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Post by mikeygnfl Thu 25 Apr 2013, 4:05 pm

First topic message reminder :

So that's the 2013 draft over. 254 picks from Eric Fisher to Justice Cunningham. So who were the value picks? Which teams were the winners? Who were the losers?

1st Round
Spoiler:
1. Kansas City Chiefs Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
2. Jacksonville Jaguars Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M
3. Miami Dolphins Dion Jordan OLB Oregon
4. Philadelphia Eagles Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
5. Detroit Lions Ezekiel Ansah DE BYU
6. Cleveland Browns Barkevious Mingo OLB LSU
7. Arizona Cardinals Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
8. St. Louis Rams Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
9. New York Jets Dee Milliner CB Alabama
10. Tennessee Titans Chance Warmack G Alabama
11. San Diego Chargers D.J. Fluker OT Alabama
12. Oakland Raiders D.J. Hayden CB Houston
13. New York Jets Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
14. Carolina Panthers Star Lotulelei DT Utah
15. New Orleans Saints Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
16. Buffalo Bills E.J. Manuel QB Florida St.
17. Pittsburgh Steelers Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
18. San Francisco 49ers Eric Reid S LSU
19. New York Giants Justin Pugh OT Syracuse
20. Chicago Bears Kyle Long G Oregon
21. Cincinnati Bengals Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
22. Atlanta Falcons Desmond Trufant CB Washington
23. Minnesota Vikings Sharrif Floyd DT Florida
24. Indianapolis Colts Bjoern Werner DE Florida St.
25. Minnesota Vikings Xavier Rhodes CB Florida St.
26. Green Bay Packers Datone Jones DE UCLA
27. Houston Texans DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
28. Denver Broncos Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
29. Minnesota Vikings Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
30. St. Louis Rams Alec Ogletree MLB Georgia
31. Dallas Cowboys Travis Frederick C Wisconsin
32. Baltimore Ravens Matt Elam S Florida
2nd Round
Spoiler:
33. Jacksonville Jaguars Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International
34. Tennessee Titans Justin Hunter WR Tennessee
35. Philadelphia Eagles Zach Ertz TE Stanford
36. Detroit Lions Darius Slay CB Mississippi State
37. Cincinnati Bengals Giovani Bernard RB North Carolina
38. San Diego Chargers Manti Te'o LB Notre Dame
39. New York Jets Geno Smith QB West Virginia
40. San Francisco 49ers Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State
41. Buffalo Bills Robert Woods WR USC
42. Oakland Raiders Menelik Watson OT Florida State
43. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi State
44. Carolina Panthers Kawann Short DT Purdue
45. Arizona Cardinals Kevin Minter LB LSU
46. Buffalo Bills Kiko Alonso LB Oregon
47. Dallas Cowboys Gavin Escobar TE San Diego State
48. Pittsburgh Steelers Le'Veon Bell RB Michigan State
49. New York Giants Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State
50. Chicago Bears Jon Bostic LB Florida
51. Washington Redskins David Amerson CB North Carolina State
52. New England Patriots Jamie Collins LB Southern Miss
53. Cincinnati Bengals Margus Hunt DE SMU
54. Miami Dolphins Jamar Taylor CB Boise State
55. San Francisco 49ers Vance McDonald TE Rice
56. Baltimore Ravens Arthur Brown LB Kansas State
57. Houston Texans D.J. Swearinger S South Carolina
58. Denver Broncos Montee Ball RB Wisconsin
59. New England Patriots Aaron Dobson WR Marshall
60. Atlanta Falcons Robert Alford CB Southeast Louisiana
61. Green Bay Packers Eddie Lacy RB Alabama
62. Seattle Seahawks Christine Michael RB Texas A&M

