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Post by super_realist on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 6:46 am

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dynamark wrote:Kobe beef isn't that a real thing.Not familiar with the gent but Basketball is a great spectator sport in that there is a score every few seconds and always a result .
Lowry has done very  well to say the least in view of the stick he gets.Good lad

Do you think so? It's certainly a great sport to play, but it's pretty boring to watch. 75% of the game is irrelevant. It only becomes slightly interesting in the last quarter when the match is won and lost. I thinks that's the problem with American sport. They concentrate so much on there being frequent scoring, that it becomes routine and lacks excitement when they do score.
I prefer moments of brilliance in sports rather than just constant routine points.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 9:22 am

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super_realist wrote:Neither of which says they will require "life long treatment".

Thanks.

The life long treatment bit, is something I've read about some people who have ended up on a ventilator or been in intensive care. On top of the potential damage caused by the virus. I didn't think that needed to be spelt out. You are a clever chap.
We've talked about typical lung fibrosis as a function of this sort of virus, but although a vent can keep you alive, it's damaging your lungs while it's doing so - you can't stay on one for long at any one time. Wouldn't be surprised if those who've been critical, but survived, have some form of reduced lung function after this.
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Post by beninho on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 10:07 am

I think there will be a big enquiry when this is all finished, or getting better, and in the end Cummins will be the sacrificial lamb.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 10:19 am

https://www.bbc.com/sport/africa/52010616

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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 10:34 am

Important debate going on in the quest to MAGA:

What qualifies as an essential business?

California, New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania stipulate that gun and ammo shops don't qualify and should close.

But Connecticut, Illinois, Kentucky & Ohio disagree and, for the time being at least, are keeping gun stores open.

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Post by Pal Joey on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 10:54 am

Surely the blood splatters will only spread this blasted virus even further? Common sense should prevail... if it's already not too late.
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Post by McLaren on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 11:26 am

"Covid-19 economic rescue plans must be green, say environmentalists"

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/24/covid-19-economic-rescue-plans-must-be-green-say-environmentalists
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Post by super_realist on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 11:27 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
super_realist wrote:"One form of exercise a day" Golf count?
Not for me - our club closed last night until further notice. Good thing though probably, as there were bunches of a-holes there over weekend w/ tinnies (bar already closed at that point) sitting around and playing rollups as if nothing abnormal was going on. This in a typical club where there's a lot of elderly members. Utter winkers.

The question is whether green staff are allowed to maintain the courses?

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Post by super_realist on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 11:28 am

McLaren wrote:"Covid-19 economic rescue plans must be green, say environmentalists"

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/24/covid-19-economic-rescue-plans-must-be-green-say-environmentalists

Sorry, they're going to have to suck it up for a while. There isn't the infrastructure for what they want. It's not going to happen.
Not reading that nonsense paper are you Mac?

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Post by westisbest on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 12:40 pm

2021 will be a decent summer of sport.

Lions tour of South Africa
Euro’s
Olympics.

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Post by dynamark on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 2:10 pm

Very quiet out today(for the shop)hopefully the message is getting through.
I would still like after this to make a difference to peoples attitude to their health in particular the smokers, drinkers, lazy individuals but I doubt it will happen.
Slightly different story but when I had my new hip aged 65 on discharge after 3 days the staff nurse went into the cupboard next to the bed and said 'your meds are missing'.I said I don't have any meds -but they are so used to everyone of a decent age having all manner of stuff on the go.
Maybe Ive been a little lucky but we can all look after ur health and wellbeing without spending half our lives at the doctors we need a different attitude no withstanding serious stuff obviously

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Post by super_realist on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 2:52 pm

The worry is how long will it last. I think people will start taking liberties soon enough and this will mean another 3 weeks on top.
It's similar to school when one person's bad behaviour punishment is shared by the entire class.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 2:58 pm

beninho wrote:I think there will be a big enquiry when this is all finished, or getting better, and in the end Cummins will be the sacrificial lamb.
Doubt it. Not sure I see a real problem w/ what they're doing. If someone can prove he made comments about deaths being better than economic tanking, that might be different. Not sure his position would be tenable.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 3:00 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Important debate going on in the quest to MAGA:

What qualifies as an essential business?

California, New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania stipulate that gun and ammo shops don't qualify and should close.

