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Post by JoshSansom on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 7:34 pm

I fancied giving a really early guess at the WM card to check back on come April and see how definitely right I was on every point king

Pre Show WM Women's Battle Royal
Pre Show Andre the Giant Battle Royal
Pre Show AOP v Viking Raiders WWE Raw Tag Team Championships
Under Card Sheamus v Shinsuke Nakamura
Under Card New Day v Miz/Morrison v Usos v Ziggler/Roode WWE SD Tag Team Championships
Under Card Bayley v Shayna Baszler WWE SD Women's Championship
Under Card Samoa Joe v AJ Styles v Aleister Black WWE United States Championship
Under Card Baron Corbin v Daniel Bryan WWE Intercontinental Championship
Under Card Andrade v Rey Mysterio (Hair v Mask)
Under Card Kabuki Warriors v Natalya/Beth WWE Women's Tag Team Championships
Under Card Seth Rollins v Kevin Owens
Main Event Randy Orton v Edge
Main Event Becky Lynch v Charlotte Flair WWE Raw Women's Championship
Main Event Fiend v Roman Reigns WWE Universal Championship
Main Event Brock Lesnar v Drew McIntyre WWE World Heavyweight Championship

Anyone else want to give it a go?

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Post by Samo on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 7:54 am

Well, I’ve heard that
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Charlotte could be challenging Rhea Ripley
which would be ace.

I’ll have a crack at a full card later on.

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Post by Luke on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 12:18 pm

Woman's battle royal
Andre the giant battle royal.
New day v miz/Morrison - Smackdown tag titkes
Braun Strouman v Seamus- intercontinental
Bayley v Shasha Banks - Smackdown woman's title
Becky lynch v Shayna Bazley - Raw women's title
Charlotte v Rea Ripley
Andrade v Dominic
Randy Orton v Edge
Seth Rollins v Kevin Owens - loser leaves raw
Fiend v Roman Reigns -universal titke
Brock Lesnar v Drew McIntyre - heavyweight title


Some form of Lana/lashley v Rusev/ Liv match.


That's 13, don't think they will do more.
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Post by Samo on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 2:49 pm

Pre-Show

Andre Battle Royal
Womens Battle Royal
New Day vs Miz/Morrison - SD Tag Titles


Main Show

Andrade vs Mysterio - US title Mask vs Hair match
Charlotte vs Rhea Ripley - NXT womens title match
Bayley vs Nia Jax - SmackDown womens title match
Becky Lynch vs Shayna Baszler - RAW womens title match
Randy Orton vs Edge
Seth Rollins vs Kevin Owens vs Samoa Joe
The Fiend vs Roman Reigns - Universal title match
Drew McIntyre vs Brock Lesnar - WWE title match

Im going through other possible matchs and when you realise how stacked WWE's roster is its surely only a matter of time before they move WrestleMania to a two night event. They could do two 4 hour shows which would be alot more palatable than a 7 hour show but would benefit the live crowd aswell. I still feel bad for Becky who had the biggest win in Womens wrestling history last year but the crowd couldnt have gave less of a Poopie because they were all knackered.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 09 Feb 2020, 3:25 pm

I enjoy how Goldberg just bloody loves wrestling in Saudi Arabia.

Lesnar vs Drew
Roman vs Bray
(Hoping for) Rey vs Andrade vs Humberto vs Garza (Garza is money - new Eddie)
Charlotte vs Rhea
Naomi vs Bayley
New Day vs Morrison/Miz vs Usos vs Heavy Machinery
Orton vs Edge
Cole vs Balor
Becky vs Shayna
Mandy/Sonya vs Iiconics vs Alexa/Nikki vs Kabuki Warriors
Braun vs I don’t care, anyone vs Braun is boring.

Jesus this thing is long, even without Rollins and the boys, Joe, KO, Sami’s crew, the battle royals, Raw tags, AJ Styles and the club. Lashley, Rusev, Ricochet, Black. Doesn’t even include a HHH nonsense or something with Taker. Haven’t found space for Bryan either.

Or Corbin.

I had never supported a two-day Mania, I think both would become less special than one, but without Takeover and with the stacked roster, it’s just a necessity.

Maybe a 3 hour lesser event and a 5 hour one.

Needs to be at a point where they build major stories but save them for Raw and Smackdown after, but chuck those people in the Battle Royals so they get their pay.

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Post by Luke on Wed 12 Feb 2020, 12:35 pm

The only issue with it being a 2 day event. Is do you then eat rid of the NXT takeover event?

