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Post by RogerLewis Mon 29 Oct 2012, 1:42 pm

This isn't who you think will be selected, but who you would like to see.

So many factors will determine the real selection next summer....

Match fitness
Injuries
Form
Six Nations form
Who's behaving off the pitch
Potential combinations
Currently uncapped players who might have a barnstorming 6N.

Even though Wales won the slam in 2012 it will have absolutely no bearing on summer 2013. We learned that lesson all too well in 2005 when some complete idiot thought that the merits of RWC 2003 would be completely transferable while undermining almost an entire squad of form players who had just won a grand slam.

I would be a twist of irony to see Gatland select a ridiculously large Welsh contingent, but two wrongs don't make a right. I love the lions it's a great tradition and I want to see the best players selected. If England hands down win the 2013 6N then I would actively promote the idea of a English dominated lions XV. What Woodward did was disgusting and it still annoys me to this day. Playing Wilko out of position against one of the best All Black teams ever seen, omitting the form 12 in NH rugby and one of the best wings the world has ever seen. It was a farce beyond belief.

Gatland should be able to raise the Lions a notch or two from 2009. I'm convinced there will be no bias.

If the Lions were picked now & all were fit I would like to see this team.

15. Leigh Halfpenny
14. Alex Cuthbert
13. BOD
12. Manu Tuilagi
11. George North
10. Johnny Sexton
9. Danny Care

8. Jamie Heaslip
7. Sam Warburton
6. Danny Lydiate
5. Alun-wyn Jones
4. POC
3. Adam Jones
2. Rory Best
1. Gethin Jenkins



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Post by Kingshu Mon 29 Oct 2012, 1:47 pm

Theres a lot of competation for places, 14 I'd have Bowe, and 6 would Prob be between SOB and Ferris. Lock Grey would be in with a shout.

To be honest I don't see the point of even looking at it now, not only will players form change, but th ebiggest factor is injuries.

Rem last tour the number of players tha didn't make it because of injury, and suspension.

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 29 Oct 2012, 1:58 pm

The two most exciting things for this tour are the amount of positions still uncertain of who would be best. Selection is a very tough call. Secondly that there are so many good players vying for each position.

By the time the six nations is over, hopefully we will all still be debating the merits of one lads vs another.

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Post by BamBam Mon 29 Oct 2012, 2:59 pm

Looking at your team, my changes would be Kearney at 15, Ferris at 6, Grey at lock, Tuilagi definitely not at 12, but maybe at 13. Also not sure that Warburton is the best 7 option at the moment

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Post by westisbest Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:15 pm

1 Jenkins
2 Best
3 Jones
4 Wyn Jones
5 POC
6 SOB
7 Warburton
8 Denton

9 Care
10 Sexton
11 Ashton
12 Roberts
13 Tuilagi
14 Bowe/Visser (see hoe he does next few months).
15 Kearney

just off the top of my head.

things can/will change though in the coming months.


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Post by bluestonevedder Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:25 pm

1. Jenkins
2. Best
3. Cole
4. POC
5. Grey
6. Ferris
7. Rennie
8. Denton

9. Care
10. Flood
11. North
12. Jonathan Davies
13. Tuilagi
14. Cuthbert/Visser
15. Foden

Bench players: SOB, Corbisiero, Charteris, Hartley, A.Jones, Youngs, Bowe, BOD.

Very rushed, but that's the rough make-up of my team for now.

NOTE; subject to a lot of change.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:34 pm

Very much subject to change, also definite Quins bias-

1. Healey- just. Pressurised by Corbs, Sheridan, Jenkins (if he can get starting at Toulon) and maybe even Marler depending if he can bring his loose game to the AIs
2. Best
3. Cole, just over Jones
4. O'Connell-
5. Gray- Ryan, Evans, Davies, Lawes, Big Jim all in the mix. Maybe even space for Shaw
6- Ferris but this is sooo close- easily could be 1 of about 10 players with virtually nothing between them
7- Rennie, just. Warbs up there, obviously, SOB too and maybe Robshaw
8- DEnton, but only if he never plays as badly as he did against Sarries and Munster ever again. Ever. THe others all a bit off, so Easter and Ryan Jones are my favourite back ups
9- Care, by a country mile.
10- Sexton- I'd consider Jones, Priestland too
11- Bowe- Ashton and Cuthbert there abouts
12- Davies
13- Tuilagi?
14- North
15- Halfpenny, just ahead of Kearney. Lots of options here
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Post by bluestonevedder Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:37 pm

Nice pack CJ, very similar!

