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Post by Guest Wed 28 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm

This just broke on Twitter.

What do you think?

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Post by Fists of Fury Wed 28 Nov 2012, 12:25 pm

Makes sense. Gives Flower a break from a stressful job and helps develop Giles further after already doing a fine job at Warks.

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Post by GSC Wed 28 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm

Yeah, theres been noises for a while about keeping Flower fresh and reducing his workload. At the same time allows England to concentrate their focus on both tests and ODIs, and groom a future full time England coach potentially.
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Post by Stella Wed 28 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm

Could be some politics!
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Post by guildfordbat Wed 28 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm

Where does this leave the King of Spain and the Bears?

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Post by GSC Wed 28 Nov 2012, 1:13 pm

Stella wrote:Could be some politics!

Can't imagine there'd be too many problems, ODIs and tests don't overlap that much. I imagine Giles knows he defers to Flower overall. If they can make dual captaincy work, 2 reasonable guys like Flower and Giles should be able to cooperate.
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed 28 Nov 2012, 1:28 pm

Bassicaly they dont want Flower to quit. He came very close during Pietersengate.

Makes a mockery of the idea that his players have to fully commit to all 3 formats but there you go.

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Post by Shelsey93 Wed 28 Nov 2012, 1:50 pm

A fantastic decision.

Resting Flower has long been proposed, but in reality is very difficult to do in any meaningful way (missing 5 one-dayers here or there is hardly likely to make a tangible difference).

This should both extend Flower's leadership of the Test team (hopefully to beyond the back-to-back Ashes), as well as ensuring that if and when he does quit the succession is not a major issue. Barring a World Cup defeat to San Marino, I'd suggest Gilo is now nailed on to be the next England Test coach.

A shame for Warwickshire, but I'm pretty certain one of Dougie Brown and Graeme Welch will step up and do a good job.

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Post by Fists of Fury Wed 28 Nov 2012, 1:53 pm

Farewell, oh King of Spain.

What a job he has done for the Bears, and I'm gutted to see him go, but England are in good hands. I wish him the best of luck.

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Post by Duty281 Wed 28 Nov 2012, 3:36 pm

Fantastic news. Flower had to do so much before, now his workload will be reduced and it allows for greater focus on the limited overs game. Good luck Ashley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mESB4zb3Wg

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Post by gboycottnut Wed 28 Nov 2012, 4:15 pm

Why wasn't Graham Gooch given a chance as he was already part of the England coaching setup?

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Post by Shelsey93 Wed 28 Nov 2012, 4:30 pm

I think Gooch's style isn't best suited to leadership: he's quite abrasive and likes to do things his way. In fact, the jury is out on Gooch as batting coach. I wouldn't be surprised if Graham Thorpe was promoted to replace him before too long.

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Post by Stella Wed 28 Nov 2012, 4:37 pm

gboycottnut wrote:Why wasn't Graham Gooch given a chance as he was already part of the England coaching setup?

Gooch and Pietersen? Not a match made in heaven. Got this image of Pietersen flying a tiger moth over Adelaide Very Happy
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed 28 Nov 2012, 4:43 pm

Stella wrote:
gboycottnut wrote:Why wasn't Graham Gooch given a chance as he was already part of the England coaching setup?

Gooch and Pietersen? Not a match made in heaven. Got this image of Pietersen flying a tiger moth over Adelaide Very Happy

Because hes too busy trying to pretend Bopara is the next David Gower?

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Post by Stella Wed 28 Nov 2012, 4:45 pm

Bopara flies Tiger Moth's? Wink
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed 28 Nov 2012, 4:53 pm

No but if if we send him up in one at least we can be sure he wont come back

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Post by Guest Wed 28 Nov 2012, 5:39 pm

guys we must remeber, that Giles the coach, but Flower still remains Team Director, thus final decisions will still stop with him if he dosent think somethings right

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Post by KP_fan Wed 28 Nov 2012, 9:55 pm

read this as Flower fired from Odis & t20.......under the guise of rest etc....

its a matter of time before it will be announced "for reasons of family comittments Flower and Ecb have decided not to extend his contract for tests either"
Pietersengate claims its biggest victim Smile
and settles the issue about who is most valuable for England
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Post by skyeman Wed 28 Nov 2012, 10:19 pm

KP_fan wrote:read this as Flower fired from Odis & t20.......under the guise of rest etc....

its a matter of time before it will be announced "for reasons of family comittments Flower and Ecb have decided not to extend his contract for tests either"
Pietersengate claims its biggest victim Smile
and settles the issue about who is most valuable for England


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Post by Duty281 Wed 28 Nov 2012, 10:21 pm

KP_fan wrote:read this as Flower fired from Odis & t20.......under the guise of rest etc....

its a matter of time before it will be announced "for reasons of family comittments Flower and Ecb have decided not to extend his contract for tests either"
Pietersengate claims its biggest victim Smile
and settles the issue about who is most valuable for England

Best read up on it fully, Flower will still remain England's team director for all formats. Oh wait, you're just wumming aren't you? 3/10 KP_fan, far from your best. BTW, KP_fan, where did you disappear to on Day 4 of the Test?

