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Post by Duty281 Fri May 10, 2013 1:19 am

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22462525

BT Sport 1 and 2 will be free to BT Broadband customers. That is quite a lot of sport, including 38 live Premier Games. Quite incredible move, and might break the near-monopoly of Sky Sports. Hats off to BT for that.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:45 am

I have SKY (most people should) and BT broadband because its the fastest broadband and quite frankly all the other broadbands suck. So it was good when BT Sport gave us free channels in our sky package, however they will never beat Sky Sports.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:01 am

NickisBHAFC wrote:I have SKY (most people should) and BT broadband because its the fastest broadband and quite frankly all the other broadbands suck. So it was good when BT Sport gave us free channels in our sky package, however they will never beat Sky Sports.
I think what BT are trying to do is to get people to sign up to their broadband etc and bt sports is a massive incentive to do that.


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Post by CFCNick Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:40 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
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Champagne_Socialist wrote:Bt Sport is great and it is totally free. I am a bt customer and I got bt sports and espn for free my internet phone line and tv from bt costs £28 a month which is very cheap.

Also BT are showing a premier league game every week along with conference, fa cup and international football.

You can still get sky sports 1 & 2 for £20 extra on BT.

I also read that a million people have already signed up to change their internet providers to BT.
I'm a Virgin Media customer so I get it free without needing BT's sh ite broadband.
The virgin deal is great for bt as it means they will make more money from virgin customers.

But you only get bt sports fr free on virgin if you are on their most expensive package. On any other virgin package you have to pay £15 a month.
I know. We had ESPN and ESPN America free too.

NickisBHAFC wrote:I have SKY (most people should) and BT broadband because its the fastest broadband and quite frankly all the other broadbands suck. So it was good when BT Sport gave us free channels in our sky package, however they will never beat Sky Sports.
As for broadband quality BT sucks in my area and Virgin is the best. I haven't watched anything on BT Sports yet as there hasn't been anything to watch yet but will definitely have a look at their Saturday morning show tomorrow. Yeah they'll never compete with Sky Sports. Also on Virgin tv you don't get a pixelated picture when there's a thunderstorm.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:23 am

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Champagne_Socialist wrote:Bt Sport is great and it is totally free. I am a bt customer and I got bt sports and espn for free my internet phone line and tv from bt costs £28 a month which is very cheap.

Also BT are showing a premier league game every week along with conference, fa cup and international football.

You can still get sky sports 1 & 2 for £20 extra on BT.

I also read that a million people have already signed up to change their internet providers to BT.
I'm a Virgin Media customer so I get it free without needing BT's sh ite broadband.
The virgin deal is great for bt as it means they will make more money from virgin customers.

But you only get bt sports fr free on virgin if you are on their most expensive package. On any other virgin package you have to pay £15 a month.
I know. We had ESPN and ESPN America free too.

NickisBHAFC wrote:I have SKY (most people should) and BT broadband because its the fastest broadband and quite frankly all the other broadbands suck. So it was good when BT Sport gave us free channels in our sky package, however they will never beat Sky Sports.
As for broadband quality BT sucks in my area and Virgin is the best. I haven't watched anything on BT Sports yet as there hasn't been anything to watch yet but will definitely have a look at their Saturday morning show tomorrow. Yeah they'll never compete with Sky Sports. Also on Virgin tv you don't get a pixelated picture when there's a thunderstorm.
Has there ever been an internet and tv provider that has competed with Sky? We had setanta and ESPN but they were just channels. BT sports is more than a channel as it is also an internet provider/phone provider and free view provider.

I think BT will take the number 1 position within 5 years.

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Post by Marky Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:14 am

Just upgraded my Virgin Media TV package from L to XL, extra £10 or so. Now I've got BT Sport and ESPN as part of it. No brainer.

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Post by CFCNick Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:31 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
CFCNick wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
CFCNick wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:Bt Sport is great and it is totally free. I am a bt customer and I got bt sports and espn for free my internet phone line and tv from bt costs £28 a month which is very cheap.

Also BT are showing a premier league game every week along with conference, fa cup and international football.

You can still get sky sports 1 & 2 for £20 extra on BT.

I also read that a million people have already signed up to change their internet providers to BT.
I'm a Virgin Media customer so I get it free without needing BT's sh ite broadband.
The virgin deal is great for bt as it means they will make more money from virgin customers.

