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Post by Yess_18 Mon 13 Feb 2012, 10:37 pm

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I was born in Sweden but have now lived in Wales for around 7 years. Football was the sport with which I grew up and that which I played for many a year. However, moving to South Wales, I couldn’t avoid Rugby Union, it was everywhere.

I started off by watching Wales and was soon interested in regional rugby. The Ospreys are now my team and I get as much pleasure going to watch them at the Liberty Stadium as I did watching my local ice hockey or football team back home in younger days. I love match days at the Liberty and Millennium Stadiums, the expectations before a game, as well as the atmosphere around and in the stadium. I came late to rugby and still have much to learn, so love every minute of it. When it comes to rugby I am Welsh – if Wales played Sweden in rugby (highly unlikely!), I would support Wales.

Over recent years, we have all heard the rumours about players being offered highly lucrative contracts to ply their trade in France. Last year saw James Hook, Lee Byrne and Gavin Henson sign contracts with French teams (though Henson returned). Regan King is another player who left Wales after 6 years for what I would assume to be a more financially rewarding contract than that on offer from Scarlets? This year we know that Luke Charteris is on his way. Aled Brew is also on the rumour list as well as a few others. Adam Jones has gone against the grain and decided to stay with the Ospreys.

Do I mind? No, not really. I can understand that from the player’s personal point of view that it makes sense. I would even go as far as saying that it could be beneficial for the national team of Wales, at least in the short-term. My views on this issue are based on experiences in Sweden, a relatively small country with 9 million inhabitants. This makes it bigger than Wales with its 3 million inhabitants, but still not large by any standards.

Swedish football clubs could never compete with the big European clubs for the best Swedish football players. They leave to further themselves both professionally and financially. This has long been the case. It started in the 1950′s with the well know trio of Gre-No -Li (Gunnar Gren, Gunnar Nordahl and Nils Liedholm) all of whom went to ACMilan.

Other well known players have left Sweden with prominent names including Glenn Strömberg, Glenn Hysen, Tomas Brolin, Fredrik Ljungberg, Henrik Larsson, Patrik Andersson, Olof Mellberg and, of course, Zlatan Ibrahimovic. Sometimes when the Swedish national team plays, there are no players on the pitch who currently play in Sweden. Still, in 1994 Sweden came third in the World Cup, so success can come even in these circumstances.

The fact that the best Swedish players leave is something we accept and live with. In many ways it probably improves the quality of Swedish football as many of these players return to Sweden either to end their playing careers or as managers, bringing with them experience and new ideas. This is why I say that Welsh rugby can benefit from players leaving for foreign climes and bringing new ideas and concepts to Wales.

However, there is a major difference that must be accounted for. In Sweden, football has a sustainable base of players, in that there are around in total 200,000 registered players. There is no risk of shortage in the player pool. In Wales, however, there is a total of 50,557 registered rugby players, compared with England’s 2,549,196 or New Zealand’s 137,835, this despite being a country with a mere 4 million inhabitants.

Wales do not have a huge base of players with which to work, so the local clubs require all the help available to get young kids into the game and retained. This is why I say that the player exodus is good only in the short run. I have been to a presentation night with my little boy and seen what the presence of ‘big’ names can do for the younger players.

I saw the happiness in my little boy’s eyes when he came to me shouting “Tommy Bowe is here!!” When prizes were handed out, there was a clear order in terms of whom the boys wanted to accept their prize from. Tommy Bowe first, Dan Biggar second and finally the local boy, Ben Lewis. Lewis, as a local youngster, has made it into the Ospreys squad, but in the eyes of the kids, that will never be the same as having played for Ireland, the Lions or Wales.

I do think the Welsh Rugby Union need to think about their aspirations in the long run. Today, ‘Gatland’s law’, summarised by the quotes of the Welsh coach:-

“The location of a player outside Wales will be a significant factor in determining whether he is selected for the national team.”

“This is a common sense reminder to Welsh players that the ideal will be to play for a Welsh region.”

“Playing for a region will allow them to be available for all Wales training and playing requirements and will safeguard their development and care.”

“Given that we do not have the pool of players that other countries have, it is questionable whether we can say every player who plays outside Wales cannot play for Wales.”

In other words, it doesn’t stop the ‘big’ names from leaving Wales, they will be picked anyway. However it probably stops the rest if they want to play for Wales. As shown at the presentation night at my local rugby club it is the 'big' names that attract interest. Without players like James Hook and Lee Byrne playing in Wales where the younger generation has the chance to watch them on TV or live, I fear the absence of ‘heroes’ will make the situation for the local clubs much harder in terms of attracting new players.



In the long run I think it will be harder for Welsh rugby to keep a sustainable player base if the good players are free to leave without any repercussions, with others certain in the knowledge that a move will mean their no longer playing for Wales. I think that the WRU need to think long and hard about this. There are many other implications around this issue that impact the regions, not least the stance of Warren Gatland, but that’s for another day. This year has also seen an added condition with a salary cap put in place for the Welsh regions. The repercussions from this are yet to be seen.

Previously published at http://swingingballs.co.uk/magazine/2011/02/exodus/

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Post by Thomond Mon 13 Feb 2012, 11:46 pm

Great article, interesting to have a Swedish rugby fan, nevermind a Swedish female rugby fan! I saw a Swedish u-19 team play a local u-17 side a few weeks ago. Sweden had some lovely players, including the outhalf.

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Post by Artful_Dodger Tue 14 Feb 2012, 9:34 am

Big structural changes needed in regionalism one has to feel. I think the WRU have missed a great opportunity to bring in central contracts as they have instead gone for a salary cap rather bizarrely.