3rd Round
Spoiler:
63. Kansas City Chiefs Travis Kelce TE Cincinnati
64. Jacksonville Jaguars Dwayne Gratz CB Connecticut
65. Detroit Lions Larry Warford G Kentucky
66. Oakland Raiders Sio Moore LB Connecticut
67. Philadelphia Eagles Bennie Logan DT LSU
68. Cleveland Browns Leon McFadden CB San Deigo State
69. Arizona Cardinals Tyrann Mathieu CB LSU
70. Tennessee Titans Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB Connecticut
71. St. Louis Rams T.J. McDonald S USC
72. New York Jets Brian Winters G Kent State
73. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State
74. Dallas Cowboys Terrance Williams WR Baylor
75. New Orleans Saints Terron Armstead OT Arkansas-Pine Bluff
76. San Diego Chargers Keenan Allen WR California
77. Miami Dolphins Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee
78. Buffalo Bills Marquise Goodwin WR Texas
79. Pittsburgh Steelers Markus Wheaton WR Oregon State
80. Dallas Cowboys J.J. Wilcox S Georgia Southern
81. New York Giants Damontre Moore DE Texas A&M
82. New Orleans Saints John Jenkins DT Georgia
83. New England Patriots Logan Ryan CB Rutgers
84. Cincinnati Bengals Shawn Williams G Georgia
85. Washington Redskins Jordan Reed TE Florida
86. Indianapolis Colts Hugh Thornton G Illinois
87. Seattle Seahawks Jordan Hill DT Penn State
88. San Francisco 49ers Corey Lemonier DE Auburn
89. Houston Texans Brennan Williams OT North Carolina
90. Denver Broncos Kayvon Webster CB South Florida
91. New England Patriots Duron Harmon S Rutgers
92. St. Louis Rams Stedman Bailey WR West Virginia
93. Miami Dolphins Will Davis CB Utah State
94. Baltimore Ravens Brandon Williams DT Missouri Southern State
95. Houston Texans Sam Montgomery DE LSU
96. Kansas City Chiefs Knile Davis RB Arkansas
97. Tennessee Titans Zaviar Gooden LB Missouri
4th Round
Spoiler:
98. Philadelphia Eagles Matt Barkley QB USC
99. Kansas City Chiefs Nico Johnson LB Alabama
100. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Akeem Spence DT Illinois
101. Jacksonville Jaguars Ace Sanders WR South Carolina
102. New England Patriots Josh Boyce WR TCU
103. Arizona Cardinals Alex Okafor DE Texas
104. Miami Dolphins Jelani Jenkins LB Florida
105. Buffalo Bills Duke Williams S Nevada
106. Miami Dolphins Dion Sims TE Michigan State
107. Tennessee Titans Brian Schwenke C California
108. Carolina Panthers Edmund Kugbila G Valdosta State
109. Green Bay Packers David Bakhtiari OT Colorado
110. New York Giants Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse
111. Pittsburgh Steelers Shamarko Thomas S Syracuse
112. Oakland Raiders Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas
113. St. Louis Rams Barrett Jones G Alabama
114. Dallas Cowboys B.W. Webb CB William & Mary
115. Pittsburgh Steelers Landry Jones QB Oklahoma
116. Arizona Cardinals Earl Watford G James Madison
117. Chicago Bears Khaseem Greene LB Rutgers
118. Cincinnati Bengals Sean Porter LB Texas A&M
119. Washington Redskins Phillip Thomas S Fresno State
120. Minnesota Vikings Gerald Hodges LB Penn State
121. Indianapolis Colts Khaled Holmes C USC
122. Green Bay Packers J.C. Tretter OT Cornell
123. Seattle Seahawks Chris Harper WR Kansas State
124. Houston Texans Trevardo Williams DE Connecticut
125. Green Bay Packers Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA
126. Tampa Bay Buccaneers William Gholston DE Michigan State
127. Atlanta Falcons Malliciah Goodman DE Clemson
128. San Francisco 49ers Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech
129. Baltimore Ravens John Simon DE Ohio State
130. Baltimore Ravens Kyle Juszczyk FB Harvard
131. San Francisco 49ers Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina
132. Detroit Lions Devin Taylor DE South Carolina
133. Atlanta Falcons Levine Toilolo TE Stanford
5th Round
Spoiler:
134. Chiefs Sanders Commings CB Georgia
135. Jaguars Denard Robinson WR Michigan
136, Eagles Earl Wolff S NC State
137. Seahawks* Jesse Williams DT Alabama
138. Seahawks* Tharold Simon CB LSU
139. Colts* Montori Hughes DT Tenn-Martin
140. Cardinals Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford
141. Jets Oday Aboushi OG Virginia
142. Titans Lavar Edwards DE LSU
143. Bills Jonathan Meeks S Clemson
144. Saints Kenny Stills WR Oklahoma
145. Chargers Steve Williams CB California
146. Broncos* Quanterus Smith DE Western Kentucky
147. Buccaneers Steven Means OLB Buffalo
148. Panthers A.J. Klein ILB Iowa State