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 12 Feb 2020, 1:10 pm

Is there a Takeover this year? I know they'd moved Takeovers away from the "main roster" PPV schedule

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 12 Feb 2020, 1:10 pm

Also, I see Cena is on Smackdown this Friday. Time to start setting up a match?

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Post by Samo on Wed 12 Feb 2020, 3:40 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Is there a Takeover this year? I know they'd moved Takeovers away from the "main roster" PPV schedule

Yeah. Takeover Portland is this weekend and theres Takeover Tampa 'Mania weekend.

Personally, I would bump Takeover Tampa if they're going to start incorporating NXT into the main roster shows. I wouldnt bump them altogether but I would stop booking them the same weekend as the Big 4.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu 13 Feb 2020, 1:28 am

If they were to do two-day Manias, I'd bump it. But if not, then no. It's part of the trip for a huge amount of people.

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Post by Luke on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 2:26 am

Rumours are Cena v Elias at mania.
Goldberg could be interesting, although I don't want it to happen, can actually see him winning the title in Saudi, so Roman then beats him and gets less of backlash possibly.
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Post by Beer on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 4:18 pm

Cena v Elias is a joke of a match. Wasting valuable card time for someone who deserves it.

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Post by Crimey on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 4:26 pm

I'd rather they just go full fantasy warfare and give Cena/Goldberg if he's going to be on the card. Cena only has a few Mania matches left in him, so would rather they just have fun with it. Elias is a huge waste. Being beaten by Cena has never given anybody a rub.

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Post by Beer on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 4:45 pm

Crimey wrote:I'd rather they just go full fantasy warfare and give Cena/Goldberg if he's going to be on the card. Cena only has a few Mania matches left in him, so would rather they just have fun with it. Elias is a huge waste. Being beaten by Cena has never given anybody a rub.

Unfortunately people in the WWE think otherwise and somehow think he gets the rub going over Cena. I agree, give him Goldberg. There is enough quality on the card to have one ropey match.

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Post by Samo on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 7:46 pm

I wouldnt mind Cena vs Elias but Elias has been such an afterthought recently it will take one hell of a build to make me interested.

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Post by JoshSansom on Tue 18 Feb 2020, 12:23 am

Cena/Elias is pretty meh and if true really says something for Cena's stock in the company. That record breaking title looks a long way away currently.

If the other rumour of Styles/Taker is true though it would be awesome. Would love to see Taker call him out along the lines of "Shawn made me perform at my greatest, when I look at the superstars in the locker room I see one man in the same mould who can make the Phenom Phenomenal once again"

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Post by Beer on Fri 28 Feb 2020, 9:39 am

Well.... they properly changed that up. What a waste. Of everything.

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Post by Crimey on Fri 28 Feb 2020, 11:31 am

The rumours of switching it to Reigns/Goldberg and Fiend/Cena made a lot of sense - but they put the title on the wrong feud! The Fiend/Cena would have really been elevated by the title as it would be hard to call whether Fiend would get his win back from WM30 or if they were going to pull the trigger on number 17 for Cena. We could then get a slugfest between Reigns & Goldberg.

How many coronations or attempts is Reigns going to get? If you're not over having gone through Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins et al then I'm not sure beating Goldberg is going to do anything for you. I think they're banking on Goldberg getting heat for beating The Fiend to try and get Reigns over, but it won't work, just like it didn't work when they tried using go-away heat for Lesnar against Reigns.

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Post by Beer on Fri 28 Feb 2020, 12:23 pm

Totally agree about putting the strap on the wrong man. Spent a year building up the character, and completely undo it in one night.

Personally, The Fiend didn't need the strap. He could've gone down the 'Taker route and been totally dominant in the right feuds and had token title runs.

It's anything to get Reigns over. Cena would happily have put The Fiend over, and whoever beat The Fiend after gets the huge rub from someone who has put down Goldberg and Cena.

The only potential swerve here is if Cena wins the EC and goes after Goldberg.

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Post by Samo on Fri 28 Feb 2020, 1:52 pm

Apparently WWE are looking to outsource PPV's to other companies, with ESPN getting WrestleMania, and they put the title on Goldberg because he's more marketable to the mainstream than The Fiend.

Interesting to see the reaction Goldberg gets tonight on SmackDown. Reigns vs Goldberg is going to get booed straight out the arena. If they have any sense left they'll book McIntyre vs Lesnar last and put McIntyre over.

