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Post by Rinsure 17.04.13 15:39

So I was reading the thread about Wade, and it made me think about who England's best wingers have been. Those I remember, and those before. I suppose that also brings up the topic of the worst, too...

Names in the frame for the best list?

Ashton (current #1 - rightly or wrongly)
Cohen
Billy Whizz
Josh Lewsey
Dan Luger
Rory Underwood

I'm sure there must be many, many who I can't call to mind right now. David Duckham is another, but I am too young to have seen him play (other than in brief YouTube clips). I notice Billy Whizz and Josh Lewsey were both "back 3" players, which Lancaster seems to favour. Shame we don't have them now!

In the worst list? Phil Cristophers? Any advance on that?

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Post by Cyril 17.04.13 15:42

I don't think Luger ever really got the praise he deserved. Great scoring record. He's another one that gets lumped in with 'the team was so good my granny could have scored a hatful'.

His score in the left hand corner (v Aus) was brilliant Smile

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Post by gregortree 17.04.13 15:45

Surely one has to mention Balshaw.

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Post by Rinsure 17.04.13 15:46

It was Balshaw who chipped for Luger to score, no?

Did Balshaw ever play for England on the wing? Certainly very much a 15 in my head.

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Post by rodders 17.04.13 15:48

Austin Healy thumbsup .
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Post by Cyril 17.04.13 15:49

Rinsure wrote:It was Balshaw who chipped for Luger to score, no?
Yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYH9w15kmH0

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Post by GunsGerms 17.04.13 15:55

Matt Banahan is the worst, statistically Underwood is the best but Lewsey and Robinson were class and my favorites.

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Post by Geordie 17.04.13 15:55

1) Balshaw was sensational when he first came on the England scene as a winger..pace and the balls to go for it when he had the ball.
2) Dan Luger was also excellent for a spell...and is unfairly dismissed by England fans for his later form.
3) Rory Underwood was class and probably our best winger.
4) Dai Duckham of course...so named because he was that good he was like a welsh winger Wink
5) Ben Cohen was very good until he put TOO much muscle on.
6) Tony Underwood is also a good winger who is only remembered for being trampled over and swung into touch by a Mr Lomu.
7) Jason Robinson sheer class.
8) Josh Lewsey played wing many a time and was class.
9) Mark Cueto...just lacked that little bit of pace towards the end of his England career
10) Steve hanley..was a try scoring sensation in the prem but only played once or twice for England i believe.
11) And the biggest loss of all....JSD!!!

There have been many others...Vainikolo, Sackey, Monye....

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Post by gregortree 17.04.13 15:56

Balshaw was mainly / only 15 for England, but did some wing duty at Glaws before moving to Biarritz.

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Post by fa0019 17.04.13 16:02

Does anyone remember David Rees.... didn't he round Lomu once for a try???

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Post by Cyril 17.04.13 16:03

Cohen had a knack for scoring against the (as was) Tri-Nations sides.

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Post by Geordie 17.04.13 16:09

Yeah i remember David Rees.

JSD raced around lomu in the Baa Baas game. Did Rees aswell...i cant remember.

Hislop was another one. Didnt get get punched by Blanco and his cronies one game.

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Post by fa0019 17.04.13 16:14

I think Rees did in 97.. but he scored... if I recall it was a great try.

What about Lord Harriman???

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Post by gregortree 17.04.13 16:15

Sinbad dummied a pass to himself, sent the defence after the wrong attacker, before beating Lomu on the outside....big clap

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Post by fa0019 17.04.13 16:16

gregortree wrote:Sinbad dummied a pass to himself, sent the defence after the wrong attacker, before beating Lomu on the outside....big clap

but then didn't he trip over himself?

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Post by Cyril 17.04.13 16:17

gregortree wrote:Sinbad dummied a pass to himself, sent the defence after the wrong attacker, before beating Lomu on the outside....big clap
Yeah, that was a Baa Baa's game wasn't it?

Hmm, actually I'm not sure if it was. It was quite BOD-like though Smile

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Post by dummy_half 17.04.13 16:22

gregortree wrote:Sinbad dummied a pass to himself, sent the defence after the wrong attacker, before beating Lomu on the outside....big clap

And then, this being JSD, pulled a hamstring and missed the next 6 weeks Crying or Very sad

Anyway, some good names listed of very good wingers (Robinson, Underwood R, Duckham, Lewsey, Cohen), some who are maybe slightly underrated looking back (Underwood T, Luger, Cueto) and a few absolute stinkers (Big Les, Bananaman, Phil Christophers).

