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Post by twelve283 Mon 09 May 2011, 3:45 pm

First topic message reminder :

List of underclassmen who have declared for the 2012 NFL Draft:

QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
QB Brock Osweiler, AZ State
QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor
QB Darron Thomas, Oregon
RB Trent Richardson, Alabama
RB Lamar Miller, Miami
RB LaMichael James, Oregon
RB Robert Turbin, Utah State
RB Ronnie Hillman, SD State
RB Bernard Pierce, Temple
RB David Wilson, VT
RB Mike Ball, Nevada
RB Chris Polk, Washington
RB Darrell Scott, USF
RB Edwin Baker, Michigan State
RB Alvester Alexander, Wyoming
RB Jewel Hampton, Southern Illinois
WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
WR Tommy Streeter, Miami *
WR Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina
WR Chris Givens, Wake Forrest
WR Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech
WR Mohamed Sanu, Rutgers
WR Rueben Randle, LSU
WR Eric Page, Toledo
WR Damaris Johnson, Tulsa
TE Dwayne Allen, Clemson
TE Orson Charles, Georgia
OL Matt Kalil, USC
OL David DeCastro, Stanford
OL Brandon Washington, Miami
OL Riley Reiff, Iowa
OL Peter Konz, Wisconsin
OL Jonathan Martin, Stanford
OL Bobby Massie, Ole Miss
DT Marcus Forston, Miami *
DT Dontari Poe, Memphis
DT Jarel Worthy, Michigan State
DT Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State
DT Michael Brockers, LSU
DE Nick Perry, USC *
DE Oliver Vernon, Miami
DE Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
DE Chandler Jones, Syracuse
DE Donte Page-Moss, UNC
DE Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma
DE Max Holloway, Boston College
DE Jonathan Massaquoi, Troy
LB Donta Hightower, Alabama
LB Vontaze Burfict, AZ State
LB Luke Kuelchy, Boston College
LB Terrell Manning, North Carolina State
CB Morris Claiborne, LSU
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
CB Jayron Hosley, Virginia Tech
CB Cliff Harris, Oregon *
CB Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina
CB Josh Robinson, UCF

Very early look at the 2012 draft prospects plus some youtube videos to wet your appetite.

Senior quarterbacks to keep an eye on include:

Nick Foles, Arizona, 6’5, 245lbs
Ryan Lindley, San Diego State, 6’4, 218lbs
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State, 6’3, 205lbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3rsj3fjoOQ
Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M, 6’4, 220lbs
Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State, 6’6, 235lbs
John Brantley, Florida, 6’3, 220lbs

Top underclassmen:

Andrew Luck, Stanford, 6’4, 235lbs
Landry Jones, Oklahoma, 6’4, 220lbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8FpwaR-GUo
Matt Barkley, USC, 6’2, 220lbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdo1OyqiPc

If the top underclassmen all declare (chances are they wont) then the quarterback class looks pretty well stocked but even without them there is some depth to the class.



Michael Floyd, Notre Dame, 6’3, 228lbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyfcBD_fZjU
Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M, 6’3, 215lbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJ4FcW8Nug
Juron Criner, Arizona, 6’4, 210lbs
Greg Childs, Arkansas, 6’3, 217lbs

Top underclassmen:

Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina, 6’4, 232lbs
Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State, 6’1, 208lbs
Mohamed Sanu, Rutgers, 6’2, 218lbs

Much deeper class in 2012 than this year as beyond AJ Green and Julio Jones there weren’t many big guys who could run. Next year’s class however has a number of such types as well as others I haven’t mentioned.


Big year for offensive tackles?

Mike Adams, Ohio State, 6’8, 305lbs
Al Netter, Northwestern, 6’6, 310lbs
Nate Potter, Boise State, 6’6, 295lbs
Matt Reynolds, Bringham Young, 6’6, 322lbs
Andrew Datko, FSU, 6’6, 305lbs

Top underclassmen:

Matt Kalil, USC, 6’6, 295lbs
Jonathan Martin, Stanford, 6’6, 305lbs
Riley Reiff, Iowa, 6’6, 300lbs

There should be some good options for teams looking to improve their protection at the OT position even without the top underclassmen. There will probably be better depth in 2012 than there was this year as well.