But Connecticut, Illinois, Kentucky & Ohio disagree and, for the time being at least, are keeping gun stores open.
Interesting one. Maybe bolt-action rifles OK? And shotguns? Hunting and all that. Anything else, not so much?
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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 3:01 pm

super_realist wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
super_realist wrote:"One form of exercise a day" Golf count?
Not for me - our club closed last night until further notice. Good thing though probably, as there were bunches of a-holes there over weekend w/ tinnies (bar already closed at that point) sitting around and playing rollups as if nothing abnormal was going on. This in a typical club where there's a lot of elderly members. Utter winkers.

The question is whether green staff are allowed to maintain the courses?
Should think/hope so. Easy enough to do while being socially distant I would think.
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Post by Plunky on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 3:01 pm

dynamark wrote:Very quiet out today(for the shop)hopefully the message is getting through.
I would still like after  this to make a difference to peoples attitude to their health in particular the smokers, drinkers, lazy individuals but I doubt it will happen.
Slightly different story but when I had my new hip aged 65 on discharge after 3 days the staff nurse went into the cupboard next to the bed and said 'your meds are missing'.I said I don't have any meds -but they are so used to everyone of a decent age having all manner of stuff on the go.
Maybe Ive been a little lucky but we can all look after ur health and wellbeing without spending half our lives at the doctors we need a different attitude no withstanding serious stuff obviously

My mum had a similar experience Dyna. She fell and broke her hip when she was about 77 and when they admitted her to hospital they asked her what medication she was on. When she said "nothing" they assumed she'd misheard, so they got right in her face and repeated the question very slowly and loudly. They didn't ask her a third time !







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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 3:03 pm

westisbest wrote:2021 will be a decent summer of sport.

Lions tour of South Africa
Euro’s
Olympics.
You hope. Don't bet on this being 'over' by then.
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Post by super_realist on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 4:17 pm

Ian Lavery (Chairman of the Labour Party) on record stating that the Coronavirus is a "fantastic opportunity" for Labour to win back support. What a disgrace.
Just when Labour couldn't get any lower. You have to wonder who the "nasty party" actually is. They just keep digging that hole even deeper.

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Post by George1507 on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 4:24 pm

dynamark wrote:I think the very interesting maths  info is re infection .So apparently the average sufferer infects daily 2.5 others(don't ask me how they know and that's a low number)normal daily life.Isolated that drops to just 1 or below so the infection  numbers go exponentially high over several days with the 2.5 but creep along at the 1.Also remember the measures we may have taken this last few days will not show in numbers for another 10/14 days.

There was a guy on the radio this morning - some sort of epidemiologist I think - who said that delaying the peak of the pandemic will save lives, but only some of those people who the NHS would otherwise be too busy to treat. In other words, if the infection rate is 25%, it will still be 25%, but over 12 months instead of 6 months.

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Post by beninho on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 4:50 pm

super_realist wrote:Ian Lavery (Chairman of the Labour Party) on record stating that the Coronavirus is a "fantastic opportunity" for Labour to win back support. What a disgrace.
Just when Labour couldn't get any lower. You have to wonder who the "nasty party" actually is. They just keep digging that hole even deeper.

"By the way, when something like this happens, we’re going to see lots of our own dying as a consequence.

“But, you know apart from that, it’s going to give the fantastic battalion of Labour party members, community champions out there, a great opportunity of showing how Labour, and why Labour, is best when it gets on the front foot and best when it brings people together."


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Post by Soul Requiem on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 4:57 pm

super_realist wrote:Ian Lavery (Chairman of the Labour Party) on record stating that the Coronavirus is a "fantastic opportunity" for Labour to win back support. What a disgrace.
Just when Labour couldn't get any lower. You have to wonder who the "nasty party" actually is. They just keep digging that hole even deeper.

That's Corbyns Labour for you.

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Post by beninho on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 5:26 pm

But he didn't say it's a fantastic opportunity according to the quote.

There really isn't much wrong with the quote which was given to labour members. Calm down.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 5:31 pm

beninho wrote:But he didn't say it's a fantastic opportunity according to the quote.

There really isn't much wrong with the quote which was given to labour members. Calm down.

He's still trying to make political capital out of a crisis. Every sensible politician is getting behind the government, sadly there's a few still trying to score points.
Claiming Labour have a "great opportunity" is not something which should be uttered at the moment. Imagine if an undertaker was to aim it's a great opportunity to show what they do best.

