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Post by Guest Wed 11 Jan 2012, 1:03 pm

we all talk about australia's decline and rise etc...but in your opinon what would be their greatest test XI...this is mine:

1.Matthew Hayden
2.Arthur Morris
3.Don Bradman
4.Ricky Ponting
5.Steve Waugh (c)
6.Allan Border
7.Adam Gilchrist (wk)
8.Bill O'Reilly
9.Shane Warne
10.Glenn McGrath
11.Dennis Lillee

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Post by skyeman Wed 11 Jan 2012, 1:05 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:we all talk about australia's decline and rise etc...but in your opinon what would be their greatest test XI...this is mine:

1.Matthew Hayden
2.Arthur Morris
3.Don Bradman
4.Ricky Ponting
5.Steve Waugh (c)
6.Allan Border
7.Adam Gilchrist (wk)
8.Bill O'Reilly
9.Shane Warne
10.Glenn McGrath
11.Dennis Lillee


And Larwood to bowl at them Laugh

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Post by Mike Selig Wed 11 Jan 2012, 1:11 pm

Can't have an all-time Aussie 11 without Chappell (G.) and Miller. So great players though they were Waugh and Border miss out. Ponting captains.

Lindwall unlucky to miss out, but both Warne and O'Reilly bowled ridiculously well on seaming wickets, so even if it's a green-top I'd pick the two spinners.

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Post by Guest Wed 11 Jan 2012, 1:34 pm

i considered Miller, but wouldnt need his bowling, with the bowling attack i have, and already have plenty of batting.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Wed 11 Jan 2012, 1:44 pm

Bobby Simpson
Arthur Morris
Don Bradman
Greg Chappell
Steve Waugh (capt)
Keith Miller
Adam Gilchrist
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillee
Bill O'Reilly
Glen McGrath

2nd XI:
Matt Hayden
Bill Lawry
Ricky Ponting
Stan McCabe
Neil Harvey
Allan Border (capt)
Ian Healy
Alan Davidson
Ray Lindwall
Charlie Grimmett
Fred Spofforth

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Post by Stella Wed 11 Jan 2012, 1:46 pm

Trumper
Hayden
Bradman
Ponting
Border
Miller
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
McGrath
Lindwall/O'Reilly
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Post by bradman99.94 Wed 11 Jan 2012, 2:10 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:we all talk about australia's decline and rise etc...but in your opinon what would be their greatest test XI...this is mine:

1.Matthew Hayden
2.Arthur Morris
3.Don Bradman
4.Ricky Ponting
5.Steve Waugh (c)
6.Allan Border
7.Adam Gilchrist (wk)
8.Bill O'Reilly
9.Shane Warne
10.Glenn McGrath
11.Dennis Lillee


I’d probably swop Morris with Simpson and O’Reilly with Benaud whom I would also make captain. In doing this I agree with the accepted norm that O’Reilly was the better bowler but I’d have Benaud for his captaincy skills

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Post by Guest Wed 11 Jan 2012, 2:22 pm

IMO o'reilly and warne both have to be in there...also S.Waugh was a phenonemal captain, so IMO benaud dosent get in there.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Wed 11 Jan 2012, 2:46 pm

I'd go:

Trumper
Simpson
Bradman(c)
Chappell G.
Ponting
Miller
Gilchrist(wk)
Warne
Lillee
O'Reilly
McGrath

Second XI:
Hayden
Morris
MaCartney
Border(c)
McCabe
Waugh
Healey(wk)
Lindwall
Grimmett
Davidson
Johnston W.A.

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Post by Guest Wed 11 Jan 2012, 2:51 pm

that was my first XI
1.Matthew Hayden
2.Arthur Morris
3.Don Bradman
4.Ricky Ponting
5.Steve Waugh (c)
6.Allan Border
7.Adam Gilchrist (wk)
8.Bill O'Reilly
9.Shane Warne
10.Glenn McGrath
11.Dennis Lillee

my 2nd XI would be:

1.Justin Langer
2.Bob Simpson
3.Bill Lawry
4.Damien Martyn
5.Michael Clarke
6.Keith Miller
7.Ian Healy (wk)
8.Richie Benaud (C)
9.Brett Lee
10.Alan Davidson
11.Stuart MacGill

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Wed 11 Jan 2012, 2:54 pm

Martyn and Clarke above Neil Harvey?
MacGill above Grimmett?
no Spofforth or Lindwall?

not sure if I agree with your 2nd XI cf...

