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Post by JDandfries on Tue 28 Jun 2011, 3:00 pm

So after blowing the best part of £80m on three unproven players, it looks as though KK is now closing in on a deal for £10m for another relatively unproven player..... Charlie Adam.

Adma will be yet another midfielder to add to the squad, in addition to

Gerrard
Lucas
Poulson
Aquilani
Henderson
Kuyt
Cole
Maxi
Shelvey
Merieles...... have I missed any?

So, simple questions

[/list] Is Kenny focussing on the right area of the team?
Has he bought the right players?
Has he got good value?
Where should he strengthen next?

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Post by sodhat on Tue 28 Jun 2011, 3:32 pm

I think that the midfield lacked quality and with Gerrard being particularly injury hit of late, I don't think depth hurts.

Merieles is supposedly on his way now and the same for Aquilani and potentially Cole if anyone would pay his wages! So I don't think it's overstocked and the balance is pretty good too.

Adam is unproven to an extent, but not in whether he can play in the PL, rather does he have the longevity to play like he did in his first year -- and I think he does.

An obvious area for me is the defence; full backs and perhaps some cover at CB would be wise. But particularly the full backs!

I think Liverpool have a good enough squad to look up the league this year, and challenge for a top four place, and no europe means fresher legs...

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Post by Fernando on Tue 28 Jun 2011, 3:37 pm

they also need a forward

if 1 or suarez and carroll get injured they've got no one else if n'gog goes to sunderland as expected. could possibly move kuyt upfront but he seems happier on the wing


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Post by Crimey on Tue 28 Jun 2011, 4:48 pm

I'm not convinced we are, but I trust Kenny in his decisions. I think he obviously will have a plan in place, but we certainly seem centre heavy, and I'm dissapointed that it looks like Meireles is leaving, he was a very good player for us last year and I'm not sure Henderson can fill his boots, and Adam is a different kind of player. I'm worried that we're going to force Lucas out of the side which would be very dissapointed considering how much he was improved.

I think fullbacks are definetly priority, particuarly left back, unless Insua is staying, in which case I'd still get rid of Aurelio as his injury problems out weight his talent, and bring in someone different. Robinson is not good enough to be our main cover this early in his career.

I think then next on the agenda should be a winger or wingers, but I think they may be too expensive for us to get any decent wingers in, and we may end up playing predominantly through the centre, which seems strange considering how effective Carroll would be with wingers.

Then cover for centre backs would be nice, although not essential.

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Post by kultschar on Tue 28 Jun 2011, 11:47 pm

Very concerned about the lack of offloading. We are being linked with everybody under the sun but I would just as much like to see a good 8 players in our squad (mentioned above) being linked with moves. However I think this shows how much mediocre some players are in our squad from Rafa and Roy eras.

Somebody totalled up some of these 6 players the other day with valuations I would agree with and they didnt even cover the cost for Henderson. Even the lower teams are not interested in the likes of Ngog and we will never recoup money spent on Aquaman and will prob take an 8 million hit (equates to Charlie Adam fee most likely) if we are lucky to offload him hence I feel the last 4 years we really have prob wasted money big time that we will never get back. To be honest I would love to see Aquaman given another chance now he is fit but im sure his heart wont be in it.

Still not 100% convinced with Carrol due to the outlay, Jay Boothroyd prob has just as much potential (in fact more of a proven goal scorer) and he could be had on a free, I hope we do put in a bid for the Ipswich kid or get Boothroyd, he looks the business and would be great on the bench or oust Carrol






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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Wed 29 Jun 2011, 11:27 am

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Post by sodhat on Wed 29 Jun 2011, 11:32 am

Looks like Wickham is off to Sunderland, which is a shame. I would have liked to have seen him at Liverpool and he seemed a perfect fit with the penchant for young English players coming in.

Imagine how much he could progress learning from Dalglish too... I still hope Liverpool launch a shock raid for him.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed 29 Jun 2011, 12:16 pm

Well he's buying young English talent...which is a good thing, but means they pay over the odds.

Carrol's deal has been questioned, but i truely believe he and Suarez will make a quite awesome front line.

Henderson is a curious one, as i dont think he was totally consistent at Sunderland...and £20m is lot when you consider a proven premiership star and england player Young went for £17m.....
......but we shall see.

As for Charlie Adam i think he is a cracking player...and has proven (maybe only for 1 year) that he can not only handle the premiership...but also do well in it.

He has a little bit of bite aswell, which is handy. Good signing.

Meirelles is off to Juve isnt he? How much for?

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Post by Kenny on Wed 29 Jun 2011, 5:50 pm

With regards to midfield being overloaded i can not see Poulson , Meireles , Aquilani or Cole being at Anfield next season so trust in Kenny over Adam and Diego, plus Shelvey is suppose to be going to Blackpool on loan .
Cole to Spurs as part of a deal for Lennon wouldnt surprise me .