149. Rams Brandon McGee CB Miami (FL)
150. Steelers Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois
151. Cowboys Joseph Randle RB Oklahoma State
152. Giants Cooper Taylor S Richmond
153. Falcons* Stansly Maponga DE TCU
154. Redskins Chris Thompson RB Florida State
155. Vikings Jeff Locke P UCLA
156. Bengals Tanner Hawkinson OT Kansas
157. 49ers* Quinton Dial DE Alabama
158. Seahawks Luke Wilson TE Rice
159. Packers Micah Hyde CB Iowa
160. Rams* Zac Stacy RB Vanderbilt
161. Broncos Tavarres King WR Georgia
162. Redskins* Brandon Jenkins OLB Florida State
163. Bears Jordan Mills OT Louisiana Tech
164. Dolphins Mike Gillislee RB Florida
165. Lions Sam Martin P Appalachian St.
166. Dolphins Caleb Sturgis K Florida
167. Packers Josh Boyd DT Mississippi St.
168. Ravens Ricky Wagner OT Wisconsin
6th Round
Spoiler:
169. Jaguars Josh Evans S Florida
170. Chiefs Eric Kush C California (PA)
171. Lions Corey Fuller WR Virginia Tech
172. Raiders Nick Kasa TE Colorado
173. Broncos* Vinston Painter OT Virginia Tech
174. Cardinals Ryan Swope WR Texas A&M
175. Browns Jamoris Slaughter S Notre Dame
176. Texans* David Quessenberry OT San Jose State
177. Bills Dustin Hopkins K Florida State
178. Jets William Campbell DT Michigan
179. Chargers Tourek Williams DE FIU
180. 49ers* Nick Moody OLB Florida State
181. Raiders* Latavius Murray RB Central Florida
182. Panthers Kenjon Barner RB Oregon
183. Saints Rufus Johnson DE Tarleton State
184. Raiders* Mychal Rivera TE Tennessee
185. Cowboys DeVonte Holloman OLB South Carolina
186. Steelers Justin Brown WR Oklahoma
187. Cardinals* Andre Ellington RB Clemson
188. Bears Cornelius Washington DE Georgia
189. Buccaneers* Mike James RB Miami (FL)
190. Bengals Rex Burkhead RB Nebraska
191. Redskins Bacarri Rambo S Georgia
192. Colts John Boyett S Oregon
193. Packers Nate Palmer OLB Illinois State
194. Seahawks Spencer Ware RB LSU
195. Texans Alan Bonner WR Jacksonville St.
196. Vikings* Jeff Baca OG UCLA
197. Bengals* Cobi Hamilton WR Arkansas
198. Texans* Chris Jones DT Bowling Green
199. Lions* Theo Riddick RB Notre Dame
200. Ravens Kapron Lewis-Moore DE Notre Dame
201. Texans Ryan Griffin TE Connecticut
202. Titans Khalid Wooten CB Nevada
203. Ravens Ryan Jensen OG Colorado St.-Pueblo
204. Chiefs Braden Wilson FB Kansas State
205. Raiders Stacy McGee DT Oklahoma
206. Steelers Vince Williams ILB Florida State
7th Round
Spoiler:
207. Chiefs Mike Catapano DE Princeton
208. Jaguars Jeremy Harris CB New Mexico St.
209. Raiders Brice Butler WR San Diego State
210. Jaguars* Demetrius McCray CB Appalachian St.
211. Lions Michael Williams TE Alabama
212. Eagles* Joe Kruger DE Utah
213. Vikings* Michael Mauti ILB Penn State
214. Vikings* Travis Bond OG North Carolina
215. Jets Tommy Bohanon FB Wake Forest
216. Packers* Charles Johnson WR Grand Valley St.
217. Browns* Armonty Bryant DE E. Central Oklahoma
218. Eagles* Jodran Poyer CB Oregon State
219. Cardinals* D.C. Jefferson TE Rutgers
220. Seahawks* Ryan Seymour OG Vanderbilt
221. Chargers Brad Sorensen QB Southern Utah
222. Bills* Chris Gragg TE Arkansas
223. Steelers Nick Williams DT Samford
224. Packers* Kevin Dorsey WR Maryland
225. Giants Eric Herman OG Ohio
226. Patriots* Michael Buchanan DE Illinois
227. Browns* Garrett Gilkey OG Chadron State
228. Redskins Jawan Jamison RB Rutgers
229. Vikings* Everett Dawkins DT Florida State
230. Colts Kerwynn Williams RB Utah State
231. Seahawks Ty Powell OLB Harding
232. Packers Sam Barrington OLB South Florida
233. Raiders* David Bass DE Missouri Western
234. Broncos Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio)
235. Patriots Steve Beauharnais ILB Rutgers
236. Bears* Marquess Wilson WR Washington State
237. 49ers B.J. Daniels QB South Florida
238. Ravens Aaron Mellette WR Elon
239. Eagles David King DE Oklahoma
240. Bengals Reid Fragel OT Ohio State
241. Seahawks Jared Smith DT New Hampshire
242. Seahawks Michael Bowie OT NE Oklahoma State
243. Falcons Kemal Ishmael CB Central Florida
244. Falcons Zeke Motta S Notre Dame
245. Lions Brandon Hepburn ILB Florida A&M
246. 49ers Carter Bykowski OT Iowa State
247. Ravens Marc Anthony CB California
248. Titans Daimion Stafford S Nebraska
249. Falcons Sean Renfree QB Duke
250. Dolphins Don Jones S Arkansas State
251. Bengals T.J. Johnson C South Carolina
252. 49ers Marcus Cooper CB Rutgers
253. Giants Michael Cox RB Massachusetts
254. Colts Justice Cunningham TE South Carolina