Think Steve Hanley only won one cap, despite being so good at club level. IIRC, for a while he had an injury record that not even JSD could match.

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Post by gregortree 17.04.13 16:26

fa0019 wrote:
gregortree wrote:Sinbad dummied a pass to himself, sent the defence after the wrong attacker, before beating Lomu on the outside....big clap

but then didn't he trip over himself?

....and scored in the corner clap clap clap

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Post by LondonTiger 17.04.13 16:27

Others to mention:

Simon Smith - hairiest legs ever seen on a winger
Nigel Heslop - rattled the great Serge Blanco in 91 1/4 final
Chris Oti - unlucky with injuries
Tony Swift - he was
David Trick - he had a few

and

Carrrrrrrrrrleton, John Carleton.



But the best English winger I have seen was Rory Underwood.

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Post by rodders 17.04.13 16:29

fa0019 wrote:Does anyone remember David Rees.... didn't he round Lomu once for a try???

Yup cracking player. He and Austin Healy formed a cracking back 3 with that Bath fullback bloke for a while in the late noughties.
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Post by funnyExiledScot 17.04.13 16:29

Mike Brown? I know which list I'd put him on as a winger....

Jason Robinson the best England winger I can remember. Much preferred him on the wing with Lewsey at fullback.

I was watching the 2001 Lions DVD at the weekend, and Robinson was on fire that tour. Some of his tries in the tour games were simply stunning.

Luger was also underrated by Sir Clive. Something definitely went on there. Sure, with Robinson, Cohen and Lewsey there were plenty of excellent back three options, but as a strike runner Luger was superb and a better winger than Lewsey (as above, much preferred Lewsey at 15).

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Post by rodders 17.04.13 16:31

Jon Slightholme could fair shift, anyone else remember him leaving Jason Robinson for dead in the Bath V Wigan game?

Back in the days when them nostril tape things were all the rage....
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Post by GunsGerms 17.04.13 16:33

Full list of England players who have played on the wing for England since 1980. Dont think I have missed anyone.

Name Debut Opposition
Tony Swift 30/05/1981 v Argentina at Buenos Aires
Nick Stringer 02/01/1982 v Australia at Twickenham
David Trick 19/03/1983 v Ireland at Lansdowne Road
Rory Underwood 18/02/1984 v Ireland at Twickenham
Mark Bailey 02/06/1984 v South Africa at Port Elizabeth
Simon Smith 05/01/1985 v Romania at Twickenham
Mike Harrison 01/06/1985 v New Zealand at Christchurch
Chris Oti 05/03/1988 v Scotland at Murrayfield
John Bentley 23/04/1988 v Ireland at Lansdowne Road
Barry Evans 12/06/1988 v Australia at Sydney
Andy Harriman 05/11/1988 v Australia at Twickenham
Nigel Heslop 28/07/1990 v Argentina at Buenos Aires
Ian Hunter 17/10/1992 v Canada at Wembley
Tony Underwood 17/10/1992 v Canada at Wembley
Phil de Glanville 14/11/1992 v South Africa at Twickenham
Jon Sleightholme 20/01/1996 v France at Parc des Princes
Adedayo Adebayo 23/11/1996 v Italy at Twickenham
Austin Healey 15/02/1997 v Ireland at Lansdowne Road
David Rees 15/11/1997 v Australia at Twickenham
Jonny Wilkinson 04/04/1998 v Ireland at Twickenham
Spencer Brown 06/06/1998 v Australia at Brisbane
Josh Lewsey 20/06/1998 v New Zealand at Dunedin
Paul Sampson 04/07/1998 v South Africa at Cape Town
Dan Luger 14/11/1998 v Netherlands at Huddersfield
Steve Hanley 11/04/1999 v Wales at Wembley
Ben Cohen 05/02/2000 v Ireland at Twickenham
Iain Balshaw 05/02/2000 v Ireland at Twickenham
Jason Robinson 17/02/2001 v Italy at Twickenham
Michael Stephenson02/06/2001 v Canada at Markham
Tom Voyce 16/06/2001 v United States of America at San Francisco
Phil Christophers 22/06/2002 v Argentina at Buenos Aires
James Simpson-D 09/11/2002 v New Zealand at Twickenham
Ollie Smith 09/03/2003 v Italy at Twickenham
Dan Scarbrough 23/08/2003 v Wales at Millennium Stadium
Mark Cueto 13/11/2004 v Canada at Twickenham
Mark van Gisbergen12/11/2005 v Australia at Twickenham
Tom Varndell 26/11/2005 v Samoa at Twickenham
Paul Sackey 05/11/2006 v New Zealand at Twickenham
David Strettle 24/02/2007 v Ireland at Croke Park
Mike Brown 26/05/2007 v South Africa at Bloemfontein
Nick Abendanon 02/06/2007 v South Africa at Pretoria
Lesley Vainikolo 02/02/2008 v Wales at Twickenham
Topsy Ojo 14/06/2008 v New Zealand at Auckland
Delon Armitage 08/11/2008 v Pacific Islanders at Twickenham
Ugo Monye 08/11/2008 v Pacific Islanders at Twickenham
Ben Foden 07/02/2009 v Italy at Twickenham
Matt Banahan 06/06/2009 v Argentina at Old Trafford
Ben Youngs 13/03/2010 v Scotland at Murrayfield
Chris Ashton 20/03/2010 v France at Paris
Charlie Sharples 06/08/2011 v Wales at Twickenham