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Post by Yess_18 Wed 15 Feb 2012, 12:04 pm

Thomond wrote:Great article, interesting to have a Swedish rugby fan, nevermind a Swedish female rugby fan! I saw a Swedish u-19 team play a local u-17 side a few weeks ago. Sweden had some lovely players, including the outhalf.

As I wrote in the article, it was hard to avoid getting interested in rugby Very Happy In Sweden rugby is mainly played around the big towns in the south. I am from the north where rugby so far hasn't made any ground. It is football and ice hockey that are the two main sports. However, the system for youth taking part in sport is very well developed in Sweden and compared to here, very well funded from the state and local councils. If rugby as a sport get in to the schools more who knows what might happen? Though with a small population, football, ice hockey and the last 20 years innebandy (floorball) such big sports, it will be very hard to grow, unfortunatley.

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Post by Thomond Wed 15 Feb 2012, 12:11 pm

Yes, I read a book about football recently and in it they talked about which countries overacheive given their population and Sweden/Norway were up in the top 10. Mainly because they have such outstanding facilities and also because children there are encouraged to play sport and Sweden is one of the fitter countries in the world too with a low obesity rate.

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Post by gowales Wed 15 Feb 2012, 3:08 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Big structural changes needed in regionalism one has to feel. I think the WRU have missed a great opportunity to bring in central contracts as they have instead gone for a salary cap rather bizarrely.

They can't afford central contracts and they probably never even thought about it. That was just a made up story flouting around. Maybe they should have gone for a top up system where the WRU can top off the salaries of the international players.
Anyway we can't afford central contracts at the moment and until we fix the regional system and the poor support for it there's no point looking at that.


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Post by Ospreydragon Wed 15 Feb 2012, 10:02 pm

Yess_18, That's an interesting, well-written article.

Gatland has made it clear that players who decide to play outside Wales should ensure that they have clauses written into their contracts that guarantee their availability for Wales' games and training camps. Many players have not got such guarantees in their contracts, however, so they do miss games (especially those games outside the IRB window).

A major problem in Wales is poor coaching and poor marketing. The WRU needs to work with the regions to improve coaching at all levels, especially in the academies, but throughout the age groups. And there needs to be more emphasis on developing younger players' skills, rather than bulking up in the gym.


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Post by Shifty Wed 15 Feb 2012, 10:23 pm

Great article and interesting to read, I was wondering if you are Zurichosprey off the Ospreys forum when I saw Sweden in the article? Smile

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Post by Yess_18 Thu 16 Feb 2012, 8:18 pm

Zurich is in Switzerland so no, that's not me...

Glad you liked article.

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Post by Cadair Idris Thu 16 Feb 2012, 10:33 pm

Ospreydragon wrote:Yess_18, That's an interesting, well-written article.

Gatland has made it clear that players who decide to play outside Wales should ensure that they have clauses written into their contracts that guarantee their availability for Wales' games and training camps. Many players have not got such guarantees in their contracts, however, so they do miss games (especially those games outside the IRB window).

A major problem in Wales is poor coaching and poor marketing. The WRU needs to work with the regions to improve coaching at all levels, especially in the academies, but throughout the age groups. And there needs to be more emphasis on developing younger players' skills, rather than bulking up in the gym.


I think Gatland's basically right - the key is to have player release clauses for international duty. As long as they have those I see a positive advantage in established internationals like Phillips, Byrne and now Charteris etc heading off to France to improve further in a superb league, and allow the regions to bring through talented youngsters and future internationals in their place. Just like Webb now coming through at the Ospreys after Phillips left (and there's no doubt it has boosted Phillips' career too). The problem will be if our star youngsters, the Norths, JD2s etc start heading off before they've reached their prime, as that will just make the Welsh regions completely uncompetitive.

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Post by Glas a du Sat 25 Feb 2012, 10:01 am

Great article. Nice to have an outside perspective.

I think that England and France providing a 5th region is a good thing.

Our comparator is Ireland of course, they have excellent retention and good HC and Pro12 teams, but in my view a stagnating national side which is harder to get out of than into. The coach has part of the blame for this and a new guy may freshen it. However conservatism seems inbuilt to the system.
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Post by Thomond Sat 25 Feb 2012, 10:35 am

Without hijacking the thread, Glas, in Ireland we always had the "give it a lash" mentality, we were never going to be world beaters and if we gave the opposition a great game it was deemed to be decent. But now, when we are capable of competing with the world's best, some still have this view so guys aren't held fully accountable for their errors. We're also terrified of changing something in case you get caught out for it.

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Post by Yess_18 Sat 25 Feb 2012, 10:48 am

My main worry is the player base not so much the Exodus. Without the help of the "big" names to draw young kids to the sport something else should be thought of. My main problem with Gatland's law is that it's not consistent, will he tell each player personally if he will still get to play for Wales if he leaves or not....where in the pecking order they stand?

Generally, I am glad that so many seem to like the article Very Happy

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Post by Impossible Standards Mon 27 Feb 2012, 4:01 pm

Yess, nice thread. I do think however that this player exodus is not as bead as the media make out. 20 years ago Wales lost a lot of players to Rugby League due to money. The difference now is we have a depth of talent in the Academies to step in. The coaching has improved over the last few years in grass roots rugby and the WRU and trying to get kids involved on the back of a good World Cup campaign.

At the moment the welsh players are attracting interest but if we look at the history of these things it happens all the time. NZ lose players all the time and between about 2005 - 2010 they seem to have a big player drain. I think we should be able to ride the storm on this until the WRU come up with a way around it (if they do)!
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