I'm not sure how he thinks it's a great opportunity for Labour anyway, they aren't exactly in a position to be doing anything. Just more bluster from a soon to be unemployed chairman.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 5:59 pm

beninho wrote:But he didn't say it's a fantastic opportunity according to the quote.

There really isn't much wrong with the quote which was given to labour members. Calm down.

There's everything wrong with the quote, trying to gain from a crisis, classy stuff.

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Post by beninho on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 6:08 pm

It's a political situation. Political parties still exist, and so what they do. It was a gathering for labour members anyway. Stop being snowflakes

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Post by JAS on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 6:22 pm

Meanwhile Fat Mike takes a stance to highlight all that is wrong with a free market economy in a deep crisis, trying to claim Sports direct were essential in keeping the nation healthy... only trouble is Mr Ashley you’re not exactly a glowing example of your company’s wares being essential, more like optional, very very optional. Now why doesn’t he eff off and concentrate on making sure his zero hours contract staff are paid enough to keep them above the breadline like most responsible business owners are working with the govt to try and do.

I do hope if this crisis serves any purpose that it a) brings people together to heal the division Brexit created and b) shines a light on unscrupulous money grabbing sociopaths like Ashley.

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Post by JAS on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 6:30 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:But he didn't say it's a fantastic opportunity according to the quote.

There really isn't much wrong with the quote which was given to labour members. Calm down.

He's still trying to make political capital out of a crisis. Every sensible politician is getting behind the government, sadly there's a few still trying to score points.
Claiming Labour have a "great opportunity" is not something which should be uttered at the moment. Imagine if an undertaker was to aim it's a great opportunity to show what they do best.

I'm not sure how he thinks it's a great opportunity for Labour anyway, they aren't exactly in a position to be doing anything. Just more bluster from a soon to be unemployed chairman.

Dare I say it, YOU are trying to make political capital from it by bringing it up. On a broader political point and NOT a party political one. This is the second time in 12 years that the free market economy as worshipped by the Neoliberal elite has been shown to have fatal flaws. It is to Johnson’s credit that he has put ideology aside and invoked the biggest Socialist programme since WW2, in his quieter more reflective moments when he’s sitting beside the fireplace at No 10 whisky nightcap in hand he must think....WTF!!!

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Post by Soul Requiem on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 6:57 pm

beninho wrote:It's a political situation. Political parties still exist, and so what they do. It was a gathering for labour members anyway. Stop being snowflakes

So that makes it ok then?

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Post by Soul Requiem on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 6:59 pm

It's not actually a socialist program as it's based upon borrowing not taxes.

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Post by westisbest on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 6:59 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
westisbest wrote:2021 will be a decent summer of sport.

Lions tour of South Africa
Euro’s
Olympics.
You hope. Don't bet on this being 'over' by then.

I’m staying positive.

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Post by beninho on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 7:02 pm

I've said I have no issues with it . It really doesn't bother me, I'm not a labour member so it's not really aimed at me. But, I'm a bit meh. Find it hard either way to take offence or embrace it. I literally don't really care.

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Post by beninho on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 7:34 pm

I see Ireland has taken over all private hospitals, maybe we should do that instead of paying them. Did that go ahead?

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Post by JAS on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 8:28 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:It's not actually a socialist program as it's based upon borrowing not taxes.

Eh? What a weird and abstract definition. I’m talking about state intervention on a huge scale, and post intervention, how do you think it’s gonna be paid for? Mass withdrawals from Panama and the Cayman Islands? (that would be great if it happened but I don’t see it, it’ll be another 10 years + of lower middle income taxpayers.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Tue 24 Mar 2020, 9:04 pm

JAS wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:It's not actually a socialist program as it's based upon borrowing not taxes.

Eh? What a weird and abstract definition. I’m talking about state intervention on a huge scale, and post intervention, how do you think it’s gonna be paid for? Mass withdrawals from  Panama and the Cayman Islands? (that would be great if it happened but I don’t see it, it’ll be another 10 years + of lower middle income taxpayers.

We'll have to see won't we, either way it's not exactly Socialism at work. You seem under the impression that it solely entails state aid.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 7:53 am

JAS wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:But he didn't say it's a fantastic opportunity according to the quote.

There really isn't much wrong with the quote which was given to labour members. Calm down.

He's still trying to make political capital out of a crisis. Every sensible politician is getting behind the government, sadly there's a few still trying to score points.
Claiming Labour have a "great opportunity" is not something which should be uttered at the moment. Imagine if an undertaker was to aim it's a great opportunity to show what they do best.