Did Tuilagi ever play on the wing for Eng?

Wilko made his debut on the wing.

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Post by Geordie 17.04.13 16:35

Forgot about John Bentley aswell...

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Post by rodders 17.04.13 16:37

Adedayo Adebayo! What a player! Great name!

Criminally underused by England!
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Post by LondonTiger 17.04.13 16:37

A number of the people on that list GG made their debuts of the bench and had to cover the wing even if they were realy not wingers - Wilko came on because he was the last replacement left and a winger was injured.


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Post by LondonTiger 17.04.13 16:38

GeordieFalcon wrote:Forgot about John Bentley aswell...

Well he made that one appearance in 88, then went to RL. Did he even play for England when he returned to RU afte we went pro? TBH his performances in Union were nothing special, with memories being inflated by the try in 97 in SA and the whole "Living with the Lions" video.


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Post by bluestonevedder 17.04.13 16:39

Please tell me that was from memory Guns??

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Post by GunsGerms 17.04.13 16:39

LondonTiger wrote:A number of the people on that list GG made their debuts of the bench and had to cover the wing even if they were realy not wingers - Wilko came on because he was the last replacement left and a winger was injured.


Thats right. Its not uncommon. Foden debuted at scrum half for example.

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Post by GunsGerms 17.04.13 16:40

bluestonevedder wrote:Please tell me that was from memory Guns??

Yes it was.

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Post by dummy_half 17.04.13 16:40

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Wilkinson made his debut off the bench and replaced a winger late in the game.

There are a few names I don't know and a few I'd forgotten on there. We really have picked some rubbish on the wings over the years (Phil de Glanville?). Pretty sure both Simon Halliday and Mike Catt should also be on that iist, although both played mainly in other positions.

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Post by LondonTiger 17.04.13 16:41

dummy_half wrote:Guns
Wilkinson made his debut off the bench and replaced a winger late in the game.

There are a few names I don't know and a few I'd forgotten on there. We really have picked some rubbish on the wings over the years (Phil de Glanville?). Pretty sure both Simon Halliday and Mike Catt should also be on that iist, although both played mainly in other positions.

Halliday did indeed play on the wing briefly.

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Post by rodders 17.04.13 16:42

LondonTiger wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Forgot about John Bentley aswell...

Well he made that one appearance in 88, then went to RL. Did he even play for England when he returned to RU afte we went pro? TBH his performances in Union were nothing special, with memories being inflated by the try in 97 in SA and the whole "Living with the Lions" video.

Think he played at least once after the Lions tour, against Australia.

Bentley was actually really slow and a poor defender. Had a good Lions tour in 07 but didn't really cut it at International level.
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Post by funnyExiledScot 17.04.13 16:44

Paul Sampson - he could shift!

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Post by LordDowlais 17.04.13 16:46

Steve Hanley 11/04/1999 v Wales at Wembley

Wasn't that debut cut short after Craig Quinell ran all over him ? Why on earth would he try and tackle that mad hippo. Laugh


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Post by LondonTiger 17.04.13 16:46

funnyExiledScot wrote:Paul Sampson - he could shift!

He could indeed - and certainly punched above his weight to nab Kirsty Gallacher

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Post by Looseheaded 17.04.13 16:48

Says a lot about how tragically sparse England's winger stock is when Chris Ashton makes the list

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Post by fa0019 17.04.13 16:48

rodders wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Forgot about John Bentley aswell...