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Post by Marky on Fri 28 Feb 2020, 3:30 pm

Samo wrote:Apparently WWE are looking to outsource PPV's to other companies, with ESPN getting WrestleMania, and they put the title on Goldberg because he's more marketable to the mainstream than The Fiend.

Is that even true? Surely The Fiend crosses more mainstream lines than a guy who used to be a wrestler in the 90's.

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Post by Beer on Fri 28 Feb 2020, 3:35 pm

He's more marketable than The Fiend, who was Bray Wyatt, who was Husky Harris.

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Post by Samo on Fri 28 Feb 2020, 4:10 pm

Marky wrote:
Samo wrote:Apparently WWE are looking to outsource PPV's to other companies, with ESPN getting WrestleMania, and they put the title on Goldberg because he's more marketable to the mainstream than The Fiend.

Is that even true? Surely The Fiend crosses more mainstream lines than a guy who used to be a wrestler in the 90's.

I suppose it depends who you ask. Ask a wrestling fan and they’ll tell you Fiend. Ask an ESPN executive and they’ll say Goldberg, probably because he’s a father, the former football player, an Icon of Ted Turners Country Wrasslin’ Hootenany, and a former Champion. All these things are marketable to atleast one demographic. Whether that translates into buys is another thing entirely.

Instead of WWE relying on what other people think its marketable they need to refocus on making what they have currently as marketable. Adam Pacitti said it best, they cant rely on nostalgia forever because in 20 years there wont be any nostalgia left because they arent making any more stars.

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Post by Luke on Sat 29 Feb 2020, 2:43 pm

Whilst I have no problems with the Fiend/Cena, Regina/Goldberg matches. And they probably are more wrestlemania matches.
The way they've set them up last night was dire. Regins getting the shot by just saying he's next rather than earning it. And Cena spending time saying he's not competing and taking the place of current roaster stars, before the fiend pointing at the sign, and him agreeing. Just stupid.
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Post by Luke on Sat 29 Feb 2020, 5:59 pm

Goldberg/Regins, Fiend/Cena, McIntyre/Lesner, Ripley/Flair - All confirmed.

Lynch/Bayzler, Orton/Edge, Undertaker/Styles, Otis/Ziggler - rumoured matches.

Rollins, Bayley, Bryan, Owens, Seamus, Banks, Evans, and others all without matches yet.

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Post by Beer on Mon 02 Mar 2020, 9:48 am

Luke wrote:Whilst I have no problems with the Fiend/Cena, Regina/Goldberg matches. And they probably are more wrestlemania matches.
The way they've set them up last night was dire. Regins getting the shot by just saying he's next rather than earning it. And Cena spending time saying he's not competing and taking the place of current roaster stars, before the fiend pointing at the sign, and him agreeing. Just stupid.

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Spot. On.

Just awful, awful booking. I wonder if it's because it was leaked so they decided not to bother with any build?

Bayley v Naomi will be on the Pre-Show.

Owens v Rollins or Owens & Someone vs. Rollins & Murphy for the Tag Titles.

Expect Multi-Man matches for the US and Intercontinental matches.

Banks v Trish is due to be confirmed.


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Post by Luke on Mon 02 Mar 2020, 1:52 pm

Beer wrote:
Luke wrote:Whilst I have no problems with the Fiend/Cena, Regina/Goldberg matches. And they probably are more wrestlemania matches.
The way they've set them up last night was dire. Regins getting the shot by just saying he's next rather than earning it. And Cena spending time saying he's not competing and taking the place of current roaster stars, before the fiend pointing at the sign, and him agreeing. Just stupid.

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Spot. On.

Just awful, awful booking. I wonder if it's because it was leaked so they decided not to bother with any build?

Bayley v Naomi will be on the Pre-Show.

Owens v Rollins or Owens & Someone vs. Rollins & Murphy for the Tag Titles.

Expect Multi-Man matches for the US and Intercontinental matches.

Banks v Trish is due to be confirmed.


I sort of feel, that it's because of there names and creative believing that they don't need to build the matches up. Because everybody now's who they are.

Elimination chamber this Sunday, so that should add a few matches, but can see the us championship not on the show.
The 2 battle royals will be pre show, and possibly Braun if he retains on Sunday.

If I'm honest, the only match in looking forward to us Lesner/McIntyre, and I personally think that Goldberg/Regins will be an awful match.
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Post by Beer on Mon 02 Mar 2020, 2:03 pm

I'm looking forward to Lesnar vs. Drew, Flair vs. Ripley and Bayszler vs. Lynch. No interest in The Fiend vs. Cena, or putting Reigns over again.

