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Post by ncfc_Tooze Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:28 pm

amy winehouse has been found dead, expected to be an overdose,
source sky news and twitter

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Post by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:31 pm

How old was she?

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Post by ncfc_Tooze Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:32 pm

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Post by The Galveston Giant Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:33 pm

Crazy.
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Post by The Galveston Giant Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:35 pm

Any links? thanks, can't find anything.
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Post by The Galveston Giant Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:36 pm

It's on Sky news now.
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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:45 pm

Singer Amy Winehouse, 27, has been found dead at her home, the Press Association has reported.

Last month, the north Londoner pulled out of her European tour after she was jeered at her comeback gig in Serbia for appearing too drunk to perform.

For 90 minutes, she mumbled through parts of songs and at times left the stage - leaving her band to fill in.

The troubled singer had a long battle with drink and drugs which overshadowed her musical career in recent years.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman confirmed that a 27-year-old woman had died in Camden and that the cause of death was as yet unexplained.

London Ambulance Service had been called to the flat at 1554 BST and sent two ambulances but the woman died, it said.

Ah well, one less skaghead in the world.

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Post by sodhat Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:48 pm

Inevitable.

How is Doherty still going though?

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Post by Cari Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:51 pm

Sodhat - he's in prison (or just got out).

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Post by The Galveston Giant Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:52 pm

Docherty is a proper waste of space though where as Amy is a waste of talent, it's took years for him to be jailed.
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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:53 pm

Hopefully Doherty won't be far behind.

Isn't he being investigated by the police in connection with a murder?

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Post by Cari Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:55 pm

Galveston I have to disagree on AW being a huge talent. Her first album Frank is absolute dross compared to Back to Black, and that album's success is down to Mark Ronson's production. I don't think she'd have ever topped that album without him at the helm.

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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 5:58 pm

Agree with you Cari. Ronson put her on the map.

She's more famous for her love of drugs and complete lack of respect for herself than she is her music.

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Post by Adam D Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:04 pm

She is still someones daughter though, and adored by fans. A little respect for their feelings at this time would have been nice.

Although I wasnt a fan, I don't think I would be so upfront with criticism at this raw moment.

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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:06 pm

Why?

She's a disgrace to her family. And her fans.

Unless her parents subscribe to v2 i couldn't personally give a hoot.

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Post by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:20 pm

Clarke James wrote:Why?

She's a disgrace to her family. And her fans.

Unless her parents subscribe to v2 i couldn't personally give a hoot.

Did she ever actually hurt anybody?

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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:24 pm

FreekShow wrote:
Clarke James wrote:Why?

She's a disgrace to her family. And her fans.

Unless her parents subscribe to v2 i couldn't personally give a hoot.

Did she ever actually hurt anybody?

Where did i say she hurt anyone? You don't have to hurt someone to be a disgrace.

She openly publicised her drug use, trying to make it seem cool to her fans, some of which were young and impressionable. She may of had 'some' talent, but as a person she deserves no sympathy what so ever. She had plenty of chances to turn her life around, and she chose not to.

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Post by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:25 pm

FreekShow wrote:
Clarke James wrote:Why?

She's a disgrace to her family. And her fans.

Unless her parents subscribe to v2 i couldn't personally give a hoot.

Did she ever actually hurt anybody?

Didn't she smack a fan at Glasto a couple of years back? Wink

Wouldn't like to slag her off so soon after he death, but people must have expected her to die young due to th abuse of alcohol and drugs. She had some talent but chose the waste her time with the wrong people and substances.

Feel sorry for her family though.

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Post by The Galveston Giant Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:26 pm

Cari wrote:Galveston I have to disagree on AW being a huge talent. Her first album Frank is absolute dross compared to Back to Black, and that album's success is down to Mark Ronson's production. I don't think she'd have ever topped that album without him at the helm.

True Cari but if she wasn't talented then he wouldn't have bothered and nobody would have bought the album, my comment was more in terms of her compared to Docherty, i didn't say she was a huge talent though.


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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:27 pm

Churchill wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Clarke James wrote:Why?

