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Post by rapidringsroad on Thu 13 Feb 2020, 02:21

Anyone interested in this fight or have they lost interest in boxing altogether? I'm keen to hear the views of posters on this Forum, as I'm sure there will be various predictions to how the fight will end. My feelings are, even though I thought Fury won their first encounter, I think Wilder will think "he didn't hurt me last time so he won't hurt this time" and go all out for a knockout. What do the rest of you think?

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Post by lfc91 on Thu 13 Feb 2020, 09:05

Lately I have lost interest in boxing. Think years of the best avoiding the best/the multitude of belts and "world champions" has finally started to take its toll. However you can't argue with this fight, 2 of the best heavyweights going head to head is definitely a fight I can get excited about.

Think it will be very similar to the first fight. Fury outboxing him and Wilder looking for the big shot. Prediction is Fury UD with him avoiding the canvas completely this time around.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Thu 13 Feb 2020, 23:18

Wilder may want to rely too much on the one-shot stoppage as he did against Ortiz. He practically lost every round in that fight until Ortiz got sloppy. Fury has boxing ability plus he's really awkward so it won't be so easy.

I think Fury spoils his way to UD and Wilder gets very upset in the post-fight interview.

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Post by Noble-Surfer on Fri 14 Feb 2020, 13:06

lfc91 wrote:Think it will be very similar to the first fight. Fury outboxing him and Wilder looking for the big shot. Prediction is Fury UD with him avoiding the canvas completely this time around.

Mr Bounce wrote:Wilder may want to rely too much on the one-shot stoppage as he did against Ortiz. He practically lost every round in that fight until Ortiz got sloppy. Fury has boxing ability plus he's really awkward so it won't be so easy.

I think Fury spoils his way to UD and Wilder gets very upset in the post-fight interview.

Agree with both of these posts, plus Fury was definitely not in the best condition physically before the first fight, and (probably) not in the best condition mentally either, after 3 years out of the ring living a bit of a crazy lifestyle...

I thought he won the first fight despite the two knockdowns- felt he was in complete control of the ring. Likelihood is he will be better prepared for this fight, so I think he'll be able to avoid/ negate Wilder's big punch, and for all his talk of needing a knockout- I think that's just in hope of distracting Wilder. Comfortable UD for Fury.

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Post by lfc91 on Sat 15 Feb 2020, 10:16

Although the question is, how dominant would Fury need to be to actually receive the decision on the cards. From memory the general consensus last time was that Fury won the fight. But for obvious reasons the draw was returned on the cards. A 12 round shut out might be required to secure a tight SD on the cards....

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Post by Noble-Surfer on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 08:17

If Wilder hadn't scored the two knockdowns in the first fight, you'd have to assume the decision would have gone Fury's way, right? Fury was out after the second knockdown, but still beat the count- so that must have played a large part in awarding the draw.

Fury may well be even more dominant this time round, but I don't think he necessarily needs to be, in order to get the win. He just(!) needs to avoid getting tagged by a big right from Wilder. Ignore the two knockdowns from the first fight, and there's no way you get anything other than a UD for Fury, right?!

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Post by TwisT on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 09:11

Noble-Surfer wrote:If Wilder hadn't scored the two knockdowns in the first fight, you'd have to assume the decision would have gone Fury's way, right? Fury was out after the second knockdown, but still beat the count- so that must have played a large part in awarding the draw.

Fury may well be even more dominant this time round, but I don't think he necessarily needs to be, in order to get the win. He just(!) needs to avoid getting tagged by a big right from Wilder. Ignore the two knockdowns from the first fight, and there's no way you get anything other than a UD for Fury, right?!

Does that mean Fury's assertion that he is going to knock out Wilder all smoke and mirrors, or is that a possibility if Wilder steams in early, gets complacent and then gets tagged?

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Post by Noble-Surfer on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 10:05

TwisT wrote:    
Noble-Surfer wrote:
   If Wilder hadn't scored the two knockdowns in the first fight, you'd have to assume the decision would have gone Fury's way, right? Fury was out after the second knockdown, but still beat the count- so that must have played a large part in awarding the draw.

   Fury may well be even more dominant this time round, but I don't think he necessarily needs to be, in order to get the win. He just(!) needs to avoid getting tagged by a big right from Wilder. Ignore the two knockdowns from the first fight, and there's no way you get anything other than a UD for Fury, right?!


Does that mean Fury's assertion that he is going to knock out Wilder all smoke and mirrors, or is that a possibility if Wilder steams in early, gets complacent and then gets tagged?

I guess it's always a possibility, but I certainly don't expect Fury to come in looking for the knockout.

