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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:45 am

What a day we had, finally a French hero rising to the occasion to down a legend, but his work is not over indeed got 2 crucial matches ahead to be considered as a GS champ. Rise of underdogs as been the theme of the day will it continue another day? the biggest question is can Wawrinka somehow outset the off-color Rafa?French Open Day 11 - Can Wawrinka Stop Rafa? 4473114-3x2-700x467

Haas has in him to beat Nole, but not sure Wawrinka has in him to take Rafa to even 4 sets let alone a win, but would certainly love a complete underdogs semi.

Schedule of Matches

Court Philippe Chatrier
2:00 PM Women's Singles - Quarterfinals
Jelena Jankovic (SRB) [18] vs. Maria Sharapova (RUS) [2]

Followed byMen's Singles - Quarterfinals
Rafael Nadal (ESP) [3] vs.Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI) [9]

Court Suzanne Lenglen
2:00 PM Women's Singles - Quarterfinals
Maria Kirilenko (RUS) [12] vs.Victoria Azarenka (BLR) [3]

Men's Singles - Quarterfinals
Novak Djokovic (SRB) [1] vs.Tommy Haas (GER) [12]

Jelena is a surprise semi's in my view, could get toasted at Sharapova's hands, Kirlenko vs Vika could be interesting, Two Maria's can do it.

I would love to see Wawrinka -Nadal match start atleast an hour early, so if miracle happen and Wawrinka upset Rafa I will be fully rooting for Haas, if not I would love to see Nole-Rafa semi's, so either Waw-Haas or Nole-Rafa, no other combination pls.

Tommy Haas got a good 7 odds to win the match, if people buying the hype of underdogs then Tommy's odds are eye catching. Wawrinka gets 10 odds on the other hand, I won't advice this unless somebody is an extreme gambler . Very Happy

Let the theme "Rise of Underdogs" continue, most tennis fans want to see a new champ, let see whether Haas and Warinka has any say in it.


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Post by summerblues Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:56 am

invisiblecoolers wrote:I would love to see Wawrinka -Nadal match start atleast an hour early, so if miracle happen and Wawrinka upset Rafa I will be fully rooting for Haas
Hehe. I share the feeling Smile

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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:58 am

summerblues wrote:
invisiblecoolers wrote:I would love to see Wawrinka -Nadal match start atleast an hour early, so if miracle happen and Wawrinka upset Rafa I will be fully rooting for Haas
Hehe. I share the feeling Smile

My heart wants Wawrinka but my brain knows he has zero chance, but let the heart rule. Very Happy

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:18 am

If Stan could play like he did against Djokovic in Melbourne then he would take atleast a set. Sorry but his only chance of winning is if Rafa pulls out
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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:19 am

Josiah Maiestas wrote:If Stan could play like he did against Djokovic in Melbourne then he would take atleast a set. Sorry but his only chance of winning is if Rafa pulls out
laughing good one.

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Post by Guest Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:22 am

No chance.

Nadal will keep repeating his one trick of spinning the ball high to W's BH until it breaks down.

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Post by hawkeye Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:18 am

emancipator wrote:No chance.

Nadal will keep repeating his one trick of spinning the ball high to W's BH until it breaks down.

Ha ha! Rafa does have other tricks but maybe he's decided that hitting it short and flat to Stans FH won't get the job done. You never know he might decide to demonstrate his variety and then Stan might very well have a chance...

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Post by HM Murdock Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:05 am

A player with a SHBH v Rafa.

A player who is 0-9 in the H2H.

A player who never taken a set off Rafa.

No chance.

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Post by LuvSports! Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:11 am

Nadal does have a lot of variety...

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Post by CaledonianCraig Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:39 am

HM Murdoch wrote:A player with a SHBH v Rafa.

A player who is 0-9 in the H2H.

A player who never taken a set off Rafa.

No chance.

Kind of sums it all up really. I would say that Wawrinka's improvement this year coupled with Rafa still not up to his optimum best may see Stan win his first set against Rafa but I still see Nadal winning comfortably.
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Post by banbrotam Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:15 am

HM Murdoch wrote:A player with a SHBH v Rafa.