But you only get bt sports fr free on virgin if you are on their most expensive package. On any other virgin package you have to pay £15 a month.
I know. We had ESPN and ESPN America free too.

NickisBHAFC wrote:I have SKY (most people should) and BT broadband because its the fastest broadband and quite frankly all the other broadbands suck. So it was good when BT Sport gave us free channels in our sky package, however they will never beat Sky Sports.
As for broadband quality BT sucks in my area and Virgin is the best. I haven't watched anything on BT Sports yet as there hasn't been anything to watch yet but will definitely have a look at their Saturday morning show tomorrow. Yeah they'll never compete with Sky Sports. Also on Virgin tv you don't get a pixelated picture when there's a thunderstorm.
Has there ever been an internet and tv provider that has competed with Sky? We had setanta and ESPN but they were just channels. BT sports is more than a channel as it is also an internet provider/phone provider and free view provider.

I think BT will take the number 1 position within 5 years.
Judging by your posts I'd like to know, do you work for BT?

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Post by Ent Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:33 am

Bt are haemorraghing broadband customers to sky and virgin. This move is an attempt to stop that.

There broadband costs double sky's, no chance am I changing.

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Post by CFCNick Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:35 am

Ent wrote:Bt are haemorraghing broadband customers to sky and virgin. This move is an attempt to stop that.

There broadband costs double sky's, no chance am I changing.
Yeah, the price of BT broadband is conveniently just over the cost of taking up BT Sport.

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Post by Guest Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:40 am

SKY is way too big for BT to even nudge it an inch.

I'm sure it's not BT's intention to even topple SKY anyway, they'd be fools to even think that's believable. They have just acquired a share of the market that was up for grabs.

This whole BT Sport free thingymajig leaves a cynical taste in my mouth. Lets see what their package prices are in 12 months time. There's no such thing as something for nothing...

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Post by Guest Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:42 am

CFCNick wrote:Judging by your posts I'd like to know, do you work for BT?
I happen to agree with him, and don't work for BT.

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Post by Ent Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:08 am

Freek it's not for nothing, it's for twice the price of the other broadband providers.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:31 am

BT presenting themselves as some innocent bastion for free sport is far more sickening.

Funnily enough, Sky Sports do take more interest in sport. Even Sky Sports News isnt the commercial machine it once was (I should know, my dissertation was on whether or not Sky Sports News has commercial bias and their news strategies).

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:38 pm

Ent wrote:Freek it's not for nothing, it's for twice the price of the other broadband providers.
How is it twice the price?

BT unlimited internet package with digital tv and bt sports 1 & 2 is £31

Sky unlimited internet package with digital tv is £36

Virgin unlimited 30mb package with digital tv £29.50

Please tell me how it is twice the price?

Taken as a package where you get tv, phone line and internet it is cheaper than sky and only slightly more expensive than virgin but the virgin package s not unlimited internet it is only 30mb. Also when you factor in the bt sports channels you get free with BT it seems as if BT is the best value option on the market.

I would also like to add that on Sky it costs £44 for the sky sports channels. On BT it costs £20 for the sky sports channels.

So Sky with internet, tv, bt sports ( costs 12 p/m and a £15 activation fee on sky) and sky sports (£44) costs about £100 p/m total
Bt with internet, tv, bt sports (free) and sky sports (£20 p/m) costs £51 p/m total

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Post by compelling and rich Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:40 pm

im currently paying £30 a month for sky with all sky sports channels and unlimited broadand and that's with line rental. its that price for 6 months then goes up to about £60 all in. never paid any activation fee

also those saying you get espn with BT, you now also do with sky as BT has taken anything decent from ESPN and ESPN classics has now stopped

if BT customers only get sky sports 1 and 2 you just watch miraculously how sky start showing games on sky sports 3 and 4. i know there's already a fair bit on champions league nights.

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Post by CFCNick Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:52 pm

I'm paying £90 a month on Virgin with XL tv with a 1tb Tivo box and Sky Sports in HD (£7 cheaper for just SD), XL broadband which is unlimited with speeds up to 60mb (highest I've had is 53, lowest 41 on speedtest.net), and an M phone line. Would be £80 without the phone line and £60-70 if I stop using the phone. Virgin is the best provider in my area and unlike Sky you can still watch tv during a thunderstorm.

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Post by Ent Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:56 pm

I was on 55 sky package. All sports, sky plus, on demand, unlimited Internet and free evening and weekend calls.

