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Post by Portnoy on Mon 08 Aug 2011, 10:42 am

First topic message reminder :

Current World Rankings

IRB
http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

4Ns Round 1
http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html

September 2012

Sat 15 Rugby Championship / Freedom Cup
New Zealand v South Africa, Dunedin
19:35 local, 07:35 GMT, 08:35 BST

nzl (on 92.43 points) at home -vs- rsa (on 84.20 points)

If nzl win by 1-15 points 0.000 92.43 84.20 No
If nzl win by more than 15 0.000 92.43 84.20 No
If result is a draw 1.000 91.43 85.20 No
If rsa win by 1-15 points 2.000 90.43 86.20 No
If rsa win by more than 15 3.000 89.43 87.20 No

Sat 15 Rugby Championship
Australia v Argentina, Gold Coast
20:05 local, 10:05 GMT, 11:05 BST

aus (on 86.62 points) at home -vs- arg (on 79.34 points)

If aus win by 1-15 points 0.000 86.62 79.34 No
If aus win by more than 15 0.000 86.62 79.34 No
If result is a draw 1.000 85.62 80.34 No
If arg win by 1-15 points 2.000 84.62 81.34 No
If arg win by more than 15 3.000 83.62 82.34 No

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Original post:

Pretty much World rankings provide both an 'official' balance sheet and P/L account of international bragging rights.

Sources:
IRB Rankings : http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh


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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Sat 10 Nov 2012, 10:13 pm

Sat 10 Italy v Tonga, Brescia
15:00 local, 14:00 GMT
ita (on 76.03 points) at home -vs- ton (on 74.79 points)
If ita win by 1-15 points 0.576 76.61 74.21 No
If ita win by more than 15 0.864 76.89 73.93 No
If result is a draw 0.424 75.61 75.21 No
If ton win by 1-15 points 1.424 74.61 76.21 Yes
If ton win by more than 15 2.136 73.89 76.93 Yes

Sat 10 England v Fiji, Twickenham
14:30 local, 14:30 GMT
eng (on 83.09 points) at home -vs- ton (on 70.60 points)
If eng win by 1-15 points 0.000 83.09 70.60 No
If eng win by more than 15 0.000 83.09 70.60 No
If result is a draw 1.000 82.09 71.60 No
If fij win by 1-15 points 2.000 81.09 72.60 No
If fij win by more than 15 3.000 80.09 73.60 No

Sat 10 Wales v Argentina, Millennium Stadium
14:30 local, 14:30 GMT
wal (on 82.26 points) at home -vs- arg (on 78.63 points)
If wal win by 1-15 points 0.337 82.60 78.29 No
If wal win by more than 15 0.505 82.77 78.12 No
If result is a draw 0.663 81.60 79.29 No
If arg win by 1-15 points 1.663 80.60 80.29 No
If arg win by more than 15 2.495 79.77 81.12 Yes

Sat 10 Ireland v South Africa, Lansdowne Road
17:30 local, 17:30 GMT
ire (on 79.85 points) at home -vs- saf (on 84.69 points)
If ire win by 1-15 points 1.184 81.03 83.51 No
If ire win by more than 15 1.776 81.63 82.91 No
If result is a draw 0.184 80.03 84.51 No
If saf win by 1-15 points 0.816 79.03 85.51 No
If saf win by more than 15 1.224 78.63 85.91 No

Sat 10 France v Australia, Stade de France
21:00 local, 20:00 GMT
fra (on 83.03 points) at home -vs- aus (on 86.37 points)
If fra win by 1-15 points 1.034 84.06 85.34 No
If fra win by more than 15 1.551 84.58 84.82 No
If result is a draw 0.034 83.06 86.34 No
If aus win by 1-15 points 0.966 82.06 87.34 No
If aus win by more than 15 1.449 81.58 87.82 No

A quick look makes it likely that Ireland slip a place behind Argentina.
France of course go third over England
Italy overtake Samoa
SA go second over Oz

from http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 10 Nov 2012, 10:49 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:France are 23-6 up against the Aussies. I presume that if it stays like that France will go above England and Australia will possibly drop below South Africa?

