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Post by RDW on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 12:04 pm

Edinburgh Rugby team to face Wasps in the Challenge Cup


BT Murrayfield on Friday 6 December (kick-off 7.35pm)



15. Blair Kinghorn (82)


14. Darcy Graham (24)

13. James Johnstone (43)

12. George Taylor (12)

11. Duhan van der Merwe (48)


10. Simon Hickey (25)

9. Henry Pyrgos (29)


1. Pierre Schoeman (31)

2. Stuart McInally (138) CAPTAIN

3. Simon Berghan (70)

4. Ben Toolis (113)

5. Grant Gilchrist (141)

6. Jamie Ritchie (64)

7. Hamish Watson (101)

8. Nick Haining (5)


Replacements: 16. Michael Willemse (8) 17. Jamie Bhatti (7) 18. Pietro Ceccarelli (18) 19. Sam Thomson (4) 20. Viliame Mata (63) 21. Nic Groom (4) 22. Jaco van der Walt (46) 23. Damien Hoyland (68)
Unavailable: David Cherry, John Barclay, Eroni Sau, Luke Crosbie, Rory Darge, WP Nel, Matt Scott, Chris Dean, Fraser McKenzie, Lewis Carmichael

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Post by RDW on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 12:04 pm

Scotland star Darcy Graham returns from injury to make his first appearance of the season as Edinburgh Rugby make seven changes for tomorrow night’s Challenge Cup match against Wasps at BT Murrayfield (Friday 6 December, kick-off 7.35pm).


Graham – who makes his first start for the club since April in the place of injured Eroni Sau – is named in a reshuffled backline which sees centres George Taylor and James Johnstone get the nod in midfield, with Simon Hickey selected at stand-off.
In the pack, Jamie Ritchie and Nick Haining return from injury and suspension respectively to start in the back-row as Scotland international Simon Berghan is named at tighthead prop.



Ahead of the match, Head Coach Richard Cockerill, said: “It’s going to be a great battle. Wasps are a good team, but we know that if we put our best game on the field, we’ll more than compete with them.

"However, if we’re sloppy and inaccurate then they will punish us. They’ve got an All Black in the centre, they’ve got an All Black at 10 and they’ve got Jimmy Gopperth, a former All Black playing at 12 - so they’ve got some real quality there.


“We will need to be on it, but we’re excited to get back in front of our home support at BT Murrayfield.”


The inclusion of Graham on the wing is the only alteration to an otherwise unchanged back-three as Kinghorn – a try-scorer in each of his last two home games – and Duhan van der Merwe retain their places in the starting XV.


An all-new centre pairing sees Taylor – selected in the place of the injured Matt Scott – and Johnstone rotate into midfield, with scrum-half Henry Pyrgos and stand-off Hickey named at half-back.


Scotland hooker Stuart McInally returns as captain and packs down alongside props Pierre Schoeman – who this week signed a new long-term deal with the club – and Berghan in the front row.


Club centurions Grant Gilchrist and Ben Toolis once again form an experienced second-row pairing, as a back-row trio of Ritchie, Hamish Watson and Haining complete the pack.


Elsewhere, Scrum-half Nic Groom – named among the replacements - is once again fit and in involved will make his first appearance in over a month.

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Post by RDW on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 12:06 pm

Strong Edinburgh team again - hopefully see a bit more fluency than last week's rubbish performance.

Good to see Graham back and I like the look of that midfield. Cockers continues to rotate which is good to see. That back row has plenty power, aggresion and skill - great opportunity for Hanning.

I can't imagine Wasps overly care about this game so I we should have enough to win, then put out a mixed team next week in advance of the 1872 double header.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 12:23 pm

15. Rob Miller, 14. Zach Kibirige, 13. Malakai Fekitoa, 12. Michael Le Bourgeois, 11. Josh Bassett, 10. Lima Sopoaga, 9. Dan Robson (c), 1. Zurabi Zhvania, 2. Tommy Taylor, 3. Kieran Brookes, 4. Theo Vukasinovic, 5. Tim Cardall, 6. Jack Willis, 7. Nizaam Carr, 8. Sione Vailanu.

