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Post by Jenifer McLadyboy Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:47 pm

Discuss.........

PS. Leinster have to play the other 3 top teams in Europe, 3 weeks in a row.

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Post by tomhughesnice Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:52 pm

Urm, well observed? What else is there to discuss?

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Post by Pot Hale Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:00 pm

Nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

You could put 'nyah, nyah, na, nyah na' at the end of the title, I suppose.
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Post by SecretFly Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:10 pm

'nah, nah, nan, nah, nah' is how we probably pronounce it Wink

Anyway, two of them are Irish....still; which is much sweeter than Rabo representation actually. But no, I won't do the 'nah, nah' bit.

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Post by Pot Hale Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:34 pm

SecretFly wrote:'nah, nah, nan, nah, nah' is how we probably pronounce it Wink

Anyway, two of them are Irish....still; which is much sweeter than Rabo representation actually. But no, I won't do the 'nah, nah' bit.

Next we'll probably hear "four of the five teams left have an Irishman involved"

At which point, I'll reach for the bucket..... Smile
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Post by Jenifer McLadyboy Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:43 pm

Well I wasn't actually expecting a discussion. But don't you get a pain in your hoop listening to what a shyte league it is, and how it will never amount to anything. (Even from posters who support a team in it sometimes)

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Post by toml Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:45 pm

If sarries pull off a win then 3/4 would have an Irish coach. Pity we still have a Poopie national coach

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Post by LondonTiger Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:45 pm

toml wrote:If sarries pull off a win then 3/4 would have an Irish coach. Pity we still have a Poopie national coach

Alex King is assistant coach at Clermont - so there will be some English representation in the semis.

Right where is that straw clutching smiley?

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Post by 3rdGrandslamCame Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:48 pm

Just goes to show the Rabo is the best league in Europe.

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Post by LondonTiger Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:54 pm

3rdGrandslamCame wrote:Just goes to show the Rabo is the best league in Europe.

Nope, shows they have some of the best teams in Europe. After all, Spain have 2 teams in the footie European semis - not many claim that makes it the best league in Europe.

If i was feeling mean spirited, I could say it works very well as a development league rather than a competitive league in it's own right. As i am not - i shall just say it is different.

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Post by Pot Hale Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:02 pm

Well at least you could say there's two British-based teams who've made it through to the semis. Wink
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Post by LondonTiger Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:09 pm

Ah yes I am a UK citizen. I am UKish Smile

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Post by CurlyOsp Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:16 pm

The team that are second from bottom in the Rabo are one of the best 4 in Europe. Must be the best league in Europe then.

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Post by SecretFly Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:33 pm

Pot Hale wrote:Well at least you could say there's two British-based teams who've made it through to the semis. Wink

One of them is only partly British-based. Ulster is an Irish Province not a political region of Britain. A map will explain it. Some of Ulster makes up Northern Ireland (the political bit that is British administered) and some of it is in the Republic.

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Post by Artful_Dodger Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:35 pm

Lets not go down that road fella's.

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Post by SecretFly Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:41 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Lets not go down that road fella's.

It's important that education continues outside the classroom. Knowledge is power Wink

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Post by HammerofThunor Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:45 pm

It just goes to prove that the PRO12 unfairly allows their teams to focus on the HEC. They really need to change the structure





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Post by gowales Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:46 pm

CurlyOsp wrote:The team that are second from bottom in the Rabo are one of the best 4 in Europe. Must be the best league in Europe then.

No, that shows that playing in a non relegation league means Edinburgh can fully focus on the HC. If Clermont for instance were second from bottom in the Top 14, you sure as hell wouldn't see a full strength team playing.

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Post by Artful_Dodger Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:49 pm

Ring fencing time for the Aviva and Top14 no doubt.

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Post by gowales Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:55 pm

I think relegation and promotion really adds to the Aviva and Top 14, i hope they don't ring fence their leagues and i can't see it happening.

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Post by HongKongCherry Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:57 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Ring fencing time for the Aviva and Top14 no doubt.

It's not ring fencing that's needed, just let every side qualify for the HC
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Post by Artful_Dodger Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:58 pm

You say that as thought HC spots are allocated to leagues rather than countries - they arent - deal with it.

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Post by Artful_Dodger Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:59 pm

By the way it wouldn't matter if you had 11 teams in the Heineken they'd still all be out - you had one team in the quarters out of 7, why do you think you'd have more if another 4 weak teams were added?

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Post by gowales Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:00 pm

Still doesn't change the fact that the Pro 12 itself is a crap league Dodger. Top 14 and Aviva are on the way up, i'm not to sure they really give a damn.

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Post by Artful_Dodger Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:01 pm

gowales wrote:Still doesn't change the fact that the Pro 12 itself is a crap league Dodger. Top 14 and Aviva are on the way up, i'm not to sure they really give a damn.

Can't really take that comment seriously - if the top14 and aviva are on the way up why are their best teams getting destroyed in europe?

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Post by maestegmafia Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:01 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Ring fencing time for the Aviva and Top14 no doubt.