Heard from my mate that the reason we did not bid for Wickham is we are in talks with Sergio Auguero i kid you not .

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Post by liverbnz on Thu 30 Jun 2011, 11:06 am

Seems we are going to miss out on Clichy as well.

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Post by sodhat on Thu 30 Jun 2011, 12:04 pm

KINGKENNY7HEAVEN wrote:With regards to midfield being overloaded i can not see Poulson , Meireles , Aquilani or Cole being at Anfield next season so trust in Kenny over Adam and Diego, plus Shelvey is suppose to be going to Blackpool on loan .
Cole to Spurs as part of a deal for Lennon wouldnt surprise me .

Heard from my mate that the reason we did not bid for Wickham is we are in talks with Sergio Auguero i kid you not .


Jeez, seems like Fenway are putting their money where their mouth is! I hope it's their money and not the banks though. We don't need another traditional power up to it's eyes in debts.

Aguero would be an epic signing -- heard he was off to Real, but seems like they are after Neymar instead.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 30 Jun 2011, 12:17 pm

Auguero and Suarezz ...is some serious firepower....plus Carrol rampaging about.

They would just need better suppliers.

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Post by JDandfries on Thu 30 Jun 2011, 1:42 pm

Ageuro..... DREAM ON!!

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Post by dublfcynwa on Thu 30 Jun 2011, 2:10 pm

Premier league..... DREAM ON!!
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Post by JDandfries on Thu 30 Jun 2011, 2:13 pm

dublfcynwa wrote:Premier league..... DREAM ON!!


What is your point?? 🤦

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Post by Forward Pass on Thu 30 Jun 2011, 3:09 pm

I think Suarez & Carrol for an injured Torres was good business
Henderson altough promising was way overpriced
£10mil for Adam is about right
Agree you need to move on at least 3 or 4 average squad players
So on the whole moving in the right direction
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Post by AberdeenSteve on Thu 30 Jun 2011, 5:25 pm

dublfcynwa wrote:Premier league..... DREAM ON!!

I so badly hope that you eat your words at the end of next season Very Happy

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Post by Mark2011 on Thu 30 Jun 2011, 8:35 pm

I think Charlie Adam is a bit over rated. I think the main reason for this is that he performed well last season in a average team, and i doubt he could replicate that success at Liverpool next season.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Fri 01 Jul 2011, 9:56 am

Mark2011 wrote:I think Charlie Adam is a bit over rated. I think the main reason for this is that he performed well last season in a average team, and i doubt he could replicate that success at Liverpool next season.

Players usually push on when they play in a better team. He would be taking certain free kicks and corners aswell like at Blackpool.

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Post by Kenny on Sun 03 Jul 2011, 11:34 am

sodhat wrote:
KINGKENNY7HEAVEN wrote:With regards to midfield being overloaded i can not see Poulson , Meireles , Aquilani or Cole being at Anfield next season so trust in Kenny over Adam and Diego, plus Shelvey is suppose to be going to Blackpool on loan .
Cole to Spurs as part of a deal for Lennon wouldnt surprise me .

Heard from my mate that the reason we did not bid for Wickham is we are in talks with Sergio Auguero i kid you not .


Jeez, seems like Fenway are putting their money where their mouth is! I hope it's their money and not the banks though. We don't need another traditional power up to it's eyes in debts.

Aguero would be an epic signing -- heard he was off to Real, but seems like they are after Neymar instead.

Apparantly we have made approaches for upto a dozen players and are awaiting for their clubs to either accept or reject bids , some look like they are going elsewhere ie Clichy .
Im glad we have alternative targets and are not just looking at 1 or 2 options .
The squad quality needs to be strengthened in all areas so as long as thats being looked at i will be happy .
Fenway have said criteria is players of certain age for now and the future , plus there will be departures which will boost spending .
People may question approaches for Aguero or Eto but there will be a Big signing coming in before the start of the season the question is who , and with the way Kenny likes to do business we probably wont find out until they are all but signed .
Fenway seem committed to building the whole club so lets hope were on the right track with them , they re defo better then the other 2 yanks .
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Post by braveheart101 on Sun 03 Jul 2011, 12:23 pm

KINGKENNY7HEAVEN wrote:Im glad we have alternative targets and are not just looking at 1 or 2 options .
The squad quality needs to be strengthened in all areas so as long as thats being looked at i will be happy .
Fenway have said criteria is players of certain age for now and the future , plus there will be departures which will boost spending .
People may question approaches for Aguero or Eto but there will be a Big signing coming in before the start of the season the question is who , and with the way Kenny likes to do business we probably wont find out until they are all but signed .
Fenway seem committed to building the whole club so lets hope were on the right track with them , they re defo better then the other 2 yanks .
Didn't Fenway say they want to build a young team? If so surely that will rule out any bid for Eto and as for Aguero as much as I'd like to see him at Anfield I think we will be outbid by the likes of Man City or Chelsea.