She's a disgrace to her family. And her fans.

Unless her parents subscribe to v2 i couldn't personally give a hoot.

Did she ever actually hurt anybody?

Didn't she smack a fan at Glasto a couple of years back? Wink

Wouldn't like to slag her off so soon after he death, but people must have expected her to die young due to th abuse of alcohol and drugs. She had some talent but chose the waste her time with the wrong people and substances.

Feel sorry for her family though.

Don't feel sorry for her family either. Her 'husband' was a druggie and her Dad exploited her. He's probably gutted he can't sell his story to the News of the World.

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Post by Cari Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:27 pm

Although I don't agree with her lifestyle choices, we don't know what goes on in someone's mind, so we shouldn't judge her for that. What I am critical of, are the people who use terms like "troubled genius" to describe her. She was overrated, and I think perhaps some of that put pressure on her personally because people were expecting an amazing follow up to Back to Black from her.

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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:30 pm

Whilst you don't know someone's mind, i'm of the opinion that nobody is beyond help. She had plenty of chances to get back on the right track.

Her fans paid good money to see her and she repays them by turning up to a gig, smashed off her face and slurring her words for 90 minutes? She was quite happy for the paps to take pictures of her when she was boozing away. Happy to sell her story to them for 15 minutes of publicity.

I have no time for people like that. They don't deserve the column inches. Especially when you have 90+ innocent kids murdered in cold blood over in Norway.

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Post by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:31 pm

Cari- Partly blaming her abuse of alcohol/drugs on pressure from fans = Her own fans killed her! (Safety Wink )

CJ, I don't feel sorry for her husand because I'm pretty sure he's part of the reason she ended up as she did. But like hobo said, a mother has lost her daughter, and despite all the press around the family, it'll hurt them.

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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:33 pm

Churchy,

Her mother, in my opinion, was just as bad as her dad. They exploited her just as much as the press did. They didn't try and protect her.

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Post by Cari Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:34 pm

Churchill - I dont think it's the fans specifically but fame and success itself. She was exploited by her ex husband and her own father (he even tried to become a celebrity in his own right) which didn't help her.

CJ - like I said we don't know what goes on in people's minds so being in a position to afford help doesn't mean anything.

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Post by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:38 pm

Clarke James wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Clarke James wrote:Why?

She's a disgrace to her family. And her fans.

Unless her parents subscribe to v2 i couldn't personally give a hoot.

Did she ever actually hurt anybody?

Where did i say she hurt anyone? You don't have to hurt someone to be a disgrace.

She openly publicised her drug use, trying to make it seem cool to her fans, some of which were young and impressionable. She may of had 'some' talent, but as a person she deserves no sympathy what so ever. She had plenty of chances to turn her life around, and she chose not to.

Well I can't remember her ever stating 'I do drugs, it's cool' and if young people did develop a habit because of her publicised drug use then that says more about them in my opinion. To say she deserves no sympathy whatsover is a tad churlish. I am not so sure her parents looked upon their multiple grammy award winning daughter as a disgrace myself but hey why should any of us give a hoot!

Who's death are we expecting to celebrate next?

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Post by legendkillar Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:40 pm

What a waste of life. 27 is no age at all. Sympathy must go to her family.

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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:40 pm

Cari,

I get that, but she was offered it. People tried to get her to get clean. Even that waster of a husband begged her when he was behind bars, so what did she do? Hooked up with Pete Doherty. She chose to continue doing drugs. Not even pictures of her bleeding toenails where she injected herself could make her wanna change. She obviously wasn't that 'screwed' up if she could still conciously make music and go on tour. That's why i have little sympathy for the family. They saw those pictures. If it was my daughter, i would've done everything in my power to get her clean, even if it meant handcuffing myself to her 24 hours a day. Not sell my story and pictures to the press to become a celeb.

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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:41 pm

legendkillar wrote:What a waste of life. 27 is no age at all. Sympathy must go to her family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club

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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 6:41 pm

FreekShow wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Clarke James wrote:Why?