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Post by The Special Juan Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:34 pm

Who's the Scouser sitting to the right of Hargreaves?
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Post by Crimey Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:39 pm

Steve McManaman.

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Post by The Special Juan Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:44 pm

Thanks OK He needs a haircut.
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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:15 am

Ent wrote:I was on 55 sky package. All sports, sky plus, on demand, unlimited Internet and free evening and weekend calls.
I am on £28 a month with Bt including bt vision tv, unlimited internet and free weekend calls plus bt sports 1 & 2 and espn. If I want sky sprts i pay £20 so it will cost me £48 to have all of the above and sky sports.

It would cost you £70 to have your current sky package and to include BT sports in your package ( 12 p/m and £15 activation fee)

At this current time BT does appear to be best value for money if you are looking at getting as many sprts channels possible at the cheapest price.

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Post by CFCNick Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:56 am

Problem with BT Vision is that it's not available to everyone, I know Virgin isn't but it's more readily available than BT, and in some areas that can get it it's just glorified Freeview. You get much better choices for tv on Sky and Virgin that justifies the price difference.

Which Sky Sports channels are on BT? Is it still just 1 & 2?

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:30 am

yeh just 1 & 2

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:50 am

Darren Fletcher is a superb football commentator
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Post by The Special Juan Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:57 am

I know that name. Did he do reporting at football grounds for Gabby on that BBC results show whose name I can't remember?
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:57 am

He used to be a commentator on 5 Live TSJ, also did NFL as well
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Post by The Special Juan Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:17 am

That's it!! Cheers Olly.
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Post by The Terror of Tylorstown Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:24 am

Prices aside just look at the games Sky get as opposed to BT, they target the clubs with the biggest fanbase and have already show United play Chelsea and Liverpool as well as the north london derby. BT couldn't dream of showing games like that because SKY pick them all up first leaving the cast offs, in the grand scheme of things how many would have been interested in watching Liverpool play Stoke?

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Post by Fernando Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:34 am

you can Terror but after the next two games Palace/United & Norwich/Villa. Id like to see pretty much all of them all potentially very decent games. 

Citeh/Everton, Newcastle/Liverpool, Palace/Arsenal *Arsenal fan, Newcastle/Chelsea,Merseyside derby,Spurs/United. 

I wouldn't really call them cast off games

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:40 am

Norwich/Villa should be a pretty tasty game too

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:40 am

BT Sport is decent, but if it wasn't free it would be crap and not worth it.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:36 am

I hate their studio stuff, and they have been using a commentator I dont like, one of the older guys, and hes awful.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:34 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:BT Sport is decent, but if it wasn't free it would be crap and not worth it.
It depends really, it is only £3 a week and for that you get;

UFC live on a wednesday and saturday night

1 premier league game live every week
Live Scottish premier league
4/5 Seria A games live every week
4/5 Bundasliga games live every week
4/5 french league games live every week
4/5 Brazillan league football every week
4/5 MLS live every week
Live Europa league
live international football

Live Rugby (only being shown on BT)

Live Tennis

Live athletics


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Post by Champagne_Socialist Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:35 pm

I would also add that this is BT's first year and they already have all of the above live. If it is a success imagine when the champions league bidding rights become available and Bt gets champions league games.

Also in the future BT will get access to more live premier league games when the bidding comes around again.


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Post by Kay Fabe Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:01 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I hate their studio stuff, and they have been using a commentator I dont like, one of the older guys, and hes awful.
Ian Darke? I love him, he was the voice of Monday Night Football when the Premiership began back in 92, prefer him to any other English commentator these days.

I also love the BT Studio stuff they do, its fresh, its a zillion times above ESPN and I find it just as good if not better at times than SKY...their coverage of Scottish Football blows SKY out the water, SKY treat us like an inconvenience

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:06 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
NickisBHAFC wrote:BT Sport is decent, but if it wasn't free it would be crap and not worth it.
It depends really, it is only £3 a week and for that you get;

UFC live on a wednesday and saturday night

1 premier league game live every week - only 1?
Live Scottish premier league - who cares?
4/5 Seria A games live every week - ditto
4/5 Bundasliga games live every week - ditto ditto
4/5 french league games live every week - ditto ditto ditto
4/5 Brazillan league football every week -ditto ditto ditto ditto
4/5 MLS live every week - as many dittos as possible
Live Europa league - EPL teams?
live international football - not England, so not really a boast.

