2017 Lions coach front runners

Long way to go but who would do the job?

Cotter  

Lancaster for me,he showed how to beat NZ.

 Wallace Arnold

Paul O'Connell? Could be an established coach in 4 years.

Coleman wrote:Paul O'Connell? Could be an established coach in 4 years.

Very true, with BillyWhizz as attack coach.

Four years is a really long time. There will be all sorts of happenings by then. I guess the fair money would be on either Gats or Lancs. But i think we'd all like to see Paul involved in some way.

Coleman wrote:Paul O'Connell? Could be an established coach in 4 years.

Or along similar lines O'Driscoll? Imagine the potential story line there having had his tour of New Zealand cut short in '05, having had his "Lions swansong" snatched from him by a New Zealand coach (tongue firmly in cheek here) reurning as coach of a Lions tour to win in NZ. Unlikely yes but would be one hell of a script.

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Lancaster for  me,he showed how to beat NZ.

Not a bad shout with Lancaster,

There weren't many candidates this time around with Lancaster being new and Kidney and Robinson both sacked.

In four years Lancaster could well be the coach

But there is a lot of time - Schmitt could come good, Howley could be in charge of Wales (I hope not) and has Lions pedigree.

Or it could be Gatland again...you never know.

 Dai Young & Connor O'Shea alongside Wallace Arnold

Personally i would prefer if it wasn't a current home nations coach

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Lancaster for  me,he showed how to beat NZ.

Spot on!

Give them all a dose of Novo Virus and job done!

Seagultaf wrote:

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Lancaster for  me,he showed how to beat NZ.

Spot on!

Give them all a dose of Novo Virus and job done!

         

O'Gara  

ANDY FRARRELL

I would love it to be johnno

majesticimperialman wrote:ANDY FRARRELL

Could easily be

I hope if Townsend continues with Glasgow as he is he'll be involved to some degree.

I hope it is a person from the Home Nations and perferably not in a current job.

Its left feild and many wont like it but Martin Johnson with BOD as backs and POC as forwards.

Think Lancaster would be like Woodward in 2005 or other times head coaches coach.

I would hope that in 2017 we can get a series win against someone who isn't Aus

Brendan wrote:

Its left feild and many wont like it but Martin Johnson with BOD as backs and POC as forwards.

and ROG as kicking  

Not so sure about Johnson, I think they need someone currently involved with the game, and against the All Blacks they will need a good strategic thinker.

At the moment, only Gatland and Lancaster are really qualified enough to coach the Lions, and there are still question marks over Lancaster. Perhaps a successful club coach like Schmitt could do the job - but there aren't many in the home nations.

I think the selection of a home nations coach has not really brought the fans together. A neutral coach would be my choice. Give Geech another go?

Let Rowntree take on the head job? Maybe even Matty O'Connor if he's successful at Leinster. Geordan Murphy has recently taken up coaching (player/coach this season, full time coach next season) and is widely respected, depending on how he progresses he could be an outside bet.

Not sure BOD or POC will have enough experience in time for NZ.

Think Lancaster would be like Woodward in 2005 or other times head coaches coach.

You mean you would like a coach like Warren Gatland who selected mainly Welsh player's then?  

 I think he means he'd like a coach like Gatland who has the kahunas to pick the best players Maj

Perhaps Gatland with 10 of his Chiefs players might beat the Lions?

Funny no-one really favoured Warren Gatland in this thread but he has apparently said he would consider giving it another go if the offer happened to come up.

The Lions 2013 posts are still warm in the oven and the 2017 Lions have already been put in. Dear God, will we ever escape these threads?  

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:The Lions 2013 posts are still warm in the oven and the 2017 Lions have already been put in. Dear God, will we ever escape these threads?  

 I want this man's post hoisted on a pole and worshipped!  

... Christian Wade for 2025 coach though.

Rugby Fan wrote:Funny no-one really favoured Warren Gatland in this thread but he has apparently said he would consider giving it another go if the offer happened to come up.

Because Warren isn't likely to be about. I doubt he will stay in the NH after 2015, he has been away from his family for too long already. I guess if he has to do a stint in Super Rugby before applying for the NZ job, he could step up to the Lions again and look for the NZ job after that.

SecretFly wrote:... Christian Wade for 2025 coach though.

Not many winger coaches out there.

PSA for France. Debatable whether he's a real coach though.  

John Kirwan.

Not to mention those coaches who seem to be winging it rather than having any effective, coherent plan.  

wales606 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:... Christian Wade for 2025 coach though.

Not many winger coaches out there.

He'll be an Lock veteran by then. He's still growing,

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:John Kirwan.

Nice gesture Kia but I think JK needs to soak up the NZ scene a bit more. I'd see him working with Rennie as attack coach first and maybe slip into the role sideways in the way Hansen did.

I think Gatlands handling of the idiots over the last week will put him in a better light than the actual win- shades of Henry underplaying the matter for the sake of all things good.

Would we really want Gatland to coach the lions against the all blacks?

Why would we change the head coach...?

Let's see what side is pushing hardest in the lead in to 2017?

It's a criteria that seemed to do the business this time? If it's an honour given to a top performing head coach this time round then I don't see why that shouldn't be the audition next time.

