27 Jan 2020, 8:26 pm

Kobe beef isn't that a real thing.Not familiar with the gent but Basketball is a great spectator sport in that there is a score every few seconds and always a result .
Lowry has done very well to say the least in view of the stick he gets.Good lad

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Post by westisbest on Mon 27 Jan 2020, 9:21 pm

dynamark wrote:Oi you lot   we lost the chairman of our footy club and 4 others basically due to the failure  of  a pin linkage of his helicopter. But agreed Id be very nervous of the things .Planes yes copters no thanks
Good effort from Shrewsbury and they will face the Liverpool youth team so every chance of nest round.Going to the Villa tomorrow should be a great night both teams need to have a go

Heading up myself dyna.

Hopefully villa progress to Wembley and 3 points against Bournemouth. Make for a good week.

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