LB has the potential to be the class of the draft, provided some of the top underclassmen declare:

Courtney Upshaw, Alabama, 6’2, 260lbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6DGTN-_qxU
Chris Galippo, Southern California, 6’2, 250lbs
Brandon Lindsey, Pittsburgh, 6’2, 250lbs
Tank Carder, TCU, 6'3, 237lbs

Top underclassmen:

Vontaze Burfict, Arizona State, 6’3, 245lbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxQEkLHo0F4
Donta Hightower, Alabama, 6’4, 258lbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyeXZTTcz8E
Shayne Skov, Stanford, 6’3, 243lbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieo_ansbJmA
Manti Te’o, Notre Dame, 6’2, 245lbs
Luke Kuechly, BC, 6’2, 235lbs

I have included these prospects in particular because they are versatile and are moved around the defense regularly, particularly Upshaw, Hightower and Lindsey who are used at ILB, OLB and DE.


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Post by Derbyblue Sat 18 Feb 2012, 11:31 pm

To/from Matt Miller
@nfldraftscout You have Alshon Jeffery ranked as the top WR, but everyone's worried about his 40 should he go in the 1st?
@606v2AF Alshon ran same 40 time as Justin Blackmon last year
@nfldraftscout If he runs the same as Blackmon should Jeffery go higher?
@606v2AF I think so. Look at 2010 with good QB play and Jeffery was one of top WRs in the country

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Post by Colan (niner) Sun 19 Feb 2012, 3:01 pm

This is my first 49ers Mock Draft, take a look and see if you think my valuation of the players are right

http://worldsport35.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/niners-2012-mock-draft/

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Post by TheBrownTown Sun 19 Feb 2012, 4:23 pm

niner wrote:This is my first 49ers Mock Draft, take a look and see if you think my valuation of the players are right

http://worldsport35.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/niners-2012-mock-draft/

Seems pretty good, I don't think Shea McClellin will be available in the 5th round though

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Post by Colan (niner) Sun 19 Feb 2012, 4:33 pm

Yeah, my thought there was that he doesnt seem like the type of guy who will do great at the combine, I have him as a 3rd rounder but with a poor showing in indie, I think he could drop, if not I'd take someone like terrell manning in the 5th

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Post by twelve283 Sun 19 Feb 2012, 4:50 pm

niner wrote:This is my first 49ers Mock Draft, take a look and see if you think my valuation of the players are right

http://worldsport35.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/niners-2012-mock-draft/
Coby Fleener is one of my favourite prospects in the draft. He’s more of a move TE at this point than an in line type but he’s got the frame at 6’6, 245lbs to develop into an in line blocker down the road. He’s got good acceleration down the field, he’ll run the seam routes all day long, and athleticism (he used to play WR and is a former basketball player). ~#41 seems about right IMO, he might put up better numbers than expected at the Combine.

Stephen Hill has the potential to be a late riser, if he runs well in the 40. Because of the offense GT runs you don’t get to see Hill doing a great variety of things in the passing game, #72 seems about right for me but some teams might like him earlier than that.

The only one who really stands out in terms of value is Shea McClellin in the 5th, I think he’ll be long gone by that point.

Grabbing Janzen Jackson with a 6th could turn out to be a good bit of business.

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Post by Colan (niner) Sun 19 Feb 2012, 5:15 pm

I think Stephen hill is pretty good, he averaged 30 yards/rec last year and has the 6ft 5 frame and 4.4 speed that is rare. I also considered Brian Quick but I felt as though it was a round too soon. I really like Fleener too, some people think the giants or packers will grab him in the 1st but Dwayne Allen is just as likely to go there. Janzen Jackson will be a value pick from a physical standpoint anywhere after the 2nd round but I think the 6th is where he should go. I agree that McClellin is more likely to go earlier but guys like manning could be good 3-4 olb's instead. Some might say the irvin pick is a reach but I think he will do great at the combine and that will push him up draft boards. Josh Robinson isn't a great need if rogers resigns but he is one of my favourite lesser known players

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Post by Colan (niner) Mon 20 Feb 2012, 4:16 pm

My 32 team 1st round Mock draft

http://worldsport35.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/2012-nfl-1st-round-mock-draft-all-32-teams/

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Post by TheBrownTown Mon 20 Feb 2012, 5:48 pm

niner wrote:My 32 team 1st round Mock draft

http://worldsport35.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/2012-nfl-1st-round-mock-draft-all-32-teams/

Nice mock but I'll nitpick anyway. Michael Brockers will never fall that far, he may even go top ten. The Bengals taking Dennard there is a reach, he's not that good. Also I doubt Trent Richardson falls that far, if he falls out of the top ten I reckon a team would trade up to take him. I also doubt Burfict will be a 1st rounder or Kuechly will fall that far. I like the pick for my Broncos though and the top ten looks good.