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Post by Guest Wed 11 Jan 2012, 2:55 pm

the thread was titled greatest test XI....not 2nd XI....dont even know why i bothered posting a 2nd XI

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Post by Gregers Wed 11 Jan 2012, 2:56 pm

1) Justin Langer
2) Michael Slater
3) Don Bradman
4) Steve Waugh (c)
5) Mark Waugh
6) Ricky Ponting
7) Adam Gilchrist (wk)
8) Richie Benaud
9) Shane Warne
10) Dennis Lillee
11) Glen McGrath

Notable mentions: Glen Chapple, Bill Lawry, Matthew Hayden. Bill O'Reily, Jason Gillespie, Allan Border, Michael Clarke, Damien Martyn

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Post by skyeman Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:02 pm

Gregers, you gonna vote in the HoF this round, (you did the last round) there are some great names there including 11 out of 11 votes for Larwood Very Happy

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:04 pm

skyeman wrote:Gregers, you gonna vote in the HoF this round, (you did the last round) there are some great names there including 11 out of 11 votes for Larwood Very Happy

11 out of 11 votes for Larwood my a**e!!! Very Happy

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Post by Fists of Fury Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:06 pm

There should be, Hoggy Wink

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Post by sirfredperry Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:06 pm

Glad to see Trumper in some people's list. By all accounts he was a wonderful player. Neil Harvey should be mentioned. Would support the inclusion of Miller. Wonder just which players - part from the obvious Bradman - would, and should, be in everybody's list. I would say:
Warne
Gilchrist
McGrath
Lillee
but perhaps no one else so no Greg Chappell, no Trumper, no O'Reilly, no Hayden. Realise I've swayed away from the best ELEVEN and this is more like the top five. Thoughts ?


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Post by skyeman Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:07 pm

Hoggy_Bear wrote:
skyeman wrote:Gregers, you gonna vote in the HoF this round, (you did the last round) there are some great names there including 11 out of 11 votes for Larwood Very Happy

11 out of 11 votes for Larwood my a**e!!! Very Happy



Laugh

I was careful not to include the word yes Very Happy

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:11 pm

sirfredperry

interesting question:
Bradman, Warne, McGrath and Lillee you suspect would make everyone's lists. Gilchrist probably too, though I somewhat surprised myself by not picking Healy (in fact I'm still having second thoughts about that) who was a much superior glovesman.

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Post by sirfredperry Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:17 pm

I think it would take a brave man to leave out Gilly however good the other glovemen (Oldfield, Tallon, Grout, Healey) were.

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Post by Mike Selig Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:28 pm

I wouldn't be too adamant about Harvey over Martyn TBH: Martyn was a fine player who was rarely called upon (mainly because the Australian sides he played in were so good) but who when he was almost always came up with the goods (excluding the '05 ashes when to be fair he had an awful run of luck as well). Harvey was a fine player who was comfortably the best batsman of his era (in the Australian side) and as such usually gets more plaudits. I wouldn't fancy splitting them personally...

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Post by Stella Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:32 pm

It seems I was right when I mentioned David Boon was an underrated player.

No mention of him yet. Surely he was as good as Clarke and Martyn.
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Post by Mike Selig Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:36 pm

Stella wrote:It seems I was right when I mentioned David Boon was an underrated player.

No mention of him yet. Surely he was as good as Clarke and Martyn.

Nope, not really. Both have higher averages and have played more match-winning knocks (of course helped by the fact that they have played in great sides).

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Post by Stella Wed 11 Jan 2012, 3:38 pm

Mike Selig wrote:
Stella wrote:It seems I was right when I mentioned David Boon was an underrated player.

No mention of him yet. Surely he was as good as Clarke and Martyn.

Nope, not really. Both have higher averages and have played more match-winning knocks (of course helped by the fact that they have played in great sides).

