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Post by super_realist on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 6:46 am

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dynamark wrote:Kobe beef isn't that a real thing.Not familiar with the gent but Basketball is a great spectator sport in that there is a score every few seconds and always a result .
Lowry has done very  well to say the least in view of the stick he gets.Good lad

Do you think so? It's certainly a great sport to play, but it's pretty boring to watch. 75% of the game is irrelevant. It only becomes slightly interesting in the last quarter when the match is won and lost. I thinks that's the problem with American sport. They concentrate so much on there being frequent scoring, that it becomes routine and lacks excitement when they do score.
I prefer moments of brilliance in sports rather than just constant routine points.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 8:10 am

beninho wrote:Saw the Brits last night  for my yearly reminder I'm out of touch with music. Though a great performance by Dave, and from what I've heard he is very good. And a good performance from Stormzy. And for you Scots, Capaldi represented with a bottle of buckfast.

Hip hop has gone from being the NWA, Public Enemy, Run DMC and Cypress Hill to be the utter garbage that is Dave and Stormzy.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 8:17 am

I see the Brits the same way as I see Radio 1. Anyone older than 16 probably shouldn't be watching or listening. They're not aimed at a demographic above that age.

I remember when I first stumbled across the hilariously bad Professor Green. I thought it was a really bad Eminem parody until I realised he was serious.

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 8:19 am

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beninho wrote:I read someone say people with mh issues should not be held accountable. Well it's one way to decrease the prison population, as a vast number of inmates suffer some form of mh condition. But it's clearly a bonkers view.

There are so many people who don't understand what mental health is and the social media generation seem to think sadness and depression are the same thing when they're not. It's a problem no doubt but not to the extent that it is made out to be.

Depression is very much a mental health condition, obviously it ranges from mild to more, which is why medication starts at a low dosage. Anxiety is also a condition. Sadness, obviously not.

I would say, most people will experience some sort of mh episode, but not everyone will suffer due to it.

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 8:28 am

super_realist wrote:I see the Brits the same way as I see Radio 1. Anyone older than 16 probably shouldn't be watching or listening. They're not aimed at a demographic above that age.

I remember when I first stumbled across the hilariously bad Professor Green. I thought it was a really bad Eminem parody until I realised he was serious.

I'm so far away from target audience, but I do like to watch it even if not all of it. Looking at the best song nominations, some are very good, Giant, ladbroke grove, nothing breaks like a heart are all good songs, gossip bop is ok. The Capaldi song that won, while not exciting is a good pop ballad. The other 4, not an idea about them.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 8:34 am

Never heard of any of them, but then even if I was 16 I doubt I would have.

I've been hearing on the radio that some of the idiots had political things to say. They just end up looking stupid when they do that. Stick to making terrible "music".

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 8:42 am

The only person I saw make a comment was Dave, after singing his song black, which was very powerful. He then freestyle some extra bits on, and did it very well. In no way did he look stupid though.

Tyler the creator mentioned Theresa May, but only because she blocked him coming into the uk 5 years ago.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 8:54 am

beninho wrote:The only person I saw make a comment was Dave, after singing his song black, which was very powerful. He then freestyle some extra bits on, and did it very well. In no way did he look stupid though.

Tyler the creator mentioned Theresa May, but only because she blocked him coming into the uk 5 years ago.

No he didn't look stupid at all...

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:08 am

beninho wrote:The only person I saw make a comment was Dave, after singing his song black, which was very powerful.He then freestyle some extra bits on, and did it very well. In no way did he look stupid though.

Tyler the creator mentioned Theresa May, but only because she blocked him coming into the uk 5 years ago.

laughing laughing laughing

As for it being "freestyle" yeah right. As if he didn't think of it before. How naive are you? , and he actually stated, whilst speaking that Boris Johnson was racist, nothing to do with a "freestyle rap"

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:25 am

He added on an extra rap, it wasn't part of the song. The song is about being black. He called out the PM for racism. Days after the PM refused to condemn racist comments made by a no10 advisor, on top of the previous statements made, he may well be right.

But, it still wasn't stupid. Have you seen it now?

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:27 am

beninho wrote:He added on an extra rap, it wasn't part of the song. The song is about being black. He called out the PM for racism. Days after the PM refused to condemn racist comments made by a no10 advisor, on top of the previous statements made, he may well be right.

But, it still wasn't stupid. Have you seen it now?

