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Post by Liam on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:10 pm

There are a few Utd fans like myself on the board but like the LFC one set up, everyone are welcome to discuss Utd's results and news etc..

Playing Barca tomorrow night, only a pre-season game but would like to see Kagwa given a run out tomorrow night see what he's got against the best.


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Post by Bull on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:22 pm

United fan here.

looking forward to tomros game hoping Kagawa can play well and hope new signings are on the way

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Post by Crimey on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:26 pm

Do any United fans really want Moura and/or Van Persie?

As good as players as they are, they are signings for positions that you are already strong in. Surely Kagawa fills whatever hole that Ferguson thinks there was that Moura would fit in.

Really, two central midfielders should be key. One defensive, one as a playmaker. After that, right back and left back are surely more important to sign than a striker or attacking midfielder?

Just wondering what United fans think, as from the outside the dealings in the transfer window by the club seem very odd.

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Post by Bull on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:29 pm

No i dont want lucas or RVP tbh with CL i dont think there the players we need.

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Post by Liam on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:29 pm

Hope he does play, where he will is another story. Apparantly we have 20m left to spend, on 1 or 2 players depending on what SAF wants. Who would you go for. 20m isn't going to get us Modric or Moutihno haha. I would throw that at a holding midfielder in Sahin (unsettled at Madrid, Kagawa could prove a factor) or Strootman (Young promising midfilder, on verge of Dutch starting 11).

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Post by Crimey on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:30 pm

I also think it's crazy that the biggest sports franchise in the world has so little money for transfers. Glazer's just aren't running the club effectively.

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Post by Liam on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:31 pm

Crimey wrote:Do any United fans really want Moura and/or Van Persie?

As good as players as they are, they are signings for positions that you are already strong in. Surely Kagawa fills whatever hole that Ferguson thinks there was that Moura would fit in.

Really, two central midfielders should be key. One defensive, one as a playmaker. After that, right back and left back are surely more important to sign than a striker or attacking midfielder?

Just wondering what United fans think, as from the outside the dealings in the transfer window by the club seem very odd.

I'm with bull, they are very good players, RVP being established and Moura looking like being the next star but at this very point neither are what Utd need.

Up front, we already have Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck and even Macheda who's looked decent in pre-season. Wings, we have Nani, Young, Valencia plus Kagawa who is more than capable of of playing out wide). I would like to see a holding midfielder and a defender, LB/RB.

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Post by Liam on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:32 pm

Crimey wrote:I also think it's crazy that the biggest sports franchise in the world has so little money for transfers. Glazer's just aren't running the club effectively.

Appanrtly they are going to take half of what is raised from the NY stock exchange, sort of sums them up really.

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Post by Liam on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:33 pm

Actually, I'm going to put my stick my neck out and say we don't need a creative midfielder yet. We have Anderson/Carrick/Cleverly/Scholes/Kagawa who can all play that sort of role, or a more attacking role at that, I think we need a holding midfielder.

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Post by Crimey on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:37 pm

I really don't think Anderson is good enough for United, will be surprised if he stays there for much longer. I think he's still only there because he cost so much.

Carrick is getting older and I think you need to think of replacing him.

Scholes has one more year in him, I just don't think he's physically capable of going past that.

Cleverly is unproven, and I doubt he'll peak for a couple of years.

Kagawa isn't really that kind of player, more of an attacking midfielder than a playmaker, doesn't dictate the pace.

I just think to progress to the next level and get back to competing for the Champions League that playmaker is so important.

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Post by GSC on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:38 pm

Not just the playmaker, but actual legs in midfield.

And Anderson isn't good.
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Post by Liam on Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:58 pm

I think definitely next season we will need a creative midfielder but I think we have enough there, with Rooney dropping deep, just perhaps give the wingers more of a free role to come inside and play more of a role in the centre i.e. Nani

Next season with Scholes probably retiring, Anderson unless he has the season of his life moving on, Carrick another year older and another year of being average will need to be replaced. Then we will need a quality CM. Last season, we created more than enough, it was defensivley were we slipped up. We never had someone to hold in the midfield in order to break up counter attacks.

How many times were we hit on the break last season, Scholes and Carrick didn't have the legs to chase, so we need some mobility there, maybe Sahin if he's available.