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Post by Colan (niner) Mon 20 Feb 2012, 6:20 pm

I was going to give brockers to carolina and keuchly to the eagles but changed my mind, If I do an update that'll most likely be where they go. Trent shouldn't fall that far but he could and I don't know if teams think trading up for a RB is worth it as much nowadays, i never understood the ingram deal last year. I'm surprised you like the Broncos pick, I like Gilmore a lot but some don't rate him very highly.

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Post by TheBrownTown Mon 20 Feb 2012, 6:24 pm

I like Gilmore because he fits our need better than Dennard or Jenkins because he's taller. We don't need a nickel corner we need a potential number 2 and I think Gilmore has talent.

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Post by Colan (niner) Mon 20 Feb 2012, 7:21 pm

He is a nasty tackler too

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Post by Derbyblue Mon 20 Feb 2012, 8:34 pm

niner wrote:My 32 team 1st round Mock draft

http://worldsport35.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/2012-nfl-1st-round-mock-draft-all-32-teams/
Only had a quick look as I'm watching the footy, but both firsts for the Rams pick would be very unhappy if that's what the Browns give up.

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Post by Colan (niner) Mon 20 Feb 2012, 8:54 pm

I know that you may not want to give up 2 1st's but its worth it it the long run. If you don't move up, i'd assume an ideal draft would be to get blackmon and miller in the 1st round I don't think adding them will matter at all if McCoy is under center. If you stick with him, I think the playoffs will be years off for you

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Post by Derbyblue Mon 20 Feb 2012, 9:22 pm

niner wrote:I know that you may not want to give up 2 1st's but its worth it it the long run. If you don't move up, i'd assume an ideal draft would be to get blackmon and miller in the 1st round I don't think adding them will matter at all if McCoy is under center. If you stick with him, I think the playoffs will be years off for you
But pay less and trade with the Vikings, they'll be happy to drop just one place get the same player they would have done at 3 and get an extra pick or two. Don't see the Rams taking him with Bradford only being taken 2 years ago.

A few other things I'm not sure I see Miller going just one pick after Richardson, and think they may expect him to be there for their second pick. It's hard to say Floyd and Jeffery are too high as we haven't seen how fast they fun in the 40 which will have an impact on both especially Jeffery, but at the moment I don't think I can see them going 9th and 18th, though I do like Floyd and haven't seen much of Jeffery I just think it could be a little high. Didn't seen much of the Rams this year so can't criticise adding to the D-line but think adding to the O-line could be one of their high priorities, after getting Bradford a new target.

Do you have twitter? If not I can tweet it to some "experts" and see if they say anything about it?

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Post by Colan (niner) Mon 20 Feb 2012, 9:33 pm

Im going to get it soon, had one before but didn't use it so deleted it, It isn't likely jeffery will go that high but if he can somehow run between a 4.45 and 4.55, he could

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Post by Colan (niner) Mon 20 Feb 2012, 9:40 pm

Just created another twitter, add clamontsport if you want

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Post by Derbyblue Mon 20 Feb 2012, 9:47 pm

niner wrote:This is my first 49ers Mock Draft, take a look and see if you think my valuation of the players are right

http://worldsport35.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/niners-2012-mock-draft/
Like the Stephen Hill pick, something you missed though is that thanks to coming out of Georgia Tech he is a willing blocker too. Mayock has Amini Silatolu as one of his O-linemen to look out for.

Can't seem to find you on twitter, but if you follow @606v2AF we will follow you back. OK


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Post by Colan (niner) Mon 20 Feb 2012, 9:49 pm

Yeah the triple option is the reason he managed 30 yards per reception, he barely had any ,it must be really frustrating to be a good receiver in that offense

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Post by Colan (niner) Mon 20 Feb 2012, 9:53 pm

just added you, you think you could get some guys to rt my mock

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Post by twelve283 Thu 23 Feb 2012, 8:21 pm

NFL Combine News

Thursday 23rd Feb
Measurements
Group 1 (PK, ST, OL), Group 2 (OL), Group 3 (TE)

Here are some of the OL measurements which are starting to filter through on twitter,

David DeCastro, 6’5(6047), 316lbs
Kevin Zeitler, 6’4(6037), 314lbs
Riley Reiff, 6’6(6056), 313lbs
Jonathan Martin, 6’5(6053), 312lbs
Peter Konz, 6’5(6050), 314lbs

DeCsatro had 32 3/4 inch arms and 10 inch hands, only one I could find with arm and hand measurements.

