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Post by mystiroakey Tue 28 Feb 2012, 6:45 pm

I understand davies is in the squad, who i think deserves his place. However i think bairstow is an awesome fielder and a future test player- would have been nice to see him in the squad

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Post by m@tt Tue 28 Feb 2012, 7:03 pm

mystiroakey wrote:I understand davies is in the squad, who i think deserves his place. However i think bairstow is an awesome fielder and a future test player- would have been nice to see him in the squad

Key word = "future".

He'll win Tests caps at some point, but now is far too soon. He only scored his first first-class century last year and has only made one decent score in each of one day formats.
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Post by mystiroakey Tue 28 Feb 2012, 7:14 pm

i like promoting the odd future talent early- like flinty and broad, both players struggled a little bit- however grew into so much more.

not advocating dropping prior mind- his record speaks for it self- however seems abit odd that someone can have such a top draw test bat average yet in all realities isnt a technically minded bat- but a see it hit it type,and also cant perform at the shorter formats!!

it sort of blows alot of theories out the water lets be honest- can it continue!

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Post by Mike Selig Tue 28 Feb 2012, 11:57 pm

mystiroakey wrote:seems abit odd that someone can have such a top draw test bat average yet in all realities isnt a technically minded bat- but a see it hit it type,and also cant perform at the shorter formats!!

it sort of blows alot of theories out the water lets be honest- can it continue!

I'm sorry? Prior is a proper batsman who could bat at 6 for any test side without too much trouble. What on earth does "not technically minded" mean? He is far better than a see it hit it player, he has shown numerous times he can build an innings properly if he needs to (most recent example his knock in the first innings against Pakistan, but of course even in his first series against Sri Lanka he looked the part with the bat - if not the gloves - and together with Bell nearly saved the first test IIRC). The reason he doesn't do so well in ODIs is because he plays fairly classically so his main scoring areas are cut off. That, and England never found the best place for him (I would have played him at 4 or 5 personally, where he could just bat).

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Post by mystiroakey Wed 29 Feb 2012, 6:47 am

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mystiroakey wrote:seems abit odd that someone can have such a top draw test bat average yet in all realities isnt a technically minded bat- but a see it hit it type,and also cant perform at the shorter formats!!

it sort of blows alot of theories out the water lets be honest- can it continue!

I'm sorry? Prior is a proper batsman who could bat at 6 for any test side without too much trouble. What on earth does "not technically minded" mean? He is far better than a see it hit it player, he has shown numerous times he can build an innings properly if he needs to (most recent example his knock in the first innings against Pakistan, but of course even in his first series against Sri Lanka he looked the part with the bat - if not the gloves - and together with Bell nearly saved the first test IIRC). The reason he doesn't do so well in ODIs is because he plays fairly classically so his main scoring areas are cut off. That, and England never found the best place for him (I would have played him at 4 or 5 personally, where he could just bat).

All i can say Mike is- have you ever seen prior bat? clasical batsman i almost fell of my chair- lol

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Post by eirebilly Wed 29 Feb 2012, 8:16 am

I also think that Prior is a classical style of batsman that is perfect for tests. He has come on in leaps and bounds to be up there as one of Englands most consistent performers.

He can do the ODI thing but he is more suited to Tests.

Baistow will get his chance, i really like his style but its just a little too early for him.
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Post by Stella Wed 29 Feb 2012, 9:33 am

Bairstow has had a couple of good 20/20 knocks. Should this elevate him above others?
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Post by Mike Selig Wed 29 Feb 2012, 10:24 am

mystiroakey wrote:
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mystiroakey wrote:seems abit odd that someone can have such a top draw test bat average yet in all realities isnt a technically minded bat- but a see it hit it type,and also cant perform at the shorter formats!!

it sort of blows alot of theories out the water lets be honest- can it continue!

I'm sorry? Prior is a proper batsman who could bat at 6 for any test side without too much trouble. What on earth does "not technically minded" mean? He is far better than a see it hit it player, he has shown numerous times he can build an innings properly if he needs to (most recent example his knock in the first innings against Pakistan, but of course even in his first series against Sri Lanka he looked the part with the bat - if not the gloves - and together with Bell nearly saved the first test IIRC). The reason he doesn't do so well in ODIs is because he plays fairly classically so his main scoring areas are cut off. That, and England never found the best place for him (I would have played him at 4 or 5 personally, where he could just bat).

All i can say Mike is- have you ever seen prior bat? clasical batsman i almost fell of my chair- lol

Erm... ok. Can you tell me in what way he isn't classical?

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Post by mystiroakey Wed 29 Feb 2012, 11:13 am

ok i think he has certainly developed- however the moments that stay in the mind when remebering prior is bashing 50 plus scores towards the end of test innings!!

and i dont understand how he cant do the same in the odi formats

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Post by eirebilly Wed 29 Feb 2012, 11:18 am

To me, when i first saw Prior bat, i thought that he would be a one day specialist. In the last few years he has really worked on his batting, his batting style and become one of the most acomplished batsmen out there.

I believe that he can still do it in the ODI team.
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Post by liverbnz Wed 29 Feb 2012, 3:18 pm


Prior hasn't suceeded in the shorter format of the game because he scores in similar areas and is relatively easy to set fields to. In Tests, as the fielding side your primary aim is to get the batsman out so there are more fielders around the bat and in catching areas and therefore gaps in the field which leave open the oppourtunity to take shots on. Those gaps are not there in ODis, and if you only score in certain places and are not the most innovative then you are going to become bogged down very quickly. And it's not just at international level he struggles, his List A stats are distinctly average. Given all that and that he had many chances before in ODis, the knee-jerk decision to oust Davies for the WC was bemusing.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed 29 Feb 2012, 3:41 pm

Ignoring the Prior debate is Bairstow really to be considered a stand in keeper ahead of Davies for tests at this point?

Currently England obviosuly see him as a speacilist limited overs batsman and want him to concentrate on that.

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Post by liverbnz Wed 29 Feb 2012, 3:54 pm

No. Absolutely not. Nowhere near good enough to keep in Tests.

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Post by Stella Wed 29 Feb 2012, 3:55 pm

Agree with liver.

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Post by Guest Wed 29 Feb 2012, 4:01 pm

i would rather have steve davies over bairstow.

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