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Post by Guest on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 12:04 am

Going back to the first couple of posts and Crimey's in particular, for the money he'd cost I'd see Lucas Moura has a huge risk regardless of however much potential he has

RVP I would love to see at United, Martyr mentioned how Rooney likes to drop deep which (I think) sometimes can be detrimental to our attacks, could you imagine him being able to do that because theres a player the calibre of RVP up top...frightening. If not RVP then I would honestly see how serious Liverpool are of wanting Carroll gone, Valencia crossing to him would be like Beckham to Yorke back in the day

The midfield is a stange one, the beginning of last season we started off like we would stroll to the title, and to be fair the midfield partnership of Cleverley and Anderson played a huge part in that. Anderson was tracking back and getting forward, even getting his name on the scoresheet a couple of times while Cleverly would make the passes to set up attacks and open up defences, we were brilliant. Unfortunately injuries pretty much derailed that partnership and we ended up with Carrick and Scholes and the latter part, and whilst neither are bad players to have at all, they are both the same type of midfielder and were content to sit back and pass and dictate the pace of the game as opposed to run at the opposition. I once seen an interview with SAF where he says the best midfielder pairing you can wish for would be a passer and a runner, but in the new year we just had two passers

I'm prepared to see how much of a go Nick Powell gets in the middle, we've already ruled out sending him out on loan as Ferguson feels he can come into the first team and be a squad player. If Anderson stays fit and plays like he did before injury last season then I have no issues

I think we do have defensive frailties, Evra got found wanting too many times last season and the less said for Rafael the better, cracking player going forward but i have to cover my eyes when somebody tries to take him on. My problem is who is there to buy? I begrudge spending the money on Baines when a better and younger LB has just signed for Barca for a little over 10 million and then Rafael does have age on his side so would we just ride this out and hope he gets better?

Onto the Glazers....scum, there's no other word for it


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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 12:05 am

How do you guys feel about the fact Norwich will do the double over you this season?
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Post by Crimey on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 11:10 am

The thing is, Van Persie also likes to drop deep. Van Persie is closer to a Rooney-type of player than a Hernandez or Welbeck.

It's why a part of me thinks that maybe Van Persie is an insurance option in case Rooney does leave, but his age makes that theory not very convincing.


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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Wed 08 Aug 2012, 11:27 am

To be honest, I can't see Man U signing Van Persie, not this season anyway. Just cant see Arsene vetoing the transfer. And if the board do it would show a distinct lack of ambition which would send shockwaves throughout the club. I think he would rather let him go for nothing then show this weakness. It s not like the paid out megabucks for him and his price is only going to get lower as the season goes on. If he leaves Arsenal, it will be for abroad.

Think it is a blessing in disguise if Lucas Moura goes to PSG. The money that Sao Paulo where commending with also the wages + agent fees, I think it would be spent better else where. On someone who is more established with a more professional demeanour. Cos at the end of the day, he is only going to PSG because of the money plus it’s an easier league to adjust to.

I think a left back is a must and I agree with the consensus that Baines is not the answer, but to be honest, I can't think anyone else off the top of my head.

I think Rafael can only improve but he is a weak link when Man U are playing against strong opposition.

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Post by Guest on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 12:07 am

Very poor performance tonight. Barca never really got out of second gear an they dominated us for the majority of the game

It was almost as if Barca were the football equivalent of boxings heavyweight champion and we were brought in as a sparring partner

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Post by Ent on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 12:16 am

What do you expect? They are vastly superior to us, our only player on par or close to any of their attackers has been dragged out of retirement.

Missing 3 penalties in a friendly is a major concern mind.

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Post by Crimey on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 10:29 am

United have been getting further away from Barcelona in recent years, which is worrying as really you would want to be getting closer like Real Madrid are doing.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 11:43 am

anderson doesnt really do much for them with the money he cost, seems obvious that he wants to leave, only problem is the decent clubs are not that interested in him. United players were getting booed by the Swedish crowd for passing it along the CB's and GK half of the game. Laugh Good to know the swede's know where the good football is played. Wink
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Post by two_tone on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 3:32 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:anderson doesnt really do much for them with the money he cost, seems obvious that he wants to leave, only problem is the decent clubs are not that interested in him. United players were getting booed by the Swedish crowd for passing it along the CB's and GK half of the game. Laugh Good to know the swede's know where the good football is played. Wink

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Post by Bull on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 3:52 pm

a Bid for RVP has stalled by the looks of things.

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Post by Hero on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 3:59 pm

Well done Bull on being 24 hours late on what Fergie has already said.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:01 pm

TheBrahmaBull wrote:a Bid for RVP has stalled by the looks of things.

In other news Man U have also missed out on Lucas Moura

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Post by GSC on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:03 pm

In unrelated news Man Utd have made a bid for Kagawa
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Post by dancingweeman on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:03 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
TheBrahmaBull wrote:a Bid for RVP has stalled by the looks of things.

In other news Man U have also missed out on Lucas Moura

And Paul Scholes has come out of retirement

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Post by Crimey on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:15 pm

I've heard there's also this promising young guy in the youth team....Ryan Briggs or something like that.