Well he made that one appearance in 88, then went to RL. Did he even play for England when he returned to RU afte we went pro? TBH his performances in Union were nothing special, with memories being inflated by the try in 97 in SA and the whole "Living with the Lions" video.

Think he played at least once after the Lions tour, against Australia.

Bentley was actually really slow and a poor defender. Had a good Lions tour in 07 but didn't really cut it at International level.

Slow - Tell that to 15 chaps from the Transvaal.

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Post by GunsGerms 17.04.13 16:51

dummy_half wrote:Guns
Wilkinson made his debut off the bench and replaced a winger late in the game.

There are a few names I don't know and a few I'd forgotten on there. We really have picked some rubbish on the wings over the years (Phil de Glanville?). Pretty sure both Simon Halliday and Mike Catt should also be on that iist, although both played mainly in other positions.

Yes I know alright. Just thought Id add it for novelty value. It was the same deal for Ben Youngs.

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Post by LondonTiger 17.04.13 16:55

Everyone to have featured on the Wing for England since 1980:

Name Years Caps at Wing Starts Replacement Points when a winger Tries
R Underwood 1984-1996 85 85 0 210 49
BC Cohen 2000-2006 56 54 2 155 31
MJ Cueto 2004-2011 51 51 0 100 20
AS Healey 1997-2002 40 31 9 70 14
CJ Ashton 2010-2013 34 34 0 85 17
DD Luger 1998-2003 33 32 1 110 22
T Underwood 1992-1998 27 27 0 65 13
J Carleton 1980-1984 25 25 0 28 7
OJ Lewsey 2003-2007 24 23 1 45 9
PH Sackey 2006-2009 22 21 1 55 11
JT Robinson 2001-2007 20 17 3 60 12
ME Harrison 1985-1988 15 15 0 32 8
MAC Slemen 1980-1984 15 15 0 20 5
CC Oti 1988-1991 13 13 0 32 8
UCC Monye 2008-2012 12 12 0 10 2
JM Sleightholme 1996-1997 12 12 0 20 4
D Strettle 2007-2012 12 11 1 5 1
DL Rees 1997-1999 11 10 1 15 3
MN Brown 2012-2013 10 7 3 0 0
MJM Tait 2006-2009 10 1 9 10 2
MA Banahan 2009-2011 9 7 2 15 3
SJ Halliday 1989-1992 9 8 1 4 1
NJ Heslop 1990-1991 9 9 0 12 3
ST Smith 1985-1986 9 9 0 12 3
IR Balshaw 2000-2007 8 4 4 20 4
TRG Stimpson 1997-2002 7 3 4 18 0
AA Adebayo 1996-1998 6 6 0 10 2
DA Armitage 2010-2011 6 3 3 10 2
MD Bailey 1984-1990 6 6 0 4 1
ND Beal 1997-1999 6 3 3 5 1
IG Hunter 1992-1995 6 6 0 15 3
JD Simpson-Daniel 2002-2007 6 5 1 10 2
AH Swift 1981-1984 6 6 0 0 0
PR de Glanville 1992-1999 5 0 5 0 0
LPI Vainikolo 2008-2008 5 4 1 0 0
TMD Voyce 2004-2006 5 4 1 15 3
J Bentley 1988-1997 4 4 0 4 1
TW Varndell 2005-2008 4 3 1 15 3
DJ Hipkiss 2007-2008 3 0 3 0 0
PC Sampson 1998-2001 3 3 0 0 0
C Sharples 2012-2012 3 3 0 10 2
ME Stephenson 2001-2001 3 3 0 0 0
NC Stringer 1982-1984 3 0 3 0 0
SP Brown 1998-1998 2 2 0 0 0
MJ Catt 1998-2003 2 1 1 5 1
PD Christophers 2002-2002 2 2 0 5 1
BJ Evans 1988-1988 2 2 0 0 0
BJ Foden 2012-2012 2 2 0 5 1
ACT Gomarsall 1997-2003 2 0 2 0 0
DP Hopley 1995-1995 2 2 0 0 0
TO Ojo 2008-2008 2 2 0 10 2
DM Trick 1983-1984 2 2 0 0 0
SRD Abbott 2006-2006 1 0 1 0 0
TD Beim 1998-1998 1 1 0 0 0
ME Corry 1999-1999 1 0 1 0 0
HA Ellis 2004-2004 1 0 1 0 0
OA Farrell 2012-2012 1 0 1 0 0
JC Guscott 1997-1997 1 0 1 0 0
SM Hanley 1999-1999 1 1 0 5 1
AT Harriman 1988-1988 1 1 0 0 0
LD Lloyd 2001-2001 1 1 0 10 2
JD Noon 2007-2007 1 1 0 0 0
SCW Ravenscroft 1998-1998 1 0 1 0 0
PC Richards 2007-2007 1 0 1 0 0
DGR Scarbrough 2007-2007 1 1 0 5 1
OJ Smith 2003-2003 1 0 1 0 0
MC van Gisbergen 2005-2005 1 0 1 0 0
JP Wilkinson 1998-1998 1 0 1 0 0
BR Youngs 2010-2010 1 0 1 0 0

