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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 3:12 am

Teams for first ODI:

New Zealand: 1 Martin Guptill, 2 BJ Watling, 3 Kane Williamson, 4 Ross Taylor, 5 Brendon McCullum (capt & wk), 6 Grant Elliott, 7 James Franklin, 8 Andrew Ellis, 9 Nathan McCullum, 10 Kyle Mills, 11 Mitchell McClenaghan

England: 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Ian Bell, 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Joe Root, 5 Eoin Morgan, 6 Jos Buttler (wk), 7 Chris Woakes, 8 Stuart Broad, 9 Graeme Swann, 10 James Anderson, 11 Steven Finn

England currently 157/2 after 34 overs after being put into bat. Cook out for 4, Bell out for 64. Trott and Root doing nicely.

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 3:30 am

Up early Duty? Smile
Good start from England. They should get towards 300 with 12 overs to go... maybe 270-280 will be enough.
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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 4:19 am

Linebreaker wrote:Up early Duty? Smile
Good start from England. They should get towards 300 with 12 overs to go... maybe 270-280 will be enough.

Never went to sleep in fairness. England have fallen apart though trying to force the issue, 230/7 with only a few overs left.

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 4:31 am

Yeah, was hoping Morgan and Buttler might produce some fireworks.
Still a 259 run chase should be no lay down misere with Anderson & Swanny in the mix.
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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 5:16 am

I'd say 258 is defendable with this bowling attack. 180-200 all out.

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Post by alfie Sun 17 Feb 2013, 6:02 am

Impressive start from Anderson : 1/9 from his first five overs.

I imagine NZ will be looking to go after Woakes when he comes on , and if he can hold it together I fancy England to defend this . Guptill has limped off retired hurt , which might be a good thing for NZ as he wasn't scoring at all...

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sun 17 Feb 2013, 6:27 am

looks like england are keeping some control but need a second wicket soon

Cant help feeling that Cook, Bell Trott, Root lacks the ability to get at weak bowling and leaves a bit too much onus on the middle order to pick up the RR

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 6:41 am

Not entirely true Pete.

Not as easy as it looks at this ground. Both sides were slow to start. Trott and Root did get at the NZ bowlers in the middle of the innings but the quick losses of Morgs and Buttler then Woakes and Broad had a far worse affect on the scoring rate in the last 10 overs.
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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:13 am

NZ 191-6. Need another 68 of 52 balls. Brendon McCullum is still there, and is batting on 41 and he certainly is the key if his side are to see it through. England a head at this stage.

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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:17 am

Andrew Ellis is considered an all-rounder, and Mills can certainly hit a long ball, so NZ aren't out of this one as yet. 63 in 8 overs, that's what they need.

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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:19 am

Now 57 of 7 overs after Graeme Swann finished his 10 overs, 1 for 54 for Swanny.

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:22 am

Don't see how Guptill can bat again if they lose a few more wickets. He looked in agony.

So effectively 204/7 now. Add McClenaghan's side strain. ??

55 runs required off 39 balls. 50 up for Brendan McCullum.
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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:28 am

Jonathan Trott's not been able to take a sharp catch from McCullum of Finn, will this be the moment?

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:29 am

213/6 after 45 overs
46 off 30 required
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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:30 am

46 of 5 overs. Broad with the ball.

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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:34 am

Ellis is gone, think that might just be it for New Zealand, although Mills can smash it a bit.

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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:35 am

Not Mills, its Guptill. Not sure this is the right move.

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:40 am

Whatever kind of jab Guptill's has had in his leg is working. Big 6 over third man.
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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:40 am

Guptill managing a boundary and then a 6 of Finn, 14 of the over, and NZ need 26 of 3 overs.

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:40 am

NZ are 233/7 after 47 overs.
26 runs needed off 18 deliveries.
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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:44 am

Gotta love Ian Smith. He always sounds so peeed off! Laugh
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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:45 am

246/7 after 48 overs

13 off the last 2 overs required.


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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:45 am

Guptill just swinging and missing a couple now, pressure back on NZ. But he now makes up for it, another 4. And another one!.

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:47 am

Guptill with his hamstring injury is having to deal in boundaries. Not a bad tactic!

Another big 6!


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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:47 am

Now McCullum smashes Broad out of New Zealand for 6, and that has shifted the match seriously in favor of New Zealand. And a wide from Broad. NZ one shot away.

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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:49 am

New Zealand doing easily, scores are level with another boundary from Guptill.

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:49 am

Scores are tied.

Still 9 balls left. You can tell Beefy is not too impressed with Broad. Whistle
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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:49 am

Well done NZ. clap
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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:50 am

That's it, Martin Gupitll does it, on one leg!.Terrific effort from him, and a fine hand from the New Zealand skipper.

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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:53 am

Linebreaker wrote:Scores are tied.

Still 9 balls left. You can tell Beefy is not too impressed with Broad. Whistle
Has Beefy won an ODI series in New Zealand???

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:54 am

Not sure about a series. Would have to research it with my failing memory. I'm sure he's won some games there.

Interesting that NZ have won the last 6 ODIs v England. Did I hear that right?

Right, off the the Women's World Cup now. Run
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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 9:00 am

8 hours of solid watching, for about 7 hours it looked like England would win but it didn't come to pass. Well done NZ, particularly Guptill who played on through the pain barrier. clap

Well done to the DJ as well, so many different tracks!

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Post by alfie Sun 17 Feb 2013, 9:29 am

alfie wrote:Impressive start from Anderson : 1/9 from his first five overs.