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Post by Colan (niner) Thu 23 Feb 2012, 8:50 pm

At that size, it may be true that DeCastro is being viewed as a potential RT

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Post by twelve283 Thu 23 Feb 2012, 9:54 pm

niner wrote:At that size, it may be true that DeCastro is being viewed as a potential RT
Where did you hear/read that? His arms are a touch on the short side for OT, maybe in a pinch.

Some TE measurements

Orson Charles, 6'2(6024), 251lbs < shorter than listed but more lbs
Coby Fleener, 6'6(6060), 247lbs
Dwayne Allen, 6'3(6031), 255lbs
Ladarius Green, 6'6(6056), 238lbs

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Post by Derbyblue Thu 23 Feb 2012, 10:59 pm

twelve283 wrote:Some TE measurements

Orson Charles, 6'2(6024), 251lbs < shorter than listed but more lbs
Coby Fleener, 6'6(6060), 247lbs
Dwayne Allen, 6'3(6031), 255lbs
Ladarius Green, 6'6(6056), 238lbs
Not seen anything of Green, but Fleener and Allen could be 1st rounders given how the Tight Ends are being used in the best offenses, my prediction for Charles is early 3rd.

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Post by Colan (niner) Thu 23 Feb 2012, 11:30 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/02/22/2012.scouting.combine.preview/index.html

Saw it here twelve

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Post by twelve283 Fri 24 Feb 2012, 12:00 am

niner wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/02/22/2012.scouting.combine.preview/index.html

Saw it here twelve
Cheers, must have missed that. I think his arms are a bit on the short side, personally I would keep him where he is but having the versatility to play OT in a bind is never a bad thing.

Derbyblue wrote:Not seen anything of Green, but Fleener and Allen could be 1st rounders given how the Tight Ends are being used in the best offenses, my prediction for Charles is early 3rd.
Charles is being tipped to put in a good performance at the Combine, could potentially be the 1st TE off the board. Was listed at only 240lbs suggesting move TE in the pros but he demonstrated some ability to be an in line guy at Georgia, the fact that he's now 250lbs is worth noting. According to Wes Bunting Charles has compared his talents to Aaron Hernandez and also made a point of saying he's not just a flex TE and that he likes to block.

Some other interesting measurements:

Cordy Glenn, 6'5, 345lbs, 35 3/4 arms < there is a OL projected to guard who could potentially play some OT.
Matt Kalil, 6'6, 306lbs, 34 1/2 arms < added ~10lbs, arms are fine
Matt McCants, 6'6, 308lbs, 35 3/8 arms < good frame
Riley Reiff, 6'6, 313lbs, 33 1/4 arms < shorter than ideal arms for OT
Kelechi Osemele, 6'6, 333lbs, 35 7/8 arms < looks the part, just doesn't play like it ???

Haven't had a proper look yet but all the measurements are up at NFL Draft Bilble among other draft sites.

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Post by Derbyblue Fri 24 Feb 2012, 12:14 am

twelve283 wrote:
Derbyblue wrote:Not seen anything of Green, but Fleener and Allen could be 1st rounders given how the Tight Ends are being used in the best offenses, my prediction for Charles is early 3rd.
Charles is being tipped to put in a good performance at the Combine, could potentially be the 1st TE off the board. Was listed at only 240lbs suggesting move TE in the pros but he demonstrated some ability to be an in line guy at Georgia, the fact that he's now 250lbs is worth noting. According to Wes Bunting Charles has compared his talents to Aaron Hernandez and also made a point of saying he's not just a flex TE and that he likes to block.
What are people saying about Green? Matt Miller has him in the fourth and Allen, Charles and Fleener all being gone before the start of the 3rd, is it really that big of a gap between the top three and the rest before they've had a chance at the combine? Personally hadn't really seen that in the few Georgia games I've caught bits of (though I will admit I've not seen a lot) but I did see his speed and think that will catch peoples attention.

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Post by twelve283 Fri 24 Feb 2012, 12:41 am

Derbyblue wrote:What are people saying about Green? Matt Miller has him in the fourth and Allen, Charles and Fleener all being gone before the start of the 3rd, is it really that big of a gap between the top three and the rest before they've had a chance at the combine?
Green's Combine weigh in was 6'6, 238lbs, he had the longest arms at 34 1/2 (not surprising he's very long and lanky). He also had the biggest hands of all the TEs along with David Paulson. At 238lbs he's purely a move TE/HB. He didn't often line up as an on the line TE, mostly working out of the slot and backfield. Just a big WR really. I would say there is a significant gap between him and the other three you mentioned.