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Post by Bull on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:17 pm

i all ready knew just wanted to get something going.

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Post by GSC on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:17 pm

I hear united are going to hire some guy from Scotland to be their manager.

Good luck with that.
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Post by Crimey on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:20 pm

I think it's a huge mistake appointing that Busby, no managerial experience at all.

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Post by GSC on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:28 pm

Newton Heath changing their name?

Not sure their loyal supporters will be too impressed.
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Post by Hero on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:35 pm

I heard some lads from the Carriage and Wagon department of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway wanted a kick about on a Saturday, don't think they'll get much of a game though.

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Post by Crimey on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:38 pm

Did you see the other day? Some people kicking a pig's liver around, don't think it'll catch on...nutters.

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Post by Liam on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 4:59 pm

We have 20m to spend for the rest of this summer, this should go towards a creative midfielder. What team would sell their best asset at what is a pretty low big in todays world, maybe Kagwa will drop deep.

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Post by Guest on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 5:44 pm

I know I had a whinge last night about us being financially crippled (which I still stand by but more in the sense of what we could potentially afford to spend) but I don't believe there's only £20 million to spend, especuially seeing we had two ongoing pursuits for players that totalled £50 million

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Post by GSC on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 5:45 pm

I'd presume they'd dump Nani and Berbatov too gazzy to compensate
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Post by Guest on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 5:51 pm

potentially I suppose, but I don't see anybody paying big money for either. Berba due to his age and Nani due to approaching the last year of his contract

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Post by Liam on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 8:35 pm

Berba we'd be lucky to get 5m for, I'd be holding out for at least 25-30 for Nani

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Post by compelling and rich on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 8:38 pm

im fast running out of patience with nani, brillant on his day but so inconsistant. form drops dramatically when played on the left even though his game should suit it. valencia is now the number 1 right winger and rightly so as every game he puts a shift in and is very consistant. if he cant and wiont adapt his game (think its more mental with him more than anything else) then sell him.

think the selling of shares should free some extra cash, say what you want about the glaziers and thier ownership but i dont think thier stupid and i think they know that sometimes you have to spend to earn. the shares will clear a big chunk of debt and with it the very hurtful intrest, and so frees up some cash because without the intrest we would be making a shed load of profit every year

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Post by Crimey on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 8:39 pm

I don't think there'd be a lot of interest in Nani to be honest...

Juventus, PSG maybe?

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Post by Ent on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 10:17 pm

Nani is better than Valencia on the right, he should be frat choice IMO.

Some may find that controversial but he was sensational when fit on the right for the last 2 seasons, with more goals and assist than Valencia.

Valencia flatters to deceive, a tremendous athlete but his crossing is hit and miss and he can't cut inside and lacks composure in front of goal.

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Post by Guest on Thu 09 Aug 2012, 11:12 pm

I think the fact Valencia has been given the number 7 means he will be first choice when fit

At his best nani is probably the best player in our squad, unfortunately his inconsistency and decision making also makes him one of the more infuriating players in the squad as well

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Post by Ent on Fri 10 Aug 2012, 12:24 am

No doubt, I feel he is more consistent now - when fit and played on the right.

Has Valencia officially been given number 7 or just worn it in pre season?

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Post by Guest on Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:11 am

Yeah mate, Nick Powell has been given number 25 and Kagawa 26

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Post by compelling and rich on Fri 10 Aug 2012, 11:22 am

cant believe that anybody who has watched united since valencia arrival can believe that nani is a better player than AV.

he may not have as many tricks or flashy step overs and shots, but with valencia you know exactly what he's going to do and as a result the strikers do to. nani stops cuts back gets going stops again killing any momentum to any attacks by the time the balls played in the attackers are stood still. he reminds me of the early ronaldo who ran down blind allys everytime, the problem being ronaldo improved no end nani hasnt.

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Post by GSC on Fri 10 Aug 2012, 12:22 pm

Nani on form is better than Valencia, who's a bit of a one trick pony, but Valencia is far more consistent.
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Post by Small Time on Fri 10 Aug 2012, 12:48 pm

Yeah but Valencia's one trick is to get to the by-line and whip in great (more often than not) crosses, give me that any day of the week over a poor mans Ronaldo.

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Post by compelling and rich on Fri 10 Aug 2012, 12:56 pm

GSC wrote:Nani on form is better than Valencia, who's a bit of a one trick pony, but Valencia is far more consistent.

so 1 in 5 home games he's a better player

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Post by GSC on Fri 10 Aug 2012, 12:56 pm

Hence the consistent part picard
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Post by compelling and rich on Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:01 pm

GSC wrote:Hence the consistent part picard

wasnt a attack, simply illustrates my earlier point that valencia is overall a better player

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