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Post by maestegmafia Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:02 am

Lets look at who the board rate as the best Utility Backs possible for the Lions next year.

Pick Two Utility Backs from the Poll below.

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Post by George Carlin Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:21 am

Well done Maesteg - the Halfpenny Thread.

Would have to be Leigh and Earls for me - Ha'penny provides another goal kicking option and Earls can play full back, wing or centre and was good on the last Lions tour (coming back well from a nasty bleed into his pectoral muscle as I remember it).

I am assuming that Henson is included because of his utility as a rugby player, reality show participant and general flypaper for derision.

Jonny May has a big future but not on this Lions tour - I expect him to feature on the next one.
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Post by Biltong Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:27 am

Maes, just checking, if Leigh Halpenny gets in here, then he doesn't qualify under wing or fullback?
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Post by dummy_half Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:36 am

1/2p to cover the back 3, Hook to cover 10, 12, 13.

Earls and Fitzgerald probably on stand by

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Post by rodders Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:18 am

Halfpenny and Earls for me... actually think I already picked Halfpenny at full back but hey ho......

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Post by Effervescing Elephant Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:23 am

Got to be Halfpenny and Earls. Although not sure how this affects the full back poll. Would rather have Halfpenny starting to be honest. Also i'd rather have Brown instead of Armitage in the poll.


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Post by KickAndChase Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:47 am

Why no other votes for Patterson? He sounds like he's quite good, got a name very simiar to a recently retired legend.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:52 pm

Fitzgerald and Earls.. already picked Halfpenny at 15, and I rate Fitzgerald higher than I rate Earls. I think Fitz is going to break into the Ireland team again very soon.

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Post by yappysnap Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:33 pm

Jonny May, will be the player of the tour.

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Post by EnglishReign Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:39 pm

yappysnap wrote:Jonny May, will be the player of the tour.

Strong words.

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:45 pm

Very strong words for a modal verb that only represents a mere possibility. If his name were Jonny B. Good that would sound a lot more convincing.

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Post by EnglishReign Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:51 pm

He is the best player in the world though.

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:55 pm

He May be. But I think he is not.

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Post by Londonirishollie Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:58 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:Got to be Halfpenny and Earls. Although not sure how this affects the full back poll. Would rather have Halfpenny starting to be honest. Also i'd rather have Brown instead of Armitage in the poll.

Brown is an out and out fullback. He doesn't cover anywhere else. Armitage covers 11,13 and 14 when needed.

At the moment i'd go for Halfpenny and Earls, but if Delon can get some form at Toulon like his brother has then he shouldn't be discounted. I still feel his exclusion from the last Lions tour has damaged him.

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Post by Effervescing Elephant Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:35 pm

Yes but Armitage is a c**t.
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Post by glamorganalun Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:14 pm

1/2 Penny and Hook, Hook may end up as the starting 10 by the time the tour comes around so may need another player to cover e.g., Wilkinson or Cipriani!

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Post by EnglishReign Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:17 pm

Halfpenny in every poll, he's bound to win. Let the others have a go Wink

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Post by EnglishReign Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:18 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:He May be. But I think he is not.

He's a rich man's Muliaina

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Post by maestegmafia Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:23 pm

EnglishReign wrote:Halfpenny in every poll, he's bound to win. Let the others have a go Wink

Even got two votes as a Tighthead. He is very highly rated as an all rounder.

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Post by Taffineastbourne Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:26 pm

Twas the scrum-cap that fooled folk!

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Post by Biltong Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:47 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
EnglishReign wrote:Halfpenny in every poll, he's bound to win. Let the others have a go Wink

Even got two votes as a Tighthead. He is very highly rated as an all rounder.

I think he even got most votes as a line out specialist.Utility Backs Choices of the Home Nations Roflbl10
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Post by maestegmafia Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:55 pm

biltongbek wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
EnglishReign wrote:Halfpenny in every poll, he's bound to win. Let the others have a go Wink

Even got two votes as a Tighthead. He is very highly rated as an all rounder.

I think he even got most votes as a line out specialist.Utility Backs Choices of the Home Nations Roflbl10

Seeing the size of his biceps I wouldn't be surprised as prop. Considering his gravitationally challenged disposition his line out ability is the stuff of marvel.

A real life superman...!

Wait, does Halfpenny wear a cape...?

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Post by Biltong Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:58 pm

He used to Maes, but it got stolen in NZ and an englishman jmped in the water and tried to swim away with it, I beleive the ferry's propellor ripped it to shreds.Utility Backs Choices of the Home Nations Idunno10
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Post by maestegmafia Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:06 pm

biltongbek wrote:He used to Maes, but it got stolen in NZ and an englishman jmped in the water and tried to swim away with it, I beleive the ferry's propellor ripped it to shreds.Utility Backs Choices of the Home Nations Idunno10

I'd be surprised if anyone could catch him. He was clocked at 110 mph adjusting his scrum cap.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:16 am

I put 1/2 p and May but as I think halfpenny should be going as starting 15, I'd say Earls as well
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Post by ChequeredJersey Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:20 am

Carpe Diem wrote:Yes but Armitage is a c**t.

