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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 17 Oct 2012, 10:51 am

Former All Black Daryl Gibson has resigned from the Crusaders coaching team after Head coach Todd Blackadder planned a re-jig and offered Gibson a defence coach role, with a new attack coach to be hired. Gibson's phenomonally intelligent (I attended a couple of presentations he did as part of his Sociology thesis back when he was still a player) and has a pretty good record. After he finishes coaching NZ Maori at the end of the year he could be a pretty good signing for someone,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/7827506/Gibson-quits-as-Crusaders-assistant-coach


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Post by Portnoy's Complaint Wed 17 Oct 2012, 11:06 am

England need a decent defence coach. We've got Andy Farrell.
Which is like putting coils of razor wire over the 5m line and lobbing mortars from the trenches in the hope that the attacking backs will get lucky after going over the top.
Which is charge-down Charley deserves a V.C.

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Post by yappysnap Wed 17 Oct 2012, 12:00 pm

Was he the backs/attack coach before he left then?

England could use a decent coach in the mix amongst all the amateurs. Not sure if he'd have enough experience though or be able to get his point across with the trinity as it is.

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Post by LondonTiger Wed 17 Oct 2012, 12:06 pm

I'd have him back at WR in a heartbeat.

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Post by munkian Wed 17 Oct 2012, 12:16 pm

Dragons get your bloody wallet out you clarts !!!
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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 17 Oct 2012, 9:24 pm

I'd have him back at WR in a heartbeat.

I heard rumours in the summer of a former AB centre returning to WR as a coach. At the time I and others assumed Mauger. I'd love to have him back at Tigers.

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Post by Pot Hale Wed 17 Oct 2012, 10:11 pm

He's taking over attack duties from Declan Kidney.
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Post by munkian Thu 18 Oct 2012, 8:57 am

kidney actually has attack duties ?
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Post by George Carlin Thu 18 Oct 2012, 9:16 am

Would definitely have him back at Glasgow.

Loved the fact that he gave 2 fingers to the position of defensive coach.
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Post by yappysnap Thu 18 Oct 2012, 10:03 am

Would be interesting at Leicester. Perhaps with a view to an Eng role in the future.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Thu 18 Oct 2012, 7:53 pm

Would be interesting at Leicester. Perhaps with a view to an Eng role in the future.

Be more likely to end up with the Tigers DOR long term than end up with England. Tigers like ex-players as coaches and with Murphy yet to start his second career it would be good to get an option into the backroom team, especially as Cockers position seems slightly perilous at the minute.

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Post by Sin é Thu 18 Oct 2012, 9:17 pm

He turned down head coach of Tigers in 2008. Seems he wanted to bring up his kids in NZ.


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Post by Notch Thu 18 Oct 2012, 9:22 pm

Well it certainly wouldn't hurt Ireland to ask. At this stage, we're so desperate for an attack coach its become a standing joke. I just doubt anyone wants to join a sinking ship.
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Post by Sin é Thu 18 Oct 2012, 9:37 pm

Interesting article on attack v defence here.

Rugby fans must move with the times

17 Oct 2012

JON CARDINELLI writes that supporters and reporters pushing for an out-and-out attacking philosophy have zero appreciation for the current laws and trends.

You cannot go to a Stormers or Western Province press conference nowadays without hearing the same questions being asked. ‘When is the ball going to get to the wings? Why aren’t we playing rugby like the great Province team of the 1980s?’

Allister Coetzee had fewer grey hairs when he first started as head coach. Every week since he’s had to listen to ignorant and misinformed reporters whining about running rugby. He’s also had to endure criticism and accusations that the Cape side play a boring brand.

Springbok and WP captain Jean de Villiers looked exhausted when he faced the media last week, and perhaps that’s what caused him to forget protocol when answering this question for the umpteenth time.

De Villiers pointed to the Super Rugby competition as an example, where the Stormers had finished top of the 16-team league. Why, De Villiers asked, would they change a game plan that allowed them to win the South African conference? Indeed, it was just a week or so before De Villiers’s return that an experimental and more attacking approach had cost WP in a Currie Cup match.

The Stormers and WP are not the only teams to be criticised in this manner.

Bok coach Heyneke Meyer’s game plan is considered by many to be overly conservative. I’ve watched Meyer closely when he’s been asked about the game plan, I’ve seen him roll his eyes. The reporters have asked him, they’ve begged him, to change tact. Why oh why, they pleaded, couldn’t the Boks play attacking rugby like the All Blacks?

These people haven’t got a clue.

The All Blacks won all six of their Rugby Championship matches, and it was before that final match at Soccer City when Meyer made special mention of the New Zealanders’ defence. Their record in this year’s tournament will show that they’re the best defensive side by some distance, having conceded just six tries. After the game at the Calabash, Meyer again paid tribute to that defence, as well as the game management of flyhalf Dan Carter.

The All Blacks may be the finest attacking team on the planet, but their defence and kicking game has been the bedrock of their success. This has allowed them to win the 2011 World Cup, as well as the 2012 Rugby Championship, and has put them into a position to break the record for the most consecutive Test victories.

The All Blacks conceded one try per game in the Rugby Championship. The tournament average was 1.83. It’s clear the All Blacks were a cut above in this department, but when you compare this stat to the averages of lesser competitions, it confirms that defences are harder to crack at the elite level.

The defence may be weaker as you drop down the tiers of competition, but the common denominator is that the best defensive teams in the respective tournaments either go on to top the log or win a trophy. It wasn’t a surprise to see the best defensive teams finishing in the top six of the Super Rugby league. The round robin phase of the Currie Cup recently concluded, and wouldn’t you know it, the teams with the best defensive records have advanced to the play-offs.