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Post by mikeygnfl Fri 24 Feb 2012, 3:10 pm

I wonder if there is any possibility that the Colts keep Manning and draft Blackmon?
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Post by Colan (niner) Fri 24 Feb 2012, 3:47 pm

not likely but they would have to trade down for that

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Post by TheBrownTown Fri 24 Feb 2012, 3:54 pm

Niner's new mock has inspired me to make my own, so here's my mock draft 1.0:

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/user_mock_drafts.cfm?mock_id=10250

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Post by Colan (niner) Fri 24 Feb 2012, 3:59 pm

good draft, I wouldnt have branch in the 1st though and Barron may be a little high after missing the combine. I like the niners pick and the vikes pick but not so hot on konz to the titans

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Post by TheBrownTown Fri 24 Feb 2012, 4:04 pm

niner wrote:good draft, I wouldnt have branch in the 1st though and Barron may be a little high after missing the combine. I like the niners pick and the vikes pick but not so hot on konz to the titans

The branch pick could be Gilmore too, I just went for Branch because there's better depth at CB in this draft than pass rusher, and the both the New England pass rushers are free agents. Possibly a bit high for Barron but there's not much the Lions could do their and Barron has top-20 talent. I like Konz myself and he fills a big need for the Titans and I don't think it's a reach at #20

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Post by twelve283 Fri 24 Feb 2012, 4:08 pm

NFL Combine News

Friday 24th Feb.
Measurements

Group 4 (QB, WR), Group 5 (QB, WR), Group 6 (RB)

So far we have:
Andrew Luck, 6'4, 238lbs
Robert Griffin III, 6'2, 223lbs < some speculation before the weigh-in that Griffin might have been closer to 6'0, 205lbs, puts that to rest.
Brock Osweiler, 6'6, 242lbs

Kendall Wright, 5'10, 188lbs


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Post by Colan (niner) Fri 24 Feb 2012, 4:10 pm

He is a good player just think they would find it hard to pass on wright or mercilus/perry if they are there

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Post by twelve283 Fri 24 Feb 2012, 6:26 pm

Brandon Weeden 6'4(6036), 221lbs
Ryan Tannehill 6'4(6041), 221lbs
Kirk Cousins 6'3(6025), 214lbs
Nick Foles 6'5(6045), 243lbs
BJ Coleman 6'3(6031), 233lbs
Russell Wilson 5'10(5107), 204lbs
Ryan Lindley 6'4(6036), 229lbs
Austin Davis 6'1(6014), 219lbs
Aaron Corp 6'4(6035), 215lbs
Chandler Harnish 6'1(6014), 219lbs
Kellen Moore 5'11(5116), 197lbs
Case Keenum 6'0(6006), 208lbs
Darron Thomas 6'2(6026), 220lbs
Jacory Harris 6'3(6031), 203lbs
Jordan Jefferson 6'3(6034), 223lbs
Patrick Witt 6'3(6034), 225lbs


Alshon Jeffery reportedly 6'3, 216lbs < good 40 time puts him in 1st round contention provided teams like what they see on tape, 33 inch arms and big hands
Justin Blackmon 6'1, 207lbs
Michael Floyd 6'3, 220lbs < good size + 33 inch arms
Mohamed Sanu 6'2, 211lbs
Reuben Randle 6'3, 210lbs
Stephen Hill 6'4, 215lbs
Greg Childs 6'3, 219lbs < WR out of Arkansas, struggled with injuries but I like him in the pros, good size, longest arms so far at 34 1/8 inch and big hands too
Jeff Fuller 6'4, 223lbs < good size, 33 and a bit inch arms, watch Junior video, potential late round pick
Dwight Jones 6'3, 230lbs < 34 inch arms


David Wilson 5'10, 206lbs
Lamar Miller 5'11, 212lbs
LaMichael James 5'08, 194lbs
Doug Martin 5'09, 223lbs

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Post by twelve283 Fri 24 Feb 2012, 7:33 pm

Latest on Justin Balckmon,

Aaron Wilson AKA Ravens Insider via twitter:
Justin blackmon said he isn't going to run at the combine will run next week at pro day
Blackmon measured in lighter than his listed weight by about 10lbs, speculation is that it was a speed grab for the 40. Oklahoma State has a notoriously "fast track".


