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Post by GSC Wed 19 Jun 2013, 1:36 pm

First topic message reminder :

Jimmy ends up with 2 wickets for his troubles and Broad leads England with 3.

Its a funny game.
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Post by Scrumpy Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:32 pm

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:33 pm

No he misses! India win by 5 runs!

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Post by JDizzle Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:33 pm

Well played India. Best team throughout the tournament. Deserved.

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Post by msp83 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:33 pm

Terrific win for India!.

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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:34 pm

Well played India. England threw it away at the end
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Post by kingraf Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:34 pm

So... are England chokers? Mike Gattings Reverse sweep, Then the meltdown vs West Indies, and now...
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:35 pm

Had it in the bag, but threw it away. Well done to India, but England lost that more than they won it.

Jos Buttler's place must surely be gone now. Awful tournament with the bat
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:36 pm

Its we Indians the World Champions.
India beat England by 5 runs. Superb heart taking game and at last the dominant team dominates the world. England well in the race of SA to be called as Chokers. 5 finals and lost all. Congrats India!!!!Congrats Indians.
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:36 pm

yeah they did today.  I think they have terrible problems with their batting at the moment.

Bops and Mogs just gave it away really and once they did.. game over, pack of cards again.

so frustrating.

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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:37 pm

Way it goes sometimes. Ah well, onwards on the Ashes.
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:37 pm

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:Its we Indians the World Champions.
India beat England by 5 runs. Superb heart taking game and at last the dominant team dominates the world. England well in the race of SA to be called as Chokers. 5 finals and lost all. Congrats India!!!!Congrats Indians.

that's hardly gracious is it.

Very well done to India.  Best team won.


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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:38 pm

GSC wrote:Way it goes sometimes. Ah well, onwards on the Ashes.

bit worried about that.  the batting is wobbly as hell right now.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:38 pm

Slightly annoyed we didn't get a 50 over game in, but them's the breaks.

Well done India, 5 wins out of 5 for them in this tournament. clap

I have to say though, England threw that away. 20 needed from 16 at want I believe with 6 wickets left. You cannot lose a game from there at this level. 

Positives for England from this tournament? Got very far with no KP, the team looks more settled, Tredders is class, and there's no better way to build a future winning mentality than a damaging and heartbreaking defeat.

Now that's the warm-up act of the summer out of the way - on to the Ashes!

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Post by KP_fan Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:39 pm

Bolwers lost England the game...in seam friendly conditions.....five down...they allowed India's  Nos 7 , 8 and 9 score about 11 runs consistenly in the last 5 overs.

Bresnan looked like a Frozen Rabbit with the bat in his hand...... and gets selected ahead of Finn for his batting skills Shocked
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:39 pm

Buttler scored 0, 1, 14, 6 and 0 this tournament.

That's worse than abysmal.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:40 pm

Dropping Finn was proven to be idiotic again.

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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:41 pm

Its alright to be disappointed. Always tough losing a tight game, never mind in a final. Congrats to India, they held their nerves

Time to pick ourselves up for the real main event of the summer when the Aussies come to town.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:42 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:
subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:Its we Indians the World Champions.
India beat England by 5 runs. Superb heart taking game and at last the dominant team dominates the world. England well in the race of SA to be called as Chokers. 5 finals and lost all. Congrats India!!!!Congrats Indians.

that's hardly gracious is it.

Dominant in this form yes.  In tests, well not yet no.

Well trebel I suggest you to live in present. Hiding defeat will change the senario. And regarding test we accept England as one of the greatest side. Regarding India they will come up with good games in future and will show their supermacy in test also.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:43 pm

Good point about KP Duty. Good to see him back in the runs today as well.

Not to be this time, just onto smashing the Aussies into the ground now
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Post by Gerry SA Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:44 pm

Congrats India. 

Holders of the ICC 50 over World Cup, holders of the ICC Champions Trophy and the ODI number 1 ranked side. 

The triple crown, the only other side to do that? Ricky Ponting's all conquering Australians. Elite company.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:45 pm

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:Its we Indians the World Champions.
India beat England by 5 runs. Superb heart taking game and at last the dominant team dominates the world. England well in the race of SA to be called as Chokers. 5 finals and lost all. Congrats India!!!!Congrats Indians.

that's hardly gracious is it.

Dominant in this form yes.  In tests, well not yet no.

Well  trebel I suggest you to live in present. Hiding defeat will change the senario. And regarding test we accept England as one of the greatest side. Regarding India they will come up with good games in future and will show their supermacy in test also.

He is in the present isn't he? 4-0, 2-1 in Tests.

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Post by Gerry SA Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:47 pm

Duty281 wrote:
subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:Its we Indians the World Champions.
India beat England by 5 runs. Superb heart taking game and at last the dominant team dominates the world. England well in the race of SA to be called as Chokers. 5 finals and lost all. Congrats India!!!!Congrats Indians.

that's hardly gracious is it.