And you think that was "freestyled" and not planned? If you believe that I've got some swamp land in New Jersey to sell you.
I'm talking about what he said in his speech which is being widely played and reported.
I don't even care whether the claim is true or not, "celebrities" even a nobody like "Dave" look idiotic when they try to be political.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:30 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:He added on an extra rap, it wasn't part of the song. The song is about being black. He called out the PM for racism. Days after the PM refused to condemn racist comments made by a no10 advisor, on top of the previous statements made, he may well be right.

But, it still wasn't stupid. Have you seen it now?

And you think that was "freestyled" and not planned? If you believe that I've got some swamp land in New Jersey to sell you.
I'm talking about what he said in his speech which is being widely played and reported.
I don't even care whether it's true or not, "celebrities" even a nobody like Dave look idiotic when they try to be political.

So very true, what can I say that my fans will lap up is basically how it goes now. I have no interest knowing about the political opinions of any so called celebrity let alone a no mark who'll be forgotten in five years time.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:31 am

Five years? You think he'll last that long?

You have to ask what sort of idiot needs something to be pointed out by a child's entertainer? I wouldn't listen to the opinions and views of "Dave" anymore than I'd listen to political views of Rod Hull, Stu Francis or Floella Benjamin.


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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:32 am

Ok, it wasn't a pure freestyle. Fine. It's being reported as a freestyle rap, as it's not from the actual song. I don't really care whether it is or isn't.

So, you have seen it? Or just read reports on it?

My view is it wasn't idiotic. But, again, you can hold whatever view you want. Why do you feel it is idiotic?

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:35 am

Soul Requiem wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:He added on an extra rap, it wasn't part of the song. The song is about being black. He called out the PM for racism. Days after the PM refused to condemn racist comments made by a no10 advisor, on top of the previous statements made, he may well be right.

But, it still wasn't stupid. Have you seen it now?

And you think that was "freestyled" and not planned? If you believe that I've got some swamp land in New Jersey to sell you.
I'm talking about what he said in his speech which is being widely played and reported.
I don't even care whether it's true or not, "celebrities" even a nobody like Dave look idiotic when they try to be political.

So very true, what can I say that my fans will lap up is basically how it goes now. I have no interest knowing about the political opinions of any so called celebrity let alone a no mark who'll be forgotten in five years time.

Did you watch it?

But lots of people found what he said resonated with them, so why would he or they care if it meant nothing to you. Ok, you don't like it, fine. Others will.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:35 am

beninho wrote:Ok, it wasn't a pure freestyle. Fine. It's being reported as a freestyle rap, as it's not from the actual song. I don't really care whether it is or isn't.

So, you have seen it? Or just read reports on it?

My view is it wasn't idiotic. But, again, you can hold whatever view you want. Why do you feel it is idiotic?

I have heard it on radio, and it was such a bad "rap" I thought he was just speaking. Given that this was preplanned, he had time to think and practice I thought he might have done a better job.

Awful stuff. Predictable, childish and seriously lacking in talent.


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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:35 am

I think it's idiotic any time a throwaway comment is made in the knowledge it won't be challenged by anyone there. Until yesterday evening I didn't even know Dave existed and this morning I'm wishing I was still ignorant to his existence.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:36 am

beninho wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:He added on an extra rap, it wasn't part of the song. The song is about being black. He called out the PM for racism. Days after the PM refused to condemn racist comments made by a no10 advisor, on top of the previous statements made, he may well be right.

But, it still wasn't stupid. Have you seen it now?

And you think that was "freestyled" and not planned? If you believe that I've got some swamp land in New Jersey to sell you.
I'm talking about what he said in his speech which is being widely played and reported.
I don't even care whether it's true or not, "celebrities" even a nobody like Dave look idiotic when they try to be political.

So very true, what can I say that my fans will lap up is basically how it goes now. I have no interest knowing about the political opinions of any so called celebrity let alone a no mark who'll be forgotten in five years time.

Did you watch it?

But lots of people found what he said resonated with them, so why would he or they care if it meant nothing to you. Ok, you don't like it, fine. Others will.

Farage resonates with people, so he's not an idiot either?

Or how about Nick Griffin? Tommy Robinson?

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:38 am

super_realist wrote:Five years? You think he'll last that long?

You have to ask what sort of idiot needs something to be pointed out by a child's entertainer? I wouldn't listen to the opinions and views of "Dave" anymore than I'd listen to political views of Rod Hull, Stu Francis or Floella Benjamin.

I'm sure you dont have to, isn't flo in the hol so her opinions are being taken into account pretty regularly.