Live Rugby (only being shown on BT) - decent

Live Tennis - really? what? because Wimbledon is on BBC and the other grand slams (and I think ATP finals) are on Sky.

Live athletics - meh

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Post by CFCNick Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:39 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
NickisBHAFC wrote:BT Sport is decent, but if it wasn't free it would be crap and not worth it.
It depends really, it is only £3 a week and for that you get;

UFC live on a wednesday and saturday night

1 premier league game live every week - only 1?
Live Scottish premier league - who cares?
4/5 Seria A games live every week - ditto
4/5 Bundasliga games live every week - ditto ditto
4/5 french league games live every week - ditto ditto ditto
4/5 Brazillan league football every week -ditto ditto ditto ditto
4/5 MLS live every week - as many dittos as possible
Live Europa league - EPL teams?
live international football - not England, so not really a boast.

Live Rugby (only being shown on BT) - decent

Live Tennis - really? what? because Wimbledon is on BBC and the other grand slams (and I think ATP finals) are on Sky.

Live athletics - meh
I enjoy watching German and Italian football. Much better than whatever La Liga crapfest, huge erections for Barcelona and Real, Sky put on. They do show England u21s which can be exciting at times. And, what's wrong with the Europa League? There are done fantastic teams in it every year.

If you were a real football fan you'd watch and enjoy any football available. But that's just my opinion. I can happily sit in front of most team sports and enjoy whoever's playing.

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Post by Guest Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:41 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:UFC live on a wednesday and saturday night - I don't watch it

1 premier league game live every week - must see
Live Scottish premier league - hate it
4/5 Seria A games live every week - watch as many as I can
4/5 Bundasliga games live every week - watch as many as I can
4/5 french league games live every week - watch as many as I can
4/5 Brazillan league football every week - if nowt else on will watch
4/5 MLS live every week - try and watch 1 a week
Live Europa league - won't watch
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Live Rugby (only being shown on BT) - worst sport ever

Live Tennis - boring

Live athletics - not even a sport
Overall, I'd be happy to pay £3 a week for that. The coverage is much better than Sky's too.

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Post by Guest Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:43 pm

CFCNick wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
NickisBHAFC wrote:BT Sport is decent, but if it wasn't free it would be crap and not worth it.
It depends really, it is only £3 a week and for that you get;

UFC live on a wednesday and saturday night

1 premier league game live every week - only 1?
Live Scottish premier league - who cares?
4/5 Seria A games live every week - ditto
4/5 Bundasliga games live every week - ditto ditto
4/5 french league games live every week - ditto ditto ditto
4/5 Brazillan league football every week -ditto ditto ditto ditto
4/5 MLS live every week - as many dittos as possible
Live Europa league - EPL teams?
live international football - not England, so not really a boast.

Live Rugby (only being shown on BT) - decent

Live Tennis - really? what? because Wimbledon is on BBC and the other grand slams (and I think ATP finals) are on Sky.

Live athletics - meh
If you were a real football fan you'd watch and enjoy any football available. But that's just my opinion. I can happily sit in front of most team sports and enjoy whoever's playing.
Absolutely this. I'd look forward to Norwich v Villa as much as I would Man Utd v Chelsea. In fact the marquee matches more often than not tend to be disappointing.


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Post by westisbest Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:19 pm

Look forward to Norwich-Villa myself Smile
 
Love the UFC, so watch that as much as I can.
 
Out of the non english leagues listed, would only really watch MLS & SPL.
No interest in the rest(just my opinion, but does'nt make me less a football fan as anyone who will watch those leagues).
 
Watch the Tennis & Rugby.
 
Dont like Athletics.
 
All in all enough there to watch.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:21 pm

westisbest wrote:Look forward to Norwich-Villa myself Smile
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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:48 pm

CFCNick wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
NickisBHAFC wrote:BT Sport is decent, but if it wasn't free it would be crap and not worth it.
It depends really, it is only £3 a week and for that you get;

UFC live on a wednesday and saturday night

1 premier league game live every week - only 1?
Live Scottish premier league - who cares?
4/5 Seria A games live every week - ditto
4/5 Bundasliga games live every week - ditto ditto
4/5 french league games live every week - ditto ditto ditto
4/5 Brazillan league football every week -ditto ditto ditto ditto
4/5 MLS live every week - as many dittos as possible
Live Europa league - EPL teams?
live international football - not England, so not really a boast.