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Post by BamBam Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:40 pm

Might be a stupid question, but is Jonathan Davies a 12 or a 13?

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:40 pm

Yeah, last year I'd have gone for Jenkins too,, but he's not starting for his club right now. Which puts Sheridan in the mix too, as does the fact that he is like the Aussies' version of the Bogeyman
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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:40 pm

bambamwillis wrote:Might be a stupid question, but is Jonathan Davies a 12 or a 13?

A rare centre who is actually rather proficient at either
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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:42 pm

And one I rate highly. He's got to travel if only for that (if I could clone him he might be my first choice 12 and 13)
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Post by bluestonevedder Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:42 pm

Yeh, I was hesitant with Jenkins, but eventually decided on him over Healy. To be honest, wouldn't mind seeing either turn out at all. Sheridan's tearing it up with Toulon, though with their starting pack, it must be pretty easy to get a good shove on at scrum time. Their starting 15 against Monterpellier recently was simply ridiculous.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:46 pm

The current Toulon, Toulouse (despite the loss to Stade) and CA teams are scary good. Can't look outside them in the HEC. Any team that beats all 3 in KO stages would deserve a 100 ranking points
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Post by bluestonevedder Mon 29 Oct 2012, 3:48 pm

Haha, I agree. The HC this year does seem to be tinted red, white and blue already.

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Post by BamBam Mon 29 Oct 2012, 4:08 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
bambamwillis wrote:Might be a stupid question, but is Jonathan Davies a 12 or a 13?

A rare centre who is actually rather proficient at either

Ah, that explains why I have seen him at 12 and 13 in Lions teams. Not at the same time obviously..

Does he clearly play better at one of those, or have a preference for 12 or 13?

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Post by stnick88 Mon 29 Oct 2012, 4:27 pm

1 Healy
2 Best
3 Cole
4 Gray
5 O'Connell
6 Lydiate
7 Armitage
8 Heaslip
9 Care
10 Sexton
11 North
12 Roberts
13 Tuilagi
14 Ashton
15 Halfpenny

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Post by the-goon Mon 29 Oct 2012, 5:32 pm

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Cole
4. Gray
5. POC
6. Ferris
7. Rennie
8. Denton
9. Care
10. Sexton
11. North
12. Davies
13. Tuilagi
14. Cuthbert
15. Kearney

16. Ford
17. Jenkins
18. AWJ
19. SOB
20. Reddin
21. Flood
22. Halfpenny
(23. A. Jones)

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Post by thomh Mon 29 Oct 2012, 5:37 pm

From and England point of view, we have a number of players who are close calls or second choices. Guys like Care, Foden, Ashton, Marler, Cole etc could nail a first choice sport with a big season, but equally could fail to make the plane if fit.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 5:43 pm

I will be astounded if Care doesn't make the plane. Or Cole. TH is not a Lions area of strength, who apart from Jones and Cole and Ross, way way way behind yhe first two, is really in the mix? Noone has a realistic back up option either
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Post by lostinwales Mon 29 Oct 2012, 5:46 pm

You have to hope the Scots are better come the AI's and 6N. Based on last year there would be a fair few contenders (Rennie, Denton, Ford, Laidlaw, Gray, Brown). Right now things are looking grim.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 5:47 pm

Brown is playing well
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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 5:49 pm

I'd actually love to see Brown, Rennie, Denton in the Scotland backrow. Then Ford can give Brown yhe captaincy too so Ford can work on improving his recent form

No team around should underestimate a 4-8 group of Gray, Hamilton, Brown, Rennie and Denton
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Post by lostinwales Mon 29 Oct 2012, 5:52 pm

Yep - on form that bunch is brutal

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Post by LondonTiger Mon 29 Oct 2012, 6:00 pm

Stolen from someone else, my lions team:

15) The Detroit Lions
14) Frasier the Sensuous Lion
13) Slap Happy Lion
12) Samson (and Ryan)
11) The Cowardly Lion
10) Leo
9) Alex
8) The MGM Lion
7) Lion-O
6) Lambert the Sheepish Lion
5) King Leonidas
4) King Moonracer
3) Aslan
2) Simba
1) Richard the Lionhearted

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Post by majesticimperialman Mon 29 Oct 2012, 6:06 pm

Is any one Nailed on at this moment for a Lions start?

