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Post by Crimey Thu 08 Nov 2012, 1:06 pm

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The surprise additions are Jack Wilshere, Raheem Sterling, Jonjo Shelvey and Leon Osman.

Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Celtic), Joe Hart (Manchester City), John Ruddy (Norwich City).

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Ryan Bertrand (Chelsea), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Steven Caulker (Tottenham), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Ryan Shawcross (Stoke City), Kyle Walker (Tottenham).

Midfielders: Tom Cleverley (Manchester United), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Aaron Lennon (Tottenham), Leon Osman (Everton), Jonjo Shelvey (Liverpool), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal), Ashley Young (Manchester United).

Forwards: Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea), Daniel Welbeck (Manchester United).

I know that Wenger insisted Wilshere not be selected, but Wenger can't pick Wilshere in every game possible he's been fit for and then claim England can't use him because of his fitness.

I think Sterling's call up is probably justified, he might get a ten minute run out or so which will stop Jamaica swooping around and is a pat on the back for his good form.

People have been calling for Osman's inclusion for years, I get why he's been picked as he's been in a good form, but if we're being realistic, and we should be, he's not going to break into international football now. It's similar to the caps given to Kevin Davies I think.

I think the starting XI against Sweden will probably be:

Ruddy

Johnson
Cahill
Jagielka
Bertrand

Walcott
Gerrard
Wilshere
Young

Rooney
Welbeck

I then expect to see probably every player brought on, apart from Forster most likely.

I'm not sure how Sturridge can get into the squad, he's played very little for Chelsea, and when he has played he hasn't set the world on fire.

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Post by mystiroakey Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:23 pm

Ibram wow!!

speachless!

what a player- great game as well

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Post by Duty281 Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:24 pm

OK, three equally wonderful goals by Ibrahimovic has given Hodgson his first loss. Mind you, you could say Hart was at fault for two of them. Still, the first loss had to happen some time, yes?

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Post by mystiroakey Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:25 pm

3----you mean 4!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:32 pm

To be fair there were some encouraging signs there for England. These friendlies are pretty pointless but you do get to blood some new players and I thought we looked better than we have done. It took a world class performance from a world class player to beat our side.

Must say I thought Osman did well. Amazing that picking a player who is in form, and then he plays well. Maybe we should do that more often no matter what team the player plays for the in the Prem Whistle
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Post by mystiroakey Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:35 pm

osman showed he has got a great touch!!

good signs from him i agree


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Post by Guest Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:39 pm

Grant Holt V2 wrote:

Must say I thought Osman did well. Amazing that picking a player who is in form, and then he plays well. Maybe we should do that more often no matter what team the player plays for the in the Prem Whistle

Let go Olly, it ain't happening. Hug

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:41 pm

FreekShow wrote:
Grant Holt V2 wrote:

Must say I thought Osman did well. Amazing that picking a player who is in form, and then he plays well. Maybe we should do that more often no matter what team the player plays for the in the Prem Whistle

Let go Olly, it ain't happening. Hug

I'm not saying that, I'm saying players like Noble and Nolan were overlooked for the squad, and they are in top form. Lambert also, Holty burnt that bridge lol
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Post by Guest Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:45 pm

Nolan should have won His first cap 5 years ago. Baffles me why he's never been given a fair crack.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:46 pm

FreekShow wrote:Nolan should have won His first cap 5 years ago. Baffles me why he's never been given a fair crack.

Maybe because he doesn't play for a fashionable club? I wonder if Shelvey and Cleverley would get in if they played for West Ham...
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Post by Guest Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:50 pm

West Ham won the world cup you know Olly. Wash your mouth out, calling them unfashionable. You'd be horsewhipped in the East End if they ever heard you say that. Wink

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 14 Nov 2012, 9:52 pm

FreekShow wrote:West Ham won the world cup you know Olly. Wash your mouth out, calling them unfashionable. You'd be horsewhipped in the East End if they ever heard you say that. Wink

I'm only going with the consensus. You have no idea how annoying it is to watch players be called up to international squads who play for the big clubs (well I say play, they warm the bench i'm looking at you Sturridge and Cleverley) get the call ups over in form players who play for teams that maybe aren't as "big" or "fashionable". Pisses me off
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Post by Ent Wed 14 Nov 2012, 10:47 pm