Of course when you look at those off the bench there are many oddities (Martin Corry!!!!).

Only name I do not recognise is TD Beim.

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Post by fa0019 17.04.13 16:56

If thats the case I'm sure I saw a match in RWC95 when Keiran Bracken and Brian Moore came on as replacement flankers due to injuries.... think it was a pool match, can't remember which.... does that mean they will be on listed as such on official docs. Jokes huh.

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Post by funnyExiledScot 17.04.13 16:56

Looseheaded wrote:Says a lot about how tragically sparse England's winger stock is when Chris Ashton makes the list

Doh

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Post by rodders 17.04.13 16:57

fa0019 wrote:
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GeordieFalcon wrote:Forgot about John Bentley aswell...

Well he made that one appearance in 88, then went to RL. Did he even play for England when he returned to RU afte we went pro? TBH his performances in Union were nothing special, with memories being inflated by the try in 97 in SA and the whole "Living with the Lions" video.

Think he played at least once after the Lions tour, against Australia.

Bentley was actually really slow and a poor defender. Had a good Lions tour in 07 but didn't really cut it at International level.

Slow - Tell that to 15 chaps from the Transvaal.

7 chaps, and the only one he skinned was the hooker. Nice step to beat the full back but a lot of poor defending there. Great try, ok player.

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Post by GunsGerms 17.04.13 17:00

LondonTiger wrote:Everyone to have featured on the Wing for England since 1980:

Name Years Caps at Wing Starts Replacement Points when a winger Tries
R Underwood 1984-1996 85 85 0 210 49
BC Cohen 2000-2006 56 54 2 155 31
MJ Cueto 2004-2011 51 51 0 100 20
AS Healey 1997-2002 40 31 9 70 14
CJ Ashton 2010-2013 34 34 0 85 17
DD Luger 1998-2003 33 32 1 110 22
T Underwood 1992-1998 27 27 0 65 13
J Carleton 1980-1984 25 25 0 28 7
OJ Lewsey 2003-2007 24 23 1 45 9
PH Sackey 2006-2009 22 21 1 55 11
JT Robinson 2001-2007 20 17 3 60 12
ME Harrison 1985-1988 15 15 0 32 8
MAC Slemen 1980-1984 15 15 0 20 5
CC Oti 1988-1991 13 13 0 32 8
UCC Monye 2008-2012 12 12 0 10 2
JM Sleightholme 1996-1997 12 12 0 20 4
D Strettle 2007-2012 12 11 1 5 1
DL Rees 1997-1999 11 10 1 15 3
MN Brown 2012-2013 10 7 3 0 0
MJM Tait 2006-2009 10 1 9 10 2
MA Banahan 2009-2011 9 7 2 15 3
SJ Halliday 1989-1992 9 8 1 4 1
NJ Heslop 1990-1991 9 9 0 12 3
ST Smith 1985-1986 9 9 0 12 3
IR Balshaw 2000-2007 8 4 4 20 4
TRG Stimpson 1997-2002 7 3 4 18 0
AA Adebayo 1996-1998 6 6 0 10 2
DA Armitage 2010-2011 6 3 3 10 2
MD Bailey 1984-1990 6 6 0 4 1
ND Beal 1997-1999 6 3 3 5 1
IG Hunter 1992-1995 6 6 0 15 3
JD Simpson-Daniel 2002-2007 6 5 1 10 2
AH Swift 1981-1984 6 6 0 0 0
PR de Glanville 1992-1999 5 0 5 0 0
LPI Vainikolo 2008-2008 5 4 1 0 0
TMD Voyce 2004-2006 5 4 1 15 3
J Bentley 1988-1997 4 4 0 4 1
TW Varndell 2005-2008 4 3 1 15 3
DJ Hipkiss 2007-2008 3 0 3 0 0
PC Sampson 1998-2001 3 3 0 0 0
C Sharples 2012-2012 3 3 0 10 2
ME Stephenson 2001-2001 3 3 0 0 0
NC Stringer 1982-1984 3 0 3 0 0
SP Brown 1998-1998 2 2 0 0 0
MJ Catt 1998-2003 2 1 1 5 1
PD Christophers 2002-2002 2 2 0 5 1
BJ Evans 1988-1988 2 2 0 0 0
BJ Foden 2012-2012 2 2 0 5 1
ACT Gomarsall 1997-2003 2 0 2 0 0
DP Hopley 1995-1995 2 2 0 0 0
TO Ojo 2008-2008 2 2 0 10 2
DM Trick 1983-1984 2 2 0 0 0
SRD Abbott 2006-2006 1 0 1 0 0
TD Beim 1998-1998 1 1 0 0 0
ME Corry 1999-1999 1 0 1 0 0
HA Ellis 2004-2004 1 0 1 0 0
OA Farrell 2012-2012 1 0 1 0 0
JC Guscott 1997-1997 1 0 1 0 0
SM Hanley 1999-1999 1 1 0 5 1
AT Harriman 1988-1988 1 1 0 0 0
LD Lloyd 2001-2001 1 1 0 10 2
JD Noon 2007-2007 1 1 0 0 0
SCW Ravenscroft 1998-1998 1 0 1 0 0
PC Richards 2007-2007 1 0 1 0 0
DGR Scarbrough 2007-2007 1 1 0 5 1
OJ Smith 2003-2003 1 0 1 0 0
MC van Gisbergen 2005-2005 1 0 1 0 0
JP Wilkinson 1998-1998 1 0 1 0 0
BR Youngs 2010-2010 1 0 1 0 0