Why folks are picking Gethin Jenkins at the moment i have no idea. seeing that he is not first choice for toulon, why should he be first choice for the Lions?

With Adam Jones being injured and out of the Ais, why will he be Nailed for a lions start..Will he even make the Lions call up?

I still think it is too early for any one to make any sugestion of a starting team for the Lions?

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Post by majesticimperialman Mon 29 Oct 2012, 6:14 pm

I have also noticed that alot of people are still picking Sam Warburton to "START" at 7. Is he truely the best 7 in the the 4 teams that make up the British and Irish Lions?

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Mon 29 Oct 2012, 6:18 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Is any one Nailed on at this moment for a Lions start?

Why folks are picking Gethin Jenkins at the moment i have no idea. seeing that he is not first choice for toulon, why should he be first choice for the Lions?

With Adam Jones being injured and out of the Ais, why will he be Nailed for a lions start..Will he even make the Lions call up?

I still think it is too early for any one to make any sugestion of a starting team for the Lions?
I would have thought SOB would have been nailed on. Shows how much I know I guess.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 6:35 pm

Where would SOB start?
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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Mon 29 Oct 2012, 6:38 pm

Would rather have John Barclay than Ross Rennie at 7 tbh
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Post by LeinsterFan4life Mon 29 Oct 2012, 6:45 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Where would SOB start?
Id have him at 6 for the lions.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 6:47 pm

Over Ferris? Just a question.

If Rennie's form doesn't pick up, could definitely be at 7, but I don't see him as a nailed on starter.
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Post by king_carlos Mon 29 Oct 2012, 7:33 pm

As many have said there's not too much point trying to predict this far out with lions tours, but just for fun!

1.Jenkins (would be happy with Healy or Sheridan at the moment though)
2.Best
3.Jones (Cole pushing very close)
4.POC
5.Gray
6.Ferris
7.Warburton
8.Heaslip

9.Care
10.Sexton

11.North
12.Roberts
13.BOD
14.Bowe
15.Kearney

16.Ford 17.Cole 18.AWJ 19.Croft 20.Phillips 21.Flood/Wilko 22.Halfpenny

Obviously the half backs are looking like a problem. Cares form at SH is starting to ease some nerves but Mike Phillips struggled for a while now, Youngs is inconsistent and nobody's really sure who's going to be the starting 9 for Wales or Ireland at the moment (I do rate Conor Murray though).

One other problem I see is which prop plays on the bench. No real option who can play both LH and TH well at the moment. Jenkins has played TH occasionally but other than him the front runners of Sheriden, Healy, Jones, Cole, Ross etc are specialist at one or the other. Could work in Corbisiero's favour when fit as he can play a bit of both.

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 29 Oct 2012, 7:40 pm

My suggestion is not who is in form now but who I think will be on form by the end of the six nations, when the squad is selected. Should these players be fit, this is who I think would do the best as the test xv.

Gethin
Best
Jones

POC
Gray

Ferris
Warburton
Faletau

Marshall
Sexton

North
Davies
Bod
Bowe
Foden

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 29 Oct 2012, 7:56 pm

Are 23 man benches not around for INTs now?
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Post by maestegmafia Mon 29 Oct 2012, 8:21 pm

Not yet

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Post by BigTrevsbigmac Mon 29 Oct 2012, 9:34 pm

If the Lions were picked now & they were all fit ( as OP stated) it would be dominated by the English & Irish as they are clearly the players in form.

Picking a team now ignoring that will be skewed by favouritism & national bias.

Anyway OP when are we going to see your report on the Regions finances?

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Post by nganboy Mon 29 Oct 2012, 10:51 pm

You know seeing how much you guys go on about the Lions makes me a little jealous that you have this other level to talk about.

It really does make me wonder how well an ANZAC or SANZAR team would be received and supported. Wouldn't it be great for Kiwis and Aussies and Saffas to be on the same side for a short while?
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Post by Standulstermen Mon 29 Oct 2012, 11:25 pm

Denton has been dire of late. Rennie missed a couple of games. Warburton looks really poor at present. Tipuric looks the best current option. Would hope SOB returns with his summer tour form but that it is hypothetical.

Cole is far and away the current outstanding candidate at TH. Cuthbert is outshining north in a dreadful team. Jamie Roberts form is worrying too although I think he (and the others blues) will improve massively with the national team

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Post by bedfordwelsh Tue 30 Oct 2012, 12:02 am

Healy
Best
Jones
AWJ
Gray
Lydiate
Heaslip
Rennie

Phillips
Sexton

North
Davies
Tuilagi
Cuthbert

Kearney
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Post by maestegmafia Tue 30 Oct 2012, 1:41 am

Hey Bedford,

That backrow would be to slow and Denton is not playing well this season.