One level down, and it is the Eastern Province Kings who have topped the First Division log, their unbeaten record closely correlated with defensive stats that read 27 tries conceded in 14 matches, 19 tries fewer than the second-placed Pumas.

Coincidence? I think not.

What rugby supporters need to understand is that the current law set prescribes an outstanding defence and kicking game as the key ingredients to any title surge. There may be instances where a team doesn’t execute effectively on the day, as has been the case for a few Cape teams over the past few seasons, but that doesn’t mean that the game plan is at fault.

The fact that teams like the All Blacks and the Sharks have enjoyed such try-scoring success shouldn’t detract from their defensive strengths. The Sharks started to come right towards the end of the Super Rugby competition when they embraced a balanced approach (they altered their previous strategy which had placed too much emphasis on attack). In the 2012 Currie Cup, they have finished the league in first place, having scored the most tries and conceded the fewest.

If you can wrap your head around these trends, you will realise why the Bok game plan is not flawed. I’m not saying the Boks are exempt from criticism, but rather that they should be judged and scrutinised within this framework.

Does Meyer have the right personnel for this game plan? Are the players executing the game plan efficiently? These are the questions the intelligent rugby supporter should be asking, not when the Boks, WP or the Bulls are going to start running the ball from their own tryline.

If you don’t like the way the game is played nowadays, by all means channel your aggression into a strongly worded letter to the IRB. The world’s coaches and players develop their game plans according to the laws. If the rules were tweaked so that the breakdown wasn’t such a lottery, perhaps more teams would take more attacking risks in their own half. There would be less kicking and more running.

For now, that remains a pipe dream. As long as the rules remain as is, teams will continue to place an emphasis on kicking and defence. It’s something that rugby fans must learn to accept: that there are no prizes for losing beautifully.

http://keo.co.za/2012/10/17/rugby-fans-must-move-with-the-times/

Interesting that Wayne Smith was the Chief's Defence coach and not as many assume, their attack coach!
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Post by Notch Thu 18 Oct 2012, 10:13 pm

That has little relevance to irelands need of an attack coach- we don't need a harlem globetrotters style of swashbuckling attack against all reason, we just need to know how to attack. We shouldn't play suicide rugby, because no-one else in international rugby does. They still know how to bring 11-15 into the game.

If you don't know how to use possession, you will end up turning over more ball and putting pressure on yourself anyway.
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Post by Sin é Thu 18 Oct 2012, 10:42 pm

I posted the article because Gibson didn't want to coach defence even though it is regarded as important as attack. I also pointed out that Wayne Smith became the Chief's defence coach which I'm sure some people though surprising at the time considering he had lots of offers to coach attack - nothing to do with Ireland's need of an attack coach.

Most coaches would want to know who they will be working with in 6 months time before accepting an offer, which is something the IRFU can't say at the moment.



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Post by Notch Thu 18 Oct 2012, 10:56 pm

Sin é wrote:I posted the article because Gibson didn't want to coach defence even though it is regarded as important as attack.

Headscratch

Really struggling to see the relevance here.
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Post by Sin é Thu 18 Oct 2012, 11:05 pm

The reason Gibson is leaving the Crusaders is because they wanted to make him defence coach. This article is about how important defence is. Why Gibson is leaving the Crusaders is as relevant as whether Ireland should/would approach Gibson.

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Post by Notch Fri 19 Oct 2012, 12:34 am

Yeah, but him not wanting to coach defence its not implying attack is more important than defence. Its saying he doesn't want to switch jobs.

I'm sure he'd tell you how important defence is, as would any coach of any rugby team at any level. It just doesn't happen to be his specialism.

A bit like how attack isn't Les Kiss' specialism Wink
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 19 Oct 2012, 8:11 am

Notch wrote:Yeah, but him not wanting to coach defence its not implying attack is more important than defence. Its saying he doesn't want to switch jobs.

I'm sure he'd tell you how important defence is, as would any coach of any rugby team at any level. It just doesn't happen to be his specialism.

A bit like how attack isn't Les Kiss' specialism Wink

I think it's more that he wanted to continue coaching the backs in both attack and defence rather than specialise. But the Crusaders attack wasn't quite as sharp as in the past this season. Rather like Ireland's Wink
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Post by Sin é Fri 19 Oct 2012, 10:01 am

Pete, Ireland were top try scorers in the 6Ns this year - it was our defence that let us down Wink

Trys for:
Ireland 13
Wales 10 (3 against Ireland)
France 8 (1 against Ireland)
England 6 (2 of those were against Ireland)
Italy 4 (1 against Ireland)
Scotland 4 (1 against Ireland)
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 19 Oct 2012, 10:13 am

Sin é wrote:Pete, Ireland were top try scorers in the 6Ns this year - it was our defence that let us down Wink

Trys for:
Ireland 13
Wales 10 (3 against Ireland)
France 8 (1 against Ireland)
England 6 (2 of those were against Ireland)
Italy 4 (1 against Ireland)
Scotland 4 (1 against Ireland)

Perhaps you need a specialist defence coach then Wink

And the Crusaders scored a lot of tries this season too - it's just that in a handful of key games they weren't able to get the job done, which they would have in the past
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon 19 Nov 2012, 11:36 am

Daryl Gibson has joined the brain drain to Australia, signing with the Waratahs as attacking skills and continuity coach: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/7970231/Daryl-Gibson-joins-Waratahs-as-attacking-coach

New head coach at the 'Tahs Michael Cheika also has Alan Gaffney working with the forwards and devising set-piece attacks.
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Post by LondonTiger Mon 19 Nov 2012, 12:18 pm

Looks like a pretty good coaching squad.

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