Anyway, by that time Warren Gatland might very well be on his second stint as Head coach for a Lions series.... as All Blacks head coach.

maestegmafia wrote:Why would we change the head coach...?

and a winning coach not afraid to drop clapped out players.

glamorganalun wrote:

Why would we change the head coach...?

and a winning coach not afraid to drop clapped out players.

Gatland will probably not be available.

Oh and comments like that make me regret trying to defend you on other threads.

Afraid to drop clapped out players or playing the tactics the world and his dog said he should have used in the second test? The French ref helped us massively and the epic tight five effort helped overlook the massive error in selecting Phillips and the dropping of BOD who would have surely thrived with European break down laws.

 "the massive error in selecting Phillips and the dropping of BOD"

You've gotta love this stuff I can only think the 30-3 drubbing is still hurting

Yesterday Gatlands errors resulted in a 41-16 victory, a record for the Lions - You've just got to love this stuff on here

 

No the change in game plan by Garland and the bulk of his selections plus the NH referee resulted in a comprehensive Lions win. Doesn't mean Gatland was faultless and that all of his selections were correct. Just look at Phillips inability to execute a simple box kick properly.

Got to think that his decision to go out and play attacking rugby was the big call he got completely right. Another game of the negative tactics we saw in the first and second tests would have been the easy option and if we did that we would have lost.

RubyGuby wrote: "the massive error in selecting Phillips and the dropping of BOD"

You've gotta love this stuff I can only think the 30-3 drubbing is still hurting  

Yesterday Gatlands errors resulted in a 41-16 victory, a record for the Lions - You've just got to love this stuff on here

 

Ruby,
But
But
But
The Lions onslaught in the second half only started after Connor Murrary went on for Philipps.

Sam,
In your opinion how did having Poite as a ref give some advantage to the Lions? No one from either team could understand heeees Eeeeenglish.

  "The Lions onslaught in the second half only started after Connor Murrary went on for Philipps"

Are you new to rugby mate - Let me let you in on something, when a team have been battered for 60 mins then gaps start to appear and players look to exploit those gaps. It's laughable on here with a few talking about the changes that made a difference, laughable
1/2 p saw the gaps appear in the last 20 and he exploited them, Murray put Roberts into space with ease and set him up for a simple try in a similar fashion that Phillips did for Corbs - You might have missed that one with your selective attention.

Do you think SOB and Hibbard went off 'cos they were playing bad. The english press today are talking about the physical pressure Phillips absorbs and how he never gets turned over and always makes the ball available. Murray came on to a team in the ascendency and had an armchair ride - he did well when he came on

Ruby, 60 mins of rugby takes the same toll from each team - you get a physical superiority only if you don't have a bench.

Apart from anything else, wasn't Australia down to 14 men when Ben Alexander was carded when Phillips was on. Phillips had the same armchair ride that Murray had.

For the record - Murray doesn't get turned over either.

Oh, and the English press positive comments about Phillips - they wouldn't be from Welsh columnists would they?

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Long way to go but who would do the job?

the next coaching team will have no affiliation with any of the national sides, in an attempt by the Home unions committee to appease those fans who felt the selections were "jobs for the boys".

Knowing that it is impossible to keep everyone happy, they will instead make everyone miserable. Thus we will see:

Head Coach - Andy Robinson
Forwards Coach - Phil Davies
Backs Coach - Michael Bradley


Tour Manager - Sir Clive Woodward

 

RubyGuby wrote:  "The Lions onslaught in the second half only started after Connor Murrary went on for Philipps"

Are you new to rugby mate - Let me let you in on something, when a team have been battered for 60 mins then gaps start to appear and players look to exploit those gaps. It's laughable on here with a few talking about the changes that made a difference, laughable
1/2 p saw the gaps appear in the last 20 and he exploited them, Murray put Roberts into space with ease and set him up for a simple try in a similar fashion that Phillips did for Corbs - You might have missed that one with your selective attention.

Do you think SOB and Hibbard went off 'cos they were playing bad. The english press today are talking about the physical pressure Phillips absorbs and how he never gets turned over and always makes the ball available. Murray came on to a team in the ascendency and had an armchair ride - he did well when he came on

Ruby, I arrived in Sao Paulo this morning so I haven't seen any English language papers.  They do have a Spanish language paper from Arg, and they give Murray a lot of credit.  But what do newspapermen from a country of obstreporous Props know about Rugby?   I am only having a laugh with you, mate. C'mon, man.  

I don't think I am so new to Rugby.  Nor are you.  I've never slated the Welsh make up of the Lions.  But I have disagreed with some selections, same as everyone.  Philipps who I have never rated too highly, and who I think was not terrbily terribly good yesterday, seems to be one of those lightning rod players who polarizes opinions.  Not much middle ground when talking about him.  I also never wanted Parling in the squad.  I was very happy AWJ was captain, and I thought he was great.  Always talking to the team, in some cases appeard too be giving direction, others encouragement.

 Sin e - You have to let go of that try he stole against you in Cardiff a few years ago - Murray's a junior Iron Mike with a bit less iron - Maybe one day he'll step up - until now he's an understudy who was struggling to hold down is Irish jersey last season

Conor O Shea for me!!

Knows English and Irish games inside out. And from his time as a pundit on RTE , a fair and intelligent judge of six nations rugby.

Think

O'Shea - Coach
Schmidt or Townsend - Backs
Lancaster or Johnson  -Forwards
Farrell -Defence
O Gara - Kicking