Noble-Surfer wrote:I thought he won the first fight despite the two knockdowns- felt he was in complete control of the ring. Likelihood is he will be better prepared for this fight, so I think he'll be able to avoid/ negate Wilder's big punch, and for all his talk of needing a knockout- I think that's just in hope of distracting Wilder. Comfortable UD for Fury.

As I alluded to in my earlier post, I expect Fury's gameplan this time round to be largely the same as it was in the first fight- with the emphasis on ensuring he keeps full concentration throughout the fight- and avoiding any big right-hands from Wilder. If it all goes Fury's way, and he manages the fight successfully, landing on Wilder at will, and avoiding anything meaningful in return, I guess he could go looking for a late stoppage, but I'm not expecting that. If Wilder has any fear of Fury's power/ getting knocked out, it might make him more cautious, and less likely to throw those wild bombs- which would play perfectly to Fury's gameplan from their first fight.

Of course, I could be completely wrong, and Fury does go looking for the knockout from the first bell...

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Post by TwisT on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 10:34

Just a slight deviation from the topic, but what sort of Tyson win would mean a straight Joshua v Fury bout next?

Because I can't see there not being a 3rd fight, unless Tyson does what he says and knocks Wilder out early. Even then you could argue Wilder deserves a chance to a rematch straight away (like Joshua did with Ruiz)

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 10:44

Joshua needs Fury more than vice versa after his two embarrassing fights with the lottery winning slob...

Joshua vs Stiff has limited mileage even with the loyal British supporters who would pay £20 to watch Joshua vs the local butcher.....Hearn knows it..

Fury beats Wilder he should ask for 60/40..

However 12 rounds is a long time and as Fury boxed a clinic last time and ended up on his backside you have to think a less 'Naive' Wilder will be better prepared....

Can Fury improve on his last performance ??..No

Can Wilder ??...Yes.

Wilder by Ko...

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Post by Soul Requiem on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 10:51

Can an overweight and unprepared Fury improve? Yes
Can a no ability slugger Wilder improve? No

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 11:12

We'll see...

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Post by melv500 on Mon 17 Feb 2020, 15:48

I find this a hard fight to call. Both fighters you would think will be better prepared. Fury physically and Wilder being better prepared for Fury’s style.

I am leaning towards Wilder KO. Fury didn’t look great in his last fight and got bust up a bit. So is he going to be that much better? Wilder although not the best chin didn’t have much issue with fury’s punches so fancy him to gamble more and get to him by 8th.

Having said all that I wouldn't touch this fight at the bookies with a barge pole.

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Post by Noble-Surfer on Tue 18 Feb 2020, 08:02

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:However 12 rounds is a long time and as Fury boxed a clinic last time and ended up on his backside you have to think a less 'Naive' Wilder will be better prepared....

Can Fury improve on his last performance ??..No

Can Wilder ??...Yes.

Wilder by Ko...

Improvements I think Fury can make:

- Fitness/ conditioning: I think this is the main improvement Fury can & will have made since their first fight. Although he's never going to have the physique of Anthony Joshua, he's clearly a natural athlete. But there's no doubt he wasn't in great shape for their first fight- a couple of years out of the ring, living a wild lifestyle which involved substance abuse- never going to leave you in the best state physically, let alone mentally. Assuming he is preparing well for this fight in terms of training & lifestyle, you would expect a significant improvement on what was already very good in their first fight (despite the flabby appearance).

- Strength/ power: Possibly the area Fury is weakest on (pun intended)..? I would expect this to be improved as it takes time to build up strength & power- and he has had the time to do this in preparation for this fight. While I do think there's a bit of gamesmanship going on with his claims that he's going to knock Wilder out, I would also expect him to have improved this aspect, and expect a bit more venom in his punches. Although I doubt he'll ever have that one punch knockout power, this is something that you can learn/ build through training, and can improve significantly on.

- Strategy: While I expect Fury to largely implement the same gameplan/ strategy, I also expect him to have added a few tricks/ ideas to his arsenal since the first fight, to keep Wilder guessing, and wouldn't be surprised to see him switching between a few strategies during the fight.

Improvements I think Wilder can make:

- Strategy: Wilder's strategy is to land that monster right however and whenever he can... Don't know that he has the ability to do anything differently, but then I guess he hasn't needed to so far. But if Fury manages to avoid/ negate that this time round, I don't see what else Wilder has that can trouble him. Wilder may be less naive this time in that he will be ready for Fury's movement & awkward style, but I don't know how much he can actually do to combat it...?


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Post by TwisT on Tue 18 Feb 2020, 09:54

From BBC Sport, Fury has been quoted as saying:

"Wilder can't beat me on points, it's not possible. This is Las Vegas, not Los Angeles."