Maybe, what he says resonates with the youth of today, primarily black kids who have faced racism or discrimination. As you say you are not target audience, so you don't need to worry.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:40 am

And neither are you, so why did you watch?

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:41 am

Are you comparing him to known racists?

Guy sings about problems faced by black kids and calls out racism. The response is hes the same as actual racists. Ok. Strange take.

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:42 am

super_realist wrote:And neither are you, so why did you watch?

Because I wanted to. I enjoyed it.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:43 am

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:And neither are you, so why did you watch?

Because I wanted to. I enjoyed it.

Do you watch Cbeebies too?

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:47 am

Yep. In fact I'm pretty sure you've asked me that before.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:49 am

beninho wrote:Are you comparing him to known racists?

Guy sings about problems faced by black kids and calls out racism. The response is hes the same as actual racists. Ok. Strange take.

You said his words resonate with people so therefore can't be an idiot, I simply proved that to be false.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:50 am

beninho wrote:Are you comparing him to known racists?

Guy sings about problems faced by black kids and calls out racism. The response is hes the same as actual racists. Ok. Strange take.

The issue is that he used the Brits to make a political point in addition to what he calls a song.
Our opinion was that he looks like an idiot, but you think we are wrong for thinking that.
The point is that people using such platforms to express their views look idiotic. Yet you seem to have a problem with people thinking that.
I'm sure that for some idiots who can't think for themselves and whose lives are so empty that they adulate a no mark like "Dave" it might hit a certain mark, but that doesn't mean I can't think that idiots making political points at award ceremonies don't end up looking stupid.
You don't, fine. I do.

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:52 am

You've made up your own view for target audience on the brits anyway. It had a performance by Rod Stewart and the Faces. I don't think music is age based. You can like and listen to music at any age. I think if you decide you don't like something without listening people could be missing out on good songs. As mentioned already, I like some of the best song shortlist, if not the actual winner, that much.

Music, is personal choices and what someone likes should not be ridiculed.

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:54 am

Soul Requiem wrote:
beninho wrote:Are you comparing him to known racists?

Guy sings about problems faced by black kids and calls out racism. The response is hes the same as actual racists. Ok. Strange take.

You said his words resonate with people so therefore can't be an idiot, I simply proved that to be false.

Well it depends on what constitutes an idiot. We all have different ranges I suppose. I don't find the words last night idiotic,I do find racists idiotic and people who resonate with racists idiotic.

All horses for courses. You may not find Farage or people who listen to them as idiotic.

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Post by beninho on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:56 am

Unsure, why I've got myself dragged into a really daft arguement.

I accept your views, your choices to make. People have different opinions on what is idiotic.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 9:56 am

beninho wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
beninho wrote:Are you comparing him to known racists?

Guy sings about problems faced by black kids and calls out racism. The response is hes the same as actual racists. Ok. Strange take.

You said his words resonate with people so therefore can't be an idiot, I simply proved that to be false.

Well it depends on what constitutes an idiot. We all have different ranges I suppose. I don't find the words last night idiotic,I do find racists idiotic and people who resonate with racists idiotic.

All horses for courses. You may not find Farage or people who listen to them as idiotic.

I wonder if someone had called Dianne Abbot a racist you would be quite so supportive.

If someone is racist, what sort of idiot needs it pointed out by a moron at an awards ceremony where it can't be challenged?

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 10:13 am

How useless is Rebecca Long Bailey.
So stupid she said Clement Atlee was her favourite Labour leader in the last 50 years and so stupid she said she wanted to keep the monarchy to see Meghan be Queen.

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Post by dynamark on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 11:46 am

Super if she gets the job its lights out for labour.Way out of her depth on Andrew Marr on sunday and he is a softee
Brits has to have a bit of an edge these days.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 11:54 am

dynamark wrote:Super if she gets the job its lights out for labour.Way out of her depth on Andrew Marr on sunday and he is a softee
Brits has to have a bit of an edge these days.

Starmer seems nailed on, though I can't really see him as a PM, best I could see him doing is moving to centre, reducing the majority and setting a better environment for someone else in around 5 years time after the next election. We have at least 10 years of the Tories I think, the deficit is just too great, even bigger than 1997.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 11:54 am

Is "edge" now gammon dog whistle for racist?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 11:55 am

McLaren wrote:Is "edge" now gammon dog whistle for racist?