Edit:
33-6 to France v Australia
Romania 23 - 34 Japan

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 92.91
2(2) SOUTH AFRICA 85.51
3(3) AUSTRALIA 84.82
4(4) FRANCE 84.58
5(5) ENGLAND 83.09
6(6) WALES 80.60
7(7) ARGENTINA 80.29
8(8) IRELAND 79.03
9(9) SCOTLAND 77.97
10(10) SAMOA 77.14
11(11) ITALY 76.89
12(12) TONGA 73.93
13(13) CANADA 71.39
14(14) FIJI 70.60
15(15) JAPAN 68.89
16(16) GEORGIA 67.95
17(17) USA 67.43
18(18) ROMANIA 63.58
19(19) SPAIN 61.63
20(20) RUSSIA 61.23


Up next - Scotland v New Zealand


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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Sat 10 Nov 2012, 11:55 pm

There is one other minor game to be included PH.


Romania 23 - 34 Japan
If jap win by 1-15 points 0.961 63.58 68.89 No

So japan go 15th.

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Post by KickAndChase on Sun 11 Nov 2012, 2:53 am

Don't you mean...

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 92.91 (=)
2(3) SOUTH AFRICA 85.51 (+1)
3(2) AUSTRALIA 84.82 (-1)
4(5) FRANCE 84.58 (+1)
5(4) ENGLAND 83.09 (-1)
6(6) WALES 80.60 (=)
7(8) ARGENTINA 80.29 (+1)
8(7) IRELAND 79.03 (-1)
9(9) SCOTLAND 77.97 (=)
10(10) SAMOA 77.14 (=)
11(11) ITALY 76.89 (=)
12(12) TONGA 73.93 (=)
13(13) CANADA 71.39 (=)
14(14) FIJI 70.60 (=)
15(16) JAPAN 68.89 (+1)
16(15) GEORGIA 67.95 (-1)
17(17) USA 67.43 (=)
18(18) ROMANIA 63.58 (=)
19(20) SPAIN 61.63 (+1)
20(19) RUSSIA 61.23 (-1)

Let's all fairly assume Scotland get destroyed by NZ so these are the final ones for this week...

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Post by Gibson on Sun 11 Nov 2012, 3:50 am

Ergo, Ireland so badly need to beat Argentina now. Cant call that one.
Interesting times we live in.

Truth is, we are safe already. Unless Scotland down the cheating Blacks. And Argentina beat us(very possible)

Tank phhoke the rest of the Rugby periphery are schitt too. Wales will be lucky to get even one win in the AI's now. And they talked of winning them all. NH delusion at its best.
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Post by Pot Hale on Sun 11 Nov 2012, 11:23 am

2-5 are still in the mix depending on how results go for SA and Australia.

Wales, Argentina and Ireland can all swap places too, and possibly Scotland into the mix as well, with Ireland or Wales going into third tier.

Wales v Samoa - Sam Win 78.79 and Wal 78.95
Scotland v SA - Scotland win by less than 15 would give them 8th at least
England v Australia - Eng Win 83.96 and Aus 83.95
France v Argentina -
Ireland v Argentina
England v SA
Scotland v Tonga
France v Samoa
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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 11 Nov 2012, 8:16 pm

Gibson wrote:Wales will be lucky to get even one win in the AI's now. And they talked of winning them all. NH delusion at its best.

Yes playing like that we'd be lucky to get one win. Arg weren't class though so Ireland have a good chance of winning that one. And some might say that your 'belief' is NH delusion at it's best? Whistle

But don't stop.
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Sun 11 Nov 2012, 8:42 pm

The rankings actually make England favourites over Aus. Given every 6Ns side thats played them in the last couple of years (except one) has beaten them (including England the last two times they played them) I guess they actually should be favourites.
NH arrogance at its normal level.

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Post by Morgannwg on Sun 11 Nov 2012, 8:45 pm

Except two you mean, not one. Learn to add will you. I think England will win that game against Aus. Perhaps not by as many as France did. I think the French will hold onto that top 4 seeding.
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Post by HammerofThunor on Sun 11 Nov 2012, 9:21 pm

Ireland beat them, France beat them, England beat them, Scotland beat them...oh yeah, they played Italy in the World Cup didn't they? So it's Wales and Italy are the two, right?

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Sun 11 Nov 2012, 10:15 pm

Just be glad I cant count up to 6 or 7 or however many it is now

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Post by Brendan on Mon 12 Nov 2012, 12:02 pm

If Ireland beat the Argies we also get some of wales points.

