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Post by Guest Sun 02 Jun 2013, 9:38 am

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Match will start at 10:45 am

glorious weather this morning at the rose bowl...

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 1:48 pm

Well done jimmy.

Big Mac out now to smash it around. 350 still on.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 1:49 pm

Oh dear. Eng have only won three times chasing 300 plus out of 19 attempts

And this team.. Well congrats kiwis I guess.

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Post by alfie Sun 02 Jun 2013, 1:58 pm

Looks like 320 at least with five to go...maybe 330

A lot to chase. But remember there are new rules now which make it tougher for the bowling team , especially on flat pitches like this.

McCullum hits a six ...ominous...if he has found his range Shocked

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:03 pm

I just can't see us hitting out like this. No confidence anyway can bat through like guptil or bat big like BMC.

52 off 26 and an attack that can do nothing about it.

This is very worrying.


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Post by NickisBHAFC Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:04 pm

NZ batting superbly well. Like i said the other day, they could be worth a punt for the ICC Trophy. There bowling is a bit poor though.

No chance of us winning this, no chance.

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Post by GSC Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:04 pm

NZ always seem to produce a good ODI lineup
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:06 pm

Guptil 150.

Brilliant.


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Post by Duty281 Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:06 pm

Miserable stuff so far by England, Woakes in particular. More fine batting by Guptill has to be applauded though.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:07 pm

With no Southee in the NZ bowling today, it looks a quite weak line up.

Pitch is a belter and the outfield is quick.

Gonna need someone to go big, but could do it
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Post by Corporalhumblebucket Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:07 pm

Dernbach... picard

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:07 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:NZ batting superbly well. Like i said the other day, they could be worth a punt for the ICC Trophy. There bowling is a bit poor though.


No chance of us winning this, no chance.

And what little confidence the tests gave has been undone by a battering in this series. This has been amazing for the kiwis. Our poor selections have given them a boost and wrecked us.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:09 pm

Highest ever score here going first. England dead and buried.

Even Anderson going for sixes.

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Post by alfie Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:15 pm

Top innings from Guptill ...McCullum teeing off now , and even Anderson has ended up going for over sixty...bit unlucky with that contentious boundary call against Trott.

You could say everything is going New Zealand's way...they have earned some luck though , have played this perfectly to maximize the advantage of winning the toss.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:15 pm

Better side than a painfully poor England side for sure.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:18 pm

Yeah full credit to Guptill he has batted superbly well today.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:19 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Yeah full credit to Guptill he has batted superbly well today.

Stunning.

Overall this might be the weakest England attack i have ever seen. on a pitch with no turn it was a one man attack.

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Post by alfie Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:19 pm

About right with your 350 estimate , trebs...might even be more as the wheels come off the England vehicle...

They appear to be allowing things like that disputed boundary to upset them , which should not happen , though it is human nature , I guess.

Going to be a tough chase Very Happy

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:20 pm

Biggest ever NZ score in odi.

Well done NZ. You are seriously back and seriously good.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:23 pm

Dernbach 0-87

Get him out the bluddy side.

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Post by dyrewolfe Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:24 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Biggest ever NZ score in odi.

Well done NZ. You are seriously back and seriously good.


While there's no denying NZ batted well, I think England were equally shocking and made them look far better than they actually are.

Magnificent innings from Guptill - really punished England for not taking that early chance. clap

Our bowlers looked absolutely toothless for much of the innings and were downright embarrassing for the last 10-15 overs - getting smacked all around the park. Our fielding wasn't much better either.

I will state here and now England won't even get close to the 360 they need to win.


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Post by alfie Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:25 pm

Dernbach gone for 87...that should be it surely ? Not that he was Robinson Crusoe today...

Gulptill one of the great ODI innings OK

359 ought to be a winner...though I guess Australia thought that in Johannesburg a few years back...

I have to work tomorrow so if England do work a miracle it will just be highlights for me...'night all.

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Post by mystiroakey Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:25 pm

typical one day performance after an ok test series.. Not sure why england do this.

But well done NZ.. If england get out of this one it will be one of the best games I have ever seen

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:27 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Dernbach 0-87

Get him out the bluddy side.

The coaches just show contempt for paying customers pick this this time after time.

Disgusted is the only word. NZ picked a proper side, England picked this shambles and happy to be shown up. They are going to show themselves up badly in the icc trophy.


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Post by Duty281 Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:27 pm

Don't worry, Broad and Finn will be fit for the next ODI = no more Woakes or Dernbach. Let's just try not to embarrass ourselves when we bat.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:30 pm

alfie wrote:Dernbach gone for 87...that should be it surely ? Not that he was Robinson Crusoe today...

Gulptill one of the great ODI innings OK

359 ought to be a winner...though I guess Australia thought that in Johannesburg a few years back...

I have to work tomorrow so if England do work a miracle it will just be highlights for me...'night all.

Nigth Alfie. Sorry you had to see England putting that out,

At least you saw a truly class NZ. Well done to them and huge congrats on the series win.

England need to scrap this and try something new in the dead rubber.

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Post by Marcus Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:31 pm

Secret agent Dernbach strikes again.

Can he not be deported back to Safferland? I'd prefer Jade Goody in the side.

