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Post by Duty281 Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:02 pm

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The World Cup ruined by Blatter and co. What a joke 2022 will be. I can't see the top European leagues stopping their season or letting their best players go off to the World Cup, so I suppose the 2022 World Cup could be played by second-string teams. I guess with 2018 being held in racist Russia, 2014 in Brazil will be the last proper World Cup. R.I.P. Football.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:10 am

It has nothing to do with american viewers as pointed out twice. But everything to do with foreign viewers of the super bowl - who would watch a wc game over the superbowl

the times would clash as well- wc games scheduled to take place between 5pm and 11pm(start times GMT- Super Bowl starts at 11pm GMT.

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:11 am

And as I've also pointed out twice, put on a game no one is really interested in, or have a night in the WC with no match if it's that big of an issue.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:14 am

the NFL is concerned with a possible clash with a wc game. Thats it. end of story. They are concerned about losing viewers - which they would!

I have no idea what point you are trying to point out.

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:16 am

I'm simply saying that if they are concerned about losing viewers then I'm sure both parties can come to some agreement.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:21 am

I am sure there are many other events to also consider as well though. We have the winter olympics.There will also be a knock on for other sports which don't have any standing to dictate to FIFA like cricket tours etc, the 6 nations!!. moving such a big event is going to annoy a lot of smaller sports.. They will all want to know when it is asap!

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:25 am

Oakey, coinciding events happens all the time.

It is 9 (nine) years away. Just how soon do they need to know? I'm sure they will know at least 8 (eight) in advance.

Wimbledon coincides with World Cups and Euro's every two years.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:26 am

Fox has also agreed to pay something like a 700 million dollars to show the world cup in the summer not the winter, if it is shown in the winter- watch that figure go down to half the amount!!

same goes for many other nations as well.

so that is FIFA's issue they will have to deal with. Broadcasters that have already made deals with fifa will be pulling out and getting better deals and ones that haven't already made deals will be in a better bargaining position. The value of the tourney will take a nose dive!

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:28 am

They've only got themselves to blame then Oakey.
Is this the start of football imploding?

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Post by CFCNick Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:30 am

The Super Bowl is in February. It usually starts around 11pm UK time. Qatar is 2 hours ahead so unless they schedule a game or even the final for 1am that night there's no chance of a clash.

Plus isn't this summer or winter argument a bit premature? We don't know what kind of massive air conditioning system they can fit in stadiums by then.

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:33 am

Also, you'd have to be absolutely stupid to have not written various clauses into your contracts with FIFA regarding it being held in Qatar.

It is obvious that heat was going to be an issue in summer, even with the air conditioning, if tv execs didn't sit down and consider the risks and the likelihood it might not be held, then they are morons.
Heat is only one issue and it's implausible that TV companies haven't considered the many issues and likelihood of changes required.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:35 am

what do you mean 1am?

you mean 8pm in dubai which is still 11pm gmt

and yes many games are already scheduled to start at that time!

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:38 am

8pm in Qatar is 6pm in UK Oakey.

Superbowl is 11pm UK time which is 1am Qatar time.

Why mention Dubai, the world cup isn't being held there.

Qatar is two hours AHEAD Oakey.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:41 am

Sr the tender was based on a summer WC.

moving it to the winter is highly irregular. USA even bid for the same tourney!!

yes the majority of the world are just puppy dogs when it comes to FIFA , they have control of the game everyone loves and most fall in line. Can you see USA doing the same especially when there were basically clearly tendering for nothing!

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:45 am

super_realist wrote:8pm in Qatar is 6pm in UK Oakey.

Superbowl is 11pm UK time which is 1am Qatar time.

Why mention Dubai, the world cup isn't being held there.

Qatar is two hours AHEAD Oakey.
I have got totally confused mate.. i am thinking of the brazil games(some are scheduled at 11pm) .. 

And yes of course i know its qatar!!

I need to get out mate, losing it

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:46 am

It's still ahead of us. Summer or Winter.
Qatar have no time changes so 11pm in UK Winter (when SuperBowl is shown) is 2am in Qatar (as we turn clocks back in winter so they are THREE hours ahead).

So there is even less chance of a clash with the WC and Superbowl.

So what if the tender was for Summer, everyone knew that, but it wasn't practical, and you'd have to be stupid not to consider the implications where it is often 40c plus in the shade when signing your tv deal.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:50 am

"So what if the tender was for Summer, everyone knew that, but it wasn't practical, and you'd have to be stupid not to consider the implications where it is often 40c plus in the shade when signing your tv deal."


the tender was won based on the premise that qatar could get it safe with massive air con units and shaded systems to be able to do it in the summer.


If this was a tender between two top oil firms trust me there would be legal ramifications from the losing firms!

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:54 am

Very shortsighted from certain people Oakey, the players are only a fraction of the issue, can you really ensure the safety of half a million fat, bald tattoed football fans when the mercury can exceed 50c?

I'm sure there will be legal ramifications, but before this was even awarded, even a teenager would be able to tell you this was a logistical nightmare in the summer. The fact it has taken ANYONE by surprise is the alarming thing. So all these contracts with no clauses to counteract this are very amateur indeed, mind you , I'm sure if required Qatar have the wealth to compensate.