I think France are unlikely to lose any points and may pick up against Argies deppending where they are.

Still more twists and turns

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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Mon 12 Nov 2012, 12:50 pm

The official rankings are out http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

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Post by Pal Joey on Mon 12 Nov 2012, 12:57 pm

OK, OK!
Stop gloating. Very Happy

Where do you want these deckchairs, mate?
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Post by Biltong on Mon 12 Nov 2012, 1:01 pm

Linebreaker wrote:OK, OK!
Stop gloating. Very Happy

Where do you want these deckchairs, mate?
It's a shame you aren't English mate, otherwise I could rag you for losing your second place ranking to us.

But sadly you aren't particularly precious about it.
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Post by Pal Joey on Mon 12 Nov 2012, 1:26 pm

rag or rag doll you mean? Laugh

At least you understand that I have no choice but to roll with what is dealt to me.
If the seas get rough I'll just have to live with it. Whistle

They could be 5th or 6th pretty quickly, I'd imagine, if they keep losing.
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Post by Biltong on Mon 12 Nov 2012, 1:37 pm

Or back to number two in a week. Ok!
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Post by Pal Joey on Mon 12 Nov 2012, 1:42 pm

Thanks mate. I should be more positive I know. Usually am. OK
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Post by Biltong on Mon 12 Nov 2012, 1:44 pm

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Post by Pot Hale on Mon 12 Nov 2012, 2:03 pm

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 92.91
2(3) SOUTH AFRICA 85.50
3(2) AUSTRALIA 84.82
4(5) FRANCE 84.58
5(4) ENGLAND 83.09
6(6) WALES 80.60
7(8) ARGENTINA 80.29
8(7) IRELAND 79.04
9(9) SCOTLAND 77.97
10(10) SAMOA 77.14
11(11) ITALY 76.61
12(12) TONGA 74.22
13(13) CANADA 71.39
14(14) FIJI 70.60
15(16) JAPAN 68.89
16(15) GEORGIA 67.95
17(17) USA 67.15
18(18) ROMANIA 63.58
19(20) SPAIN 61.63
20(19) RUSSIA 61.51

Next week's matches will have a few more ranking places at stake:
Wales v Samoa - A Welsh win would keep their 6th spot. A Samoa win could give them 78.79/79.61and take 7th spot with Wales to 9th.
Eng v Australia - Eng win by 15 or less, they move ahead by .10 over Aus. A spanking and the Aussies drop to 83.51 possibly 5th.
France v Argentina - Argentina loss would still see them keep 7th spot. France win would give them 84.85 or 84.99 and 3rd. Arg win 82.02/82.88 and 6th.
Scot v SA - SA win would give 86.05 or 86.32. Scottish win would give them 8th spot and drop Ireland to 9th who aren't playing next week.

Irish Wolfhounds play Fiji at Thomond.

In the IRS series, Spain play Zimbabwe, Georgia take on Japan, Canada vs Russia, Tonga vs USA, Chile vs Portugal and Namibia vs Spain
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Post by Ozzy3213 on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 5:46 pm

I am sat around a fair bit today waiting for stuff to be done, and being bored I have been through the fixtures for the rest of the AI's and if all games go with what the bookies reckon then prior to the final whistle in Wales game against Australia the rankings look like this...


1 NEW ZEALND 93.79
2 SOUTH AFRICA 85.14
3 FRANCE 84.99
4 AUSTRALIA 84.80
5 ENGLAND 84.15
6 WALES 80.79
7 IRELAND 79.82
8 ARGENTINA 79.10
9 SCOTLAND 77.99
10 SAMOA 76.79
11 ITALY 75.76
12 TONGA 73.65


... meaning that England will be reliant on the Welsh beating the Aussies to secure a top seeding. I may have to spend a bit of time cheering for the boyos were that situation to arise!!!
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Post by Gibson on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 6:48 pm

Brendan wrote:If Ireland beat the Argies we also get some of wales points.

I think France are unlikely to lose any points and may pick up against Argies deppending where they are.

Still more twists and turns

"Argies" Very SUN Tabloid scum term. How about the Micks' chances of finding a decent coach?

Its not good to read, is it man?

I know you didnt mean it that way... But. Just a thought.

Try Argentines. Argentinian is another Brit/Yank misnomer.

Viva las Malvinas.
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Post by Biltong on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 6:54 pm

Well to be fair to Brendon, Our resident Argentinian fan calls himself Argiefan.