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Post by skyeman Wed 28 Nov 2012, 10:30 pm

Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:read this as Flower fired from Odis & t20.......under the guise of rest etc....

its a matter of time before it will be announced "for reasons of family comittments Flower and Ecb have decided not to extend his contract for tests either"
Pietersengate claims its biggest victim Smile
and settles the issue about who is most valuable for England

Best read up on it fully, Flower will still remain England's team director for all formats. Oh wait, you're just wumming aren't you? 3/10 KP_fan, far from your best. BTW, KP_fan, where did you disappear to on Day 4 of the Test?


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I was wondering that too, maybe too busy joining A.Flowers fan club laughing

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 29 Nov 2012, 8:54 am

KPFs point may have had a bit more value if that hadnt also rested goldenbollcks himself as well

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Post by KP_fan Thu 29 Nov 2012, 8:56 am

[quote="skyeman"]
KP_fan wrote:read this as Flower fired from Odis & t20.......under the guise of rest etc....

its a matter of time before it will be announced "for reasons of family comittments Flower and Ecb have decided not to extend his contract for tests either"
Pietersengate claims its biggest victim Smile
and settles the issue about who is most valuable for England


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that might be true...but not relatred to the context....and doesn't cover the serious fact....that Flower lost the power game to KP laughing
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Post by KP_fan Thu 29 Nov 2012, 9:07 am

Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:read this as Flower fired from Odis & t20.......under the guise of rest etc....

its a matter of time before it will be announced "for reasons of family comittments Flower and Ecb have decided not to extend his contract for tests either"
Pietersengate claims its biggest victim Smile
and settles the issue about who is most valuable for England

Best read up on it fully, Flower will still remain England's team director for all formats. Oh wait, you're just wumming aren't you? 3/10 KP_fan, far from your best. BTW, KP_fan, where did you disappear to on Day 4 of the Test?

that underlined part has an unwritten component....called for now

In management resfhuffles when one block loses power and has too much control...he his de-powered in installments.....first installment is served. Smile

On D4....I was lamenting an unforeseen loss Sad
^most of my recommendations and wishes...such as having Monty in, having KP in ......wanting to see KP play a rollicking inning were fullfilled.....but came too good for my liking.

and darn furious they might fullfil my last wish of dumping Broad for the last game....making Engaland perfect with no pasengers...whereas we will carry the load of "greatness" of Tendulkar for atleast opne more game.
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Post by alfie Thu 29 Nov 2012, 11:02 am

Why do you care what England do , KP_f ?

You obviously support India , you like KP , we get that ...but your vendetta against Flower is just silly.

End of the day , picking teams is just opinions : Flower makes enough good choices so I still value his , as do the ECB , and why wouldn't they ? The record , recent hiccups aside , is very good. Casting him aside would be an act of folly , and lately ECB seems to have decided to cut down on them...

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Post by Guest Thu 29 Nov 2012, 6:53 pm

KP_F is a clown/wum

just ignore him.

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Post by KP_fan Thu 29 Nov 2012, 8:46 pm

alfie wrote:Why do you care what England do , KP_f ?

You obviously support India , you like KP , we get that ...but your vendetta against Flower is just silly.

End of the day , picking teams is just opinions : Flower makes enough good choices so I still value his , as do the ECB , and why wouldn't they ? The record , recent hiccups aside , is very good. Casting him aside would be an act of folly , and lately ECB seems to have decided to cut down on them...

I care for English cricket....because they are the custodians of my beloved form of cricket...test match cricket.
They bring balance to the world that would other wise be much more easily rolled over by limited over "masala" cricket.

I also care for all that is good but treated unjustly....and despise medicortiy, agenda, curtailment of basic freedom.