Dominant in this form yes.  In tests, well not yet no.

Well  trebel I suggest you to live in present. Hiding defeat will change the senario. And regarding test we accept England as one of the greatest side. Regarding India they will come up with good games in future and will show their supermacy in test also.

He is in the present isn't he? 4-0, 2-1 in Tests.
I'm not sure what two Test series results have to do with India's ICC Trophy victory...

England aren't a dominating side. 

If you think they are, you are deluded.

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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:47 pm

Leave it guys.
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:48 pm

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:Its we Indians the World Champions.
India beat England by 5 runs. Superb heart taking game and at last the dominant team dominates the world. England well in the race of SA to be called as Chokers. 5 finals and lost all. Congrats India!!!!Congrats Indians.

that's hardly gracious is it.

Dominant in this form yes.  In tests, well not yet no.

Well  trebel I suggest you to live in present. Hiding defeat will change the senario. And regarding test we accept England as one of the greatest side. Regarding India they will come up with good games in future and will show their supermacy in test also.

yeah I am.

I also prefer to be humble when we win. throwing "chokers" labels after you beat somebody is out of order and does you no favours.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:49 pm

Gerry SA wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:Its we Indians the World Champions.
India beat England by 5 runs. Superb heart taking game and at last the dominant team dominates the world. England well in the race of SA to be called as Chokers. 5 finals and lost all. Congrats India!!!!Congrats Indians.

that's hardly gracious is it.

Dominant in this form yes.  In tests, well not yet no.

Well  trebel I suggest you to live in present. Hiding defeat will change the senario. And regarding test we accept England as one of the greatest side. Regarding India they will come up with good games in future and will show their supermacy in test also.

He is in the present isn't he? 4-0, 2-1 in Tests.
I'm not sure what two Test series results have to do with India's ICC Trophy victory...

England aren't a dominating side. 

If you think they are, you are deluded.

Trebbs said India aren't dominant in Tests. Kumar said he should live in the present. The present is 4-0, 2-1 in Tests.

I never said England were dominant. Headscratch

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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:51 pm

Guys just stop it. Not worth it.
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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:54 pm

And one more thank you must go to the ICC, who extended the playing time today to 20:30. Without that, there would have been no game. clap

(Then again, they could of given us a bloody reserve day!)

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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:56 pm

It is what it is. We just didn't finish the job and choked. Not worth getting up in arms about, nor is it for others to celebrate Englands failings over Indias success.
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Post by kingraf Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:57 pm

Dhoni's got to be in the running for greatest Limited Overs capitan in history.
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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:58 pm

Indeed he does. Got the full collection of trophies now.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 8:59 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:Its we Indians the World Champions.
India beat England by 5 runs. Superb heart taking game and at last the dominant team dominates the world. England well in the race of SA to be called as Chokers. 5 finals and lost all. Congrats India!!!!Congrats Indians.

that's hardly gracious is it.

Dominant in this form yes.  In tests, well not yet no.

Well  trebel I suggest you to live in present. Hiding defeat will change the senario. And regarding test we accept England as one of the greatest side. Regarding India they will come up with good games in future and will show their supermacy in test also.

He is in the present isn't he? 4-0, 2-1 in Tests.
I'm not sure what two Test series results have to do with India's ICC Trophy victory...

England aren't a dominating side. 

If you think they are, you are deluded.

Trebbs said India aren't dominant in Tests. Kumar said he should live in the present. The present is 4-0, 2-1 in Tests.

I never said England were dominant. Headscratch

India lagg behind in test and it is true. We lost the two test series against the World's best test team. The present is the ICC Champions Trophy. If we had a different result today no body would like to move to any previous test or one day series. This is a one day tournament and the talks of previous test series after the result here is ridicolous. India won and they dominated the tournament.
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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:02 pm

Particularly like the summary on Cricinfo:

"You can look back on many close moments in this game: Bresnan's dive on the boundary that was given four, Trott's drop catch off Kohli, the Bell stumping. So often, 20-over games come down to those slim moments. And what about those four overthrows early in India's innings?"

Very true that.

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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:06 pm

Eh, these rain shortened games are lottery enough.
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:07 pm

Duty281 wrote:Particularly like the summary on Cricinfo:

"You can look back on many close moments in this game: Bresnan's dive on the boundary that was given four, Trott's drop catch off Kohli, the Bell stumping. So often, 20-over games come down to those slim moments. And what about those four overthrows early in India's innings?"

Very true that.
Spot on.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:09 pm

Think we all have to swallow a bit of humble pie and say well done to Ravi Bopara. Had a brilliant tournament with bat and ball.
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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:10 pm

I don't. I always liked Ravi. Champions Trophy - England and Wales 2013 - Page 13 3559488474
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:10 pm

GSC wrote:Guys just stop it. Not worth it.