So I guess he possibly got it from the man himself.
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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:08 pm

Read Tom Sharpe's Riotous Assembly Biltong. There's a range of Saffa-based epithets in that.

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Post by Gibson on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:20 pm

Biltong,
N*****s call themselves n*****s. That's ok. Me bestest mate does it all the time.
I can get away with calling him that. But no one else can. Calls me a Paddie-basterd, every time I meet him in a pub. (Cos I am)

Its a subtle differ. Its has in-built connotations. And its an open-forum.

Ah, maybe I should just get the Pedant of The Week Award.

I am a big believer in using a derogatory word as much as one can, to render it useless and meaningless.

No worries bro. Good and fair Modding, Kaffir. OK
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Post by Duty281 on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:24 pm

Gibson wrote:
Brendan wrote:If Ireland beat the Argies we also get some of wales points.

I think France are unlikely to lose any points and may pick up against Argies deppending where they are.

Still more twists and turns

"Argies" Very SUN Tabloid scum term. How about the Micks' chances of finding a decent coach?

Its not good to read, is it man?

I know you didnt mean it that way... But. Just a thought.

Try Argentines. Argentinian is another Brit/Yank misnomer.

Viva las Malvinas.

The what now?

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Post by Biltong on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:26 pm

Gibson wrote:Biltong,
N*****s call themselves n*****s. That's ok. Me bestest mate does it all the time.
I can get away with calling him that. But no one else can. Calls me a Paddie-basterd, every time I meet him in a pub. (Cos I am)

Its a subtle differ. Its has in-built connotations. And its an open-forum.

Ah, maybe I should just get the Pedant of The Week Award.

I am a big believer in using a derogatory word as much as one can, to render it useless and meaningless.

No worries bro. Good and fair Modding, Kaffir. OK
I know exactly what you are talking about, but I am (probably the only one) of the belief that people give too much value to some names, I agree there are some that should be buried in the cupboard, but others are mostly used in innocent minds.

Although having said that I have been told before ignorance is not an excuse.
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Post by Gibson on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:30 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Gibson wrote:
Brendan wrote:If Ireland beat the Argies we also get some of wales points.

I think France are unlikely to lose any points and may pick up against Argies deppending where they are.

Still more twists and turns

"Argies" Very SUN Tabloid scum term. How about the Micks' chances of finding a decent coach?

Its not good to read, is it man?

I know you didnt mean it that way... But. Just a thought.

Try Argentines. Argentinian is another Brit/Yank misnomer.

Viva las Malvinas.

The what now?

It is a little group of Islands(next door to Argentina), populated by sheep mostly, annexed by the Brits, to secure oil-rights.

Education is wonderful is it not?

Sorry for taking this off subject.

I really think England will get that 4th spot, in readiness for the RWC. They deserve it.

Ireland, on the other hand - deserve 9th and Russia away (in Siberia) to qualify.

Lets leave Kidney there when its finished.
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Post by Notch on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:34 pm

No Gibson, we won't have to qualify. The Top 12 in the World Rankings all qualify automatically. The issue is where we are seeded in the draw.

Top 4 are first seeds.
5-8 are second seeds.
9-12 are third seeds.
Qualifiers are fourth and fifth seeds.
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Post by Gibson on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:42 pm

Notch wrote:No Gibson, we won't have to qualify. The Top 12 in the World Rankings all qualify automatically. The issue is where we are seeded in the draw.

Top 4 are first seeds.
5-8 are second seeds.
9-12 are third seeds.
Qualifiers are fourth and fifth seeds.

Really?
Christ Notch, its getting even easier for the upper-echelon. They are moving the goalposts, to the detriment of the emerging Nations. That's a disgrace, imo.
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Post by HammerofThunor on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:43 pm

I don't even think it's top 12 in the rankings automatically qualify. I think it's the tier one nations automatically (6N + 4N).

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:55 pm

According to the IRB website these teams have qualified already...

Argentina
Australia
England
France
Ireland
Italy
New Zealand
Scotland
Samoa
South Africa
Tonga
Wales

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/teams/index.html

So that's the top 12 in the rankings, and I am presuming that Canada in 13th and Fiji in 14th can't break into the top 12 in the next couple of weeks due to the points gap.
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Post by Gibson on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:56 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:I don't even think it's top 12 in the rankings automatically qualify. I think it's the tier one nations automatically (6N + 4N).