A US Title Ladder match would be quality, Andrade, Carillo, Garza, Rey.

Completely forgot AJ vs. Taker, which I have a mild interest in.

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Post by Luke on Mon 02 Mar 2020, 2:26 pm

Yeah the Charlotte/Rhea match could be outstanding, my only worry with that is if Charlotte wins.
Edge/Orton, but that's more because of the story then any thought the match will be good.

Watching taker in the ring now is just painful, and I wish he'd just retire. Goldberg matches just never interested me due to them being quick to suit him.
Rumoured match Beth Phoenix and Natalya are going to be facing the Kobuki Warriors.

Will be interesting if this is an espen pay per view, as there about $60 in us, and can't see this card at the moment appealing to casual fans to part with that amount.
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Post by Beer on Mon 02 Mar 2020, 3:14 pm

Yeah, I can't see her winning. Unless she's going back to NXT like Balor.

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Post by Luke on Mon 02 Mar 2020, 3:42 pm

Beer wrote:Yeah, I can't see her winning. Unless she's going back to NXT like Balor.

I can see it being a start of the build for 4 horsewoman match.
If they are doing a draft this year, that could be very interesting. I can't see fox being happy at the moment, so will they push more stars that way? What will happen with NXT etc.
At this moment I have more interest in that then wrestlemania, which looks like Vince is hoping nostalgia will be why people tune in.
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Post by Beer on Mon 02 Mar 2020, 3:55 pm

Do you mean between the 4 NXT stars? Cause we had that a while back.

If they go down NXT v MMA, you could have Mania go off the air with those 4 costing (MMA) costing the NXT lot all their matches.

God help us if we get Charlotte, Bayley, Becky and Banks all winning.

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Post by Luke on Mon 02 Mar 2020, 4:16 pm

No.
The 4 WWE v the 4 NXT, which they have been rumoured to be doing for a while.
Can see Rhonda appearing to cost Becky.
Bayley needs to lose, can see her losing to Lacey Evans, maybe not at Mania but soon. Sasha will win if she faces Trisha. Charlotte is a wild card.

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Post by Luke on Mon 09 Mar 2020, 12:51 pm

Well that pay per view was, well there.
Set up Shayna v Becky. Which I'm not overly interested in, as I don't get the hype of Shayna

Would also like to see Drew Gulack v Daniel Bryan. Excellent match last night, and think it could be a classic at mania.

I'm also wondering if they are building up for a 4 way, for the Smackdown woman's title.
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Post by Samo on Mon 09 Mar 2020, 3:32 pm

Shayna is excellent and she's been built brilliantly. Not overly keen on how they booked her VS Asuka in the chamber. It should have went another 5 minutes or so or she should have killed her straight away. Felt like it ended just as it was getting going.

So we have 5 matches confirmed now. AJ vs Undertaker and Edge vs Orton still arent official but might aswell be.

Shayna vs Becky for the RAW womens title
McIntyre vs Brock for the WWE title
Reigns vs Goldberg for the Universal title
Cena vs The Fiend
Rhea Ripley vs Charlotte for the NXT womens title

To add some more matches based on what happened last night

Seth Rollins, Murphy, AOP vs KO, Viking Raiders and a fourth man - 8 man tag
Zayn vs Cesaro vs Nakamura vs Strowman - IC title fatal fourway
Andrade vs Mysterio vs Carillo vs Garza - US title fatal fourway
Both Battle Royals

Thats 11 matches and I still dont have anything with either tag champions, the Smackdown womens title or Daniel Bryan. They could make whoever wins the womens battle royal face Baylay later on I suppose. You could also have Bryan and Gulak team up to take on Miz and Morrison.

I actually feel sorry for the poor illegitimate childen aka Pal Joeys going, its going to be a long day.

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Post by Marky on Mon 09 Mar 2020, 4:06 pm

I think Rollins v Owens has to happen as a singles match, maybe have AOP v Viking Raiders v Street Profits at Mania

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Post by Luke on Tue 10 Mar 2020, 1:31 am

Samo wrote:Shayna is excellent and she's been built brilliantly.  Not overly keen on how they booked her VS Asuka in the chamber.  It should have went another 5 minutes or so or she should have killed her straight away. Felt like it ended just as it was getting going.

So we have 5 matches confirmed now. AJ vs Undertaker and Edge vs Orton still arent official but might aswell be.