Hence it's not just agenda based medicority forced on English team that saddens me.....
but also the state of affairs of Pakistan cricket......most mercurial players in the game torn by internal politicing in cricket and unrest in their nation........
and "Gaylegate" that was in west indies cricket.....
and the charade that admission of Bangladesh has imposed on test cricket......
and Dhoni's agenda with Rohit/ Raina and forced dead weight of the greatness of Tendulkar in recent times.....
and probably some more.....
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Post by KP_fan Thu 29 Nov 2012, 8:47 pm

CF wrote:KP_F is a clown/wum

just ignore him.

I suspect you may have a terrible self-esteem issue
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Post by GSC Thu 29 Nov 2012, 8:47 pm

People still dont have KPF on ignore in 2012?

Thought we all agreed he was the 2nd coming of Swamy
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Post by skyeman Thu 29 Nov 2012, 8:56 pm

KP_fan wrote:
alfie wrote:Why do you care what England do , KP_f ?

You obviously support India , you like KP , we get that ...but your vendetta against Flower is just silly.

End of the day , picking teams is just opinions : Flower makes enough good choices so I still value his , as do the ECB , and why wouldn't they ? The record , recent hiccups aside , is very good. Casting him aside would be an act of folly , and lately ECB seems to have decided to cut down on them...

I care for English cricket....because they are the custodians of my beloved form of cricket...test match cricket.
They bring balance to the world that would other wise be much more easily rolled over by limited over "masala" cricket.

I also care for all that is good but treated unjustly....and despise medicortiy, agenda, curtailment of basic freedom.

Hence it's not just agenda based medicority forced on English team that saddens me.....
but also the state of affairs of Pakistan cricket......most mercurial players in the game torn by internal politicing in cricket and unrest in their nation........
and "Gaylegate" that was in west indies cricket.....
and the charade that admission of Bangladesh has imposed on test cricket......
and Dhoni's agenda with Rohit/ Raina and forced dead weight of the greatness of Tendulkar in recent times.....
and probably some more.....


Good post KP Fan thumbsup Just try and improve on the Indian call center English please. Just kidding. Very Happy

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Post by Hibbz Thu 29 Nov 2012, 9:00 pm

I think you people need to start giving KP_fan a lot more credit. He was pretty accurate with regards the power struggle. He was bang on with regards to Panesar and him being more attacking than Swann and now it appears he was pretty accurate with regards to Broadus.

You guys might not want to read/hear what he has to say but in my opinion he's very, very perceptive.

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Post by skyeman Thu 29 Nov 2012, 9:07 pm

Hibbz wrote:I think you people need to start giving KP_fan a lot more credit. He was pretty accurate with regards the power struggle. He was bang on with regards to Panesar and him being more attacking than Swann and now it appears he was pretty accurate with regards to Broadus.

You guys might not want to read/hear what he has to say but in my opinion he's very, very perceptive.



Oh, i always read it because it is usually good for a laugh, but becoming boring now.

But i agree without the rediculous bashing there can be perceptive comments, just too far between, which the majority seem to agree with.

Cut the crap out, and he could be quite a poster.

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Post by Hibbz Thu 29 Nov 2012, 9:12 pm

I wish you hadn't made your unpleasant comment about call centres and then followed it up with a ridiculous spelling mistake but hey ho.

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Post by skyeman Thu 29 Nov 2012, 9:14 pm

Hibbz wrote:I wish you hadn't made your unpleasant comment about call centres and then followed it up with a ridiculous spelling mistake but hey ho.

SAD

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Post by Mike Selig Thu 29 Nov 2012, 9:57 pm

Hibbz wrote:I think you people need to start giving KP_fan a lot more credit.

Not really. He knows quite a bit about Indian cricket, and could be a useful contributor. Unfortunately most of the time he's just a WUM.

Hibbz wrote:He was pretty accurate with regards the power struggle.

Really? Like when he said after the Headingley test that England would have to back down because "KP is so clever... and that's why I'm a fan" and England promptly dropped him?

Hibbz wrote:He was bang on with regards to Panesar and him being more attacking than Swann

No he wasn't. He claimed Panesar is a more attacking spinner than Swann and compared him to Ohja. Both of these statements are rubbish. Panesar had a slightly better strike-rate in the last test because the wicket suited him down to a tee - as in the UAE; on a pitch which crumbles, because of his pace he will usually be more successful than Swann - that doesn't make him more attacking, or a better bowler overall. Look at their career strike-rates. Anyone who thinks Panesar bowls a similar style to Ohja has clearly either never watched them bowl, or simply doesn't understand cricket.