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Post by Kenny on Sun 03 Jul 2011, 5:13 pm

braveheart101 wrote:
KINGKENNY7HEAVEN wrote:Im glad we have alternative targets and are not just looking at 1 or 2 options .
The squad quality needs to be strengthened in all areas so as long as thats being looked at i will be happy .
Fenway have said criteria is players of certain age for now and the future , plus there will be departures which will boost spending .
People may question approaches for Aguero or Eto but there will be a Big signing coming in before the start of the season the question is who , and with the way Kenny likes to do business we probably wont find out until they are all but signed .
Fenway seem committed to building the whole club so lets hope were on the right track with them , they re defo better then the other 2 yanks .
Didn't Fenway say they want to build a young team? If so surely that will rule out any bid for Eto and as for Aguero as much as I'd like to see him at Anfield I think we will be outbid by the likes of Man City or Chelsea.

I think Eto would be an exception i know Fenway have said younger players are the goal but you also need experience aswell ,plus his agent has touted him around and he wants to come to England but he also wants to play every week which imo is ruling out a lot of teams .

As for Aguero according to the spanish press he is trying to get his buyout clause reduced to 32 million by forgoing his percentage of any transfer , so if we can spend 35 mill on Carroll i cant see why we couldnt afford that for Aguero.

Its all ifs and buts and we all have opinions which is what makes the transfer window exciting .

Personally id rather spend big on other areas of the team , Cahill would be my pick and also Dann alongside him . Lennon , Diego in midfield plus Adam looks nailed on ,as for up front id like Shane Long from Reading not a big name but he scores goals and is used to english football.
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Post by jro786 on Tue 05 Jul 2011, 11:08 am

I think mata on the right or left would be ideal and adam in the centre with lucas or spearing in centre mid

ngog could go and also mavinga

i heard cole could join qpr
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Post by septimus_red on Tue 05 Jul 2011, 7:29 pm

My first post so be gentle Very Happy

In my opinion we are not being realistic in terms what we can get.
Clichy & young choose CL clubs over us and although we are a big draw the reality is we are not in Europe.

I have no idea what Kenny is doing in trying for Charlie Adam when in my opinion we have a wealth of strength in the central area in Gerrard ,Meriles, Lucas and a good supporting castes in Spearing and added to that Aquillani was NEVER given an extended run in that area after his injury.

We all know who should leave and I'm not even going to name them as it's been done to death.
The only thing that maybe happening that we are not aware of is Kenny seeing the players in the youth setup coming through in the likes or Sterling Amoo,Silva ,Coady etc and is going to use them as well.

That said we are weak on the flanks and short in backup attack if Suarez gets injured.
I will honestly say that Carroll is a worry for me I just don't think he will deliver as many expect.

We as fans need to manage our expectation of the signings and where we can finish.
That way it will be a nice surprise should we do better!


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Post by dyrewolfe on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 4:23 pm

As a neutral (being a supporter of a Championship club) who likes Liverpool and has supported them in their recent European campaigns, I have to say I'm surprised by Kenny's acquisitions (or at least the sums involved).

As a club that were, until recently, regarded as one of the Big 4 and perennial Champions League contenders, I would have thought Dalgleish would be after players with European / title-winning pedigrees. I'm sure he could have bought some, given the prices he's been paying.

I would have expected the players he HAS bought to be bit-part squad players.

As I said, Liverpool (and Arsenal) are my favourite Premier League clubs, but it seems to be both have had the same problem for a few seasons now - replacing their outgoing star players with ones of equal or better quality.

I'd love to see both clubs mounting serious title challenges, but on the evidence so far, I can't see it happening. Will be happy to be proved wrong though.
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Post by Kenny on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 5:37 pm

I just get the feeling that Kenny is trying to build a squad of players that are better then what was there when he took over . There is also the new rule regarding foriegn players coming in .
I think its not a quick fix its an ongoing rebuilding process to enable us to have a squad capable of competing for all honours now and in the future ..
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Post by Dx Dan. on Thu 07 Jul 2011, 9:18 pm

You have paid well over the odds for Carroll and Henderson, and it looks like you're about to do the same with Downing.

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Post by Crimey on Fri 08 Jul 2011, 6:40 am

Dx Dan. wrote:You have paid well over the odds for Carroll and Henderson, and it looks like you're about to do the same with Downing.

However, that doesn't address the question of whether these are the right players. We may have overpaid for them, but it doesn't necesarily mean they won't improve the team in the areas needed.

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Post by JDandfries on Fri 08 Jul 2011, 1:42 pm

The point of overpaying, would suggest that you could get equal if not better players for less or the same money.

But no, it doesnt address whether they are the right players!

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Post by Kenny on Fri 08 Jul 2011, 11:40 pm

Rumour on a Liverpool message board of a potential swap with Spurs

Joe Cole plus 5 million for Roman Pavlyuchenko

read something similar on skysports rumour board aswell
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