She's a disgrace to her family. And her fans.

Unless her parents subscribe to v2 i couldn't personally give a hoot.

Did she ever actually hurt anybody?

Where did i say she hurt anyone? You don't have to hurt someone to be a disgrace.

She openly publicised her drug use, trying to make it seem cool to her fans, some of which were young and impressionable. She may of had 'some' talent, but as a person she deserves no sympathy what so ever. She had plenty of chances to turn her life around, and she chose not to.

Well I can't remember her ever stating 'I do drugs, it's cool' and if young people did develop a habit because of her publicised drug use then that says more about them in my opinion. To say she deserves no sympathy whatsover is a tad churlish. I am not so sure her parents looked upon their multiple grammy award winning daughter as a disgrace myself but hey why should any of us give a hoot!

Who's death are we expecting to celebrate next?

I'm going with one of three....

Doherty
Lohan
Spears

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Post by GloucesterBear Sat 23 Jul 2011, 7:01 pm

Always sad that a musician of that calibre dies.

But it was on the cards for a while this proves what an addiction can do to you, god knows what she has took in her life but whatever she took has proved to be fatal.

RIP
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Post by Beer Sat 23 Jul 2011, 7:03 pm

Musician of what calibre? 1 good album thanks to one of the best producers in the business?

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Post by GloucesterBear Sat 23 Jul 2011, 7:11 pm

She had calibre and talent but wasted it on drugs like many others have done.

That is all, millions will say the same, while millions wouldn't care.
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Post by Mat Sat 23 Jul 2011, 7:55 pm

From Gordon Smart(The Sun's "showbiz" journalist) on Twitter:

"Amy 's manager is with her dad. It pains me to say this, but I believe Mitch is on way to US to promote his singing career. Read in to that"

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Post by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 8:28 pm

Mat wrote:From Gordon Smart(The Sun's "showbiz" journalist) on Twitter:

"Amy 's manager is with her dad. It pains me to say this, but I believe Mitch is on way to US to promote his singing career. Read in to that"

Well if Mitch succeeds in his quest for stardom then expect Gordon Smart to be the first to lick his backside such is his character. Can't stick the celebrity fanboy.

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Post by Guest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 8:55 pm

And now suddenly my Facebook news feed is full of people talking about how 'nobody cares of the Norwegians'. I'm pretty sure that about 80% of the people wouldn't have posted something about the Norwegian disaster if it hadn't been compared with Winehouse's death. The two stories are hardly comparable.

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Post by noleisthebest Sat 23 Jul 2011, 10:43 pm

Silly girl....I lost my little bother to heroin overdose, stupid and sad way to die. She had a fabulous voice and cr@ppy songs.... I think a lot of rock legends recognised that fact and invited her to sing duets with them. Here'sone of my favourite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2gnPWKcDMU

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Post by time please Sun 24 Jul 2011, 6:12 am

Really sorry to hear about your loss NITB. It must be a terrible way to lose someone you love.

Amy Winehouse was a wonderful singer - she had soul in her voice. She was just obviously so unhappy and with so much negativity about herself, despite having a really great talent.

Very sad, but sadly so inevitable. I don't think too many people were too surprised yesterday. RIP Amy

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Post by Mat Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:27 am

FreekShow wrote:
Mat wrote:From Gordon Smart(The Sun's "showbiz" journalist) on Twitter:

"Amy 's manager is with her dad. It pains me to say this, but I believe Mitch is on way to US to promote his singing career. Read in to that"

Well if Mitch succeeds in his quest for stardom then expect Gordon Smart to be the first to lick his backside such is his character. Can't stick the celebrity fanboy.

Her Dad got told as soon as he got off the plane, and now their flying back.What a terrible way to hear the news.

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Post by Guest Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:52 am

its a real shame, that such a talent, has passed away... her life was full of controversy, but she should be rembered for having a great talent, and a very good singing voice.