I'm not sure how he thinks it's a great opportunity for Labour anyway, they aren't exactly in a position to be doing anything. Just more bluster from a soon to be unemployed chairman.

Dare I say it, YOU are trying to make political capital from it by bringing it up. On a broader political point and NOT a party political one. This is the second time in 12 years that the free market economy as worshipped by the Neoliberal elite has been shown to have fatal flaws. It is to Johnson’s credit that he has put ideology aside and invoked the biggest Socialist programme since WW2, in his quieter more reflective moments when he’s sitting beside the fireplace at No 10 whisky nightcap in hand he must think....WTF!!!

Lavery has been absolutely panned for it, so it's not just me. Even Clive Lewis dismissed his claims and stated he was an irrelevance and that his words were chosen poorly.

You keep making criticism of Capitalism, as if there's a better system. I think Churchill said that Capitalism was the worst system, apart from all the others. It doesn't matter what form of government/economic system you have in in times of crisis. You're going to have to put yourself in a position where you are going to be paying for it for years or decades. The difference between this and socialism is that socialism voluntarily puts itself in a position of penury.

By the way, we aren't in a free market system, we are in a mixed economic system and always have been. The US is a better model of a free market economy, but we are certainly not.

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Post by JAS on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 7:56 am

Soul Requiem wrote:
JAS wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:It's not actually a socialist program as it's based upon borrowing not taxes.

Eh? What a weird and abstract definition. I’m talking about state intervention on a huge scale, and post intervention, how do you think it’s gonna be paid for? Mass withdrawals from  Panama and the Cayman Islands? (that would be great if it happened but I don’t see it, it’ll be another 10 years + of lower middle income taxpayers.

We'll have to see won't we, either way it's not exactly Socialism at work. You seem under the impression that it solely entails state aid.

Not in the truest sense no because I’m sure it wouldn’t have been Johnson and his parties choice. But you can’t say massive state intervention isn’t Socialism either. As I’ve said several times in the past few weeks, Johnson is to be admired for parking his ideological baggage and doing the right thing...I would now say that at a high level, down at a detailed level there’s a bit too much ambiguity over essential work and where workers stand if their bosses are not playing ball regarding ensuring distancing, PPE provision etc. Ultimately tho even though I think he’s still doing a very very difficult job quite well, he will unfortunately and perhaps harshly be judged on the death rate. If we follow Italy’s curve, a lot of good will will very quickly evaporate.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 8:03 am

JAS wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
JAS wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:It's not actually a socialist program as it's based upon borrowing not taxes.

Eh? What a weird and abstract definition. I’m talking about state intervention on a huge scale, and post intervention, how do you think it’s gonna be paid for? Mass withdrawals from  Panama and the Cayman Islands? (that would be great if it happened but I don’t see it, it’ll be another 10 years + of lower middle income taxpayers.

We'll have to see won't we, either way it's not exactly Socialism at work. You seem under the impression that it solely entails state aid.

Not in the truest sense no because I’m sure it wouldn’t have been Johnson and his parties choice. But you can’t say massive state intervention isn’t Socialism either. As I’ve said several times in the past few weeks, Johnson is to be admired for parking his ideological baggage and doing the right thing...I would now say that at a high level, down at a detailed level there’s a bit too much ambiguity over essential work and where workers stand if their bosses are not playing ball regarding ensuring distancing, PPE provision etc. Ultimately tho even though I think he’s still doing a very very difficult job quite well, he will unfortunately and perhaps harshly be judged on the death rate. If we follow Italy’s curve, a lot of good will will very quickly evaporate.

Well you can because it's a national emergency so any economic and social decisions go beyond the political spectrum. At times like these left and right become pretty moot, neither matter.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 8:05 am

JAS. I think you are stretching things to claim funding a country through a crisis can acvtively be described as Socialism, more like necessity. Socialism is a political view and a choice. We have no choice whatsoever but to pour money in to get us through this, just like we did in WW1 and WW2. We aren't doing it because we've changed political stance, but because there is no other option. We didn't call WW1 or WW2 socialist governments or socialist policies. Why do it now?