Here he goes again.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 12:05 pm

It was a rhetorical question, "edge" is now used to dog whistle all manner or nastiness.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 12:17 pm

McLaren wrote:It was a rhetorical question, "edge" is now used to dog whistle all manner or nastiness.

Another fabrication. Edge simply means that it might be contentious, sensationalist, opinionated or contrary. It doesn't by any means infer it's nasty. Says a lot about you that you think being edgy means you are somehow nasty. No wonder you're such a wet quilt.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 1:02 pm

super_realist wrote:whose lives are so empty that they adulate a no mark like "Dave"
You don't, fine. I do.

Super

The empty lives comment intrigued me becuase I imagine you must inhabit a pretty empty life.

You are early to mid 40's, unable to find a partner, childless and spend an inordinate amount of time running in circles.

How does social time look for you? Are your friends and family with children/wifes/husbands and more fulfilled lives inviting you to tag along for dinner or time out with family to sit as the odd guy spouting off about Sturgeon or religion?

Serious question, do you ever spend time with people outside of work, what does your social life look like?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 1:09 pm

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:whose lives are so empty that they adulate a no mark like "Dave"
You don't, fine. I do.

Super

The empty lives comment intrigued me becuase I imagine you must inhabit a pretty empty life.

You are early to mid 40's, unable to find a partner, childless and spend an inordinate amount of time running in circles.

How does social time look for you?  Are your friends and family with children/wifes/husbands and more fulfilled lives inviting you to tag along for dinner or time out with family to sit as the odd guy spouting off about Sturgeon or religion?

Serious question, do you ever spend time with people outside of work, what does your social life look like?

It's funny that you claim that to have a fulfilled life means you have to have a partner and children. What a pathetic criteria.
Having children often means you have a considerably worse social life and your circle of friends shrinks. I can't think of anything worse than having to live my life taking care of children.

Of course I spend time with people outside work, I'm just back from a week in the alps, trying doing that with children when you don't spend your time pandering to their needs. Life is pretty great being single, you shouldn't be so dismissive of it.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 1:22 pm

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:whose lives are so empty that they adulate a no mark like "Dave"
You don't, fine. I do.

Super

The empty lives comment intrigued me becuase I imagine you must inhabit a pretty empty life.

You are early to mid 40's, unable to find a partner, childless and spend an inordinate amount of time running in circles.

How does social time look for you?  Are your friends and family with children/wifes/husbands and more fulfilled lives inviting you to tag along for dinner or time out with family to sit as the odd guy spouting off about Sturgeon or religion?

Serious question, do you ever spend time with people outside of work, what does your social life look like?

It's funny that you claim that to have a fulfilled life means you have to have a partner and children. What a pathetic criteria.
Having children often means you have a considerably worse social life and your circle of friends shrinks. I can't think of anything worse than having to live my life taking care of children.

Of course I spend time with people outside work, I'm just back from a week in the alps, trying doing that with children when you don't spend your time pandering to their needs. Life is pretty great being single, you shouldn't be so dismissive of it.

It's the criteria used by people who haven't achieved anything else in life. Having children doesn't make you special.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 1:24 pm

Super

I think you have missed the point. It is not that being single or not having kids is worse, it is just that at your age most of your friends will have chosen to get married and have kids. It would be a shock to me if they felt like having you around would be a particularly fun experience given their circumstances and your behavior.

It just seems like you might have to spend a lot of time in awkward situations where you have been invited out of pity.
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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 1:33 pm

McLaren wrote:Super

I think you have missed the point. It is not that being single or not having kids is worse, it is just that at your age most of your friends will have chosen to get married and have kids. It would be a shock to me if they felt like having you around would be a particularly fun experience given their circumstances and your behavior.

It just seems like you might have to spend a lot of time in awkward situations where you have been invited out of pity.

In other words, everyone in my friendship group is a boring old fart that talks about their children all the time. I assume everyone else has such a fulfilled life.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 1:34 pm

McLaren wrote:Super

I think you have missed the point. It is not that being single or not having kids is worse, it is just that at your age most of your friends will have chosen to get married and have kids. It would be a shock to me if they felt like having you around would be a particularly fun experience given their circumstances and your behavior.