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Post by mikeygnfl Sun 28 Apr 2013, 12:53 am

The Jaguars have signed QB Matt Scott.
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Post by Derbyblue Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:00 am

@ShanePHallam16s
Lawrence Okoye to the #49ers

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Post by mikeygnfl Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:05 am

That makes two Brits in the Bay Area.
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Post by NYJ Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:26 am

No Jets in that poll? Rolling Eyes


After some reflection on the Jets draft as a whole, I see what Idzik has tried to do but I certainly don't agree with it. If you asked me before the draft, I would have said that our major needs were OLB, TE, S, WR and OG. We've only addressed one of those positions and now have 6 players to compete for 2 Guard spots. Were drafting like the 49ers or Seahawks - just stocking up on talent. Except, our roster is nowhere near as good as the 49ers or Seahawks so we don't have the luxury to blatantly ignore major positions of need when deciding who to pick.

That's me finished with this draft now and I'll forget about it, get behind the team and hope it turns out alright.
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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:37 am

The Eagles signed Brad Wing

#disgonbegood
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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:56 am

Derbyblue wrote:@JoshNorris1m
RT @lawlornfl: Chip Kelly said the Eagles had 4th round grades on Joe Kruger and Jordan Poyer. Doesn't know why they fell so far.

They also had Barkley as a top 50 player.