I imagine NZ will be looking to go after Woakes when he comes on , and if he can hold it together I fancy England to defend this . Guptill has limped off retired hurt , which might be a good thing for NZ as he wasn't scoring at all...

Well I got that wrong Very Happy

Hats off to McCullum ...and Guptill who apparently scores faster when he can't run at all Smile

England appeared to have this under control throughout , but never managed to put NZ away , and in the last few overs the Kiwis did what the England batsmen couldn't , and finished with a bang...well done them clap

NZ are pretty good at the fifty over stuff , so result not too surprising. But I think England will be a little disappointed they let this one slip...couple of crucial fielding errors , perhaps a few too many short deliveries in the latter stages ? Not a bad game though...won't be much between the teams in this format I think.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 17 Feb 2013, 9:47 am

Pathetic finishes to both innings by England. Pathetic
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Post by GSC Sun 17 Feb 2013, 9:51 am

Think England need a little more hitting power up top. Cook, Bell, Trott a tad conservative for me.
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Post by alfie Sun 17 Feb 2013, 9:56 am

Wasn't the top order that messed up though , GSC. It was set up for 270 at least if five-nine had done what they would have hoped to do in the last ten or so.

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Post by GSC Sun 17 Feb 2013, 10:08 am

I agree but I think its an area England could address. Trotts built for the ODI game a decade ago.
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 17 Feb 2013, 10:41 am

The one day yoyo continues.

To be fair i'd have put NZ as big favourites for this ODI series. Engs batting and bowling have been too wayward and NZ look a better side and just beat SA.

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 10:48 am

They'll probably have to make changes for the next match in Napier with the injuries to Guptill and McClenaghan today.

Or as Beefy says - keep them in ice baths and just bring the same physio along on Wednesday. Smile

I don't think England should make any changes. Yes, they were slightly rusty but I'd back them to bounce back in the next game.
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Post by alfie Sun 17 Feb 2013, 10:49 am

GSC wrote:I agree but I think its an area England could address. Trotts built for the ODI game a decade ago.

Trott has a good ODI record , but he has trouble changing gears. He is not untouchable if a better alternative presents , which has really not happened as yet.
However ...KP will return to the side in the summer. If Root keeps playing as he is it may not be he who makes way...

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Post by msp83 Sun 17 Feb 2013, 5:53 pm

The best thing that come out well for Englande today was Joe Root's impressive knock. He's fast becoming one among my top favorites. Unlike Trott, he has shown considerable ability to adapt and play according to the situations. One of Bell, Trott and Root will have to make way when Pietersen comes back, I seriously hope it won't be root. As I said during the India series, I think Pietersen is best used at the top.......

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Post by ShankyCricket Sun 17 Feb 2013, 7:32 pm

msp83 wrote:The best thing that come out well for Englande today was Joe Root's impressive knock. He's fast becoming one among my top favorites. Unlike Trott, he has shown considerable ability to adapt and play according to the situations. One of Bell, Trott and Root will have to make way when Pietersen comes back, I seriously hope it won't be root. As I said during the India series, I think Pietersen is best used at the top.......
Agreed, has to be Trott or Bell.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:16 pm

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 17 Feb 2013, 8:18 pm

msp83 wrote:The best thing that come out well for Englande today was Joe Root's impressive knock. He's fast becoming one among my top favorites. Unlike Trott, he has shown considerable ability to adapt and play according to the situations. One of Bell, Trott and Root will have to make way when Pietersen comes back, I seriously hope it won't be root. As I said during the India series, I think Pietersen is best used at the top.......

Very true that. He looks a much more natural ODI player doesn't he.

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Post by Carrotdude Sun 17 Feb 2013, 9:24 pm

Trott is probably more reliable than Bell but Bell is a better one day player and more capable of getting run a ball 50s/100s which is what you want. KP instead of Trott would take a bit of the pressure off people like Buttler but tbh Morgan is the weak link at the moment.

The set up of the England side needs stabilty and wickets in hand as we have 6 batsmen and 5 bowlers (I know Woakes is pretty much an all rounder but not proven at international level). As such most of our success will be own to good, restricting bowling rather than massive totals - if you look at the 11 from today we need 1 of Morgan/Buttler to have a stormer to get a really big total otherwise it will always be around 260 odd max

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 17 Feb 2013, 9:31 pm

Carrotdude wrote:Trott is probably more reliable than Bell but Bell is a better one day player and more capable of getting run a ball 50s/100s which is what you want. KP instead of Trott would take a bit of the pressure off people like Buttler but tbh Morgan is the weak link at the moment.

The set up of the England side needs stabilty and wickets in hand as we have 6 batsmen and 5 bowlers (I know Woakes is pretty much an all rounder but not proven at international level). As such most of our success will be own to good, restricting bowling rather than massive totals - if you look at the 11 from today we need 1 of Morgan/Buttler to have a stormer to get a really big total otherwise it will always be around 260 odd max

You would hope that either Buttler or Morgan would be able to come up with the goods more often than not tho. Both have the ability
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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 10:24 pm

Yes, agree because when they both fail like yesterday the short tail gets quickly exposed.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 17 Feb 2013, 10:42 pm

Well imo Broad, Woakes and Swann should be able to do better as a 3 if needed than they did in the 1st ODI.

All 3 are decent batters
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Post by Pal Joey Sun 17 Feb 2013, 10:44 pm

They are there for their bowling though. Sure, every now and then they'll slog a few but I wouldn't rely on them every match.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 17 Feb 2013, 10:47 pm

Linebreaker wrote:They are there for their bowling though. Sure, every now and then they'll slog a few but I wouldn't rely on them every match.

Well no neither would I, but they can do a job a 7, 8 and 9.
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