It just seems like you might have to spend a lot of time in awkward situations where you have been invited out of pity.
Who says I'm invited anywhere out of pity. You are the one revealing more about yourself by assuming you have to be in a relationship and have children to be fulfilled.
Anyway, why would I be invited or be interested in going around to friends houses to have dinner with their family, is that really what you call fulfillment?
You don't have children, which most do at your age, so what are you missing? Nothing I would wager, so you're not really any better off than I am, you claim to have a girlfriend which I'm about as confident in as your claim that you have an MSc and worked abroad, but admit to spending your time reading golf architecture books in a library because you're too poor to buy it, watching F1, football and playing computer games, travelling by bus and you have the nerve to suggest my life isn't fulfilled? Sounds like your life is a lot worse and more boring  than mine especially as you're massively poorer and don't have access to the golf that I do.

Most people are only friends with one half of a couple rather than both anyway, so your entire assumption that a social life revolves around a group of couples is stupid.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 1:45 pm

Wow, and you say other people have comprehension issues. I will repeat just to make it easy for you, "It is not that being single or not having kids is worse, it is just that at your age most of your friends will have chosen to get married and have kids"

And if that is not clear enough, here is it put another way. The frequency of married couples and people with children in your friend group increases with age. Notice there is no claim about what is better.

Now, given that is the case. How does that impact on your social life?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 1:51 pm

Jesus Mac, you really are dim. Yes, most people I know are married with children, so what?, most people you know probably are too. However I still know a large number of single people and I still meet a lot of friends who don't have to go everywhere with their family baggage.
My social life now is really no different to when it was when most people were not married with kids.

You don't seem to be able to separate a person who is married with kids and someone who is permitted to not spend 100% of the time with them. For example. This weekend, weather permitting I'm playing golf. The other guys are married with children, but neither their kids nor wives will be in attendance.
Got it? They need time away too.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 1:57 pm

McLaren wrote:Wow, and you say other people have comprehension issues. I will repeat just to make it easy for you, "It is not that being single or not having kids is worse, it is just that at your age most of your friends will have chosen to get married and have kids"

And if that is not clear enough, here is it put another way. The frequency of married couples and people with children in your friend group increases with age.  Notice there is no claim about what is better.

Now, given that is the case. How does that impact on your social life?

So a generalisation extrapolated to insignicance?

In my friendship group (mid 30's) there is one soon to be married couple and none with children, generalisations rarely work.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 1:57 pm

I am just curious how conversations with your friends go

Friend A: Yeh Jim really likes his new teacher
Friend B: Nice, Rosie isn't too keen on hers but is doing ok
Super: Where is the evidence that his teacher is good?
Friend A: ok
Friend B: :shock:
Super: Waaaaaaa, Dawkins did not say eugenics is moral
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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 2:00 pm

McLaren wrote:I am just curious how conversations with your friends go

Friend A: Yeh Jim really likes his new teacher
Friend B: Nice, Rosie isn't too keen on hers but is doing ok
Super: Where is the evidence that his teacher is good?
Friend A: ok
Friend B: Shocked
Super: Waaaaaaa, Dawkins did not say eugenics is moral
Mac what sort of friends do you keep where they talk incessantly about their children and if they did, why would you continue to hang around with them. If you had any friends you'd realise that most are desperate to get some time away from kids and wives and talk about things other than them.  
Your life must be so boring if you have to hang hang out with couples and their kids and talk about kids all the time.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 2:06 pm

This is pointless but also illustrated the point perfectly.

I am trying to get at how you cope in normal social situations, I assumed like most people of your age you had reached the stage where most of your friend group was more family orientated and therefore wondered how you coped with that. It turns out your friend group is not like that.

Most people would have worked out he gist of the questions and answered anyway, you argue the toss about the demographics as if you are on an internet atheist talk show. What transpired above is not normal.

So i'll make it easy for, in whatever your social settings are how do you come off to those around you?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 2:07 pm

Mac, I cope in social situation exactly the same way as anyone else does. Why do you have a problem understanding that?

How do I come off to those around me, ask them. Why would I come off any different to anyone else, and if they didn't like me, I'd soon be cut out, so you can assume it is positively. After all, it wasn't me who playing partners refused to have a drink with it was you, it wasn't me who was voted less popular on this forum when you ran a poll, it was you. So try taking a look at yourself instead of caring about me. It seems you are more likely to be having problems than I am.

It seems to me that you're just gutted that I'm doing better in life than you are and you can't handle that someone could be just as happy and fulfilled as you are.


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Post by McLaren on Wed 19 Feb 2020, 2:09 pm

super_realist wrote:Mac, I cope in social situation exactly the same way as anyone else does. Why do you have a problem understanding that?
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You really don't see it?

Have you not noticed that your posting style on here is very different to everyone elses?
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