Hibbz wrote:and now it appears he was pretty accurate with regards to Broadus.
Broad bowled well in the last test. I wish people would stop looking at the figures and actually watch the cricket which happens. For me, KPF's complete bias against Broad was sealed when he criticised Strauss for bringing him on at the Oval after Swann had removed Smith and Finn had bowled 5 or 6 overs. Broad immediately had Amla dropped behind and Petersen plumb LBW. Most people would acknowledge that as a good bowling change.

Hibbz wrote:You guys might not want to read/hear what he has to say but in my opinion he's very, very perceptive.
Occasionally he says something interesting. The problem is it's burried below so much rubbish I can't be bothered to look for it. Personally he made this board a real downer for a while, until I discovered the foe button. Now thankfully I don't have to read what he writes. Which is a shame, because his writings on Indian cricket are interesting. His vendetta against Flower and Broad, and love of everything KP + near racism at times are not.

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Post by GSC Thu 29 Nov 2012, 10:00 pm

Well said Mike.

That topic that went on and on was just depressingly bad.
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 30 Nov 2012, 11:15 am

Quite, coupled with the self satisfied smugness when he predicts something correctly (ignoring that he had written heaps about how English spinners were useless on sub continenet pitches) and general spite shown towards those not his "favourites" it becomes tiresome and provokes t1t for tat circular arguments.
Hes been banned under god knows how many accounts previously, to be fair the current incarnation is better behaved but still deleiberatly obnoxious. Its hard to tell if this refelects on the real person or is just a "character" used to troll. Either way its annoying and does mask that the guy knows and loves his cricket.

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Post by Shelsey93 Fri 30 Nov 2012, 11:44 am

Guys. I'm not sure its right to spend too much time discussing a single poster.

We can ignore their views if we don't find them very interesting.

All I'd say is that as a cricket section we pride ourselves on being the section of the board which needs the least active moderation. In fact, the cricket section of this forum is almost certainly the best forum I've ever found in terms of levels of sensible, interesting discussion. It would be nice if all posters continued (as most do) to do as much as they can to keep that intact.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Fri 30 Nov 2012, 2:03 pm

well said Shelsey, I find the easiest is simply to ignore such posters, and get on with the interesting discussion. Probably only about 2 posters have ever been banned from the cricket site - permanently at least, we've had a couple of temp. bans too I think, and one guy has been banned several times - which reflects well on the quality of debate we get on here (and explains why I don't post much on other sections anymore).

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 30 Nov 2012, 3:12 pm

or how few active users there are *shrug*

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Post by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2012, 4:56 pm

KP_fan wrote:
CF wrote:KP_F is a clown/wum

just ignore him.

I suspect you may have a terrible self-esteem issue

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Post by skyeman Fri 30 Nov 2012, 5:28 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:or how few active users there are *shrug*


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Can i insult you then psw Very Happy

See if we can attract a few more that like the fractious side of things. Very Happy

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Post by ShankyCricket Fri 30 Nov 2012, 7:16 pm

Mike Selig wrote:
Hibbz wrote:I think you people need to start giving KP_fan a lot more credit.

Not really. He knows quite a bit about Indian cricket, and could be a useful contributor. Unfortunately most of the time he's just a WUM.

Hibbz wrote:He was pretty accurate with regards the power struggle.

Really? Like when he said after the Headingley test that England would have to back down because "KP is so clever... and that's why I'm a fan" and England promptly dropped him?

Hibbz wrote:He was bang on with regards to Panesar and him being more attacking than Swann

No he wasn't. He claimed Panesar is a more attacking spinner than Swann and compared him to Ohja. Both of these statements are rubbish. Panesar had a slightly better strike-rate in the last test because the wicket suited him down to a tee - as in the UAE; on a pitch which crumbles, because of his pace he will usually be more successful than Swann - that doesn't make him more attacking, or a better bowler overall. Look at their career strike-rates. Anyone who thinks Panesar bowls a similar style to Ohja has clearly either never watched them bowl, or simply doesn't understand cricket.

Hibbz wrote:and now it appears he was pretty accurate with regards to Broadus.
Broad bowled well in the last test. I wish people would stop looking at the figures and actually watch the cricket which happens. For me, KPF's complete bias against Broad was sealed when he criticised Strauss for bringing him on at the Oval after Swann had removed Smith and Finn had bowled 5 or 6 overs. Broad immediately had Amla dropped behind and Petersen plumb LBW. Most people would acknowledge that as a good bowling change.