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Post by liverbnz Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:32 pm

Super score from NZ. Guptil was fantastic - a template on how to bat in ODis nowadays.

Hard to assess England's bowling on that pitch but Ashely Giles was seen taking notes as Dernbach's last ball squirted for four - probably writing sown thing along the lines of 'don't pick him again'. In all seriousness, it really should be all she wrote for England and Derbach. As for Woakes, it's early days, but the screaming on this board to get him in the team look a bit puzzling to me. Average batsman, average bowler. Reminds me of Mark Ealham *shudders*

Anyway, great chance for Bell and Trott to find some form on a belter of a pitch in great conditions for batting before the CT and then the Ashes. Odds are with NZ though, which will mean a poor (home) start for Ashely Giles as the leading the team.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:33 pm

Marcus wrote:Secret agent Dernbach strikes again.

Can he not be deported back to Safferland? I'd prefer Jade Goody in the side.
Even a team of zombies would do far better.

England score? 180 all out,

3 nil in this series and losing every game in the trophy judging by this guff. Lets hope Finn and broad can change that.

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Post by kingdaveeagle Sun 02 Jun 2013, 2:46 pm

I'm a huge lifelong Surrey fan - and I can't stand Dernbach! Never been any good.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:00 pm

Stuart Broad has just tweeted:

"Big score but flat deck and with these new extra man in the circle rules its getable! Morgan 100"

'Ere we go, 'Ere we go...England to pull off the great escape!

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:02 pm

Duty281 wrote:Stuart Broad has just tweeted:

"Big score but flat deck and with these new extra man in the circle rules its getable! Morgan 100"

'Ere we go, 'Ere we go...England to pull off the great escape!
I had to admire your positivity duty.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:03 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Stuart Broad has just tweeted:

"Big score but flat deck and with these new extra man in the circle rules its getable! Morgan 100"

'Ere we go, 'Ere we go...England to pull off the great escape!
I had to admire your positivity duty.

They're missing their best bowler - Southee. It's a very flat track, nice weather, little pressure to begin with. We can do it.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:05 pm

I'd be picking you to do team talks over me, that's for sure Hug

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Post by Duty281 Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:07 pm

Laugh Laugh

First boundary for England, captain's example.

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:11 pm

alfie wrote:Dernbach gone for 87...that should be it surely ? Not that he was Robinson Crusoe today...

Gulptill one of the great ODI innings OK

359 ought to be a winner...though I guess Australia thought that in Johannesburg a few years back...

I have to work tomorrow so if England do work a miracle it will just be highlights for me...'night all.

Alfie, they did score 360 in the WC Final v India. That was more than enough that day. Very Happy

You're thinking of the 434? Yes... point taken! Run
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Post by Duty281 Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:15 pm

England need to go at around a run a ball up until the 30 over mark, then they need to step on it. Having wickets in hand is crucial.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:21 pm

No fielding better, bowling better and nearly caught one.

With this scoreboard pressure it's hard to see eng getting close.

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Post by msp83 Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:21 pm

I've been travelling today, just turned on the PC and saw NZ's scored 359. The surprise was that Jade Dernbach went only for 87, I was expecting a fabulous ton there!.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:23 pm

Doing better than NZ were doing after 5 overs!

BELIEVE IN THE TEAM warning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by msp83 Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:25 pm

I think its high time that the England team management accept the obvious and move on from Dernbach, he's not international standards. Could be handy on a good day in domestic cricket, but not really international class.
But it seems there is a worrying lack of depth in seam bowling in the ODI level for England.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:27 pm

Good start from England - going at over a run a ball after 6 overs, no wickets lost yet.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:28 pm

msp83 wrote:I think its high time that the England team management accept the obvious and move on from Dernbach, he's not international standards. Could be handy on a good day in domestic cricket, but not really international class.
But it seems there is a worrying lack of depth in seam bowling in the ODI level for England.

Indeed, that's what I was saying.

Aussie apparently have them coming out of their ears, should see them dominate the ashes for some time surely?

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:30 pm

Now, now trebs.

You should delete the ? to make it a statement if you want that one work! Wink
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Post by Guest Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:31 pm

bracewell has started off with some good pace..im suprised we didnt go with 2 spinners today to be honest..

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Post by GSC Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:32 pm

Guptill making a fine case for an Ashes call up.
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:34 pm

Linebreaker wrote:Now, now trebs.

You should delete the ? to make it a statement if you want that one work! Wink

But it's true though. You have piles of express pace youngsters and the future looks bright. Us... Serious problems.

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Post by dyrewolfe Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:36 pm

At the risk of putting the mockers on England, this is an encouraging start. Cook and Bell going nicely here.








...oh for god's sake!!!


There goes Cook, bowled for 34 and England 50-1. mad


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Post by msp83 Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:37 pm

GSC wrote:Guptill making a fine case for an Ashes call up.
Did he play county cricket for Warwickshire????

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:37 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:Now, now trebs.

You should delete the ? to make it a statement if you want that one work! Wink

But it's true though. You have piles of express pace youngsters and the future looks bright. Us... Serious problems.

Yeah that Finn's pants
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 02 Jun 2013, 3:38 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:At the risk of putting the mockers on England, this is an encouraging start. Cook and Bell going nicely here.

For gods sake dyrewolfe!!!
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