Whereas I can see where he is coming from, if Wilder keeps knocking him down during the fight then he is going to lose rounds regardless of how slick he is. If there was a 3rd knock down in one of the other rounds, then Wilder would have won.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Tue 18 Feb 2020, 12:00

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Joshua needs Fury more than vice versa after his two embarrassing fights with the lottery winning slob...

Joshua vs Stiff has limited mileage even with the loyal British supporters who would pay £20 to watch Joshua vs the local butcher.....Hearn knows it..

Fury beats Wilder he should ask for 60/40..

However 12 rounds is a long time and as Fury boxed a clinic last time and ended up on his backside you have to think a less 'Naive' Wilder will be better prepared....

Can Fury improve on his last performance ??..No

Can Wilder ??...Yes.

Wilder by Ko...

Ahh Truss you never change. Why don't you think a ringy rusty, overweight and you could even argue under prepared Fury improve?
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Post by No name Bertie on Tue 18 Feb 2020, 13:43

In the last fight between them one judge scored it 115-111 to Wilder which means without the two knockdowns that judge would have scored the fight evens.

In terms of conditioning Fury should be a lot better since they last met, in terms of knowledge Wilder should be much better since they last met.  

Fury has to avoid being hit flush with a Wilder sleepmaker and to do that he needs to carry sufficient threat and weight with his own punches.  Fury's last fight against Otto Wallin was not that impressive and that is one of the reasons why he changed trainers for this fight, but Fury also has to be motivated for the fight and maybe he wasn't so much against Wallin.

Judging by the way Deontay Wilder handled the dangerous cuban Luis Ortiz second time round, he showed improvement - he wasn't hurt and knocked him out sooner.

I make the knockout artist Deontay Wilder favorite for this fight.  Kudos to Tyson Fury for yet again going into Wilder's backyard for the fight.

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Post by Soul Requiem on Tue 18 Feb 2020, 14:02

No name Bertie wrote:In the last fight between them one judge scored it 115-111 to Wilder which means without the two knockdowns that judge would have scored the fight evens.

In terms of conditioning Fury should be a lot better since they last met, in terms of knowledge Wilder should be much better since they last met.  

Fury has to avoid being hit flush with a Wilder sleepmaker and to do that he needs to carry sufficient threat and weight with his own punches.  Fury's last fight against Otto Wallin was not that impressive and that is one of the reasons why he changed trainers for this fight, but Fury also has to be motivated for the fight and maybe he wasn't so much against Wallin.

Judging by the way Deontay Wilder handled the dangerous cuban Luis Ortiz second time round, he showed improvement - he wasn't hurt and knocked him out sooner.

I make the knockout artist Deontay Wilder favorite for this fight.  Kudos to Tyson Fury for yet again going into Wilder's backyard for the fight.

How so with regards to the judging?

The second point is that Ortiz was in more command during the second fight than he was the first, he was undone by one hail mary shot.

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Post by melv500 on Tue 18 Feb 2020, 15:06

Soul Requiem wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:In the last fight between them one judge scored it 115-111 to Wilder which means without the two knockdowns that judge would have scored the fight evens.

In terms of conditioning Fury should be a lot better since they last met, in terms of knowledge Wilder should be much better since they last met.  

Fury has to avoid being hit flush with a Wilder sleepmaker and to do that he needs to carry sufficient threat and weight with his own punches.  Fury's last fight against Otto Wallin was not that impressive and that is one of the reasons why he changed trainers for this fight, but Fury also has to be motivated for the fight and maybe he wasn't so much against Wallin.

Judging by the way Deontay Wilder handled the dangerous cuban Luis Ortiz second time round, he showed improvement - he wasn't hurt and knocked him out sooner.

I make the knockout artist Deontay Wilder favorite for this fight.  Kudos to Tyson Fury for yet again going into Wilder's backyard for the fight.

How so with regards to the judging?

The second point is that Ortiz was in more command during the second fight than he was the first, he was undone by one hail mary shot.

One hail mary seems a bit harsh. Two jabs, then a pause then left and big right. Timed beautifully and right on the money.

Nobdy expected Wilder to outbox Ortiz, just to try and land a big shot which he did and did very well. The same for Fury, nobdy is epxecting Wilder to out box but to try and land the big shot.

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Post by Derbymanc Yesterday at 09:40

It's an interesting match up this as Fury has clearly shown he has the skill to bamboozle the limited Wilder. Think Wilders only chance is the knockout and if Fury is smart he can just keep away and potshot him all night. The biggest problem is that Wilder saw Fury get up from THAT punch which may be a big dent to his confidence. Hopefully gonna watch it but we'll see :-)

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