Shayna vs Becky for the RAW womens title
McIntyre vs Brock for the WWE title
Reigns vs Goldberg for the Universal title
Cena vs The Fiend
Rhea Ripley vs Charlotte for the NXT womens title

To add some more matches based on what happened last night

Seth Rollins, Murphy, AOP vs KO, Viking Raiders and a fourth man - 8 man tag
Zayn vs Cesaro vs Nakamura vs Strowman - IC title fatal fourway
Andrade vs Mysterio vs Carillo vs Garza - US title fatal fourway
Both Battle Royals

Thats 11 matches and I still dont have anything with either tag champions, the Smackdown womens title or Daniel Bryan.  They could make whoever wins the womens battle royal face Baylay later on I suppose.  You could also have Bryan and Gulak team up to take on Miz and Morrison.

I actually feel sorry for the poor illegitimate childen aka Pal Joeys going, its going to be a long day.

The other issue here, is mania is 3 weeks away. So to build up matches properly just can't really be done to give them a decent storyline.
Which is why I think the Smackdown woman's title will be a 4 way.
Think there will be some form of Otis/Ziggler weather in singles or tag (how they didn't give the titles to one last night I just dont know).
Agree with Mark, Rollins/Owens has to be a singles match.
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Post by Beer on Tue 10 Mar 2020, 9:50 am

Agreed about Shayna's booking, but then I think they present her as a legit badass. Problem is, everyone knows Becky Rollins isn't, so anything but a dominant win for Shayna would be a waste.

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Post by Luke on Tue 10 Mar 2020, 11:44 am

Beer wrote:Agreed about Shayna's booking, but then I think they present her as a legit badass. Problem is, everyone knows Becky Rollins isn't, so anything but a dominant win for Shayna would be a waste.

Agree Shayna has to win, and if not easily certainly dominate from start to finish.
The problem is afterwards, she showed the other night the raw women's division is so far beneath her, that there isn't a feud going forwards unless with Charlotte or the draft brings Sasha over. Especially as Becky is apparently having time off after mania.
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Post by Beer on Tue 10 Mar 2020, 11:52 am

Well, there is some people in NXT that have given her a battle. Io Shirai, Belair, plus you have Charlotte, and Banks. Even old facebreaker Jax could mix it up.

They should've put Asuka in early and let her dominate for a bit and get fatigued.

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Post by Luke on Tue 10 Mar 2020, 2:12 pm

I understand why they booked it the way they did, and to be fair she came out of it looking a genuine threat.
The trouble is in doing that they buried the division, and if Charlotte loses to rhea Ripley her coming straight back to a shot at the raw championship is stupid.
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Post by Samo on Wed 11 Mar 2020, 9:56 am

They could build a pretty good program between her and Ember Moon, going all the way back to their feud in NXT. Could go a couple of months with that, Beckys back for the rematch at SummerSlam before building to the 4 vs 4 match.

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Post by Luke on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 7:03 am

After the news last night (of trump banning all travel), wrestlemania could be at the very least postponed as early as today
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Post by Marky on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 7:05 am

Smackdown is going to be from the Performance Center this Friday, think they'll take it on a day by day basis

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Post by Samo on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 3:36 pm

Theres no way in hell Vince and Co will postpone or cancel Mania, but it could very well be out of their hands. It'll probably be up to the city of Tampa whether or not they take the risk. If it is postponed its going to cause a massive Frak.

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Post by Luke on Thu 12 Mar 2020, 10:08 pm

NHL following NBA and pausing there season.
Tampa saying that if it isn't sorted out they will have an emergency meeting a week from today.

There will be a wrestlemania, but I very much doubt it will be in the advertised date.
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Post by Marky on Sat 14 Mar 2020, 9:33 am

Rumours of the Saudis offering WWE $75m to host Mania

Would mean fans allowed, and they dont lose out financially

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Post by GSC on Sat 14 Mar 2020, 10:19 am

still doesnt really solve the problem of what happens if Lesnar/Drew etc contract the virus. Dont really see anyway you can plan to hold the event
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Post by Luke on Tue 17 Mar 2020, 6:22 am

Wrestlemania has been moved to the performance center.
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Post by Samo on Tue 17 Mar 2020, 11:00 am

Thats probably the 2nd worst thing they could have done.

Edit: Its being rumoured that this is just an insurance job to show that they did what they could to mitigate things and can still claim, and that the actual plan is to delay it until June and hold it in MSG.

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