A player who is 0-9 in the H2H.

A player who never taken a set off Rafa.

No chance.


I was actually going to be a tad more optimistic. But reality has bitten after reading these stats!!

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Post by lydian Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:37 am

Here's another stat for you:

Rafa vs SHBH (against all the main ones I can think of)
vs Federer 20-10 (clay 13-2)
vs Almagro 10-0 (clay 8-0)
vs Gasquet, 10-0 (clay 6-0)
vs Haas 5-0 (clay 0-0)
vs Youzhny 10-4 (clay 3-0)
vs Wawrinka 9-0 (clay 4-0)
vs Kohlscreiber 9-1 (clay 4-0)
vs Dimitrov 2-0 (clay 1-0)
vs Robredo 6-0 (clay 2-0)
vs Lopez 9-2 (clay 4-0)
vs Llodra 1-0 (clay 1-0)
vs Blake 4-3 (clay 0-0)
vs Gonzalez 7-3 (clay 4-1)
vs Ljubicic 7-2 (clay 4-0)

Summary:
Total Nadal H2H vs SHBH = 109-25 (81%)
Total Nadal H2H vs SHBH on clay = 54-3 (95%) - Gonzalez win was 2003!

Total Nadal H2H vs current SHBH players = 91-17 (84%)
Total Nadal H2H vs current SHBH players on clay = 46-2 (96%) - both losses to Federer (2007, 2009)

So, for Wawrinka to win today it would be only the 3rd time Nadal has lost to a SHBH on clay since his full tour years of 2004 onwards.
It would be the only time he has lost to a SHBH not called Federer.
It would be the first time he has lost to a SHBH on clay since 2009 Shocked

That's the size of Wawrinka's task today.


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Post by The Special Juan Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:40 am

Sharapova v Jankovic - Beauty and the beast. (Sorry JJ, it had to be done!!)

I think I've used this cliche in every single big match over the past two years, but Stan really needs a quick start and the first set. If he doesn't get it, it could get very ugly. Allez Stan!

(P.S: Anyone who uses Chrome, please Google "Weather in Paris" and laugh at their forecast for the next few days.)
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Post by bogbrush Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:24 pm

Isn't Kirilenko just dinky?
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Post by lydian Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:26 pm

She's very slight although 5'9 tall.
Not unattractive either...
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Post by HM Murdock Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:28 pm

lydian wrote:She's very slight although 5'9 tall.
Not unattractive either...
I think the expression is "scorchingly hot"...!

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Post by The Special Juan Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:35 pm

Sharapova and Jankovic hate each other!! This is great viewing.
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Post by ryan86 Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:36 pm

Jankovic 5-0 up on Sharapova.

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Post by LuvSports! Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:41 pm

as prince charles said, "she puts the lead in my pencil!"

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Post by The Special Juan Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:41 pm

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sharapova's probably going to win this still but being bagelled in a QF as the world number 2 is pretty hilarious.
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Post by bogbrush Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:48 pm

HM Murdoch wrote:
lydian wrote:She's very slight although 5'9 tall.
Not unattractive either...
I think the expression is "scorchingly hot"...!
She's a solid '10'
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Post by bogbrush Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:49 pm

The Special Juan wrote:YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sharapova's probably going to win this still but being bagelled in a QF as the world number 2 is pretty hilarious.
Anyone but Jankovic, please. Ultimate pusher.
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Post by barrystar Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:03 pm

bogbrush wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sharapova's probably going to win this still but being bagelled in a QF as the world number 2 is pretty hilarious.
Anyone but Jankovic, please. Ultimate pusher.

Not so, that's Tulisa Contostavlos (allegedly)
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Post by mthierry Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:05 pm

1st comment in a year and all that's worth posting is that Kirilenko is the most gorgeous woman in tennis. That's all.

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Post by lydian Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:12 pm

Barry - that's a craaaaacker Laugh

I agree Kiri is very pleasing on the eye. I'm still sold on Gorgeous Goerges though, haven't got mental space for another right now, lol. I think BB is still Ana'ed out too Laugh
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Post by _homogenised_ Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:14 pm

Chances got to be way less than 1 in 10. But Djokovic will probably hammer him.

