English major winners.

Since 1950 England has produced 3 major winners, one of whom i had never heard of. I did not realise that we had such a rubbish record in the majors. Based on this, why such the expectation and disapointment when we do not do well.

If you need to ask the question you'd probably have some difficulty understanding the responses and opinions.

Expectation: because the English golfers do well in a lot of tour events outside of the majors and some are quite highly rated even outside England.

Failure: Mental game. It would appear that some of the better players such as Westwood don't have the bottle to close out majors due to the added pressure.

leinsterbaby wrote:Failure: Mental game. It would appear that some of the better players such as Westwood don't have the bottle to close out majors due to the added pressure.

Maybe. But with respect, that's just conjecture. Your evidence is?

leinsterbaby wrote:Expectation: because the English golfers do well in a lot of tour events outside of the majors and some are quite highly rated even outside England.

Failure: Mental game. It would appear that some of the better players such as Westwood don't have the bottle to close out majors due to the added pressure.

Most insightful post that I've seen from you and I agree. Makes the offence that you took to some ridiculous posts and consequent offensive posts that you dished out seem pointless when you clearly have an understanding of the game.

navyblueshorts wrote:

leinsterbaby wrote:Failure: Mental game. It would appear that some of the better players such as Westwood don't have the bottle to close out majors due to the added pressure.

Maybe. But with respect, that's just conjecture. Your evidence is?

I base this opinion on the fact that Lee Westwood for example is an incredibly talented golfer and has manoeuvred himself into position to win numerous majors including leading a few but has as yet failed to close one out. My conclusion and as you pointed out it cannot be definitively proven, is that this is because he has not learned to deal with the considerable pressure that comes with winning a major.

I think it's a very valid question, and one I'd love to here some proper answers to. England should have more than 3 major winners in 60 odd years (is this correct?), and I can only assume what the problem may be. Grass roots golf? Coaching? Mentality?

leinsterbaby wrote:Expectation: because the English golfers do well in a lot of tour events outside of the majors and some are quite highly rated even outside England.

Failure: Mental game. It would appear that some of the better players such as Westwood don't have the bottle to close out majors due to the added pressure.

The first sensible post i've seen from you chap and i actually agree with all possibly aside from the LW bottle bit.
The expectation bit is right though. Why can these guys do well on tour relatively regularly but struggle in the majors.

Interestingly, Beninho, - re Max Faulkner (who i'm assuming is the one you've never heard of), i read a thing about him and apparently he was quite the Ian Poulter of his day. In terms of dress sense that is!

MustPuttBetter wrote:

leinsterbaby wrote:Expectation: because the English golfers do well in a lot of tour events outside of the majors and some are quite highly rated even outside England.

Failure: Mental game. It would appear that some of the better players such as Westwood don't have the bottle to close out majors due to the added pressure.

The first sensible post i've seen from you chap and i actually agree with all possibly aside from the LW bottle bit.
The expectation bit is right though. Why can these guys do well on tour relatively regularly but struggle in the majors.

Interestingly, Beninho, - re Max Faulkner (who i'm assuming is the one you've never heard of), i read a thing about him and apparently he was quite the Ian Poulter of his day. In terms of dress sense that is!

Because you agree with it doesn't make it any more sensible. I think the point of a forum is to give your opinion. Matters little to me if you agree with me or not.

The fact that your post was sensible and i agree with it are quite serperate.
It is not sensible because i agree.

Furthermore, whether or not it matters to you whether i agree, in fact, matters little to me.
The point of a forum is to read what others have written and contribute from there. As i did based on your contribution.
How much that matters to you matters little to me.

MustPuttBetter wrote:The fact that your post was sensible and i agree with it are quite serperate.
It is not sensible because i agree.

Furthermore, whether or not it matters to you whether i agree, in fact, matters little to me.
The point of a forum is to read what others have written and contribute from there. As i did based on your contribution.
How much that matters to you matters little to me.

Think you should get a prize for most pointless post.

How many times has Westwood really been in contention during the final round though? I know he's finished as runner up a few times, but I thought it was more a case of best of the rest rather than challenging for the win.

I don't recall any occasions of him being in a winning position and then failing to close out by his own poor play (unlike for example Monty, who was one good iron shot from claiming a US Open title) - it's more been a case of someone being better on the day. I think Monty's failures had a cumulative effect, and the pressure of being the 'best player never to win a major' probably added up to make it more and more difficult for him actually to close out a major win. I don't think (yet) that Westwood or Donald are into this mindset - they just need to keep playing well in the tournaments that suit them (Loooook is not a particularly good player of links courses in bad weather, so his chances at the Open will never be great), and one week they'll possibly come out ahead.

What you think matters little to me

http://www.golfmagic.com/news/images/faulkner01.jpg

All in pink, Max Faulkner was the man, bet he set the forums wild with that dress sense.

Ricky fowler is clearly a traditionalist for the old days in all the same colour!

MustPuttBetter wrote:What you think matters little to me

That's a pity cause I was hoping we could be friends.

leinsterbaby wrote: That's a pity cause I was hoping we could be friends.

Oh, i'm devastated.
Is being friends the point of a forum? Probably not. Luckily for you

I award you one smiley

I don't hand these out very often so dont get too used to it.

I'll try not to
I'm uncomfortable with it already

Unlike to English football team, it is fair too expect good results from the golfers. 3 major winners are too little, but I'm confident we will see a few more in the coming years.

Unlike the..

Could someone point out to me the 'Major' that Westwood bottled because I can't see for looking?