Replacements:
16. Tom Cruse, 17. Tom West, 18. Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, 19. Brad Shields, 20. Thomas Young, 21. Ashley Johnson, 22. Will Porter, 23. Jimmy Gopperth,

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 12:24 pm

Edinburgh should win at a canter, with Wasps injury and form woes.

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Post by RDW on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 12:25 pm

Pretty strong from Wasps actually. We don't have two former All Blacks!

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 12:30 pm

About as strong as Dai Young was able to name, but I expect the lineout to be an absolute shambles with 5 locks missing injured.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 1:48 pm

The big news for us is having Groom back and on the bench. Once he's back up to speed we can bin Henry and get back to having Groom starting with Shiel on the bench. And just in time to ruin the weegie fans Christmas too Wink

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 1:53 pm

Sheesh, never thought anyone would rest their hopes on Nic Groom.

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Post by RDW on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 2:07 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Sheesh, never thought anyone would rest their hopes on Nic Groom.
Such is our frustration with Pyrgos.

Groom fits the Edinburgh style well - it's a shame he's been injured the last month.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 3:18 pm

Edinburgh should sign that Wasps 12. Great name, and it would give Jimbo some much needed new material.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 3:21 pm

Pyrgos the undroppable continues!!

Decent side. Taylor at 12 is good, and we know that Johnstone is a difficult player for oppositions to deal with. Pleased to see Graham back, although Hoyland perhaps unlucky not to get a start. Kinghorn was good against Munster though, and Duhan is awesome.

Close to first choice pack. Mata probably needs a rest.

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Post by BigGee on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 4:18 pm

Say it quietly, Big Bill has not really been on great form since coming back from Japan. I would say Hainning is being picked over Mata on form!

Still plenty of season left to find his legs again, they ran him into the ground last year, so hopefully he will last the whole way this time.

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Post by RDW on Thu 05 Dec 2019, 4:31 pm

BigGee wrote:Say it quietly, Big Bill has not really been on great form since coming back from Japan. I would say Hainning is being picked over Mata on form!

Still plenty of season left to find his legs again, they ran him into the ground last year, so hopefully he will last the whole way this time.
I would agree!

To be fair he's only played twice since he came back - he'll need time.

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Post by tigertattie on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 8:08 pm

Can’t find the siding stream. All I’m getting is a gif
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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 8:23 pm

Not sure if Agen are in your group, but they're currently being slaughtered by BB.

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Post by tigertattie on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 8:33 pm

yeah Edinburgh scraped a draw against them two weeks ago BB ain’t a shabby outfit right now
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Post by tigertattie on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 8:40 pm

Kinghorn just burned half the wasps team there
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Post by tigertattie on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 8:45 pm

VdM mk2 is just a unit.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 8:49 pm

Quite a dominant display by Edinburgh.

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Post by tigertattie on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 8:52 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Quite a dominant display by Edinburgh.

Apart from the standard utter brain fart from Shoeman. He’s just too hot headed
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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 9:09 pm

Pretty awesome challenge from AJ, but also illegal.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 9:10 pm

Good score, a result of winning collisions and patience.

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Post by tigertattie on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 9:15 pm

Johnson (wasps) needs taken off before he kills someone. He’s flew off his feet three times the last three mins and twice he’s gone bundling into a ruck without arms. Utterly dangerous play
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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 9:27 pm

Thumping bonus point win - congrats Edinburgh.
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Post by RDW on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 10:27 pm

Sounds like a good Edinburgh win! Who were the standouts?

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 10:41 pm

VDM, Schoeman, Kinghorn and both starting locks, from what I saw anyway.

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Post by TJ on Fri 06 Dec 2019, 11:11 pm

I found a feed that was single camera and ref mike and ambient. Really enjoyed being able to hear what was said without inane commentators

Edinburgh dominated up front and the backs used the platform well. Edinburgh made good ground with mauls and smashed 'em in the scrums. tidy game from Hickey. VDM was an menace and Darcy Graham looked sharp Watson everywhere being a bloody nuisance

Good defensively as well - Both with the forwards and in the backs

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Sat 07 Dec 2019, 12:45 pm

The media are giving a big thumbs up to George Taylor at 12. Done little wrong this season, and brings huge physical intensity to the centres and real go forward. A great new option to have.