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Post by crazy_dave23 Fri 24 Feb 2012, 8:17 pm

twelve283 wrote:Riley Reiff, 6'6, 313lbs, 33 1/4 arms < shorter than ideal arms for OT

Is it me or do all Iowa Tackles come out with questions over their arm size!

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Post by Colan (niner) Sat 25 Feb 2012, 2:18 pm

anyone else watching the combine live, cordy glenn just ran a sub 5.0 40 at 345lbs

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Post by crazy_dave23 Sat 25 Feb 2012, 4:04 pm

niner wrote:anyone else watching the combine live, cordy glenn just ran a sub 5.0 40 at 345lbs

Raw Speed is somewhat irrelevant for the OL, however that it pretty fast and will generally say something about his athleticism versus the rest of the prospects which will help his draft stock more than the time itself.

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Post by Colan (niner) Sat 25 Feb 2012, 4:32 pm

the bench press and 10 yard split are obviously more imprtant but Its pretty amazing to see a guy that big run that fast

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Post by twelve283 Sat 25 Feb 2012, 5:41 pm

crazy_dave23 wrote:
Is it me or do all Iowa Tackles come out with questions over their arm size!
Very Happy It's not going to hurt him, just an observation. He's got versatility anyway.

niner wrote:anyone else watching the combine live, cordy glenn just ran a sub 5.0 40 at 345lbs
The NFLN coverage is pretty poor, i'm just listning to the interviews and select drills. Mike Lombardi with some excellent stuff and Orson Charles spoke well.

Saturday 25th Feb.

Measurements
Group 7 (DL), Group 8 (DL), Group 9 (LB)

Andre Branch 6'4, 259lbs, 34 inch arms
Chandler Jones 6'5, 266lbs, 35 1/2 inch arms < wow! Aldon Smith type numbers.
Shea McClellin 6'3, 260lbs, 33 inch arms < up from 248lbs at the Senior Bowl. 260lbs is closer to his playing weight at Boise State.
Whitney Mercilus 6'4, 261lbs, 34 inch arms
Nick Perry 6'3, 271lbs, 33 inch arms < if Perry runs in the low 4.6s like he expects to and looks good in LB drills, watch out.

Michael Brockers 6'6, 322lbs with 35 inch arms < OMG OMG OMG heart

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Post by twelve283 Sat 25 Feb 2012, 5:44 pm

I'm going to put up a new top 32 big board after the Combine, i've done a lot more work on the underclassmen now.

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Post by crazy_dave23 Sat 25 Feb 2012, 7:00 pm

twelve283 wrote:I'm going to put up a new top 32 big board after the Combine, i've done a lot more work on the underclassmen now.

Will look forward to it. You have been putting out some good stuff considering I haven't really got the time to pay massive amounts of attention to the combine

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Post by twelve283 Sat 25 Feb 2012, 9:10 pm

crazy_dave23 wrote:
twelve283 wrote:I'm going to put up a new top 32 big board after the Combine, i've done a lot more work on the underclassmen now.

Will look forward to it. You have been putting out some good stuff considering I haven't really got the time to pay massive amounts of attention to the combine
You're not alone, I haven't been paying as much attention this year either, just watching select drills which are relevant to various positions and listning to interviews really. As I said Mike Lombardi was good and if I get a chance I'll try and summarize some of the stuff he said for anyone who missed it and is interested.

A very brief breakdown of Combine results so far,

Tight Ends

Ladarius Green measured in at 6’6, 238lbs with 34 ½ inch arms, the longest arms of any TE, and the biggest hands. He ran a 4.53 in the 40 and, like I said, can be considered as a big WR. He had a 34.5 inch vertical. Only had 16 reps in the bench press, long arms often suggested as reason for poor bench results, not an in line TE anyway.

The fastest 40 time (4.49) was run by Oklahoma’s James Hanna who measured in at 6’4, 252lbs. He also had a 36 inch vertical and 24 reps in the bench press.

Michael Egnew out of Missouri ran a solid 4.62 in the 40 at 6’5, 252lbs. He had a 36 inch vertical and 21 reps in the bench press.

Dwayne Allen ran a disappointing 4.89 in the 40 yard dash at 6’3, 255lbs. He did have 27 reps in the bench press but only a 32 inch vertical. Perhaps not quite as athletic as people thought?