Whether thats actually true or just bigging themselves up is up for contention
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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 11:18 am

"I'm going to remember this weekend for a long time and so are the teams that didn't draft me,"

Still think hes a scrub but this is a badass quote
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Post by Colan (niner) Sun 28 Apr 2013, 12:03 pm

delighted the 49ers managed to get Okoye and Marquardt, two athletic beasts who just need coaching. Wasn't sure Okoye would be here considering he had a bit of interest elsewhere but you can't go wrong with Tomsula. And Marquardt was mostly coveted by the Pats and 49ers and happy to get him as scouts I know have said he is one of most naturally talented in draft and would be day 2 pick if he wasn't coming off missing his senior year.......time will tell but could be another Boone

As for late round picks, love picking up Marcus Cooper, might just be camp fodder but any 6'2", 190 corner than runs a 4.3 has tools to work with. B.J Daniels is probably just to ready for Wilson in the Seattle games

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Post by Number-25 Sun 28 Apr 2013, 12:33 pm

Am pleased with the Redskins' draft. We needed Safeties and CBs and we got 3 potentially very good ones. Thomas and Rambo were both projected to go 2nd/3rd round and we got them in the 4th and 6th. Looks like excellent value just now but guess will only know once they suit up and are on the field. Regardless, potentially we've nabbed 3 differencemakers for three secondary. Lookin forward to seeing if Shanahan has found another couple of RB gems in the late rounds. Certainly both of them could potentially give us the change of pace back we don't have.

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Post by Number-25 Sun 28 Apr 2013, 12:39 pm

Also, I know it's been said a thousand times but how cool a name is Bacarri Rambo?? So happy we drafted him!

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Post by cherriesfna Sun 28 Apr 2013, 3:10 pm

It's already obvious Seattle have , we always do lol
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Post by sodhat Sun 28 Apr 2013, 3:13 pm

Raiders had an OK draft. Maybe a bit surprised we took two TEs in the 6th but the rest I was happy with. Sio Moore, David Bass and Menelik are all good pickups for us.

Slightly nervous about Hayden. I know he is medically cleared but I wonder whether it will affect his mentality and how hard he will play.

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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 3:13 pm

you do?
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Post by Derbyblue Sun 28 Apr 2013, 3:19 pm

GSC wrote:"I'm going to remember this weekend for a long time and so are the teams that didn't draft me,"

Still think hes a scrub but this is a badass quote
Who said that?

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Post by sodhat Sun 28 Apr 2013, 3:21 pm

That was Barkley's quote. Looks like one of those that comes back to haunt dudes!

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Post by mikeygnfl Sun 28 Apr 2013, 3:43 pm

NYJ wrote:No Jets in that poll? Rolling Eyes
I had to cut the list down. They could have easily been on it though.

A good pick up for the Eagles with Brad Wing.
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Post by Pr4wn Sun 28 Apr 2013, 3:44 pm

I think the Saints smashed the draft this season.

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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 3:52 pm

Brad Wing will get cut before the season.

Dudes a dumbass
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Post by twelve283 Sun 28 Apr 2013, 4:31 pm

2013 NFL Draft Review

Two drafts that get high grades from me are that of the Cardinals and Bengals, I was a fan of the Bengals 2012 draft and I think they did a good job for the second year in a row.

Arizona Cardinals notable picks
Jonathan Cooper, OG, UNC
Scout's agree that Cooper is one of the most athletic guards they have scouted in recent years, I still think Chance Warmack would have been a better fit in Arizona's man blocking scheme but it's difficult to argue with the Cardinals choosing the prospect with more athletic upside.

Kevin Minter, LB, LSU
Shows better game speed than timed speed, somewhat limited athletically, will do his best work against the run, dependable, tough LB who will fill a role inside in the Cardinals 34 defense.

Tyrann Mathieu, DB, LSU
Wild card pick, forced turnovers while at LSU, size might limit him to working inside but it's not a definite, (Janoris Jenkins made it work outside), also has the ability to contribute on special teams as a returner.

Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson
I'm assuming the reason for Ellington being off the board so late was medical, he should be a nice compliment as a COP back, space player who can be effective in the passing game, could offer something as a returner as well.