Sounds like Kinghorn had another strong game as well. When can we start admitting that on form he is ahead of Hogg....

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Post by RDW on Sat 07 Dec 2019, 12:59 pm

I just said the same thing about Kinghorn on the Scotland thread!

Big decision to make for Cockers whether to bring Matt Scott back.

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Post by BigGee on Sat 07 Dec 2019, 1:53 pm

I think he will keep rotating and giving Taylor the opportunities he needs, he is still pretty inexperienced at the end of the day but looks like the coming man.

As physicsl as Scott but with better hands you would have to say.

Could be an outside bet for summer tour!

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Post by Rinsure on Mon 09 Dec 2019, 10:35 am

Didn't see the game, chaps, but well done to Edinburgh.

Not at all confident about the return leg at the Ricoh, either!

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Post by RDW on Mon 09 Dec 2019, 10:37 am

Rinsure wrote:Didn't see the game, chaps, but well done to Edinburgh.

Not at all confident about the return leg at the Ricoh, either!
Do you think Wasps will care much about it?

You could really do with a win, but I suspect the focus will be on the return to league business after!

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Post by Rinsure on Mon 09 Dec 2019, 10:49 am

There's an argument either way.

We could try and build some momentum at home, and field a strong (hah) side, or - as you suggest - rest players in advance of the visit of Harlequins the following week.

Given form, league and pool positions, a win at home has to be a priority. The fans are frustrated and becoming disaffected and disillusioned, and being rolled at home yet again will only add to the feeling.

That said, no idea which way we'll go.

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Post by RDW on Mon 09 Dec 2019, 10:50 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhm9EXtRk7o&feature=em-uploademail

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Post by tigertattie on Mon 09 Dec 2019, 10:51 am

James haskell is finished with the Jungle, could he be slotted back in at 6?
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Post by Rinsure on Mon 09 Dec 2019, 10:52 am

RDW wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhm9EXtRk7o&feature=em-uploademail

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Ta. I'll check 'em out in a bit.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 10 Dec 2019, 1:53 pm

RDW wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhm9EXtRk7o&feature=em-uploademail

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Great pace from Kinghorn and VDM. Add in Graham and we really do have gas. Just need the inside backs to learn how to best use them.

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Post by bsando on Tue 10 Dec 2019, 2:28 pm

I think Bennet is adding an extra dimension to Edinburgh's backline since his return, he reads the game very well. angel

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Post by RDW on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:05 pm

Round 2


​Club centurion an Scotland international prop WP Nel returns from injury to make his first appearance of the season as Edinburgh Rugby make nine changes for tomorrow’s Challenge Cup round-four match against Wasps at the Ricoh Arena (Saturday 14 December, kick-off 3pm)
Six of those changes come in the pack as Head Coach Richard Cockerill names a revamped tight-five for the match-up with the English Premiership side.
Props Rory Sutherland and Nel, hooker Michael Willemse, and locks Sam Thomson and Lewis Carmichael all get the nod, while Fijian No. 8 Viliame Mata is reinstated into the starting line-up.
In the backline, scrum-half Nic Groom – named captain – makes his first start in over a month, as winger Jamie Farndale and fullback Damien Hoyland are both selected in a rotated back-three.

Ahead of the fixture, Head Coach Richard Cockerill, said: “We’ve made a number of changes to the starting line-up, but we travel to Wasps with a really strong squad, with plenty of experience in key positions.
“WP comes back from injury to make his first appearance of the season, and his knowledge and understanding at tighthead will be vital. The same for Nic [Groom] at scrum-half who captains the side – his leadership is really important.
“We were obviously happy with large parts of our play in the win over Wasps last Friday night, but we know that they’ll be a different beast at home, and we’re ready for that.
“We’ve enjoyed a good week of training and we’re excited for the challenge of going on the road and facing an extremely talented Wasps outfit.”
A new-look back-three sees Scotland star Darcy Graham retain his place on the flank as Farndale and Hoyland are named at wing and fullback respectively.
Centres George Taylor – a try-scorer against Wasps last weekend – and James Johnstone both keep their place in the starting line-up, while stand-off Simon Hickey joins Groom at half-back after contributing 11 points with his boot last Friday night.
An all-new tight-five sees Willemse pack down alongside Sutherland and Nel in the front-row, with Carmichael and Thomson both named at lock.
The inclusion Mata at No.8 is the only alteration to an otherwise unchanged back-row as Scotland stars Hamish Watson and Jamie Ritchie complete the pack.