I think your locks are interesting, that looks a good combo. With another backrow jumper that would be very competitive.

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Post by maestegmafia Tue 30 Oct 2012, 1:46 am

BigTrevsbigmac wrote:If the Lions were picked now & they were all fit ( as OP stated) it would be dominated by the English & Irish as they are clearly the players in form.

Picking a team now ignoring that will be skewed by favouritism & national bias.

Anyway OP when are we going to see your report on the Regions finances?

Based on the HEC?

Hmm..!

There are plenty of good performers at English and Irish teams but not all of those are necesarily qualified for the British and Irish lions.

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Post by BigTrevsbigmac Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:14 am

maestegmafia wrote:
BigTrevsbigmac wrote:If the Lions were picked now & they were all fit ( as OP stated) it would be dominated by the English & Irish as they are clearly the players in form.

Picking a team now ignoring that will be skewed by favouritism & national bias.

Anyway OP when are we going to see your report on the Regions finances?

Based on the HEC?

Hmm..!

There are plenty of good performers at English and Irish teams but not all of those are necesarily qualified for the British and Irish lions.

I didn't say they were all Lions qualified but to select the likes eg. Warburton right now is a nonsense & the majority of the English & Irish first team squads are performing well as compared to the Scots & Welsh (with very few exceptions) who are pants.

Its more than a leap of faith to chose Warburton who has barely played a decent game since the WC & as for his & many other players 'performance' for the Blues the other night. Well........

Can you imagine other countries captains eg. BOD or Robshaw putting in performances like that for Leinster or Harlequins ? I can't, it was a disgrace to himself & the Region.

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Post by thomh Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:30 am

Did he just play badly or was there something particularly disgraceful about it?

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Post by thomh Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:33 am

maestegmafia wrote:
Based on the HEC?

Hmm..!

There are plenty of good performers at English and Irish teams but not all of those are necesarily qualified for the British and Irish lions.

Who do you mean specifically? At Harlequins, Saracens and Leicester it seems that the top performers in the HC have all been English guys. Northampton have Tonga'huia and the Pisis, but other than that they're a largely English team as well.

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Post by RubyGuby Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:45 am

Judging individual peformances from players within strong teams and players within poor teams is a complex process. To assume that the player in the strong team is that much better is naive to say the least. You will all have your answers regarding Warburton and the others after the AI's, why not save it till then. Some players are having arm chair rides whilst others are facing a contiinuous physical tide in sides which are not up to competing. You cannot criticise the individual player for that. Saracens make Charlie Hodgson look a strong out half, put him in the Sale team and he'd be a headless chicken - Some are even calling for Hodgson for the Lions - - Laughable thumbsup

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Post by boomeranga Tue 30 Oct 2012, 11:46 am

My first of many Wallabies teams to take on the Lions

Robinson
Moore
Dan Palmer
Horwill
Timani
Higginbotham
Pocock
Palu
Genia
Beale
Ioane
Tapuai
AAC
Joe Tomane
JOC

TPN
Kepu
Douglas
Hooper
Nick White
Christian Lealiifano
McCabe

I'm expecting more Brumbies next year.


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Post by SuperGuinness69 Tue 30 Oct 2012, 12:11 pm

Healy
Hartley
Jones
Gray
O'Connell
Ferris
Warburton
Faletau

Care
Sexton
North
Davies
Tuilagi
Ashton
Kearney

Best
Cole
Lawes
O'Brien
Phillips
Wilkinson
Halfpenny

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Post by Cotupina187 Tue 30 Oct 2012, 3:16 pm

I thought it was funny that the whole moral of the original post was about bias... then I seen his team and its obvious of the Welsh bias. Laugh

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Post by Cryptoyourisan Tue 30 Oct 2012, 3:36 pm

Without putting too much thought into, the team I would like to see is:

15) Halfpenny
14) Ashton
13) Davies
12) Tuilagi
11) North
10) Sexton
9) Care

1) Jenkins
2) Best
3) Cole
4) Gray
5) Charteris
6) Ferris
7) Armitage
8) Heaslip

16) Strauss
17) Ross
18) Lawes
19) O'Brien
20) Phillips
21) Burns
22) Hogg

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