Th Aviva is practically ring fenced by the wealthier clubs only wanting clubs of a like mind in the premiership. London welsh and Cornish pirates for example are not allowed promotion even if they win the championship.

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Post by IanBru Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:01 pm

I'm just looking forward to three Scottish teams in the HC next year...

Melrose, anyone?
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Post by gowales Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:04 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:
gowales wrote:Still doesn't change the fact that the Pro 12 itself is a crap league Dodger. Top 14 and Aviva are on the way up, i'm not to sure they really give a damn.

Can't really take that comment seriously - if the top14 and aviva are on the way up why are their best teams getting destroyed in europe?

Because the top 14 and aviva are making money and their crowds are going up. Pro 12 sides on the whole are not doing this. Didn't you hear that Aironi has gone bust?

For example, not many German football sides go far in the Champions league but the Bundesliga is one of the best run and supported leagues in the world.

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Post by Artful_Dodger Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:04 pm

I'm talking to England fans on the 606 FB page right now- they think increasing the number of teams to 14 in the Aviva and then ring fencing is the answer - again I cant see how 4 more English teams would make any difference, the top English teams simply arent good enough, so why would those ranked 7-11 in the Aviva make any difference?

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Post by Artful_Dodger Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:06 pm

gowales wrote:
Artful_Dodger wrote:
gowales wrote:Still doesn't change the fact that the Pro 12 itself is a crap league Dodger. Top 14 and Aviva are on the way up, i'm not to sure they really give a damn.

Can't really take that comment seriously - if the top14 and aviva are on the way up why are their best teams getting destroyed in europe?

Because the top 14 and aviva are making money and their crowds are going up. Pro 12 sides on the whole are not doing this. Didn't you hear that Aironi has gone bust?

For example, not many German football sides go far in the Champions league but the Bundesliga is one of the best run and supported leagues in the world.

Actually the provinces crowds and accounts are great, Edinburgh have made into the HC semi's sounds like cause the Welsh regions arent cutting it you want to throw the toys out of the pram.

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Post by Coleman Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:06 pm

Scotland can sell it and use the money towards paying off the debt they're in. :-x


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Post by gowales Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:07 pm

I don't think anyone' proposing increasing the English teams are they? I thought it was about making qualification for Pro 12 sides based on their league positions

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Post by slartibartfast Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:09 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:I'm talking to England fans on the 606 FB page right now- they think increasing the number of teams to 14 in the Aviva and then ring fencing is the answer - again I cant see how 4 more English teams would make any difference, the top English teams simply arent good enough, so why would those ranked 7-11 in the Aviva make any difference?

They'd replace the Irish provinces Wink
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Post by Artful_Dodger Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:09 pm

Actually someone above just said they just need all the clubs in the Aviva to qualify for the HC - but seriously, what the hell difference is knocking a few teams out of the HC going to make?

If you wouldnt replace them with English and French clubs, why would you want to change the format of the HC to 18 clubs say?

Doesnt make any sense, Edinburgh beat Toulouse yet according to you they dont deserve to be in the Heineken based on their league position?

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Post by gowales Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:15 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Actually someone above just said they just need all the clubs in the Aviva to qualify for the HC - but seriously, what the hell difference is knocking a few teams out of the HC going to make?

If you wouldnt replace them with English and French clubs, why would you want to change the format of the HC to 18 clubs say?

Doesnt make any sense, Edinburgh beat Toulouse yet according to you they dont deserve to be in the Heineken based on their league position?

Well i'd like it because it would give a bit more meaning to the Pro 12. You can bet your bottom dollar that Edinburgh will be playing a 3rd string side in the Pro 12 for the rest of the season now.

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Post by Artful_Dodger Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:17 pm

Hmmm the rest of the season being 2 games.

Again what you are saying could destroy the HC - it could mean no Scottish or Italian sides in a particular season - disaster for European rugby and growing the game.

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Post by gowales Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:18 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:
gowales wrote:
Artful_Dodger wrote:
gowales wrote:Still doesn't change the fact that the Pro 12 itself is a crap league Dodger. Top 14 and Aviva are on the way up, i'm not to sure they really give a damn.

Can't really take that comment seriously - if the top14 and aviva are on the way up why are their best teams getting destroyed in europe?

Because the top 14 and aviva are making money and their crowds are going up. Pro 12 sides on the whole are not doing this. Didn't you hear that Aironi has gone bust?

For example, not many German football sides go far in the Champions league but the Bundesliga is one of the best run and supported leagues in the world.

Actually the provinces crowds and accounts are great, Edinburgh have made into the HC semi's sounds like cause the Welsh regions arent cutting it you want to throw the toys out of the pram.

No, not at all. I know the Irish sides are doing great, that's pretty obvious, but look at the rest. Yay a Scottish side have gone through to the Semi's for the first time in their history, still doesn't change the fact that they'll be playing front of an empty stadium in their other games.