Edinburgh Rugby team to face Wasps at the Ricoh Arena in the Challenge Cup


Saturday 14 December (kick-off 3pm)



15. Damien Hoyland (69)


14. Darcy Graham (25)

13. James Johnstone (44)

12. George Taylor (13)

11. Jamie Farndale (6)


10. Simon Hickey (26)

9. Nic Groom (5) CAPTAIN


1. Rory Sutherland (78)

2. Michael Willemse (9)

3. WP Nel (134)

4. Sam Thomson (5)

5. Lewis Carmichael (38)

6. Jamie Ritchie (65)

7. Hamish Watson (102)

8. Viliame Mata (64)
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Replacements: 16. Stuart McInally (139) 17. Jamie Bhatti (8) 18. Simon Berghan (71) 19. Ben Toolis (114) 20. Magnus Bradbury (70) 21. Charlie Shiel (12) 22. Jaco van der Walt (46) 23. Mark Bennett (28)
Unavailable: Eroni Sau, Cameron Fenton, John Barclay, Rory Darge, Luke Crosbie, Matt Scott, Chris Dean, Fraser McKenzie[/size]

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:07 pm

FFS Boss, we are not all blind as a bat.

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:09 pm

Wasps (First-team appearances)

15 Matteo Minozzi (4)
14 Marcus Watson (37)
13 Malakai Fekitoa (7)
12 Jimmy Gopperth (85)
11 Josh Bassett (111)
10 Lima Sopoaga (33)
9 Will Porter (14)
1 Ben Harris (52)
2 Tommy Taylor (56)
3 Jeff Toomaga-Allen (8)
4 Tim Cardall (10)
5 Charlie Matthews (20)
6 Ashley Johnson (195)
7 Thomas Young (105)
8 Nizaam Carr (46)

Replacements
16 Gabriel Oghre (12)
17 Tom West (15)
18 Biyi Alo (3)
19 Theo Vukasinovic (3)
20 Ben Morris (22)
21 Sam Wolstenholme (6)
22 Jacob Umaga (14)
23 Juan de Jongh (54)

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Post by RDW on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:11 pm

It was a lazy copy and paste from the ER website LT!

That's a strong Wasps team and Edinburgh have done a lot of rotating. There are still some strong units in the Edinburgh team but if Wasps can't beat that team at home then they really are in trouble!

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:13 pm

I suspect Edinburgh will win this.

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Post by RDW on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:15 pm

It's a fully loaded Edinburgh bench so if we're in with a shout with 20 to go I think we'll get the win too.

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Post by EWT Spoons on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 1:12 pm

Happy to see the rotation, it's a strong looking pack and the backs aren't bad either. Not saying that'll mean anything, but it's just nice looking at a team with that amount of rotation and not being 100% certain it'll be a total horsing. Small victories.

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Post by Rinsure on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 1:15 pm

Yeah, not a full strength Wasps side, but a pretty strong one. Missing Robson and Willis, notably; not injured, so rested I presume.

It's at home, we're putting out a good side - and yet I have zero confidence in us.


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Post by RDW on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 1:22 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:Happy to see the rotation, it's a strong looking pack and the backs aren't bad either.  Not saying that'll mean anything, but it's just nice looking at a team with that amount of rotation and not being 100% certain it'll be a total horsing. Small victories.

Agreed - it's refreshing that squad rotation doesn't fill us with dread!

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Post by Tramptastic on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 2:05 pm

After moaning about the lack of opportunities for Scottish Looseheads its good to see one starting and one on the bench - Sutherland really needs to take this opportunity, i think he's a better scrummager than Bhatti so if he can do well here he'll get a more even split of time with Schooie!

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Post by RDW on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 2:18 pm

I really rate Sutherland but he doesn't seem to get much of a chance.

He could make a late push for the 6N if he can get some games.

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