Live Rugby (only being shown on BT) - decent

Live Tennis - really? what? because Wimbledon is on BBC and the other grand slams (and I think ATP finals) are on Sky.

Live athletics - meh
I enjoy watching German and Italian football. Much better than whatever La Liga crapfest, huge erections for Barcelona and Real, Sky put on. They do show England u21s which can be exciting at times. And, what's wrong with the Europa League? There are done fantastic teams in it every year.

If you were a real football fan you'd watch and enjoy any football available. But that's just my opinion. I can happily sit in front of most team sports and enjoy whoever's playing.
Not a real football fan, happy to admit that. Overpaid classless twonks who are greedy passionless whingeing moaning tarts.

Real and Barca are the only two sides worth watching in La Liga, so I enjoy those games which I get through Sky, now't else is worth it. Italian football is like watching paint dry. Europa League is poorman's CL, so I'll stick with the real mccoy on Sky and terrestrial.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:52 pm

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:Prices aside just look at the games Sky get as opposed to BT, they target the clubs with the biggest fanbase and have already show United play Chelsea and Liverpool as well as the north london derby. BT couldn't dream of showing games like that because SKY pick them all up first leaving the cast offs, in the grand scheme of things how many would have been interested in watching Liverpool play Stoke?
No they don't as BT have some first picks. Hence why BT have the Tottenham-Chelsea game. They've saved a lot of their first picks for later on in the season too.

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Post by CFCNick Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:01 pm

TopHat - watching Real and Barca is the most boring thing on the planet. They just pass and pass and pass and score. You know they're going to win before seeing the starting lineups.

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Post by Guest Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:07 pm

It's also a myth that Italian football is boring.

There were 43 goals in last weekends fixtures. There's always plenty of goals in Serie A.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:15 am

CFCNick wrote:TopHat - watching Real and Barca is the most boring thing on the planet. They just pass and pass and pass and score. You know they're going to win before seeing the starting lineups.
If I wanted to watch crap football I'd stick to Oxford United. There's nothing 'real' about watching a bunch of less capable players fail to complete passes and fall on the floor a lot.

Like going to Petrus and just odering grilled chicken n side salad.

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Post by The Terror of Tylorstown Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:41 am

As a football and boxing fan Sky will always have my backing, i've got BT sport free because of my internet which is garbage and a fraction as good as Virgin Media for instance. The pricing of these channels doesn't bother me so i'll go for quality over quantity every day, how many people in this country really give a crap about foreign leagues anyway? I'd rather watch eastenders than watch Madrid or Barcelona play unless it's against an english that I like.

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Post by The Terror of Tylorstown Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:42 am

Duty281 wrote:
The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:Prices aside just look at the games Sky get as opposed to BT, they target the clubs with the biggest fanbase and have already show United play Chelsea and Liverpool as well as the north london derby. BT couldn't dream of showing games like that because SKY pick them all up first leaving the cast offs, in the grand scheme of things how many would have been interested in watching Liverpool play Stoke?
No they don't as BT have some first picks. Hence why BT have the Tottenham-Chelsea game. They've saved a lot of their first picks for later on in the season too.
I stand corrected but with 3 times as many games and i'd expect better quality overall Sky is still miles ahead of BT.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:18 am

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:As a football and boxing fan Sky will always have my backing, i've got BT sport free because of my internet which is garbage and a fraction as good as Virgin Media for instance. The pricing of these channels doesn't bother me so i'll go for quality over quantity every day, how many people in this country really give a crap about foreign leagues anyway? I'd rather watch eastenders than watch Madrid or Barcelona play unless it's against an english that I like.
Depends how much of a football fan you are. If you enjoy watching the best football then BT is better than sky because BT show the German league which has the strongest teams in it. Italian league is very entertaining and there are great players there and the french league is exciting this year with monaco and PSG buying the worlds best players.

Sky offer la liga and english premier league whilst BT offer italian, french, german and english premier league. Sky have the advantage over EPL because they offer 3x as many games but BT has the edge for foreign leagues.

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Post by The Terror of Tylorstown Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:30 am

You are aware that the majority of english people are only going to be concerned by the premier league yes?

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Post by Guest Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:20 am

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You are aware that the majority of english people are only going to be concerned by the premier league yes?
How do you know?

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