Cincinnati Bengals notable picks
Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame
My top ranked TE, Eifert has size and athleticism and should make an impact in the passing game from both the slot and when lined up outside, shows good straight line speed and hands, OK blocker and should improve in this area only expanding his role.

Giovani Bernard, RB, UNC
Like Andre Ellington in that he should fill more of a COP role in the NFL, has more production in the passing game, I think you could have got similar talent later in the draft but Bernard fills a need for the Bengals, role on special teams is a possiblity.

Margus Hunt, DL, SMU
I definitely think Hunt did his best work when getting upfield, watching I never really bought into the idea he was a big body on the end of a 34 line (despite the frame), allowing him to line up as a 43 end or inside in a sub defense should allow him to see the field earlier, has had production as a kick blocker.

Shawn Williams, S, Georgia
I liked Bacarri Rambo better but Williams was first off the board, ran well in the 40 but I didn't see the same athletic ability on the field, I think he's more of a box player, don't like him out in space.

Boom or Bust?
Minnesota Vikings
Shariff Floyd, DL, Florida
NFL teams were obviously not as high on Floyd as most of the armchair scouts out there, watching him I saw a penetrator who would be best in a 43 defense although he did play multiple roles for Florida, short arms which I think will limit him in terms of scheme in the NFL.

Xavier Rhodes, CB, FSU
I never got away from what I saw on the field with Rhodes, he consistently wins as a physical press corner, he's got length and straight line speed, he wins at the LOS, good tackler, plays the run well-rare thing, smarts show on the field, main negative-he is tight in the hips.

Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
Patterson has a rare size/athleticism combo, should be able to contribute as a returner, design some plays for him, reverses etc, and let him get production that way while he develops as a receiver.


Houston Texans
DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
Hopkins has size and good hands, game compares favourably to Broncos receiver Eric Decker, strong, competes for the ball, not fast but runs smooth routes, posession type receiver, ideal fit in the Texans offense opposite Andre Johnson.

DJ Swearinger, S, South Carolina
Didn't run a fast 40 time but he plays faster on the field, versatile player who can play man and zone, up around the LOS and deep, modern NFL safety, downhill player and a big hitter who can be a bit wreckless at times, needs to watch the penalties, some experience at coner.

Other draft notes

The Steelers-Jarvis Jones nuff said, Markus Wheaton is the perfect Mike Wallace replacement, very similar type of player, The FSU LB Vince Williams has been underrated IMO and is a good deal in the 6th, LeVeon Bell I don't see as special but he gains yards, is effective in the passing game and can pass protect-all skills coaches love in a running back.

The 49ers draft has potential-a lot hinges on the health of Tank Carradine and Marcus Lattimore, I assume Patton's problem was character red flags, I thought he had a very similar skillset to Stedman Bailey who went in the 3rd round to St Louis, both good prospects IMO.

Provided his knee problems aren't chronic Seattle got an absolute steal in Alabama DL Jesse Williams, though I have to figure there are serious concerns about his health.

The St Louis Rams draft is filled with athletic playmakers and upside-Tavon Austin, just get him the ball in space, Alec Ogletree, just give him a clear line to the ball carrier, ex-safety is effective in coverage, Stedman Bailey, underrated prospect had good production alongside Austin at West Virginia, TJ McDonald, might have a limited role as a box safety but he's very good in that role, Barrett Jones, needs to check out medically but played 3 positions for Alabama and Saban loved the guy, Zac Stacy, actually thought he might go higher, could be a steal, powerful runner who breaks tackles with SEC production, Brandon McGee, ++ Combine, 4.37 40.

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Post by Lowlandbrit Sun 28 Apr 2013, 4:42 pm

Saw this on twitter about why Tyler Bray went undrafted (Chiefs have signed him):
One scout just texted that his GM refuses to even consider Tyler Bray (QB Tennessee)…called his whiteboard interview the worst he'd seen
Apparently, some of Tennessee's other players in this class aren't exactly fond of Bray & didn't do him any favors when asked about him
Apparently he bombed on Gruden's show too.