Boon arguably played in a tougher era. The 80's which included the Windies (who he played very well) and the 90's and we all know there were some great bowlers in that era.
I'd put him on par with those two.
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Post by kwinigolfer Wed 11 Jan 2012, 4:14 pm

Very surprised to see the love on here for Bobby Simpson and, especially, Bill Lawry. Lawry could make Boycott look like an express train and no other string to his bow compared to Simpson's slow bowling, slip-fielding and captaincy.

Neither as outstanding as an opener as Harvey was as a middle-order bat.

Think I'd go with:
Border
Morris
Bradman
Harvey
Ponting (Capt)
Miller
Gilchrist
Warne
McGrath
Lillee
O'Reilly



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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 11 Jan 2012, 4:19 pm

Cricinfo's all time Aussie XI from a couple of years back (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/magazine/alltime.html?site_area=1929) was

Victor Trumper
Arthur Morris
Don Bradman
Greg Chappell
Allan Border
Keith Miller
Adam Gilchrist
Shane Warne
Bill O'Reilly
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath

with a readers' XI of
Matthew Hayden,
Bill Ponsford,
Don Bradman,
Ricky Ponting,
Steve Waugh,
Adam Gilchrist,
Keith Miller,
Shane Warne,
Bill O'Reilly,
Dennis Lillee,
Glenn McGrath
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Wed 11 Jan 2012, 4:28 pm

kwini

Simpson averaged more than 55 when opening the batting, for me that's enough to get him into the side.

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Post by Pal Joey Thu 12 Jan 2012, 1:16 am

Australia has had too many great players to choose from, lol - but some very good sides posted on here.

I'd go for an Early XI (up to 1960) and Modern XI (post 1960):

Trumper
Morris
Bradman (C)
Harvey
McCabe
Miller
Tallon (wk)
Davidson
Lindwall
O'Reilly
Spofforth

Hayden
Simpson
Ponting
Chappell, G
Border (C)
Waugh, S
Gilchrist (wk)
Lillee
Thompson
Warne
McGrath

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Post by gboycottnut Thu 12 Jan 2012, 5:14 pm

What about the famous 1985 Australian Team which toured England :-

1 Graeme Wood
2 Andrew Hilditch
3 Kepler Weesels
4 Allan Border
5 Greg Ritchie
6 Wayne Phillips
7 Simon O'Donnell (Australia's answer to Ian Botham)
8 Bob Holland
9 Craig McDermott
10 Geoff Lawson
11 Jeff Thompson

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Post by skyeman Thu 12 Jan 2012, 5:32 pm

gboycottnut wrote:What about the famous 1985 Australian Team which toured England :-

1 Graeme Wood
2 Andrew Hilditch
3 Kepler Weesels
4 Allan Border
5 Greg Ritchie
6 Wayne Phillips
7 Simon O'Donnell (Australia's answer to Ian Botham)
8 Bob Holland
9 Craig McDermott
10 Geoff Lawson
11 Jeff Thompson

Greatest at losing to England I agree Wink

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Thu 12 Jan 2012, 5:46 pm

skyeman wrote:
gboycottnut wrote:What about the famous 1985 Australian Team which toured England :-

1 Graeme Wood
2 Andrew Hilditch
3 Kepler Weesels
4 Allan Border
5 Greg Ritchie
6 Wayne Phillips
7 Simon O'Donnell (Australia's answer to Ian Botham)
8 Bob Holland
9 Craig McDermott
10 Geoff Lawson
11 Jeff Thompson

Greatest at losing to England I agree Wink

Most of that lot got thrashed by Hadlee New Zealand in 1985 too. Wink
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Post by Guest Thu 12 Jan 2012, 5:59 pm

gboycotnut- i noticed this on all the threads...do you just look at cricinfo's XI?

most of the players u mention have nothing on the likes of mcgrath, warne etc....

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Post by Pal Joey Thu 12 Jan 2012, 10:24 pm

I think he was having a dig at the 1985 team. Very Happy

That was another awkward period for Australia as Kiwi says - even NZ (c/o/Hadlee) tore them to bits. That was a 6 Test series if I recall but it did set things up nicely for the 1989 tour (Oz 'not a chance!') - which I remember very well.
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