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Post by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Mon 25 Jul 2011, 9:05 am

Whilst she chose to take the drugs, and chose to adopt that lifestyle, I feel sickened once again at our media's inability to see a real person suffering, and backing off. Celebrities are not cartoon characters, and their not indestructible - and when they are on the edge it's not the media's job to keep pushing. It's sick!

She went to the other side of the world to try and get clean, but they followed her there, and snapped her every day - that is unnacceptable, and has been going on for far too long. It creates an enormous pressure cooker for an addict, and a pressure to give in to what people expect. She could no longer be Amy Winehouse the amazing singer, so she had to be Amy Winehouse the car-crash.

This is a tragedy because it's been inevitable for so long, and no-one has been able to stop it. It's a tragedy because a young, talented woman has died yet nobody is suprised. I'm not making excuses for Amy, because as I said, she made choices that have led to this - but the media did nothing to help stop it. In fact they snowballed it. And I fear the only tragedy they see, is that the death they've wanted for so long, and had probably written all the stories for already, had to share column inches with the horrible events in Norway, and a parliamentary review of their own failures.

And that the News of the World wasn't around to sensationalise it, and have Carol Malone write a disgustingly, sentimental, hypocritical piece about the woman she slagged off for years.

People need to have a little respect too. Regardless of the choices she made, she's dead - and it didn't need to happen. You wouldn't take the pi55 out of a "real" person dying from a lifetime struggle with drugs, so don't take the pi55 out of her just because she's famous, especially when she's not even in the ground yet.

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Post by Beer Mon 25 Jul 2011, 9:09 am

Electric Demon wrote:Whilst she chose to take the drugs, and chose to adopt that lifestyle, I feel sickened once again at our media's inability to see a real person suffering, and backing off. Celebrities are not cartoon characters, and their not indestructible - and when they are on the edge it's not the media's job to keep pushing. It's sick!

She went to the other side of the world to try and get clean, but they followed her there, and snapped her every day - that is unnacceptable, and has been going on for far too long. It creates an enormous pressure cooker for an addict, and a pressure to give in to what people expect. She could no longer be Amy Winehouse the amazing singer, so she had to be Amy Winehouse the car-crash.

This is a tragedy because it's been inevitable for so long, and no-one has been able to stop it. It's a tragedy because a young, talented woman has died yet nobody is suprised. I'm not making excuses for Amy, because as I said, she made choices that have led to this - but the media did nothing to help stop it. In fact they snowballed it. And I fear the only tragedy they see, is that the death they've wanted for so long, and had probably written all the stories for already, had to share column inches with the horrible events in Norway, and a parliamentary review of their own failures.

And that the News of the World wasn't around to sensationalise it, and have Carol Malone write a disgustingly, sentimental, hypocritical piece about the woman she slagged off for years.

People need to have a little respect too. Regardless of the choices she made, she's dead - and it didn't need to happen. You wouldn't take the pi55 out of a "real" person dying from a lifetime struggle with drugs, so don't take the pi55 out of her just because she's famous, especially when she's not even in the ground yet.

I don't have respect for druggies, especially when they seem to enjoy publicising it to make money. Nor have i 'taken the p155'. I wouldn't waste my time on her.

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Post by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Mon 25 Jul 2011, 9:10 am

Walking out of your house high on drugs is not publicising it.

Taking photos of it and publishing them is publicising it.

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Post by Scottrf Mon 25 Jul 2011, 9:16 am

FreekShow wrote:
Clarke James wrote:Why?

She's a disgrace to her family. And her fans.

Unless her parents subscribe to v2 i couldn't personally give a hoot.

Did she ever actually hurt anybody?
Yes, by supporting the drug trade.

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Post by Beer Mon 25 Jul 2011, 9:17 am

Electric Demon wrote:Walking out of your house high on drugs is not publicising it.

Taking photos of it and publishing them is publicising it.

Oh please, Demon. If you seriously think she didn't publicise them then you're as blinkered as the rest of them. She was a crack head with no respect for herself.