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Post by Derbyblue Sun 28 Apr 2013, 5:08 pm

twelve283 wrote:Tyrann Mathieu, DB, LSU
Wild card pick, forced turnovers while at LSU, size might limit him to working inside but it's not a definite, (Janoris Jenkins made it work outside), also has the ability to contribute on special teams as a returner.
I read that Mathieu is going to be playing safety what do you think of that fit?

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Post by Colan (niner) Sun 28 Apr 2013, 5:47 pm

Derbyblue wrote:
twelve283 wrote:Tyrann Mathieu, DB, LSU
Wild card pick, forced turnovers while at LSU, size might limit him to working inside but it's not a definite, (Janoris Jenkins made it work outside), also has the ability to contribute on special teams as a returner.
I read that Mathieu is going to be playing safety what do you think of that fit?

I'd be worried about any 5'8" safety. He is enigmatic player but needs the ball in front of him imo so safety is only possible avenue. He is an exciting player but the character concerns and the fact he can barely string a sentence together worries me

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Post by NYJ Sun 28 Apr 2013, 5:56 pm

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NYJ wrote:No Jets in that poll? Rolling Eyes
I had to cut the list down. They could have easily been on it though.

A good pick up for the Eagles with Brad Wing.

My tongue couldn't get any further in cheek. Perhaps it was the wrong smiley.
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Post by twelve283 Sun 28 Apr 2013, 6:12 pm

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twelve283 wrote:Tyrann Mathieu, DB, LSU
Wild card pick, forced turnovers while at LSU, size might limit him to working inside but it's not a definite, (Janoris Jenkins made it work outside), also has the ability to contribute on special teams as a returner.
I read that Mathieu is going to be playing safety what do you think of that fit?
Yeah, like I mentioned, inside might be where he has to work where he can play safety/slot - in fact I believe Arians indicated that he will flip from weak safety to slot which give the Cardinals defense some flexibiltiy. It sounds like Arians wants him on the field but has doubts about him working outside. I think teams would challenge him by lining up size players in the slot, a move TE for example or a bigger WR which Mathieu might have trouble with.

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I'd be worried about any 5'8" safety. He is enigmatic player but needs the ball in front of him imo so safety is only possible avenue. He is an exciting player but the character concerns and the fact he can barely string a sentence together worries me
The point has been made that if there is one place Mathieu might knuckle down it's Arizona with him looking up to Patrick Peterson.

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Post by Colan (niner) Sun 28 Apr 2013, 7:57 pm

twelve283 wrote:
Derbyblue wrote:
twelve283 wrote:Tyrann Mathieu, DB, LSU
Wild card pick, forced turnovers while at LSU, size might limit him to working inside but it's not a definite, (Janoris Jenkins made it work outside), also has the ability to contribute on special teams as a returner.
I read that Mathieu is going to be playing safety what do you think of that fit?
Yeah, like I mentioned, inside might be where he has to work where he can play safety/slot - in fact I believe Arians indicated that he will flip from weak safety to slot which give the Cardinals defense some flexibiltiy. It sounds like Arians wants him on the field but has doubts about him working outside. I think teams would challenge him by lining up size players in the slot, a move TE for example or a bigger WR which Mathieu might have trouble with.

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I'd be worried about any 5'8" safety. He is enigmatic player but needs the ball in front of him imo so safety is only possible avenue. He is an exciting player but the character concerns and the fact he can barely string a sentence together worries me
The point has been made that if there is one place Mathieu might knuckle down it's Arizona with him looking up to Patrick Peterson.

I thought after Reid was drafted that maybe the 49ers would be in on him too. Really like his skills but I'll be delighted if he is ever isolated in our division against bigger receivers. I'm more worried about his return skills, he can be electric but good luck taking them opportunities from PP7

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Post by Number-25 Sun 28 Apr 2013, 8:30 pm

Re The Honey Badger - one comment I read about him over the weekend that made me laugh was that there is no place in the NFL for small, slow Corners that smoke dope. I'm no personnel man but even I get that point.