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Post by bogbrush Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:15 pm

lydian wrote:Barry - that's a craaaaacker Laugh

I agree Kiri is very pleasing on the eye. I'm still sold on Gorgeous Goerges though, haven't got mental space for another right now, lol. I think BB is still Ana'ed out too Laugh
Ahhh, Ana. But in my vivid imagination there's room for dinky Maria too. In my younger days perhaps it wouldn't have required quite so much imagination.................
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Post by bogbrush Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:20 pm

Gotta give it to Sharapova, that girls is determined.
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Post by lydian Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:36 pm

Lol, the male imagination has that ability to go Utah-ian Wink
As the 80s song by Belouis Some went..."Imagination, could make a man of you".

Yep, if Dimitrov can gain some of her mental fortitude he'll go far.
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Post by The Special Juan Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:38 pm

Pffff I'm putting it off.
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Post by _homogenised_ Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:38 pm

he's already on his way to being broken. Give it up Wawrinkle.


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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:38 pm

3 break points for Nadal to start with

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Post by _homogenised_ Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:42 pm

What were the bookie odds for a Nadal victory? 1/100?

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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:47 pm

Wawrinka settle down a bit for 1-2, and Tommy Haas is playing high level so far for 3-3.

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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:52 pm

Wawrinka decides to moonball from his backhand to Nadal's backhand picard but its working thou.

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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:56 pm

_homogenised_ wrote:What were the bookie odds for a Nadal victory? 1/100?

1/200 Very Happy

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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:57 pm

bogbrush wrote:Gotta give it to Sharapova, that girls is determined.

Azarenka will be the actual test, Jelena is good not a killer like Azarenka, Maria will face an opponent like her th next time. thumbsup

Two set points for Djoko.

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Post by lydian Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:59 pm

This is straight and Haas is going to the bakery in set 3... Sad
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Post by lydian Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:00 pm

invisiblecoolers wrote:Wawrinka decides to moonball from his backhand to Nadal's backhand picard but its working thou.
You reckon? Stan is struggling to win points out there, Nadal has him on a piece of string.
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Post by lydian Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:03 pm

That's the double break...and probably set 1. Stan wont have the legs for 4 sets of this, its completely different to playing Gasquet, Nadal is giving him no time, running him left and right.
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Post by banbrotam Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:06 pm

Answer to original article

No.

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Post by lydian Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:09 pm

Stan breaks a racquet as Nadal tortures him in around the court. At least it shows Stan's up for this.
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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:17 pm

So easy 1st set and match so far for the favorites

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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:18 pm

lydian wrote:
invisiblecoolers wrote:Wawrinka decides to moonball from his backhand to Nadal's backhand picard but its working thou.
You reckon? Stan is struggling to win points out there, Nadal has him on a piece of string.

Wawrinka gonna struggle for sure, but he is trying something different, I have never seen him moonballing that much, and he stopped moon balling now, may be he is not comfortable with it.

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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:20 pm

banbrotam wrote:Answer to original article

No.

Good , st. forward answer thumbsup

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Post by invisiblecoolers Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:29 pm

I am bored, bored big time.

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Post by _homogenised_ Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:31 pm

Nadal struggles with big hitters and taller players more... he does not struggle with 1 handed back hands with today's power conditions. Paire might have given him a good test. Nadal has had a very lucky draw imho but if he meets Djokovic that will end. Very Happy

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Post by bogbrush Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:34 pm

invisiblecoolers wrote:
lydian wrote:
invisiblecoolers wrote:Wawrinka decides to moonball from his backhand to Nadal's backhand picard but its working thou.
You reckon? Stan is struggling to win points out there, Nadal has him on a piece of string.

Wawrinka gonna struggle for sure, but he is trying something different, I have never seen him moonballing that much, and he stopped moon balling now, may be he is not comfortable with it.
Real players don't moonball.
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Post by bogbrush Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:39 pm

Tommy doing well 2nd set.

Y'know, 10 years younger and he could be really doing the business against Djokovic.

He can't return though. Remember when he got the 1st set off Federer in 2009 having not won a point on return up to the tie break?


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Post by break_in_the_fifth Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:40 pm

Wawrinka not living up to expectations?

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