If true, that would be even more elitist. I really am growing to despise the IRB. They are getting like FIFA.

The last RWC scheduling, was tantamount to killing rugby growth in the lesser nations.

When will we ever learn?
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 7:56 pm

Gibson wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Gibson wrote:
Brendan wrote:If Ireland beat the Argies we also get some of wales points.

I think France are unlikely to lose any points and may pick up against Argies deppending where they are.

Still more twists and turns

"Argies" Very SUN Tabloid scum term. How about the Micks' chances of finding a decent coach?

Its not good to read, is it man?

I know you didnt mean it that way... But. Just a thought.

Try Argentines. Argentinian is another Brit/Yank misnomer.

Viva las Malvinas.

The what now?

It is a little group of Islands(next door to Argentina), populated by sheep mostly, annexed by the Brits, to secure oil-rights.

Education is wonderful is it not?

Sorry for taking this off subject.

I really think England will get that 4th spot, in readiness for the RWC. They deserve it.

Ireland, on the other hand - deserve 9th and Russia away (in Siberia) to qualify.

Lets leave Kidney there when its finished.

You might want to make a moderate fact check before trying to "educate" people with your mildly offensive views of history.

But that aside yes Argentina have pretty much secured a pot 2 place now. Pot 1 is pretty much impossible for them though. I wouldve thought France were stronger candidates than England right now for a top 4 spot? It isnt inconceivable that Aus could completly implode and end up in Pot 2 of course. Lots to play for in terms of positions but if Aus end up in pot 2 and Ireland or Wales in pot 3 the really the groups will be all over the shop anyway and by the time the WC comes around we could see a situation where finishing in the top 4 does you know favours. England would be peeved to finish in 3rd spot then pull something like Aus, Ireland, Fiji and Georgia.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 8:07 pm

The "Tier" system was dropped by the IRB several years ago, and theres no teams with a divine right to be in the cup.
The qualification is the hosts plus those who finished 3rd or above in their groups last time then the rest made up through results in the "lesser" regional cup competitions .
It means more of the medium teams have a chance of being automatically qualified (and not have to risk qualification in tournaments where their best players arent available), but does tend to guarantee the same old faces even outside the 11 nations. It also gives a slight boost in meaning to the ENC and other such cups.

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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 8:12 pm

As sentient life exists outside the AIs*:

*excluding v2 it seems (judging by recent posts)

Fri 16 Wales v Samoa, Millennium Stadium 19:30
wal (on 80.60 points) at home -vs- sam (on 77.14 points)
If wal win by 1-15 points 0.354 80.95 76.79 No
If wal win by more than 15 0.531 81.13 76.61 No
If result is a draw 0.646 79.95 77.79 No
If sam win by 1-15 points 1.646 78.95 78.79 No
If sam win by more than 15 2.469 78.13 79.61 Yes

Sat 17 Italy v New Zealand, Rome 15:00
ita (on 76.61 points) at home -vs- nzl (on 92.91 points)
If ita win by 1-15 points 2.000 78.61 90.91 No
If ita win by more than 15 3.000 79.61 89.91 No
If result is a draw 1.000 77.61 91.91 No
If nzl win by 1-15 points 0.000 76.61 92.91 No
If nzl win by more than 15 0.000 76.61 92.91 No

Sat 17 England v Australia, Twickenham 14:30
eng (on 83.09 points) at home -vs- aus (on 84.82 points)
overtake aus?
If eng win by 1-15 points 0.873 83.96 83.95 Yes
If eng win by more than 15 1.309 84.40 83.51 Yes
If result is a draw 0.127 82.96 84.95 No
If aus win by 1-15 points 1.127 81.96 85.95 No
If aus win by more than 15 1.691 81.40 86.51 No

Sat 17 Scotland v South Africa, Murrayfield 14:30
sco (on 77.97 points) at home -vs- rsa (on 85.50 points)
If sco win by 1-15 points 1.453 79.42 84.05 No
If sco win by more than 15 2.179 80.15 83.32 No
If result is a draw 0.453 78.42 85.05 No
If rsa win by 1-15 points 0.547 77.42 86.05 No
If rsa win by more than 15 0.820 77.15 86.32 No