No more from me...
Atlast both team played a really good cricket. Playing 20 over game under the rules of 50 over is really difficult and both team showed the real spirit. A bit unfortunate for the England side. It was a close game and any body could have won. Good luck to Team England for the upcoming ashes and I hope they will win and erase this memory.
Congrats Indian team, Your victory really encouraged people back in India who have suffered from the nature's attack.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:11 pm

GSC wrote:Guys just stop it. Not worth it.

No more from me...
Atlast both team played a really good cricket. Playing 20 over game under the rules of 50 over is really difficult and both team showed the real spirit. A bit unfortunate for the England side. It was a close game and any body could have won. Good luck to Team England for the upcoming ashes and I hope they will win and erase this memory.
Congrats Indian team, Your victory really encouraged people back in India who have suffered from the nature's attack.
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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:11 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Particularly like the summary on Cricinfo:

"You can look back on many close moments in this game: Bresnan's dive on the boundary that was given four, Trott's drop catch off Kohli, the Bell stumping. So often, 20-over games come down to those slim moments. And what about those four overthrows early in India's innings?"

Very true that.
Spot on.

Grrr. It's reminded me of Bell's stumping. How was that out?!!

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:13 pm

Olly wrote:Think we all have to swallow a bit of humble pie and say well done to Ravi Bopara. Had a brilliant tournament with bat and ball.

Well done Ravi. clap

Averaged 59 with the bat at a SR of 137.20.
Averaged 22 with the ball.

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Post by KP_fan Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:15 pm

Duty281 wrote:Particularly like the summary on Cricinfo:

"You can look back on many close moments in this game: Bresnan's dive on the boundary that was given four, Trott's drop catch off Kohli, the Bell stumping. So often, 20-over games come down to those slim moments. And what about those four overthrows early in India's innings?"

Very true that.
 
 
Yeah...add to that 10 times India had to go off never giving them the momentum.
 
it's not about the iffffs and butttts...nor the borderlines that you cannot control......but the concious decisions made.
 
and the one that should rankle England most........is leaving Finn out...for that "allrounder" Bresnan....by far the most expensive bowler today.
It's picking lesser bolwer for their perceived batting strnegth that has hurt England innumerable times


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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:15 pm

Lastly well done to India, who have been the best team throughout. Certainly this team looks to have a bit more bowling about it, and looked interested in the field for the first time in a while
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:16 pm

We were wondering that India will take on your fifth bowler but eventually he only turned the tables for India. Still as duty said there were moments where luck didn't favoured England and the most important was Bell's wicket.
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Post by Marcus Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:18 pm

Well played India.

Batsmen let down the bowlers yet again. Negative tactics with the bat again, over-reliance on the middle order again, too much left to do at the end again. England have been very lucky to get to the final, given their ineptitude at ODI cricket under Giles.

Wheelie bin out, and take Bell, Buttler & Bresnan with you.

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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:20 pm

Over reliance on a middle order that never did anything?
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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:20 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Particularly like the summary on Cricinfo:

"You can look back on many close moments in this game: Bresnan's dive on the boundary that was given four, Trott's drop catch off Kohli, the Bell stumping. So often, 20-over games come down to those slim moments. And what about those four overthrows early in India's innings?"

Very true that.
 
 
Yeah...add to that 10 times India had to go off never giving them the momentum.
 
it's not about the iffffs and butttts...nor the borderlines that you cannot control......but the concious decisions made.
 
and the one that should rankle England most........is leaving Finn out...for that "allrounder" Bresnan....by far the most expensive bowler today.
It's picking lesser bolwer for their perceived batting strnegth that has hurt England innumerable times

Forgive me, but didn't England have to go off as well?

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:21 pm

Marcus wrote:
Wheelie bin out, and take Bell, Buttler & Bresnan with you.

That's a succinct remedy for the situation... Laugh

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:22 pm

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England are a good side without @KP24 - and a great side with him. In all forms of cricket. Simple as that.

Not often I agree with Mr Morgan, but I think he's spot on there.
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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:25 pm

5 reasons that my fellow Englishmen can be chirpy:

1) KP's hitting his way back into form.
2) The Ashes are around the corner.
3) The England U20 Rugby Team have become world champions today.
4) Wimbledon starts tomorrow.
5) The Lions won yesterday.

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Post by KP_fan Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:27 pm

@Olly.....the batsmen are the ones known to be adversely affected by the on-off breaks......Eng didn't have to go off during their batting inning.
 
on a general note.......I find Eng have constantly amazed me with their team sleections  for limited over games.
 
Butler and before that that tall stiff perceived big hitter failure of a WK who often opened the batting and whose name eludes me...
 
Limited over cricket requires simply picking your best players.....and who better a WK batsman then Matt Prior
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