I think it would be harsh to judge any leader of any country on the death rate. I don't think any leader in the world got criticised for the Flu deaths in 1918. I also don't think the comparison of two distant countries is very helpful either. Every country has different demographics, different travel systems, different behavioural customs, different housing situations etc. Can you really make a valid comparison when two coutnries are so different?
For example, Northern Italy is the main hub of the European fashion industry, and much of their produce will be made in China, the number of people going back and forth on business between the two countries probably infected thousands long before this was even really known about.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 9:45 am

beninho wrote:It's a political situation. Political parties still exist, and so what they do. It was a gathering for labour members anyway. Stop being snowflakes
Would take this more as you intend if I thought you'd react the same if situation reversed re. governing party and it were a Tory comment to Tory faithful...
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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 9:45 am

JAS wrote:Meanwhile Fat Mike takes a stance to highlight all that is wrong with a free market economy in a deep crisis, trying to claim Sports direct were essential in keeping the nation healthy... only trouble is Mr Ashley you’re not exactly a glowing example of your company’s wares being essential, more like optional, very very optional. Now why doesn’t he eff off and concentrate on making sure his zero hours contract staff are paid enough to keep them above the breadline like most responsible business owners are working with the govt to try and do.

I do hope if this crisis serves any purpose that it a) brings people together to heal the division Brexit created and b) shines a light on unscrupulous money grabbing sociopaths like Ashley.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 10:08 am

Talking about "unscrupulous": Is this happening in Britain?

At least seven US States have identified significant numbers of doctors "hoarding medications touted as coronavirus treatments by writing prescriptions for themselves and family members". All MAGA.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 11:24 am

kwinigolfer wrote:Talking about "unscrupulous": Is this happening in Britain?

At least seven US States have identified significant numbers of doctors "hoarding medications touted as coronavirus treatments by writing prescriptions for themselves and family members". All MAGA.

They'd be struck off. In the UK doctors can only write prescriptions for registered patients, not themselves, not their family.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 1:23 pm

Doubt it would be widespread in the UK. And as super said it would probably end up at the gmc if you were caught prescribing for yourself, friends or family.

Also there are currently no drugs for Covid. The Chinese have authorised some other anti viral medications to be repurposed but as yet nothing that has been through clinical trials. If it gets serious the symptoms are being treated rather than ridding you of covid virus. So what these doctors are hoarding is unclear.
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Post by JAS on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 1:40 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Talking about "unscrupulous": Is this happening in Britain?

At least seven US States have identified significant numbers of doctors "hoarding medications touted as coronavirus treatments by writing prescriptions for themselves and family members". All MAGA.

Deplorable for sure, but short term surely as it will all be over by Easter....we’ll according the the highly esteemed (by himself) leader of the Western world. Could this actually be Trumps undoing?

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Post by super_realist on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 1:42 pm

Don't think so Jas. Trump's made dozens of gaffes and the Americans are too stupid to notice and the opposition, as in the UK is completely hopeless

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Post by JAS on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 1:59 pm

super_realist wrote:Don't think so Jas. Trump's made dozens of gaffes and the Americans are too stupid to notice and the opposition, as in the UK is completely hopeless

I’m really not so sure super, he is/has been up until now a master of managing/creating news/fake news but he cannot, simply cannot wish this away by sticking his head in the sand.

Johnson should come out this with his credibility reasonably intact probably enhanced because he IS projecting that he really does want the best for the country, he may have made a mistake here or there but it’s easy (even for the likes of anti Tory me) to conclude that his intentions are genuinely for the best for the country.

For Trump, he’s shooting from the hip, in semi denial and the one eye that he has on November is blinding the other one that’s trying to assess what to do in the present. Those two things can’t continue to reconcile, when the body count rockets he’s in trouble, big trouble.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 2:03 pm

I think you underestimate how much Americans focus on the personality rather than the politics. What other country would elect someone with no experience at all in politics?
American politics is more about perception than it is about policies.


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Post by Soul Requiem on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 2:05 pm

American politics is about nothing more than the economy, that tanks and the President falls.

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Post by I'm never wrong on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 3:42 pm

What do you think about the Government allowing off licences to open Super? I know some people would deem them "necessary" but I only drink occasionally and wouldn't miss them if they were shut.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 3:47 pm

I drink very occasionally, but I don't see there being any harm in them being open providing the staff are safe. Some people can't seem to function without it and these are miserable times so anything which can bring a bit of fun isn't a bad idea. Certainly I'd rather they were open than Greggs or McDonald's.

Don't think I've bought anything out of an off licence for years and am not really aware of seeing them very often. Didn't most of them go to the wall?

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Post by westisbest on Wed 25 Mar 2020, 4:02 pm

I could eat a McDonald’s now

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