Sat 17 France v Argentina, Lille 21:00
fra (on 84.58 points) at home -vs- arg (on 80.29 points)
If fra win by 1-15 points 0.271 84.85 80.02 No
If fra win by more than 15 0.407 84.99 79.88 No
If result is a draw 0.729 83.85 81.02 No
If arg win by 1-15 points 1.729 82.85 82.02 No
If arg win by more than 15 2.593 81.99 82.88 Yes

Sat 17 Georgia v Japan, Tbilisi 15:00
geo (on 67.95 points) at home -vs- jap (on 68.89 points)
If geo win by 1-15 points 0.794 68.74 68.10 Yes
If geo win by more than 15 1.191 69.14 67.70 Yes
If result is a draw 0.206 67.74 69.10 No
If jap win by 1-15 points 1.206 66.74 70.10 No
If jap win by more than 15 1.809 66.14 70.70 No

Sat 17 Canada v Russia, Colwyn Bay 18:00
can (on 71.39 points) at home -vs- rus (on 61.51 points)
If can win by 1-15 points 0.000 71.39 61.51 No
If can win by more than 15 0.000 71.39 61.51 No
If result is a draw 1.000 70.39 62.51 No
If rus win by 1-15 points 2.000 69.39 63.51 No
If rus win by more than 15 3.000 68.39 64.51 No

Sat 17 Tonga v United States of America, Colwyn Bay 20:00
ton (on 74.22 points) at home -vs- usa (on 67.15 points)
If ton win by 1-15 points 0.000 74.22 67.15 No
If ton win by more than 15 0.000 74.22 67.15 No
If result is a draw 1.000 73.22 68.15 No
If usa win by 1-15 points 2.000 72.22 69.15 No
If usa win by more than 15 3.000 71.22 70.15 No

also playing (outside top 20 scope)
Sat 17 Chile v Portugal, Santiago 13:00

and if it were a capped international
Sat 17 Ireland A v Fiji, Limerick 17:30
ire (on 79.04 points) at home -vs- fij (on 70.60 points)
If ire win by 1-15 points 0.000 79.04 70.60 No
If ire win by more than 15 0.000 79.04 70.60 No
If result is a draw 1.000 78.04 71.60 No
If fij win by 1-15 points 2.000 77.04 72.60 No
If fij win by more than 15 3.000 76.04 73.60 No

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:02 am

Gibson wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Gibson wrote:
Brendan wrote:If Ireland beat the Argies we also get some of wales points.

I think France are unlikely to lose any points and may pick up against Argies deppending where they are.

Still more twists and turns

"Argies" Very SUN Tabloid scum term. How about the Micks' chances of finding a decent coach?

Its not good to read, is it man?

I know you didnt mean it that way... But. Just a thought.

Try Argentines. Argentinian is another Brit/Yank misnomer.

Viva las Malvinas.

The what now?

It is a little group of Islands(next door to Argentina), populated by sheep mostly, annexed by the Brits, to secure oil-rights.

Education is wonderful is it not?

Sorry for taking this off subject.

I really think England will get that 4th spot, in readiness for the RWC. They deserve it.

Ireland, on the other hand - deserve 9th and Russia away (in Siberia) to qualify.

Lets leave Kidney there when its finished.

It would be if you used it correctly.

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Post by Portnoy's Complaint on Fri 16 Nov 2012, 11:37 am

The IRB rankings sticky is about to either expire or regenerate like Dr Who according to v2 rules.

Is it useful or not?

Both I and Portnoy would happily respond to PMs.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Fri 16 Nov 2012, 11:46 am

With Wales dropping liek a stone is definatley useful Whistle

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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 16 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm

Greytiger,

Can you check with Portnoy or Yontrop whether you 3 guys want a new thread?

I can take out the Rugby Championship bit in the OP; below "September 2012".... down to "[ed]" and keep all the links at the top and bottom.

Maybe slot in your post above with the AI fixtures, points permutations.... as the first post in the new thread?
The bit below: "As sentient life exists outside the AIs*:"

Or if you want to do it yourself... that's fine OK
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Fri 16 Nov 2012, 12:26 pm

Can we archive all the important points where Wales were ranked outside the top 6 please?

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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 16 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm

Laugh I don't have access to any teams below 3rd.

Anyway, I'm off to bed.
Getting up early for the match.
Happy weekend everyone. Good luck to your teams! Ale
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