Orson Charles and Coby Fleener both elected not to participate today for different reasons. Charles measured in at 6’2, 251lbs and had 35 reps in the bench press which was the most of any TE. His 32 inch arms might hurt him as an in line guy but there is some potential there, comes out of a Georgia offense with pro concepts. Fleener measured in at 6’6, 247lbs and had 27 reps in the bench press, had longer arms at 33 inch and big hands as well. I was slightly disappointed he didn’t top 250lbs, he played lighter than that in college but it would be nice to see him run at closer to 255lbs at his pro day.

OL

OT Matt Kalil measured in at 6’7, 306lbs with 34 ½ inch arms. He ran the 40 yard dash in the second best time among OL at 4.99 and also had the second best time in the 3 cone at 7.33; he also had an impressive 30 reps in the bench press. He’s added ~10lbs and seems to be solidifying his place as the #1 OT.

Another OT with an impressive frame was Mike Adams, he measured in at 6’7, 323lbs with 34 inch arms. A lot is being made of his poor 19 reps in the bench press, but it doesn’t concern me too much, Nate Solder only had 21 reps last year. Adams might need to work on his strength in the pros however. He had an average at best 3 cone as well and everyone is basically freaking out but as Mike Lombardi said this AM, OL is a position you primarily evaluate off the tape. It might be worth looking at the videos again.

Cordy Glenn measured in at 6’5, 345lbs with almost 36 inch arms! A 5.15 in the 40 is an impressive time for a guy who weighs 345lbs. Also impressive was his 31 reps in the bench press. Did not have as good 3 cone time (8.13).

David DeCastro measured in at 6’5, 316lbs and has been very impressive with 34 reps I the bench press and a 7.30 time in the 3 cone drill. Can you say top 10?

Philip Blake OC out of Baylor, 6'2, 311lbs with 33 inch arms didn't have any stand out times but looked good in drills and Mike Mayock said he thought Blake helped himself today.


DL measurements (official):

Michael Brockers, 6’6, 322lbs, 35 inch arms < he’s got a great chance to go top 10. heart
Quinton Coples, 6’6, 284lbs, 33 inch arms
Fletcher Cox, 6’4, 298lbs, 34 ½ inch arms < long arms potential 34 DE is some schemes
Jared Crick, 6’4, 279lbs, 32 inch arms < light and short arms, don’t know what to make of him, injury concerns thumbsdown
Akiem Hicks, 6’5, 318lbs, 35 inch arms < great size and length
Shea McClellin, 6’3, 260lbs, 33 inch arms
Chandler Jones, 6’5, 266lbs, 35 ½ inch arms < Aldon Smith type numbers, drills will be interesting
Nick Perry, 6’3, 271lbs, 33 inch arms
Dontari Poe, 6’4, 346lbs, 32 inch arms
Devon Still, 6’5, 303lbs, 33 inch arms < versatile
Alameda Ta’amu, 6’3, 348lbs, 32 inch arms < 34 NT

LB
Courtney Upshaw, 6’2, 270lbs, 32 inch arms
James Michael-Johnson, 6’1, 243lbs, 33 inch arms < dropped weight for Senior Bowl
Vontaze Burfict, 6’1, 248lbs, 31 inch arms
Donta Hightower, 6’2, 265lbs, 33 inch arms

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Post by twelve283 Sun 26 Feb 2012, 1:55 pm

Combine Notes/Buzz OL

Cordy GlennPotential to play at RT, you would trial him at tackle and if it doesn’t work out he’s got the versatility to play guard as a fall back option. Versatility only increases a players stock.

Kevin ZeitlerComes from a Wisconsin team which produces ++OL, not an elite player but he will have been well coached and could probably start early on. I’ve been high on him all year and Greg Cosell remarked yesterday on NFLN that Zeitler was his #2 guard. He measured in at 6’4, 314lbs with 33 inch arms. 32 reps in the bench press, second highest among guards after David DeCastro.

Riley ReiffFrom Wes Bunting via twitter
There are some concerns with the overall body type of #Iowa OT Riley Reiff...not real broad through shoulders or thick through lower half.
This is interesting because I felt the same way, thought he looked sloppy and un-athletic, not built like some of the other linemen.

Rishaw JohnsonFrom Draft Insider
Sources have told us several red flags have been raised on offensive lineman Rishaw Johnson. His past off the field transgressions have been well documented but we’ve been alerted to a situation during the Shrine Game where Johnson’s roommate demanded to be moved to a different room after several situations occurred involving the Cal-Pa offensive lineman.
At the Combine he had coaches repeatedly explaining how to finish drills.