She's a celebrity. She was always going to be in the limelight and instead of acting like a role model she decided to play out her drug fuelled life in the public domain. Not only that, but her 'family', the people who should've stood by her, were exploiting her, and she let them. Going along with the sordid stories just to get more cash and column inches. It says alot about her Dad that his best mate was a hack.

Don't get me wrong, i don't think for a second that all Celeb's are perfect. I'm sure they all dabble in drugs, alcohol etc. But for the most part, they do it in private.

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Post by TipToes88 Mon 25 Jul 2011, 9:49 am

Meh shame when pretty much anyone dies. Wouldn't have wished it on her but can't say I'm too fussed. Why's this front page news when theres shootings in Oslo, famine in Africa and natural disasters all over the world? Besides, her and Ronson ruined Valarie for me. I loved the Zutons version and they made a cheap buck off it.

P.s. Sorry but did anyone else notice she looked and sounded just like janice from friends?

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Post by Cari Mon 25 Jul 2011, 10:08 am

Electric Demon wrote:People need to have a little respect too. Regardless of the choices she made, she's dead - and it didn't need to happen. You wouldn't take the pi55 out of a "real" person dying from a lifetime struggle with drugs, so don't take the pi55 out of her just because she's famous, especially when she's not even in the ground yet.

Some people are being hypocritical though Demon. because she's famous, they're sympathising with her, and saying what a loss it is...most people look at local drug addicts in the street with disgust - certainly not sympathy. And yet everyone is constantly making excuses for Amy saying how much she tried to get clean, she needs help, she's troubled, she's tortured...and no one shows the same compassion for the drug addicts they see in the street - nothing but contempt in fact.

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Post by Beer Mon 25 Jul 2011, 10:11 am

Cari wrote:
Electric Demon wrote:People need to have a little respect too. Regardless of the choices she made, she's dead - and it didn't need to happen. You wouldn't take the pi55 out of a "real" person dying from a lifetime struggle with drugs, so don't take the pi55 out of her just because she's famous, especially when she's not even in the ground yet.

Some people are being hypocritical though Demon. because she's famous, they're sympathising with her, and saying what a loss it is...most people look at local drug addicts in the street with disgust - certainly not sympathy. And yet everyone is constantly making excuses for Amy saying how much she tried to get clean, she needs help, she's troubled, she's tortured...and no one shows the same compassion for the drug addicts they see in the street - nothing but contempt in fact.

Completely agree with you, Cari. Who's to say that some girl found dead in a bedsit from drugs couldn't sing? Could've maybe made something of herself if she had the right support?

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Post by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Mon 25 Jul 2011, 10:16 am

I agree to a point Cari.

I'm not trying to sympathise with her drug use. What I sympathise with is the fact that she had a camera in her face 24/7, scrutinising every move - which the drug addict on the street doesn't have to deal with, and if we lived in a moral society, she shouldn't have had to deal with. And also the millions in the bank with nothing to spend it on - as ridiculous as that sounds, it must be a massive temptation for an addict - again, the drug addict on the street should receive some motivation from wanting to get off the street, and have some money - where was Amy Winehouse's motivation?

Personally I don't view a drug user on the street with contempt, but I know lots of people do. But I won't throw a few bits of shrapnel in their hat to feed their habit. That's not disrespect, I see that as help.

Amy Winehouse had hatfulls of shrapnel thrown at her every day, by virtue of being a very succesful singer-songwriter. That (again as ridiculous as it sounds) was unfortunate.

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Post by Cari Mon 25 Jul 2011, 10:26 am

Demon - I agree with you there. I think the media have been very OTT reporting on her death. The post mortem hasn't even been done, and yet, depending on which news source you believe she committed suicide, died of natural causes, died by accident from alcohol, drugs or disease...it's ridiculous. Must be very distressing for those who knew Amy personally and her family. What I also hate is every celebrity tweeting about her death...seems a bit bandwagony to me. Reminds me of all the coverage around the death of Diana.

With reagrds to drug users generally, I don't view them with contempt either, and I think it's a shame when someone succumb's to alchol/drug poisoning because it is a waste of a life, and people choose that lifestyle.

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