Of course when you look at those off the bench there are many oddities (Martin Corry!!!!).

Only name I do not recognise is TD Beim.

Eh I prefer my list. Where did you get that?


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Post by fa0019 17.04.13 17:01

rodders wrote:
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GeordieFalcon wrote:Forgot about John Bentley aswell...

Well he made that one appearance in 88, then went to RL. Did he even play for England when he returned to RU afte we went pro? TBH his performances in Union were nothing special, with memories being inflated by the try in 97 in SA and the whole "Living with the Lions" video.

Think he played at least once after the Lions tour, against Australia.

Bentley was actually really slow and a poor defender. Had a good Lions tour in 07 but didn't really cut it at International level.

Slow - Tell that to 15 chaps from the Transvaal.

7 chaps, and the only one he skinned was the hooker. Nice step to beat the full back but a lot of poor defending there. Great try, ok player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua3z_o16Zkw

If I recall from the tour he had the better of James Small in a number of matches who was quite the player... albeit a complete d***.

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Post by LondonTiger 17.04.13 17:01

fa0019 wrote:If thats the case I'm sure I saw a match in RWC95 when Keiran Bracken and Brian Moore came on as replacement flankers due to injuries.... think it was a pool match, can't remember which.... does that mean they will be on listed as such on official docs. Jokes huh.

Yes both are classified as having one replacement appearance as a flanker:

http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=matches;position=9;spanmax1=31+Dec+1995;spanmin1=01+Jan+1995;spanval1=span;team=1;template=results;type=player

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Post by funnyExiledScot 17.04.13 17:16

On Small vs Bentley, in actual fact my recollection is that Small rather worryingly skipped past Bentley on one occasion on the tour, and I think it's that memory that led to McGeechan going for Tait in the tests, a more solid and astute defender.

I liked Bentley, great character, but not a top quality international winger. There are a number of better players on the above list.

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Post by Rugby Fan 17.04.13 17:29

Mike Slemen. Great winger. Reminded me a bit of Ron Mael from Sparks.

Andrew Harriman was one of the most elegant wingers to play for us but never cemented his place.

Ian hunter was an early iteration of Josh Lewsey but suffered badly from injuries.

I think Luger was described once as a bag of coathangers because he was all knees and elbows to tackle.



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Post by LondonTiger 17.04.13 17:33

Rugby Fan wrote:Ian hunter was an early iteration of Josh Lewsey but suffered badly from injuries.

Once dislocated his shoulder when making a tackle. His thumb got caught in the other guys pocket.

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Post by Rugby Fan 17.04.13 17:34

One we missed out on, of course, was Martin Offiah.

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