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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 8:44 pm

There will always be a place in the NFL for guys who have a knack of being around the ball.
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Post by Derbyblue Sun 28 Apr 2013, 8:53 pm

Number-25 wrote:Re The Honey Badger - one comment I read about him over the weekend that made me laugh was that there is no place in the NFL for small, slow Corners that smoke dope. I'm no personnel man but even I get that point.
Yeah it's his height that will stop him from being a corner on the outside, 4.46 40 yard dash so not that slow, guys a ball hawk and can contribute on special teams though they may not replace Peterson, expect there will be a number of clauses in the contract regarding the drugs issue plus Peterson and his father have been mentoring him so being in Arizona with them should stop the off the field issues and Cardinals obviously trust him to stay out of trouble as they took him in the 3rd so they'll be investing in making sure he does.

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Post by Number-25 Sun 28 Apr 2013, 8:54 pm

GSC wrote:There will always be a place in the NFL for guys who have a knack of being around the ball.

Like Burnt Toast?? Wink

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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 8:56 pm

DeAngelo Hall has made a career of making highlight reel picks and being garbage inbetween, sure.
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Post by Number-25 Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:02 pm

Laugh You leave our MeAngelo alone!

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Post by Derbyblue Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:06 pm

I look forward to seeing Mathieu having to take down Gore/Lynch/Davis in the open field to save the TD.

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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:12 pm

There are plenty of safeties that have carved out a good career while not playing the run though.

Centerfield, let him sit back and read the QB eyes and go get it. If he buys into football, its really good value.
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Post by Derbyblue Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:19 pm

GSC wrote:There are plenty of safeties that have carved out a good career while not playing the run though.

Centerfield, let him sit back and read the QB eyes and go get it. If he buys into football, its really good value.
I know just saying I would like to see it, plus look forward to seeing him have to go up against the 6'6" TE's.

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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:31 pm

Watching some Matt Barkley tape now to try and make me feel better. Started with the trackmeet vs Oregon. Arm didn't actually look that bad, showed some nice poise. Few bad decisions though.

Lee is a monster btw.

Also lol Monte Kiffins D. That cheered me up too.
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Post by NYJ Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:48 pm

Barkley relied a lot on his receivers. Something like 52% of his targets were under 5 yards. Matt Cassel 2.0.
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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:50 pm

Yeah you definitely need to surround him with weapons.
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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:53 pm

Do like the touch on throws. Some glaring decisions where you just say 'what was that'.
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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:55 pm

He is a guy who suits Shurmur though, which in turn suits Reids personnel. Do need to find a #1 if hes going to play though.
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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:58 pm

Watched the Arizona game. That was a bit more ugly. Few ugly plays you don't expect from a 4 year starter
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Post by Colan (niner) Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:59 pm

If Vick goes I see Eagles targeting QB early next year when there is a ton of talent. Not sold on Foles and think Barkley is more of a backup hence 4th round value. But I do like him in right situation if everything is in place

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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:01 pm

I assume Chips looking for his QB next year. A 4th rounder aint gonna deter him from that.

Vicks deal voids to a 1 year deal at some point.
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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:05 pm

Stanford game up next.

good god I haven't seen a OL this leaky since the Eagles last played.
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Post by Colan (niner) Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:16 pm

GSC wrote:I assume Chips looking for his QB next year. A 4th rounder aint gonna deter him from that.

Vicks deal voids to a 1 year deal at some point.

Well Mariota will be RS Sophomore so if he declares could be match made in heaven.

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Post by Colan (niner) Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:17 pm

GSC wrote:I assume Chips looking for his QB next year. A 4th rounder aint gonna deter him from that.

Vicks deal voids to a 1 year deal at some point.

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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:23 pm

Maybe. College coaches seem to trend away from former players tho I think.
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Post by GSC Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:54 pm

Utah was a much better game, especially from the hole USC were in early. Hangs in there on the odd occasion the OL gave him time.
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