It seems very amateur from TV firms to not consider the issues arising.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:58 am

Its highly irregular. FIFA dont play by the rules, they never have and I would like to see someone costing them money! If thats the USA networks then great.

However on a personal note i would like it to be held in the winter anyway! 

But if i was one of the other bidders for that wc I would at the very least be considering legal action to get the bid costs repaid and I think fox will defo try and get a better deal based on this(its what US firms do) and that could open the gateway for every other TV network to get a better deal!

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:03 am

Oakey, I understand what you see, but it's a school boy error than no one saw that holding an event in summer would be meteorologically impossible. It's naive and stupid not to have written something into their contracts as to the doubt which would surely hang over an event held there. A GCSE geography pupil could tell you that.

Better in winter though, I agree. I prefer summer without football, although the likes of Scotland should play their football then.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:13 am

I dont know what bargaining power FOX has, we dont know what was in the contracts. I dont even know if other TV networks have signed  deal for it yet(which would clearly be stupid based on the fact we dont know when it is)

If its during the 6 nations would bbc or sky pay the same money as if it was held in summer, if its held during the winter olympics same goes

The world trusts wc's to be held in summer, heat issues were raised at the time of the tender. I suppose if an insanely oil rich country says they can provide adequate health and safety we just believe it!

The reality is off course they dont care about any health and safety at all and that is highlighted by the fact on average one site worker is dieing per day in qatar!

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:18 am

"Australia's soccer chief Frank Lowy says his country's Football Federation (FFA) may seek compensation if the 2022 World Cup is switched to the winter.
Australia was one of four countries that lost out to Qatar, despite spending £25.27m on its bid."

and that is fair enough to me.

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:26 am

Really? Qatar are still holding it, and given that Australia is currently in flames (in springtime) hardly makes it a more suitable venue.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:28 am

no they may seek compensation for the cost of the bid!! and that to me is fair enough!

qatar will have the 2022 wc that is a cert.

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:30 am

I don't think they had the slightest chance of holding such a big event. Far too far away, expensive and difficult to get to.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:35 am

I am sure they could but that wasn't really the point.(if russia, qatar and south africa can!)

Fifa clearly dont give it out on the ability to hold an event though otherwise england, germany or the USA would win every bid

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:37 am

I'm sure Australia could technically hold an event, that's not in question, my point being that for much of the world it's just too remote.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:41 am

tbh mate i think qatar and russia will/would get less tourists over aus!!

qatar is still a backwards nation politically and socially, and i think you have to pay something like 300 pounds just to enter russia and then you may have to travel halfway around the world to get to the next game!!

The major concern with aus as is with all of there sports is the time zone(yep i have worked it out correctly this time Doh )

Europe is still the major market and if you can get close to our time zone you make money!!

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:45 am

Just move it to the Antarctic or have the Qatari's (that makes them sound like a bunch of Star Trek villains) spend some of that oil money to drag a couple of icebergs across and build a massive wind turbine to blow all that cool air across the region.

Mind sound stupid but it's no more stupid that giving it to Qatar in the first place. It's as daft as when it went to the USA in '94 and precisely no-one in America gave a flying ****

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:19 pm

I'd be as inclined to be as concerned about the the pervasion of religion, lack of alcohol and different social standards to be as problematic as the Qatari weather.

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Post by Duty281 Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:34 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25653594

England's desert dream?

The FIFA general secretary has given the clearest indication yet that the 2022 World Cup will be held in November/December/January time.

Scheduling nightmare!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:03 pm

Now Fifa's Chief Exec has come out and said that Valcke was wrong, no decision made yet.

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Post by Duty281 Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:06 pm

I'm glad this lot aren't in charge of the world's most popular sport.

Oh, hang on a minute... laughing

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Post by mystiroakey Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:39 pm

Our players are better at that time of the year. I have no problem moving it to the winter. I do have a massive problem in the way it has been handled mind.

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Post by Scrumpy Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:40 pm

Surely the bidding process was based on the fact that it was to be held in the summer, therefore the whole process must be null and void and should be re-opened for bidding?

Can't see the Sponsors or European football clubs being too happy about this, maybe the time is right for the big Countries to break away from Fifa!
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Post by NickisBHAFC Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:01 pm

super_realist wrote:I'd be as inclined to be as concerned about the the pervasion of religion, lack of alcohol and different social standards to be as problematic as the Qatari weather.

This.

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Post by Geordie Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:38 pm

Scrumpy wrote:Surely the bidding process was based on the fact that it was to be held in the summer, therefore the whole process must be null and void and should be re-opened for bidding?

Can't see the Sponsors or European football clubs being too happy about this, maybe the time is right for the big Countries to break away from Fifa!

Scrumpy, i think it was based on how many pockets could be filled with as many little gold coins as possible.

Blatter is as corrupt as they come.Time for a complete clear out.

The World Cup bid should be done again with no corruption. And if its too short notice then give it to a country that already has the stadia etc to hold it...like England or USA or Spain or somewhere.

And whilst they are at it, bring in a new Chairman / Secretary with a hard line on diving and play acting. Time to eradicate that nonsence from the game once and for all.


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