Grant Holt V2 wrote:
FreekShow wrote:West Ham won the world cup you know Olly. Wash your mouth out, calling them unfashionable. You'd be horsewhipped in the East End if they ever heard you say that. Wink

I'm only going with the consensus. You have no idea how annoying it is to watch players be called up to international squads who play for the big clubs (well I say play, they warm the bench i'm looking at you Sturridge and Cleverley) get the call ups over in form players who play for teams that maybe aren't as "big" or "fashionable". Pisses me off

Young players breaking into European teams are always going to get picked, why should 30+s who've hit a bit of form for once get the nod?

You've only to look at this squad to see smaller clubs get represented, Zaha, Forster, Ruddy, Baines (if Osman is considered to play for an unfashionable club), Jagielka, Shawcross. Butland has also been capped recently.

This is all a myth, lets face it you are more likely to be a better player if you are playing in a team that is challenging for trophies and europe.

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Post by Crimey Wed 14 Nov 2012, 11:36 pm

Nolan has always feasted on a big man knocking the ball down, whether that be Kevin Davies, Shola Ameobi, Andy Carroll or Carlton Cole, while England have been accused of hoofball over the years I can't think of a time when they have actively tried to play a system which would ever get the best out of Nolan.

Nolan's best years also came in the prime years of Gerrard and Lampard, he was obviously going to struggle to get into the side as he plays in a similar position to both of these guys. I don't think it has to do with the club he plays at, and this is from somebody who's always been a bit of a fan of Nolan.

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Post by nasisillmatic Thu 15 Nov 2012, 9:43 am

Is it only me who doesn't rate Joe Hart as a top keeper?

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Post by Crimey Thu 15 Nov 2012, 10:57 am

nasisillmatic wrote:Is it only me who doesn't rate Joe Hart as a top keeper?

This season he has been pretty awful.

I think for Manchester City last season he was world class, and in the Champions League this year he has also been very good. However I've always thought he doesn't look quite as confident when playing for England, and this year in the Premier League for Manchester City he hasn't looked like a top class goalkeeper at all.

I think he has the potential to be the best keeper in the world, in goalkeeper years he is actually very young so has a long way to go to reach his prime, so if he can wean out the poor performances then he'll get there.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 15 Nov 2012, 1:15 pm

All young GK's have to make mistakes and learn from them. The errors he is making now will only serve to make him a better GK in the future

I did find it strange that neither Ruddy or Forster got a half
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Post by nasisillmatic Thu 15 Nov 2012, 1:55 pm

Hart's 25. While it can take keepers longer to mature, the best keepers in the world have been at the top of their game at 25.

I just don't think he will live up to the expectations placed upon him for the last 2 years.

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Post by Crimey Thu 15 Nov 2012, 2:21 pm

I don't think 25 is anywhere near the peak level for goalkeepers, it's closed to 30 to be honest.

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Post by Duty281 Thu 15 Nov 2012, 2:51 pm

Keepers are generally in their prime from 29 onwards. Look at Friedel, doing a sterling job for Spurs and he's 40.

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Post by nasisillmatic Thu 15 Nov 2012, 3:36 pm

Freidel was a late bloomer. He wasn't playing every game until he was around 28.

Joe Hart is now in his 5th year in the Premier League as a number 1 keeper, he should being showing more than I've seen so far if he is to be classed as a top keeper. In 4 years time I'd expect De Gea to be a world class keeper, as he will have the experience of been playing in the top leagues for many years. He would still only be 25.

Just look at Reina, when we signed him he was 24. Yet showed maturity well beyond his years, and was classed as a top keeper.

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Post by Guest Thu 15 Nov 2012, 4:51 pm

Hart is and has been getting the exact plaudits and praise that Paul Robinson was getting when he captured the England No:1 shirt a few years back. Where is he now? The point being we are too quick to praise in this country.

I'd say Hart's best work was during his loan spell at Birmingham. Luckily for him England are pretty bare in terms of back up in the goalkeeping department.

True world class goalkeepers are few and far between. There is Casillas, Buffon and the rest.

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