Hibbz wrote:You guys might not want to read/hear what he has to say but in my opinion he's very, very perceptive.
Occasionally he says something interesting. The problem is it's burried below so much rubbish I can't be bothered to look for it. Personally he made this board a real downer for a while, until I discovered the foe button. Now thankfully I don't have to read what he writes. Which is a shame, because his writings on Indian cricket are interesting. His vendetta against Flower and Broad, and love of everything KP + near racism at times are not.
Well said Mike. Couldn't agree more clap

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To Mike:- I'm assuming the people who you want to stop looking at figures and watch the cricket as it happens include the England bowling coach David Saker who says his (Broad's) form over the first two tests is a cause for concern.

Still, the point of my post wasn't really to argue the toss over performance it was more just a defence of KP_fan. Every time I come on here one or another of you is having a go at him much like playground bullies. He doesn't appear to care much but it annoys me.

I'm not talking about just disagreeing with his points it's things like Alfie's "why do you care what England do when you support India" like the rest of you don't comment on other countries or Skyeman's "Indian call centre" comments that bug me.

Not that any of you will care as you congratulate yourselves on your self moderating clique of boarding school chums brought up on a staple diet of Jennings and Darbishire.

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Post by skyeman Fri 30 Nov 2012, 8:00 pm

Hibbz wrote:To Mike:- I'm assuming the people who you want to stop looking at figures and watch the cricket as it happens include the England bowling coach David Saker who says his (Broad's) form over the first two tests is a cause for concern.

Still, the point of my post wasn't really to argue the toss over performance it was more just a defence of KP_fan. Every time I come on here one or another of you is having a go at him much like playground bullies. He doesn't appear to care much but it annoys me.

I'm not talking about just disagreeing with his points it's things like Alfie's "why do you care what England do when you support India" like the rest of you don't comment on other countries or Skyeman's "Indian call centre" comments that bug me.

Not that any of you will care as you congratulate yourselves on your self moderating clique of boarding school chums brought up on a staple diet of Jennings and Darbishire.

Tut tut tut Hibbz Wink Darbyshire

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Post by Hibbz Fri 30 Nov 2012, 8:12 pm

skyeman wrote:
Hibbz wrote:To Mike:- I'm assuming the people who you want to stop looking at figures and watch the cricket as it happens include the England bowling coach David Saker who says his (Broad's) form over the first two tests is a cause for concern.

Still, the point of my post wasn't really to argue the toss over performance it was more just a defence of KP_fan. Every time I come on here one or another of you is having a go at him much like playground bullies. He doesn't appear to care much but it annoys me.

I'm not talking about just disagreeing with his points it's things like Alfie's "why do you care what England do when you support India" like the rest of you don't comment on other countries or Skyeman's "Indian call centre" comments that bug me.

Not that any of you will care as you congratulate yourselves on your self moderating clique of boarding school chums brought up on a staple diet of Jennings and Darbishire.

Tut tut tut Hibbz Wink Darbyshire


You might wish to remove that one so as to avoid "redicule" Skye x

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Post by GSC Fri 30 Nov 2012, 8:15 pm

The point is, that however perceptive etc he/she maybe, its hidden by loads of obnoxious posts designed to get a rise out of people. Build that reputation for yourself and people won't bother to search for the good parts ultimately.
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Post by skyeman Fri 30 Nov 2012, 8:25 pm

Hibbz wrote:
skyeman wrote:
Hibbz wrote:To Mike:- I'm assuming the people who you want to stop looking at figures and watch the cricket as it happens include the England bowling coach David Saker who says his (Broad's) form over the first two tests is a cause for concern.

Still, the point of my post wasn't really to argue the toss over performance it was more just a defence of KP_fan. Every time I come on here one or another of you is having a go at him much like playground bullies. He doesn't appear to care much but it annoys me.

I'm not talking about just disagreeing with his points it's things like Alfie's "why do you care what England do when you support India" like the rest of you don't comment on other countries or Skyeman's "Indian call centre" comments that bug me.

Not that any of you will care as you congratulate yourselves on your self moderating clique of boarding school chums brought up on a staple diet of Jennings and Darbishire.

Tut tut tut Hibbz Wink Darbyshire


You might wish to remove that one so as to avoid "redicule" Skye x


No thank you, i will leave it for now to cause you even more redicule kiss

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Post by Hibbz Fri 30 Nov 2012, 8:27 pm

Yeah I get that GSC mate, and although I personally rarely see anything particularly obnoxious, or no more so than many others, this is only an argument to ignore him surely?

I've obviously no problem with people ignoring him hell I wouldn't even notice would I? It's the wailing and gnashing at anything he posts like he hasn't the right to do so that grates.

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