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has an interesting article where he gets the scouts take on a selection of prospects: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/draft-outlook-es4aae2-140451293.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

I've picked out a couple of quotes which I think are interesting,

On Riley Reiff
This guy can pass block better than Bulaga, and I like Bulaga a lot,

On Andrew Luck
He can't carry the team on his shoulders, but he's a really good manager. His arm isn't even close to Aaron Rodgers' and he doesn't have Aaron's feet. He's smart, competitive, tough. His teammates love him. The media has put so much pressure on this kid. It's unbelievable. They've basically anointed him Jesus Christ.

One scout on Robert Griffin III
He's just running around winging it. He has no idea how to play quarterback. He's got no vision. He's got no accuracy. No touch. Anything you look for in an NFL quarterback, he doesn't have it. You want him to run around and throw the ball and just keep running, he can do that. He's (Michael) Vick, but not as good a thrower.

One scout on Quinton Coples
He will go in the first, but he scares me. There's a lot of things that I don't trust about those (North Carolina) guys.

Quote related to Morris Claiborne and Dre Kirkpatrick
Claiborne's upside isn't as big as Kirkpatrick's
I heart Kirkpatrick

Melvin Ingram
I don't know where you play him

One scout on Courtney Upshaw
He's a good, tough, nasty college football player that I think will get blocked a lot in the NFL.
Agree, good player but i'm struggling to see a fit where he can make a really big impact.

Rueben Randle
He had Jordan Jefferson and Jarrett Lee. He's a very good athlete trapped in a very poor passing attack.
Randle intrigues me.

Jonathan Martin
Definitely has to get stronger. The guy from USC (Nick Perry) wore him out. That's what bothers me.
Agree, personally I think he's slightly overrated at this point.

Bobbie Massey
Nobody knows who he is, but he's going to rise up the charts
I know who he is. Wink

Cordy Glenn
He has ability but he's got to watch his weight. He's got talent, but in the Senior Bowl I thought he looked bad at guard. He waist-bends
He does waist bend a lot, was on display in the drills the other day, seems to get away with it though.

Zach Brown
In the Senior Bowl he was physical. That's the first time I ever saw that. He (usually) runs around blocks.
Not physical enough for me, needs to add that dimension to his game to be considered 1st round IMO.

There's tons of other good stuff in the article, read it NOW! Very Happy



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Post by twelve283 Sun 26 Feb 2012, 2:39 pm

Stephen Hill just ran a 4.3u flat on his 1st attempt. 4.31u on his second attempt Shocked
Michael Floyd ran a very good 4.42u and 4.44u.
Juron Criner much slower at 4.63u and 4.59u.

Jamie Dukes hurts my ears.

Stephen Hill is having a very good combine to this point, 4.3u in the 40 yard dash, looked very good in the gauntlet, catches away from body, soft hands, really nice diving catch on the go route drill, quick, good adjustments to throws.

Michael Floyd looks good for the most part, low 4.4su in the 40 yard dash which is what he needed, very good speed for his size, looked good in the gauntlet, caught almost everything including a couple of low passes, looked a little tight turning the corner in the deep in route drill.

Chris Givens is another guy who looked good, very fast in the 40, high 4.3su, excellent gauntlet drill, good hands, looked quick round the corner in route drills.

Blackmon was good in drills, except when he let a pass get into his body which he dropped, made a good adjustment and catch on the roll out drill.


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Post by TheBrownTown Sun 26 Feb 2012, 4:10 pm

You reckon Hill will go in the first round now? 49ers and Patriots could be options?

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Post by Colan (niner) Sun 26 Feb 2012, 4:24 pm

i had him as the niners 2nd rounder in my mock, could be the 30 pick now

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Post by twelve283 Sun 26 Feb 2012, 4:28 pm

TheBrownTown wrote:You reckon Hill will go in the first round now? 49ers and Patriots could be options?
He's made himself some money so far today no doubt, he's only helped himself. I think he can go in round 1, it's going to come down to how each team views him, interviews, what they see on film. When you watch him you can see he's got the physical tools, big, strong, fast(didn't think he was quite that fast) but the GT offense limits what you can take away about the other aspects of his game, route running, adjustments/reading the defense. He just didn't get the chance to demonstrate these things on a consistent basis at GT, that's the difficulty when evaluating him.

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Post by twelve283 Sun 26 Feb 2012, 4:43 pm

Chris Owusu with a 4.31u on his 1st 40 attempt, like Owusu, tidy player but unfortunately he's got concussion issues.

Mohamed Sanu, slow with a 4.65u 1st attempt.

Tommy Streeter with a 4.34u ist attempt in the 40 yard dash.

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