A little harsh but the general sentiment is I think a valid point. With mixing several nations automatically additional discord and attitude issues are really not helpful in the Lions so the likes of Armitage and Care need to sort themselves out before they should be considered. Suggesting Henson as a tourist should be illegal (just kidding. But barely)
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Post by alcoombe Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:01 am

Halfpenny should be starting on the wing. Earls is the clear utility option. The only player on the list with significant international experience at centre, wing & FB. Not to mention a good understanding of the Lions environment.

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Post by Effervescing Elephant Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:03 am

A trifle harsh indeed Chequered, however having seen him 'strutting' his stuff in Torquay my comment stands! Very Happy
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Post by maestegmafia Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:16 pm

alcoombe wrote:Halfpenny should be starting on the wing. Earls is the clear utility option. The only player on the list with significant international experience at centre, wing & FB. Not to mention a good understanding of the Lions environment.

Luke fitzgerald is similar positionally to Earls, and a former lions test player, then James hook has covered Center, fullback and flyhalf at international level

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:24 pm

To be honest, I can see Fitzgerald overtaking Earls this year for Ireland, so he will be in front as a Lions option.

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Post by maestegmafia Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:07 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:To be honest, I can see Fitzgerald overtaking Earls this year for Ireland, so he will be in front as a Lions option.

Ireland are very lucky to have both at their disposal.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:02 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:To be honest, I can see Fitzgerald overtaking Earls this year for Ireland, so he will be in front as a Lions option.

Ireland are very lucky to have both at their disposal.

They are, so it is a shame they are wasting the talent available. Fitzgerald firstly should have went to the RWC, should be playing 13 (in my opinion) and Earls shouldn't be playing 13. Earls' skill set hasn't been used very well so far at 13 (in my opinion again).

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Post by alcoombe Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:21 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
alcoombe wrote:Halfpenny should be starting on the wing. Earls is the clear utility option. The only player on the list with significant international experience at centre, wing & FB. Not to mention a good understanding of the Lions environment.

Luke fitzgerald is similar positionally to Earls, and a former lions test player, then James hook has covered Center, fullback and flyhalf at international level

Yes, quite right, I'd blanked that Fitzgerald had featured a couple of times for Ireland at centre a number of years ago, though my point was about "significant international experience" and Earls has played a fair bit more at centre and more recently. He's definitely the only player to have featured for his nation at centre, wing and FB in the last year 12 months.

Hook covers a number of position, but not wing, which given there are two I think is essential from your no.22 shirt.

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Post by glamorganalun Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:26 am

Halfpenny and Hook are good goal kickers as well as utility positional players so have a good chance of a bench position if not starting.

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Post by maestegmafia Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:05 pm

alcoombe wrote:
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alcoombe wrote:Halfpenny should be starting on the wing. Earls is the clear utility option. The only player on the list with significant international experience at centre, wing & FB. Not to mention a good understanding of the Lions environment.

Luke fitzgerald is similar positionally to Earls, and a former lions test player, then James hook has covered Center, fullback and flyhalf at international level

Yes, quite right, I'd blanked that Fitzgerald had featured a couple of times for Ireland at centre a number of years ago, though my point was about "significant international experience" and Earls has played a fair bit more at centre and more recently. He's definitely the only player to have featured for his nation at centre, wing and FB in the last year 12 months.

Hook covers a number of position, but not wing, which given there are two I think is essential from your no.22 shirt.

I would not see Hook on the wing but as he covers 10, 12, 13 and 15 I think that is a huge benefit to your bench. Also a top goal kicker.

Meaning, as Wales do so often, you can have three backline subs on the bunch covering all the positions.

I would imagine that the backline will be something like.

Phillips, Sexton, Bowe, Davies, O'Driscol, North, Halfpenny. (he'll be ahead for his goal kicking)

You could have a bench of Youngs, Hook and Fitzgerald.

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Post by alcoombe Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:10 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
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alcoombe wrote:Halfpenny should be starting on the wing. Earls is the clear utility option. The only player on the list with significant international experience at centre, wing & FB. Not to mention a good understanding of the Lions environment.

Luke fitzgerald is similar positionally to Earls, and a former lions test player, then James hook has covered Center, fullback and flyhalf at international level

Yes, quite right, I'd blanked that Fitzgerald had featured a couple of times for Ireland at centre a number of years ago, though my point was about "significant international experience" and Earls has played a fair bit more at centre and more recently. He's definitely the only player to have featured for his nation at centre, wing and FB in the last year 12 months.

Hook covers a number of position, but not wing, which given there are two I think is essential from your no.22 shirt.

I would not see Hook on the wing but as he covers 10, 12, 13 and 15 I think that is a huge benefit to your bench. Also a top goal kicker.

Meaning, as Wales do so often, you can have three backline subs on the bunch covering all the positions.

I would imagine that the backline will be something like.

Phillips, Sexton, Bowe, Davies, O'Driscol, North, Halfpenny. (he'll be ahead for his goal kicking)

You could have a bench of Youngs, Hook and Fitzgerald.

His ability to cover a number of positions is most definitely very useful, but as you show, you still need someone to cover the wings on the bench, and if you're also picking Fitzgerald or Earls (or May from the poll) then Hook's cover for FB & centre isn't a significant factor. He's effectively in contention for the no.21 shirt (not the utility back 22 shirt), and the polls show that there are preferred FH backups for that place.

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