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Post by gowales Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:22 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Hmmm the rest of the season being 2 games.

Again what you are saying could destroy the HC - it could mean no Scottish or Italian sides in a particular season - disaster for European rugby and growing the game.

I reckon a season in the Amlin could be really good for an Italian or Scottish side

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Post by HammerofThunor Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:23 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
Artful_Dodger wrote:Ring fencing time for the Aviva and Top14 no doubt.

Th Aviva is practically ring fenced by the wealthier clubs only wanting clubs of a like mind in the premiership. London welsh and Cornish pirates for example are not allowed promotion even if they win the championship.

Actually they can if they develop their infrastructure to a suitable level. It's to stop a rich backer from buying in players that are unsustainable for the long term. This should result in sides like Exeter getting to the Premiership [those requirements are also set by the RFU not the clubs]. The Pirates are currently working on it and are trying to get a Cornish stadium built to meet the criteria.

The clubs generally want ring-fencing (of course they would). The RFU doesn't want it because it allows any club to develop themselves up to the top level. I've said before that I'd prefer something like the league franchise system although that peed a lot of people off.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:34 pm

Yup Pirates are trying to get the stadium sorted, going through planning at the moment. Could well happen and give them the ground they need to push forwards.

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Post by HongKongCherry Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:58 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:I'm talking to England fans on the 606 FB page right now- they think increasing the number of teams to 14 in the Aviva and then ring fencing is the answer - again I cant see how 4 more English teams would make any difference, the top English teams simply arent good enough, so why would those ranked 7-11 in the Aviva make any difference?

You're missing the point, its not about extra teams its about having the ability to rest players in league games without the fear of not qualifying for next season's HC, and with ring fencing without the fear of relegation.

There is no argument that the English sides just weren't good enough this year, but surely the best league is gauged by how many people pay to watch it, along with TV revenue?
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:00 pm

On the revenues side, why are the French sides so wealthy?

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:02 pm

HongKongCherry wrote:
Artful_Dodger wrote:I'm talking to England fans on the 606 FB page right now- they think increasing the number of teams to 14 in the Aviva and then ring fencing is the answer - again I cant see how 4 more English teams would make any difference, the top English teams simply arent good enough, so why would those ranked 7-11 in the Aviva make any difference?

You're missing the point, its not about extra teams its about having the ability to rest players in league games without the fear of not qualifying for next season's HC, and with ring fencing without the fear of relegation.

There is no argument that the English sides just weren't good enough this year, but surely the best league is gauged by how many people pay to watch it, along with TV revenue?

Why would that be the gauge?The English and French leagues will always have higher viewing numbers and tv money purely because the populations in those countries are so much bigger than the Rabo teams although the Italians may change that some day in the very distant future.

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Post by HERSH Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:03 pm

It just goes to show what can be achieved when clubs can afford to rest players for meaningless games.

But well played to Leinster, Edinburgh and Ulster. OK
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Post by maestegmafia Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:12 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:On the revenues side, why are the French sides so wealthy?
Wealthy private backers, big tv money, huge attendences, good economy, massive advertising money.

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:15 pm

HERSH wrote:It just goes to show what can be achieved when clubs can afford to rest players for meaningless games.

But well played to Leinster, Edinburgh and Ulster. OK

Don't see how that makes any difference our sides can do whatever they want outside the HC.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:15 pm

yeah, the popularity of rugby is massive there isn't it. Eng can't come close to matching that. Wales can though, Cornwall could do if we got behind one side.

If France could translate it to their senior team they should win world cups and dominate Europe.

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Post by Artful_Dodger Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:20 pm

HongKongCherry wrote:
Artful_Dodger wrote:I'm talking to England fans on the 606 FB page right now- they think increasing the number of teams to 14 in the Aviva and then ring fencing is the answer - again I cant see how 4 more English teams would make any difference, the top English teams simply arent good enough, so why would those ranked 7-11 in the Aviva make any difference?

You're missing the point, its not about extra teams its about having the ability to rest players in league games without the fear of not qualifying for next season's HC, and with ring fencing without the fear of relegation.

There is no argument that the English sides just weren't good enough this year, but surely the best league is gauged by how many people pay to watch it, along with TV revenue?

Hmmm so because England have a population of 60 million and many more viewers therefore, the league is better than Ireland who have a population of 6 million, despite 2 Irish teams in the semi finals to Englands zero??

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:22 pm

eng would def benefit from teams guaranteed europe like Ireland so they can rest key players more.

players playing in less sides has to be good too.

Ireland have really shown what can be done with good management and development of players even with a smaller base.

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Post by HongKongCherry Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:39 pm

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Hmmm so because England have a population of 60 million and many more viewers therefore, the league is better than Ireland who have a population of 6 million, despite 2 Irish teams in the semi finals to Englands zero??

Your talking about which league has the best sides, but that doesn't mean the league is better. The AP has competitive games throughout, the Rabo doesn't. The Rabo has some excellent sides, but it also has some very poor sides too.
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